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Pollster and author Stanley Greenberg has written a book about the death of the Republican Party titled, "R.I.P. G.O.P." Stephanie Mencimer wrote a review of it in the latest edition of the Washington Monthly.

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A critical part of this movement for Republicans was to become... the "post-truth party."

Republicans thus talk about "taxes" and "spending" and "regulation" in the abstract, since Americans oppose them in the abstract even as they support their specific manifestations. They talk about cutting the deficit even as they slash taxes on the rich and launch unfunded wars. They talk about free markets even as they subsidize fossil fuels. They talk about American exceptionalism even as they protect fossil-fuel incumbents and fight research and infrastructure investments. In short, Republicans have mastered post-truth politics. They've realized that their rhetoric doesn't have to bear any connection to their policy agenda.

The success of their "post-truth politics" depended on "using racism to sweeten the deal." In order to justify their total obstruction against Obama"even during the height of the Great Recession"narratives flourished about how the president was not really American, didn't love his country, hated white people, and was probably a secret Muslim. Right wing media carried the ball on most of those accusations, while Republican politicians simply looked the other way.

On the other hand, it should come as no surprise that Donald Trump launched himself onto the national political stage by embracing birtherism. His eventual campaign was a hodgepodge of policy proposals, which he has mostly abandoned, while the racism remains.

As a result, the conservative policy agenda at this point means that migrant children are dying in cages, black voters are being purged from voter rolls by the thousands, Native lands are being plundered for oil infrastructure, and black mothers are losing their lives and babies because adequate health care is out of reach.

That is precisely why Mitch McConnell is happy to embrace the idea of being the "grim reaper." He has no policy agenda, which is the ultimate conclusion for a party that has been built of the idea that "government isn't the solution, it's the problem." Heading towards the moment that white people become a minority in this country, the Republicans have positioned themselves such that, if they abandon racism, they have nothing.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-06 03:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I think you've got that backwards, Tony.

Snoofy will be along soon to prove it, since you put his trigger word in the title.

#2 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-09-06 03:59 PM | Reply

Great post Tony! Nancy LeTourneau absolutely did nail it!

#3 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-06 04:04 PM | Reply

If the Democrats Abandons Racial Grievance Mongering, They Have Nothing

#4 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-06 04:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"If the Democrats Abandons Racial Grievance Mongering, They Have Nothing"

Medicare for All
Green New Deal
Income inequality
Protecting SS & Medicare from Republicans
Many other things.

#5 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-06 04:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

That's funny considering how racist the left is.
drudge.com

#6 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2019-09-06 04:29 PM | Reply

We've had this argument many times here. To what degree the GOP embraces racism and racists themselves, at this point, it's not a losing strategy.

Until the GOP views it as a real liability, they will continue to do what they are doing....to whatever degree they are doing it.

Articles like the one Tony posted aren't going to shame them into worrying night and day about the accusation. Hell, we have a president who truly embraces the accusation.

This, BTW, is how you get moderate republicans who could be convinced to switch or stay home on election day to stay firmly with the GOP......because they just love being called a racist.

#7 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-06 04:44 PM | Reply

Medicare for All
Green New Deal
Income inequality
Protecting SS & Medicare from Republicans
Many other things.
#5 | Posted by danni

Where is all that money coming from ddan? How is our military going to function without fuel for the planes? Where is all the plastic going to come from you use everyday in your thoughtless life?

#8 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-09-06 04:47 PM | Reply

Medicare for All
Green New Deal
Income inequality
Protecting SS & Medicare from Republicans
Many other things.

You listed those as if the democrats "have" those things.

do they? How do they "have them"?

do you have any of that? Has the democratic party placed any of that in your hands?

#9 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-06 04:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#5

You forgot Unicorns.

#10 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-06 05:39 PM | Reply

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--Medicare for All
Green New Deal
Income inequality
Protecting SS & Medicare from Republicans"

No one cares about the "New Green Scream"

CNN put on a townhall on it and there were more people on stage than in the television audience.

No one cared to make a retort thread about it--even though it was a presidential candidate forum--because everyone knows it's a ridiculous fraud and embarrassment.

#11 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-06 05:45 PM | Reply

That's funny considering how racist the left is.
drudge.com

#6 | POSTED BY comrade sir Gracie
That's so ironic coming from a racist (R)tarded Trump supporter.
The hypocrisy of you and your kind knows no bounds.

#12 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-09-06 06:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This, BTW, is how you get moderate republicans who could be convinced to switch or stay home on election day to stay firmly with the GOP......because they just love being called a racist.

If you bothered to actually read the article it was written because multiple REPUBLICANS/CONSERVATIVES were the ones recognizing and articulating on this topic while other authors compiled their complaints.

PS: Over 4 million black Americans that voted in 2012 did not vote in 2016. And as 2018 showed as a precursor, that is unlikely to happen again even with voter suppression and registration purges. The Democrats don't need to bend over backward to appeal to Trump voters. Trump has already convinced many of them to never vote for him again without any help from the Democrats at all.

#13 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-06 07:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This is actually very true - but not for the reasons the author thinks. It does explain the liberal mindset nicely. For them, EVERYTHING is racist. Have a good job - RACIST! Graduated from school - RACIST. Go to church - RACIST. Don't want to abort your kids - RACIST. Want to protect our border - RACIST.

That is why the Dems have shed the working class people. They are sick and tired of being called a racist when all they are doing is working hard and trying to raise their families in safe neighborhoods and functioning schools. I said it before and I will say it again, Trump will win 2020 in a landslide by taking 25%+ of the black vote. It will make Liberal heads explode - they will think they are trapped in a Chappelle Show skit.

#14 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-06 10:28 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

But in 2008 the proggies were dancing in the streets proclaiming the GOP was dead then. On this very blog folks like corky and his ilk were saying the GOP was dead, or at best have lost all control of congress and the WH for 40 years.

But 2 yeas later the GOP took back the HoR in almost unprecedented numbers. Two years after that, they got congress. They did retain the WH, but with 3 fewer states than in 2008.

Is the GOP like a cat with multiple lives? If so, what is this one? #2? Or is this just again wishful and boastful thinking? Perhaps you guys shouldn't be so cocky and making these bizarre predictions.

Just sayin'....

#15 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-06 10:42 PM | Reply

"Is the GOP like a cat with multiple lives? If so, what is this one? #2? Or is this just again wishful and boastful thinking? Perhaps you guys shouldn't be so cocky and making these bizarre predictions.
#15 | POSTED BY GOATMAN "

The Dem miscalculation was that racial, gender, and sexual identity would be the sole determining factor for people's votes. They think the fact someone is black earns their vote automatically - not policies like having functioning schools, better employment, or criminal justice reform. They think just because someone has a vagina is enough to earn their vote too (they even said as much during Clinton's run). They never stopped to consider that maybe these women care more about the future of their children - jobs, education, safety - than just voting for a woman because they were a woman. You saw this divide in 2016 - married women supported Trump over Hillary. We are even seeing it in the gay community - check out #walkwaway.

The problem with the Dems is not the lack of ideas, it is that the ideas they put forward are not supported by a majority of Americans and just sharing a skin color or gender is not enough to get these people to support policies counter to what really matters to them.

#16 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-06 10:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

It does explain the liberal mindset nicely.

