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Saturday, September 07, 2019

Should Elizabeth Warren do the right thing and drop out of the Democratic presidential race, so Bernie Sanders can address Joe Biden's multiple "reality issues" before taking on President Donald Trump? Yes, immediately. Bernie can beat Trump. Warren and other Democrats also match up well with Trump, but Sanders has the necessary authenticity. And Biden has a serious flaw. If you can't see this, you might just be blind to Joe adrift, lost in his multiverse of fabrications and moist feelings, like a sad sci-fi astronaut with gleaming white teeth in a Netflix movie, unmoored.

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What a bizarre idea. The younger woman should drop out in favor of the angry old man?

#1 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-07 03:58 PM | Reply

"The younger woman should drop out in favor of the angry old man?"

Trump's marriages.

#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-07 04:00 PM | Reply

She and he should battle it out til one wins. Chicago Tribune should stay out of it.

#3 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-07 04:15 PM | Reply

--be blind to Joe adrift, lost in his multiverse of fabrications and moist feelings, like a sad sci-fi astronaut with gleaming white teeth in a Netflix movie, unmoored."

John Kass has a nice prose style. Somebody worth reading for that alone.

#4 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-07 04:25 PM | Reply

Chicago Tribune is a Republican Paper. I know, cause I read it on my front porch with my morning coffee.

The Chi Trib need to stiffen their editorial oversight of Trump, and 'Putin/Trump, and the Trump/Putin/McConnel/Duke' wing of the Republican Party before they have any standing to pass line-up cards to the Democratic Party and their candidates.

#5 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2019-09-07 05:28 PM | Reply

Per the article ...

Sanders is a true lefty, not a faux lefty, and perhaps it would be a good thing for the country to have left and right meet in the November 2020 Thunderdome and just end this incessant bickering once and for all.

Kass doesn't say why Bernie is authentic, let alone explain his sustained popularity.

If Kass did that, he'd then touch on why people