The topic of this thread was generated by Republicans/Conservatives, not liberals. Liberals are merely commenting upon the topic dynamics set forth by these authors identifying what they themselves are seeing inside the conservative movement:

Four Things That Are Not White Nationalism - Conservatism's racism problem is real. So is a pattern of media smears against non-racist conservatives. - By Ross Douthat

The American right in the Trump era has a racism problem. It's fed by a Republican president who race-baits, a media ecosystem whose guardrails have collapsed, the lure of far-right ideas after various center-right failures and the influence of toxic forms of internet community on impressionable minds.

At the same time, the American right in the Trump era faces a liberalism that's eager to discover and condemn racism where it does not actually exist.

It's time to create a conservative ecosystem that doesn't welcome racists - by Timothy P. Carney

Liberal commentators will always say conservatives are just a bunch of racists. This is a lie. But conservatives need to do a better job convincing the racists that it's a lie.

It's always ironic that even when criticism comes from your own ideological side the knee jerk reflex is to dismiss reality and to blame the others for what you fail to see amongst yourselves. From Lee Atwater to today's immigration policy implementation to the use of simple language cues, history doesn't lie. I don't know how people know where racism isn't when they are blind to where racism unmistakably exists.

#17 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-06 11:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#17 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

I don't care which political party the author wants to align themselves with - saying that Trump is a racist or race-baiting is fundamentally wrong. There are many Never Trumpers that have been saying this going back to 2015. The only way they can justify this stupid notion is to re-define what racism means to align with with liberal narrative.

So, no - I am not wiling to do that. Wanting a border wall is not racist - it is nationalist. Wanting functioning schools is not racist - it is common sense. Same goes for jobs.

If you want to state Trump is a racist, state what he has said/done that is actually racist per the definition of racism that was used by a majority of people up until 2016, at which time the progressives became insane.

#18 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-06 11:08 PM | Reply

"saying that Trump is a racist or race-baiting is fundamentally wrong."

Pocahontas.

drops mic.

#19 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-09-06 11:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Let me clarify: Of course the new title and synopsis that RCade promoted does indeed speak more to outside critique of conservatives. My original focus of the title and the synopsis was tied to the conservative critique of racists inside their party, not generalized "liberal" complaints of same and both authors quoted duly complain of liberal overuse of the accusation aimed at conservatives.

But they both address the factual realities as they see them and what truly non-racists inside the conservative movement need to do and understand in order to eject those who indeed are racists.

#20 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-06 11:11 PM | Reply

"Pocahontas.
#19 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE "

Calling a fake Native American Pocahontas is no more racist than calling the white suburban kid with sagging pants and blasting rap music a whigger is racist.

At least the white kid didn't steal a job from a more deserving candidate by actually claiming to be something he was not.

Try again.

#21 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-06 11:13 PM | Reply

"#19 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE "

#21 | POSTED BY IRAGOLDBERG "

Careful or you'll end up on his stalk list as I am.

#22 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-06 11:15 PM | Reply

"But they both address the factual realities as they see them and what truly non-racists inside the conservative movement need to do and understand in order to eject those who indeed are racists.
#20 | POSTED BY TONYROMA"

No, what is happening is that the GOP old-guard made up of religious nutjobs (like Romney and Utah), globalists, and Neocons have realized that working people have taken over their party based upon the appeal of Trump - and they don't like it. They don't like these dirty working class people that don't embrace having their jobs sent to China or want FIRE to continue to grow as a % of GDP. They want to bring back the old GOP, where they have power and influence and the party worked to advance their self-interests. Sorry, that party is gone. The Neocons are democrats again - along with the globalists and the top 0.00001% of the country. Good riddance.

#23 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-06 11:18 PM | Reply

--No, what is happening is that the GOP old-guard made up of religious nutjobs (like Romney and Utah), globalists, and Neocons

Chamber of Commerce, jeb bush, john kasich republicans. Sell out globalists, neo cons, and amnesty and open-borders zealots.

#24 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-06 11:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

PS: Over 4 million black Americans that voted in 2012 did not vote in 2016. And as 2018 showed as a precursor, that is unlikely to happen again even with voter suppression and registration purges.
#13 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

"Over 4 million black Americans [..] did not vote in 2016"

They no longer believe the BS. Baltimore knows it's a sh*thole country.

Schizophrenics and addicts living under bridges. what a failure.

#25 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-09-06 11:24 PM | Reply

"drops mic.

#19 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE"

Nothing screams insecurity and low self esteem than a self declared victory.

"A mic drop is the gesture of intentionally dropping one's microphone at the end of a performance or speech to signal triumph. Figuratively, it is an expression of triumph for a successful event and indicates a boastful attitude toward one's own performance."

en.wikipedia.org

Go buy yourself a trophy and cuddle up with it.

#26 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-06 11:32 PM | Reply

"working people have taken over their party based upon the appeal of Trump "

Trump has taken over their party.
"Dirty working class people" have no sway over Trump's agenda.
Kim Kardashian does though.

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-06 11:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Democrats don't need to bend over backward to appeal to Trump voters. Trump has already convinced many of them to never vote for him again without any help from the Democrats at all."

You wish it was that simple but it isn't.

You think you have a handle on voter behavior?

You don't. As you pointed out, 4 million blacks stayed home in 2016

That was AFTER trump was successfully labeled a racist.

#28 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-06 11:39 PM | Reply

"It's time to create a conservative ecosystem that doesn't welcome racists."

Frankly, I don't think such a thing is possible for today's GOP.

The reason it's not possible is the current conservative ecosystem is a direct result of GOP outreach to evangelical Christians in the 80s, who at the time still officially believed things like black skin is the Mark of Cain. As a result, racism is baked-in at this point.

"The Mark of Cain is an old American religious belief-cum-serving of eugenicist woo that creates the foundation of American religious-based racism and also, subtly, the entire creationist movement."

"The Southern Baptist Convention did not formally renounce its racist past until 1995." rationalwiki.org

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-06 11:42 PM | Reply

"But they both address the factual realities as they see them and what truly non-racists inside the conservative movement need to do and understand in order to eject those who indeed are racists."

Jesus H Christ, you will never understand.

The non-racist in the GOP aren't going to expel or reject the actual racists. Their plan has been and will be to continue to pander to them

When the GOP starts losing national elections because of the racists then maybe perhaps you'll see an effort to expel the racists.

But until it starts actually costing them elections........you're on crack to believe any of the tripe you posted.

Dumb ----- like you continue to believe that you can shame the GOP with this schitt

#30 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-06 11:43 PM | Reply

"Dumb ----- like you continue to believe that you can shame the GOP with this schitt."

Clearly they have no shame.
Do you have any ideas on how to get the GOP to stop being racist, Eberly?

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-06 11:45 PM | Reply

"As you pointed out, 4 million blacks stayed home in 2016
That was AFTER trump was successfully labeled a racist.
#28 | POSTED BY EBERLY"

The problem for the Dems is that this is not even the right number set. Black voter turnout was down like 700K from 2012. The 4M number assumes ALL eligible voters...it is nonsensical to use given historical voter turnout numbers.

As for 2020, black turnout will likely be the same but with that 25% going Trump. It may go up a bit or down a bit based on candidate, but right now the 2 most likely candidates are Warren and Biden.

As for Biden, I predicted from the start that he doesn't have the physical or mental abilities to make it to the nomination. That is becoming clearer every day.

As for Warren - she inspires less than Hillary. Black people have a keen sense for spotting inauthentic behavior. Warren's Fake Native American stunt will doom her with black voters (which is why they split Biden/Bernie currently). Her stealing a job using her fake background is exactly what blacks despise most - that is the systematic racism at its finest. Warren claiming it did not help her at Harvard may play well with the SJW crowd, it is not going to fly with the African American crowd that know better.

Lastly, voting Trump 2016 was a gamble. They were told Trump would start a nuclear war and tank the economy. They were told he would just sell them out and didn't care about the border, trade, or jobs. Trump is now a known commodity and his record speaks for itself - highest black employment EVER. Increasing wages and criminal justice reform.

What does Warren offer? What has she ever actually accomplished outside of pretending to be Native American? Did she ever create a job? No. Did she start a company? No. All she did was say the banks are evil...and now she goes to them with hat in hand for campaign money.

Trump 2020 Landslide. KAG!

#32 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-06 11:55 PM | Reply

You don't. As you pointed out, 4 million blacks stayed home in 2016

That was AFTER trump was successfully labeled a racist.

#28 | Posted by eberly

That became most glaring in the aftermath of Charleston, post-election.

#33 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-07 12:03 AM | Reply

"Their plan has been and will be to continue to pander to them
#30 | POSTED BY EBERLY"

The GOP does not pander to racists. Stop with this nonsense because it makes you look stupid. As it happens, Trump's policies of stopping illegal immigration, bringing back manufacturing jobs, no more wars (for Israel or anyone else), and having safe communities and better schools appeals to racists just like it appeals to most thinking people.

If Trump wanted to pander to white racists - would he defund Planned Parenthood so it would stop killing so many black babies?

#34 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-07 12:46 AM | Reply

One can understand how people thought Trump's racism was relatively innocuous; the sort of run-of-the-mill racism we hear from the right-wingers who don't identify as white nationalists all the time.

Things like "blacks sold other blacks into slavery."
People who cite crime statistics to paint blacks as violent, dangerous vermin who target whites.
Or that cute old grandma who calls all black people pickaninnnies, but doesn't have any way to actually visit harm upon them.

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-07 12:51 AM | Reply

"Black people have a keen sense for spotting inauthentic behavior."

They sure did when it came to Jussie Smollett.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-07 12:52 AM | Reply

"If Trump wanted to pander to white racists - would he defund Planned Parenthood so it would stop killing so many black babies?"

Trump doesn't limit his pandering to white nationalists.
He panders extremely hard to white Evangelicals as well.
That's why Mike Pence is his Vice-President, for example.

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-07 12:54 AM | Reply

If the Republican party can't hold on to Kansas they can't hold onto anything to its left.

#38 | Posted by Tor at 2019-09-07 01:00 AM | Reply

The narrative, especially in America, there's always a good guy and a bad guy. America eats that up like hot cakes. In the GOP, the white man is the good guy. In the DNC, the white man is the bad guy. Add sex and you have a best seller. The Good Guy gets martyred. The Jews killed Jesus. Jesus killed the homosexual and witches. Guns , not people, kill people. People, not guns, kill people. Why have guns anyway? What are guns made for? To kill people. Nah. Guns are also back scratches and toenail clippers, too. Guns are multi-purposed. Chickens are food. Chicken are sex toys. Chickens are both, inseminated with "special sauce," then you cook and baste them in their own juices for extra flavor, right?

It's America who has it wrong. You hockey-puck.

The third option. America is a moron. Sheesh. George Carlin had it right all along.

#39 | Posted by Goose_Boils at 2019-09-07 01:00 AM | Reply

"They sure did when it came to Jussie Smollett.
#36 | POSTED BY SNOOFY"

Yeah, they did. Go watch Dave Chappelle's latest special. This may be news to you as you seem to have no actually diversity in your life. Black people to you exist merely as some fantastical concept. Probably explains why you are constantly saying such racist things. No actual black person in your life to slap you across the face when you spout that garbage.

#40 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-07 01:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Calling a fake Native American Pocahontas is no more racist than calling the white suburban kid with sagging pants and blasting rap music a whigger is racist."

whigger means "white ------" so, yes, that is racist as hell.

#41 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-09-07 01:17 AM | Reply

"Careful or you'll end up on his stalk list as I am.

#22 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2019-09-06 11:15 PM | FLAG: "

isn't it funny that 20 people are "stalking" you? maybe they're just calling you out on your mendacious trolling?

maybe you're just an -------?

#42 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-09-07 01:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

#42

I'd say it's a combination of both.

#43 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-09-07 01:59 AM | Reply

"Black people to you exist merely as some fantastical concept"

Do you think, if I ever meet one, they'll let me touch their hair?
Thanks for the laughs!

"Probably explains why you are constantly saying such racist things."

I'd love to see these racist things I'm constantly saying...

#44 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-07 02:00 AM | Reply

#41 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

Hey, what do you know...another 'woke' progressive that likes to use the N-word. Did you ask your token black friend if it was okay before writing that out? Hopefully it is not the same one Snoofy is asking to touch their hair.

#45 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-07 02:52 AM | Reply

How does the GOP die?

Hard core Republicans keep sticking up for an undeniable liar like Trump, who lies with impunity. What's their response? "Obama: you can keep your doctor"

Trump orders military cargo planes to refuel at a commercial airport near his Irish gold course to keep the airport in business at an expense of $11 million to keep his golf course (which is losing money) open, not at the fuel rates taxpayers pay for fuel at the bases in Europe where they've always refueled on their way back and forth to the Middle East.

He has Pence fly across Ireland to stay at his resort there.

Yep, hard core Republicans excuse anything and everything Trump does.

The rest of America isn't that gullible or sycophantic.

In Congress, McConnell turns a blind eye to every Trump misdeed. Tries to take away health insurance from millions. The same man who whined about debt and deficits the entire 8 years of Obama's 2 terms - while doing absolutely NOTHING to help America recover from the Great Recession - shoves a multi-trillion dollar tax break for people and corporations who didn't need it.

Die GOP, die. The sooner the better.

#46 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-07 03:22 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I agree that turncoats like Bitch Mcconnel, ---- Ryan, Zion Don, and the rest will be the death of the GOP. They fail to conserve ANYTHING at all.
That said, I formally charge everyone in this thread looking forward to the death of conservative politics with being anti-huwhite, marxist revolutionaries.

#47 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-09-07 05:55 AM | Reply

Know who is a DR troll, say like GOAT, and refuse to engage with them. Commenting on their wit only encourages them!

#48 | Posted by john47 at 2019-09-07 10:11 AM | Reply

"#22 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2019-09-06 11:15 PM | FLAG: "
isn't it funny that 20 people are "stalking" you?

POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE "

It's more like 5, and no, it's not funny at all. I wish you and the four others would cease and get a life.

#49 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-07 10:31 AM | Reply

It is easy to think you are ahead if you haven't had to start fighting. As far as I have seen the Democrats have not decided upon a candidate or decided upon a platform. You can't just say what you are against, eventually you have to be for something. What the hard core left that now controls the Democrat party doesn't have much that resonates with most of the population. I predict that Trump will win with a landslide. Think Nixon in 72.

#50 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-09-07 12:12 PM | Reply

Remember 1972? When the left took over the Democrat Party? A lefty was the candidate, tho he would be considered a conservative now. What is the alternative? Biden? I think his hair plugs were put in way too deep. Or he is fighting dementia, and loosing.

#51 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-09-07 12:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Remember 1972? When the left took over the Democrat Party? A lefty was the candidate, tho he would be considered a conservative now. What is the alternative? Biden? I think his hair plugs were put in way too deep. Or he is fighting dementia, and loosing.

#51 | Posted by docnjo

Jeebus, man. Your history books don't go back to the 1930's? FDR? New Deal? 1960's with Medicare?

You grew up in Texas, right? Read about those 'history' books down there.

#52 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-07 12:50 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#52 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY, I generally stick to history I have lived through.

#53 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-09-07 03:29 PM | Reply

#53 | Posted by docnjo Of course your high school history book was likely wrote by Zinn. "A People's History of the United States", or some other Neo-marxist drivel.

#54 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-09-07 03:32 PM | Reply

Sorry.. I'm still laughing that any fool would think Trump will get 25% of black vote... he got 8% vs Hillary ...and except for Kanye.. I don't hear any support

#55 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2019-09-07 03:36 PM | Reply

Sorry.. I forgot about Silk and the other cow... that's 3

#56 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2019-09-07 03:37 PM | Reply

#55 | Posted by 503jc69, Like when Nancy Pelosi called the Tea Party "AstroTurf", up until she lost her majority in the next election. The "Walk Away Movement" is real. The clown car of Democrat candidates is pushing every one not on the hard left out. Ether they will stay home or vote for Trump. The Democrats are like the degenerate gambler who losses a big hand and doubles down on the very next deal. Loss while going left, then going farther left on the next try.

#57 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-09-07 03:47 PM | Reply

The GOnP needs to be shrunk down to the size where we can drown it in a bathtub.

#58 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-09-07 05:52 PM | Reply

As far as I have seen the Democrats have not decided upon a candidate or decided upon a platform. You can't just say what you are against, eventually you have to be for something.

What the hard core left that now controls the Democrat party doesn't have much that resonates with most of the population.

I predict that Trump will win with a landslide. Think Nixon in 72.

#50 | POSTED BYDOCNJO

Wrong

The few on the Left like Bernie Sanders have majorities of the American population supporting him on the individual issues ...

www.salon.com

- Allow Government to Negotiate Drug Prices (79%)
- Give Students the Same Low Interest Rates as Big Banks (78%)
- Universal Pre-Kindergarten (77%)
- Fair Trade that Protect Workers, the Environment, and Jobs (75%)
- End Tax Loopholes for Corporations that Ship Jobs Overseas (74%)
- End Gerrymandering (73%)
- Let Homeowners Pay Down Mortgage With 401k (72%)
- Debt-Free College at All Public Universities (Message A) (71%)
- Infrastructure Jobs Program -- $400 Billion / Year (71%)
- Require NSA to Get Warrants (71%)
- Disclose Corporate Spending on Politics/Lobbying (71%)
- Medicare Buy-In for All (71%)
- Close Offshore Corporate Tax Loopholes (70%)
- Green New Deal -- Millions Of Clean-Energy Jobs (70%)
- Full Employment Act (70%)
- Expand Social Security Benefits (70%)

We're the richest country in the world yet 80% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck, and half the country cannot afford an unexpected $400 emergency expense.

The problem is the Democratic Establishment/DNC refuses to embrace these issues and candidates like Bernie Sanders.

Trump won 2016 Republican primary voters and the General Election by speaking to these issues.

Yes, Trump lies, but the $50k to $100k economic demographic that handed Trump the presidency in WI, MI, OH, PA are getting squeezed beyond belief -- and these voters are rejecting the traditional political bromides from both political parties.

Trump may very well win again in 2020, and it will be for these reasons, combined with Democrats/DNC refusing to fully back candidates like Bernie Sanders.

#59 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-07 07:01 PM | Reply

"Sorry.. I'm still laughing that any fool would think Trump will get 25% of black vote... he got 8% vs Hillary ...and except for Kanye.. I don't hear any support
#55 | POSTED BY 503JC69 "

Some polls already show him at 25% for African American voters. You better hope it stays that low. If Warren is the candidate, he could break into the 30's.

#60 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-07 08:48 PM | Reply

"Some polls already show him at 25% for African American voters. "

yeah? show them.

#61 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-09-07 08:50 PM | Reply

"Yes, Trump lies, but the $50k to $100k economic demographic that handed Trump the presidency in WI, MI, OH, PA are getting squeezed beyond belief -- #59 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF "

No, actually they are not. It is clear that you have never been to these places. Go to Wisconsin - it is booming. The unemployment rate is 3%. Hiring in the trades is booming and wages are increasing rapidly. Help wanted signs everywhere. People in Wisconsin hated Scott Walker, they don't hate Trump. Trump will carry the state easily because everywhere outside of the slums of Milwaukee are experiencing boom times.

Since the election, Unemployment rate in Michigan is down 16%, OH down 23%, and PA down 21%. The only places keeping the rates this high are the Democrat plantation stronghold - the large urban ghettos like Philly, Milwaukee, Cleveland, and Detroit. Everywhere else is booming like they have not seen in decades.

#62 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-07 08:58 PM | Reply

"PA down 21%"

The drop from 5.4% to 3.9% is a 21% relative decline, but the amount it's down is 1.5%.

#63 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-07 09:03 PM | Reply

"Some polls already show him at 25% for African American voters."

Maybe he means a 25% relative increase, from 4% to 5%...

#64 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-07 09:05 PM | Reply

"The drop from 5.4% to 3.9% is a 21% relative decline
#63 | POSTED BY SNOOFY"

Your problem is not with me, it is with math. The number of people in PA that were unemployed has decreased 21% since Trump won the election. That is a fact - not a relative fact - but a fact.

#65 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-07 09:12 PM | Reply

Unemployment rate in Michigan is down 16%, OH down 23%, and PA down 21%.

It's been plummeting in every one of those states since 2010. Thanks Trump!

This would be like a football team driving 99 yards down the field, then letting a rookie punch in the final yard and him trying to take credit for all 6 points.

#66 | Posted by JOE at 2019-09-07 09:23 PM | Reply

"The number of people in PA that were unemployed has decreased 21%, from 5.4% to 3.9%."

It's customary to include both the absolute and relative numbers, because if the situation were such in PA that unemployment went from 0.5% to 0.4%, the 20% decline wouldn't really be anything to crow over.

It's also worth noting the decline in PA unemployment has been nearly uninterrupted for a nearly decade, since the end of the Great Recession in 2010.

#67 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-07 09:25 PM | Reply

Go to Wisconsin - it is booming

Hahaha. Statistically, Wisconsin lags behind its peers, and everyone who lives here feels it and knows it.
urbanmilwaukee.com

People in Wisconsin hated Scott Walker, they don't hate Trump.

Hahahahahaha! Thanks for the laughs!

#68 | Posted by JOE at 2019-09-07 09:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

It's been plummeting in every one of those states since 2010. Thanks Trump!
#66 | POSTED BY JOE

OH unemployment rate August 2015 = 4.7%, OH unemployment rate October 2016 = 5.2%, an 11% increase. You have a strange relationship with the truth. And this does not even speak to real wage growth/quality of jobs. Over the last 2 years, Trump kicked Obama's head in on a 4:1 ratio for creating manufacturing jobs - Obama just created minimum wage, part time jobs. Again, the statistics show this clearly - so why are you lying?

Obama record is pretty horrid - even being gifted 0% interest rates and a globally recovering economy. I find it ironic that the one boom industry which helped unemployment in big way - fracking - Obama fought tooth and nail. The economy recovered in spite of Obama, not because of him. Which is why every Dem candidate outside of Crazy Uncle Joe is running from his legacy.

#69 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-07 09:39 PM | Reply

"Hahaha. Statistically, Wisconsin lags behind its peers, and everyone who lives here feels it and knows it.
#68 | POSTED BY JOE"

Who is their peer? Unemployment rate of 3% is lower than Minnesota, Illinois, and Michigan - trailing only Iowa, whose economy is much less diversified and lacks major population centers. Again, it is Milwaukee that drags down all the stats due to the Democrat ubran ghetto they created over the last 50 years. In education, WI ranks #11 in higher education and #16 in K-12. In quality of life rankings and best cities to live in, WI is always very well represented, again, outside of Milwaukee.

It is clear that you have never stepped foot in Wisconsin, your ignorance is astounding.

#70 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-07 10:01 PM | Reply

No, actually they are not. It is clear that you have never been to these places.

#65 | POSTED BYIRAGOLDBERG

Wrong

I live in the Midwest. It's been hallowed out by 40 years of pro-business policies that have led to factories and jobs being sent overseas for cheaper labor and greater profits ...

Who Stole The American Dream?
youtu.be
[1:27:43]

Where I live half the downtown is doing well, the other half is neglected. Then there's block after block of blighted mid-town neighborhoods -- think of the once great American city of Detroit but one-tenth the size.

And where I live isn't a stand alone example -- it's allover the Midwest.

Why the Midwest Can't Catch a Break
washingtonmonthly.com

The overall low unemployment numbers don't explain why the Midwest is still a run down region of the country.

And the answer to that is ...

1. the low quality of the jobs that are available; lower wages, no pension, no employee paid healthcare plan.

2. combined with the lack of corporate reinvestment in these communities; profits not aimed at R & D in the community and are instead kept as CEO profit.

Since the 1970s American productivity has tripled, yet wages have remained stagnant ... with the results being concentrated wealth and prosperity mainly on the coasts while the Midwest gets neglected and run down.

You really don't know what you're talking about.

#71 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-07 10:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

OH unemployment rate August 2015 = 4.7%, OH unemployment rate October 2016 = 5.2%

What is a "trend?" It was 11.0% in Feb 2010, 4.7% in Aug 2015. Thanks Trump! You can cherrypick whatever you want. By Jan 2018 it was 4.5%.

Who is their peer?

Read the link i posted, ------. A regression analysis among states is more meaningful than comparing baseline rates - unless you're a hack (which we all know you are). Why not just sign back in under your Sheeple username and go back to pretending to be a liberal?

#72 | Posted by JOE at 2019-09-07 10:34 PM | Reply

"I live in the Midwest. It's been hallowed out by 40 years of pro-business policies that have led to factories and jobs being sent overseas for cheaper labor and greater profits ..."

Do you live in Wisconsin? I take it don't because WI, outside of Milwaukee is heaven on earth compared 40 years ago. Even with the collapse of paper industry and decline of meat packing, is is exponentially better off.

"[1:27:43]
Where I live half the downtown is doing well, the other half is neglected. Then there's block after block of blighted mid-town neighborhoods -- think of the once great American city of Detroit but one-tenth the size."

Where do you live, Gary IN? I would bet your local government is dominated by the Dems.

"And where I live isn't a stand alone example -- it's allover the Midwest."

It is not in WI, it is not in Minnesota, it is not in Iowa - in fact, it is not in MI outside of Detroit.

"The overall low unemployment numbers don't explain why the Midwest is still a run down region of the country."

It is not. I live in CA. We have have worse slum areas and way higher rates of poverty than where I grew up in WI.

"1. the low quality of the jobs that are available; lower wages, no pension, no employee paid healthcare plan."

You can thank the globalists for that. They thought it would be a great idea to compete against Chinese slave labor costs. Fortunately, 1 guy - TRUMP - finally said NO MORE.

"Since the 1970s American productivity has tripled, yet wages have remained stagnant ... with the results being concentrated wealth and prosperity mainly on the coasts while the Midwest gets neglected and run down."

Wealth is concentrated on the costs because that is where the 0.0001% choose to live. But the median person is still much better off in WI or Minnesota (outside of the winter months). CA poverty is skyrocketing - most of the family wealth is concentrated in home equity and the schools are failing. That is the reality. The media person in CA is poor. The 'average' person - excluding the wealth of the top 0.001% of the state, is poor.

"You really don't know what you're talking about.
#71 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF"

Which state do you live in, it is clearly not Wisconsin.

#73 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-07 10:54 PM | Reply

"The media person in CA is poor. The 'average' person - excluding the wealth of the top 0.001% of the state, is poor."

CA is 8th in per capita income, at over $71K/year.
worldpopulationreview.com

#74 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-09-07 11:02 PM | Reply

"The media person in CA is poor."

LOL.

"Compared to themedian US household income,California median household income is $11,469 higher."

I guess the median American is even poorer.

#75 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-07 11:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"CA is 8th in per capita income, at over $71K/year.
worldpopulationreview.com

#74 | POSTED BY DANFORTH"

Great, now actually address what I wrote. CA has wealth inequality on par with Africa. Exclude the top 0.001% and do that calculation again. CA has 30% of all welfare cases. WI poverty rate is 10.2%, CA is 13.3%.

Further, the cost of living difference is higher than household income difference - throw on top the school rankings, and CA is a -------- for most of its population. I live there, I see it every day. The haves (like myself) and the have nots. It is shocking.

#76 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-07 11:29 PM | Reply

Which state do you live in, it is clearly not Wisconsin.

#73 | POSTED BYIRAGOLDBERG

Your insistance on wanting to know which state I live in is beside the point.

You want to cherry pick, and cherry picking doesn't explain why the Midwest as a region has been hallowed out, de-industrialized, and stagnant.

The costs of healthcare, education, and housing, are all rising but wages aren't keeping pace ... and wages haven't kept pace since the 1970s.

In the Midwest, yes, there are areas that are doing well, but the region as a whole is mostly stagnant -- that's the answer.

What I'm describing isn't just in the Midwest, it's been going on everywhere in the America -- but the very character of the Midwest was mostly rooted in manufacturing (auto, steel, farm equipment, etc.) and it was these dignified jobs that created the middle-class.

Those manufacturing jobs are now gone and so is the region's vitality. What jobs are left? Mostly service oriented jobs with lower wages and no benefits.

You want to make all this a shallow Republican vs. Democrat conversation, and it's way deeper than that -- it's class-warfare, corporate vs worker, and the corporations won.

That's how America became the richest country in the world with half the population remaining poor.

And the now the American life expectancy is declining as people stop looking for employment and it's no wonder they instead turn to drugs and other forms of destructive behavior.

#77 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-07 11:59 PM | Reply

"Great, now actually address what I wrote. CA has wealth inequality on par with Africa. "

You didn't write "wealth inequality" you wrote "median" (actually "media", but we all knew what you meant) and "poor", even when including the .001%.

"Exclude the top 0.001% and do that calculation again. "

Put those goalposts back when you're finished moving them.

#78 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-09-08 12:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Your insistance on wanting to know which state I live in is beside the point. "

It is the point. I don't believe you live in the Midwest.

"You want to cherry pick, and cherry picking doesn't explain why the Midwest as a region has been hallowed out, de-industrialized, and stagnant."

All explained already - globalism and Dem imposing environmental restrictions.

"The costs of healthcare, education, and housing, are all rising but wages aren't keeping pace ... and wages haven't kept pace since the 1970s."

Not true, under Trump, wage are rising faster than inflation. FACT.

"In the Midwest, yes, there are areas that are doing well, but the region as a whole is mostly stagnant -- that's the answer."

Not true. The large urban ghettos are suffering - the suburbs and rural areas are growing. Further, as stated above, we already know the cause and answer - which is why Trump is trying to rebuild the industrial base.

"Those manufacturing jobs are now gone and so is the region's vitality. What jobs are left? Mostly service oriented jobs with lower wages and no benefits."

Again, factually incorrect. Trump has grown manufacturing at 4x the rate of Obama. With tariffs in place long term, this will continue.

"#77 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF "

It is a Trump vs. Globalist (GOP and Dem) issue. Trump is winning. Obama was gifted 0% interest rates, quantatative easing, and energy prices being halved due to fracking - and he just created low quality, part time jobs.

Obama fought fracking tooth and nail - tell me what his GDP growth would have been at $100 oil prices, electricity prices 25% higher, and no jobs in the fracking sector. Take away his 0% interest rates and tell me what his GDP growth would have been.

Obama was a disaster because he was a globalist at heart. Trump is the only politician that is different.

#79 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-08 12:21 AM | Reply

#79 | POSTED BYIRAGOLDBERG

I live in the Midwest. If you don't want to believe that, then by all means go to hell, pal -- lol

You want to argue over superficial short-term data points that don't explain how we got here -- again, we're the richest country in the world and yet half the population is poor.

Don't be a hack.

#80 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-08 12:29 AM | Reply

Trump is the only politician that is different.

#79 | POSTED BY IRAGOLDBERG AT 2019-09-08 12:21 AM | FLAG:

The only thing that's different about Trump is the fact that he has a twitter account and isn't afraid to say some of the stupidest schitt I've ever heard to the entire world simultaneously.

Here's a few of the Donald's selling points from 2016

Lock her up
Build the wall
Protect the 2nd
Defund PP
Revamp the IRS
a real investigation into 9/11

All total BS

He's another lame politician who can't help himself from telling lies. And the left apparently doesn't have the collective sense god gave a goose because they reach and stretch for the stupidest things to pin on him.

#81 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-09-08 09:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump is the only politician that is different.

#79 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-08 12:21 AM | Reply | Fl

Different than what?

Trump is the stereotype of a corrupt politician. He's done a lot to outrage, nothing to surprise.

#82 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-08 09:43 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Again, factually incorrect. Trump has grown manufacturing at 4x the rate of Obama. With tariffs in place long term, this will continue.

#79 | POSTED BY IRAGOLDBERG AT 2019-09-08 12:21 AM |

fred.stlouisfed.org

Can you show on the graph where the growth rate changed under Trump? It has been growing at a fairly constant rate since 2010. Did you miss the part where Trump's job numbers were corrected down by 500,000?

#83 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-09-08 09:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#83 | POSTED BY HATTER5183

Try to keep up, you seem a bit slow.

www.forbes.com

#84 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-08 10:04 AM | Reply

The GOP is already dead.

It is now 100% Trump's Party.

The GOP built this tower of Babel out of accepting Trump Lies and confabulations.

One day (hopefully sooner than later) Trump will be gone. What will be left?

Nothing from nothing equals nothing.

Enjoy your extinction.

#85 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-09-08 10:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The GOP is already dead.

POSTED BY DONNERBOY "

*yawn*

That's what you guys were saying in 2008. In fact I'm pretty sure you were one of them. But what happened two years later?

Face it. You guys aren't very good at prognostication.

#86 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-08 10:25 AM | Reply

That's what you guys were saying in 2008. In fact I'm pretty sure you were one of them. But what happened two years later?

#86 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2019-09-08 10:25 AM | REPLY

Two years later the GOP spoke a lot of pretty shiny words and convinced low information voters to voluntarily vote to get sodomized without any vaseline.

#87 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-09-08 10:36 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

That's funny considering how racist the left is.
drudge.com

#6 | Posted by gracieamazed

One person writing an op-ed is "the left"?

Or you're just stupid and can't handle more than one variable at a time in your "thinking".

Which do you think is more likely?

#88 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-08 11:06 AM | Reply

#59 | Posted by PinchALoaf Yea, everyone likes those ideals, but they balk at the price tag. Americans already pay about 40% of their income in direct or indirect tax, that is the prime reason almost every one depends on a second income to keep their home afloat. Most of us should be suspicious of anyone promising a bag of goodies, sense we know that we are paying for it.

#89 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-09-08 11:07 AM | Reply

"Two years later the GOP spoke a lot of pretty shiny words and convinced low information voters to voluntarily vote to get sodomized without any vaseline.
#87 | POSTED BY HATTER5183 "

Spin it however you like. That doesn't get your party any votes. My point stands strong and true.

#90 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-08 11:18 AM | Reply

Most of us should be suspicious of anyone promising a bag of goodies, sense we know that we are paying for it.

#89 | POSTED BY DOCNJO AT 2019-09-08 11:07 AM | FLAG:

Like the bag of goodies we received from our politicians who voted for the ME wars? Such a great investment.

Start bitching about that and I'll start listening to your financial concerns about education and Medicare.

#91 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-09-08 11:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Like the bag of goodies we received from our politicians who voted for the ME wars?

No one ran on invading Iraq, Obama ran against them, but still got us in them.

If you are saying the government is full of crap, incompetence and wasteful spending, I am right there with you.

Don't offer any "bag of goodies" ....

#92 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-08 11:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

One person writing an op-ed is "the left"? ~ JPW

Buy a vowel.... JPW buy a vowel....

#93 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-08 11:50 AM | Reply

#59 | Posted by PinchALoaf Yea, everyone likes those ideals, but they balk at the price tag. Americans already pay about 40% of their income in direct or indirect tax, that is the prime reason almost every one depends on a second income to keep their home afloat. Most of us should be suspicious of anyone promising a bag of goodies, sense we know that we are paying for it.

#89 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

Respectfully -

In 2008 America was in debt, yet America can bail out Wall Street in 2008 with $12.8 Trillion dollars with a drop of the hat ...

Wall Street Bank Bailout
www.youtube.com
[9:26]

$12 Trillion ... again, to repeat, $12 Trillion ...

But America has no money when it comes to improving the lives of the overwhelmingly majority of the population with things that majorities of Americans want?

I say BS -- and I'm right, and people who disagree with me are wrong (no offense).

#94 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-08 11:55 AM | Reply

"No one ran on invading Iraq"

Has it occurred to you that it doesn't matter? The moneys gone either way. The point is that the money could have better spent. And no, I don't believe the government is capable of controlling reckless spending no matter what the purpose. There may have been a time long ago but not anymore.

I'm just of the mind that most go along with whatever the government spends on "defense" and doesn't question it. Then you've got those who see healthcare or education as a "bag of goodies" they have to pay for.

#95 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-09-08 12:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Can you show on the graph where the growth rate changed under Trump?"

Relax, Jake, it's...Republican Math.

You'll recognize it by the equation 1 + 1 = Whatever my current agenda requires.

#96 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-09-08 02:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Trump has grown manufacturing at 4x the rate of Obama."

Another lie from Rube.

#97 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-09-08 02:24 PM | Reply

"But America has no money when it comes to improving the lives of the overwhelmingly majority of the population with things that majorities of Americans want?

I say BS -- and I'm right, and people who disagree with me are wrong (no offense).

#94 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF "

You are absolutely right. And it is one of the main reasons we should not be giving money, food, shelter, medicine etc. to people thousands of miles away or come from thousands of miles away to our borders. Charity begins at home. Let's take care of Americans and then worry about improving the lot of the rest of the world.

I mean, do you see ANY country in the world helping " to improving the lives of the overwhelmingly majority of the population with things that majorities of Americans want?"

Nope.

#98 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-08 03:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"CA has wealth inequality on par with Africa."

Why wouldn't they?
Since 1975, practically all the gains in household income have gone to the top 20% of households.
Obviously that's a policy of ever increasing wealth inequality.
Don't try and tell me you don't like this this way???

#99 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-08 04:06 PM | Reply

"I mean, do you see ANY country in the world helping " to improving the lives of the overwhelmingly majority of the population with things that majorities of Americans want?""

Health care for all.
That's a thing a majority of Americans want.
Yes, countries help their population by spending money on health care for all, throughout the modern world.

#100 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-08 05:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

""I mean, do you see ANY country in the world helping " to improving the lives of the overwhelmingly majority of the population with things that majorities of Americans want?""
Health care for all.

That's a thing a majority of Americans want.
Yes, countries help their population by spending money on health care for all, throughout the modern world.

POSTED BY SNOOFY"

Put the goalposts back and try again.

#101 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-08 06:24 PM | Reply

I didn't move them, Goatman.

#102 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-08 06:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You are absolutely right. And it is one of the main reasons we should not be giving money, food, shelter, medicine etc. to people thousands of miles away or come from thousands of miles away to our borders. Charity begins at home. Let's take care of Americans and then worry about improving the lot of the rest of the world.

I mean, do you see ANY country in the world helping " to improving the lives of the overwhelmingly majority of the population with things that majorities of Americans want?"

Nope.

#98 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2019-09-08 03:50 PM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 1

Absolutely correct. Including Israel

#103 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-09-08 06:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I didn't move them, Goatman.

#102 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

LOL

Of course you did. PGUP is your friend. Play your snoofygames (tm) without me.

#104 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-08 06:45 PM | Reply

Only right-wing trolls try to say the US can't afford domestic spending because of the US foreign aid.

www.cfr.org

The fact is the US spends only about 2% of the budget on foreign aid.

Again, in 2008 America was in debt, and yet America bailed out Wall Street in 2008 with $12.8 Trillion dollars with a drop of the hat ...

Wall Street Bank Bailout
youtu.be
[9:26]

$12 Trillion ... again, to repeat, $12 Trillion.

But America has no money when it comes to improving the lives of the overwhelmingly majority of the population with things that majorities of Americans want?

I say BS -- and I'm right, and people who disagree with me are wrong or just right-wing trolls.

#105 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-08 06:51 PM | Reply

" and I'm right, and people who disagree with me are wrong or just right-wing trolls.

#105 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF "

Being right is self-evident. It doesn't have to be spoken. Only the emotionally insecure who are not confident in their responses have to overtly proclaim self-righteousness. And when they do, they actually are usually wrong.

#106 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-08 06:57 PM | Reply

"Being right is self-evident. It doesn't have to be spoken."

I'd love to know which branch of philosophy this is...

#107 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-08 07:00 PM | Reply

"I'd love to know which branch of philosophy this is...

#107 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

Who said it was a branch of philosophy?

#108 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-08 07:02 PM | Reply

Philosophy (from Greek , philosophia, literally "love of wisdom") is the study of general and fundamental questions about existence, knowledge, values, reason, mind, and language.

#109 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-08 07:05 PM | Reply

Oh, look, a right-wing troll.

If there was any justice in the world, and there isn't, 12 trillion bucks would be stuck up a troll's ass sideways instead of being used to bail out the criminals on Wall Street.

And there would still be more than enough money left over for domestic spending that majorities of Americans want to make their lives easier.

Trolls are proven liars, like the trolls that they are.

#110 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-08 07:06 PM | Reply

"In philosophy, the concept fact is considered in epistemology and ontology. ... A "fact" can be defined as something that is the case"that is, a state of affairs. Facts may be understood as information that makes a true sentence true."

#111 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-08 07:07 PM | Reply

I'd love to know which branch of philosophy this is...

#107 | POSTED BYSNOOFY

Troll Philosophy

It's defined as stirring the pot, whether it's for craving attention (sad), or because of sociopathic behavior.

#112 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-08 07:10 PM | Reply

"Oh, look, a right-wing troll.

#110 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF "

And pinche oaf's definition of a right-wing troll is anyone who doesn't agree with him. Pathetic lack of self confidence, and way too much hubris.

"...and people who disagree with me are wrong or just right-wing trolls.

#105 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF AT 2019-09-08 06:51 PM "

'Nuff said.

#113 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-08 07:11 PM | Reply

Trolls deserve zero respect, zero benefit of the doubt.

Why?

Because they're pathological liars.

The fact is the US spends only about 2% of the budget on foreign aid.

www.cfr.org

In 2008 America was in debt, and yet America bailed out Wall Street in 2008 with $12.8 Trillion dollars at the drop of the hat ...

Wall Street Bank Bailout
youtu.be
[9:26]

$12 Trillion ... again, to repeat, $12 Trillion.

But America has no money when it comes to improving the lives of the overwhelmingly majority of the population with things that majorities of Americans want?

I say BS -- and I'm right, and people who disagree with me are wrong or just right-wing trolls.

#114 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-08 07:16 PM | Reply

"And pinche oaf's definition of a right-wing troll is anyone who doesn't agree with him"

Oaf?
I am shocked -- shocked -- to find that name-calling is going on in here!

#115 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-08 07:17 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Because they're pathological liars.

The fact is the US spends only about 2% of the budget on foreign aid.

POSTED BY PINCHE OAF"

Um, who said otherwise? Who lied?

#116 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-08 07:18 PM | Reply

"If there was any justice in the world, and there isn't, 12 trillion bucks would be stuck up a troll's ass sideways instead of being used to bail out the criminals on Wall Street."

Who here is defending that bailout?

#117 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-08 07:48 PM | Reply

Who used the term "foreign aid", pinch?

#118 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-08 07:49 PM | Reply

"Who here is defending that bailout?

#117 | POSTED BY EBERLY "

I think it's the same people who "lied" about the US spending 2% on foreign aid. IOW, someone who lives in pinche oaf's head.

#119 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-08 07:51 PM | Reply

"Obama fought fracking tooth and nail"

No he didn't.

"President Obama Gets It: Fracking Is Awesome"
www.forbes.com

#120 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-08 08:07 PM | Reply

The GOP will never die as long as the Dems keep putting up people like Hillary.

#121 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-08 08:12 PM | Reply

Who used the term "foreign aid", pinch?

#118 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Goat-troll implied the right-wing trope about foreign aid in post #98 ...

And if that's what he didn't mean, he's implying the right-wing trope against immigrants, again, in post # 98 ...

And if Goat-troll denies that, then he's just trolling like trolls do.

#122 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-08 08:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Occasional we see articles written suggesting the gop will lose their base because the old white racists are dying off.

Been seeing that for years and years.

The GOP will evolve as needed. We'll still have a bitter 2 party system.

#123 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-08 08:16 PM | Reply

The GOP will devolve as needed, Eberly.

They've been in retrograde ever since welcoming the Bible-thumping Evangelical Christians into their tent.
By now, if you can't tell the inmates are running the asylum, it's because you just don't want to, except maybe once every four years when it matters.

#124 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-08 08:17 PM | Reply

"Who used the term "foreign aid", pinch?

#118 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Goat-troll implied the right-wing trope about foreign aid in post #98 ...
And if that's what he didn't mean, he's implying the right-wing trope against immigrants, again, in post # 98 ...
And if Goat-troll denies that, then he's just trolling like trolls do.

#122 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF "

LOL

I agreed with you in post 98. And what I said, is what I meant. Only a troll would take my words and twist them into something else and claim I
"implied" what they wish I had said. (see also danforth) Why can't you trolls just take my words as I wrote them and not spin them into something you wish I had said? I don't get the blatant dishonesty.

You've got this GDS thing bad. Seek help.

#125 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-08 08:19 PM | Reply

"Goat-troll implied the right-wing trope about foreign aid in post #98 ..."

Bullschitt. You accused him of lying and you have to say he "implied " something?

He didn't imply it and he didn't even say it.

Which makes YOU the pathetic lying troll

You're the White Goodman of the DR.

giphy.com

#126 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-08 08:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"They've been in retrograde ever since welcoming the Bible-thumping Evangelical Christians into their tent.

POSTED BY SNOOFY "

If not for the fact they keep winning, this would be true. Perhaps you should base our responses on the real world that is now.

#127 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-08 08:20 PM | Reply

-And if Goat-troll denies that, then he's just trolling like trolls do.

Only a true troll would have to work so hard to assign positions and make baseless allegations just to accuse someone of being a troll

#pinchisatroll

#128 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-08 08:22 PM | Reply

#126 | POSTED BYEBERLY

That's ridiculous.

Post # 100 rebutted Goat-troll that other countries don't spend for things like universal healthcare.

Post # 103 intepreted Goat-troll's post as foreign aid.

When liars lie everyday, as Goat-troll does, it becomes normal -- it's like deciding which turd is worst, and who's fault is that? Not mine.

#129 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-08 08:51 PM | Reply

129

You're just a lying jackass troll who has to assign positions to make an argument against it.

You do it every day here.

Plonk him or STFU.

You're NO better. In many ways you're worse.

#130 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-08 08:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Perhaps you should base our responses on the real world that is now."

I am.
The GOP has moved to the right, politically, since the 80s.
fivethirtyeight.com

#131 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-08 08:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#130 | POSTED BYEBERLY

Wrong

I'm always insisting on facts and truth.

Not my fault others have such low standards.

#132 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-08 09:02 PM | Reply

-I'm always insisting on facts and truth.

But you don't care. You have your narrative and your beliefs.

Everything else be damned.

Isn't it time for you to post another Hedrick Smith video and pretend that's evidence you're smarter than somebody here?

#133 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-08 09:31 PM | Reply

"Not my fault I'm a d-bag nobody likes"

FT

#134 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-08 09:33 PM | Reply

-- post another Hedrick Smith video

"Do it to Julia! Not me!"

#135 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-08 09:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

But you don't care. You have your narrative and your beliefs.

Everything else be damned.

#133 | POSTED BYEBERLY

Yeah, exactly.

America is full of confomists and groupthink, like buying into the "no money" argument.

Another is challenging the traditional political paradigm of left/Democrat/liberal vs right/Republican/conservative.

America is in it's second Gilded Age, and the political paradigm is now bottom/poor/working-class vs top/rich/professional.

America needs more people challenging the BS they're being told.

We're the richest country in the world and yet half the population is poor. Why?

I'm the world's biggest dummy and even I can figure all this out.

#136 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-08 09:52 PM | Reply

Isn't it time for you to post another Hedrick Smith video and pretend that's evidence you're smarter than somebody here?

#133 | POSTED BYEBERLY

No, I post the same one over and over again.

This one ...

Who Stole The American Dream?
youtu.be
[1:27:43]

Get it right.

#137 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-08 09:56 PM | Reply

Post # 100 rebutted Goat-troll that other countries don't spend for things like universal healthcare."

Except I never said that, liar.

"Post # 103 intepreted Goat-troll's post as foreign aid."

The interpretation of a GDS afflicted soul. LOL. Again, my words do not need to be interpreted. Take them as I write them, nor what you wish them to be. I grow weary of telling you this, troll

#138 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-08 10:14 PM | Reply

No, I post the same one over and over again.

#137 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF AT 2019-09-08 09:"

Just like a parrot who lacks originality and cannot come up with a new thought of his own

#139 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-08 10:28 PM | Reply

Just like a parrot who lacks originality and cannot come up with a new thought of his own

#139 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

You're lucky I don't duct tape you to a chair, put tooth-picks in your eyelids to keep them open, and force you to watch that video for 72 hours straight.

Maybe you'd finally learn something.

#140 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-08 10:51 PM | Reply

You're lucky I don't duct tape you to a chair, put tooth-picks in your eyelids to keep them open, and force you to watch that video for 72 hours straight.
Maybe you'd finally learn something.
#140 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF AT 2019-09-08 10:51 PM "

Internet tough guy

#141 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-08 10:54 PM | Reply

Internet tough guy

#141 | POSTED BYGOATMAN

I call it leadership.

If someone else wants to take the lead, so long as it's the right answers, then I'm very happy to be just another follower.

#142 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-08 11:01 PM | Reply

"I call it leadership"

What kind of leader wants to duct tape someone to a chair and stick toothpicks in their eyes?

#143 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-08 11:23 PM | Reply

What kind of leader wants to duct tape someone to a chair and stick toothpicks in their eyes?

#143 | POSTED BYGOATMAN

It's metaphorically speaking, Big Fella.

#144 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-08 11:28 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

After only a few days, the Trump fanbois and trolls have outed themselves irreparably! You know who you are; please settle down, maybe take a nap or ask your doctor to re-adjust your meds. Three people are monopolizing the conversation.

#145 | Posted by john47 at 2019-09-09 08:51 AM | Reply

#53 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-09-07 03:29 PM | Reply

#53 | Posted by docnjo Of course your high school history book was likely wrote by Zinn. "A People's History of the United States", or some other Neo-marxist drivel.

#54 | Posted by docnjo

No, just, you know, 'history.' A commonly shared group of facts.

#146 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-09 02:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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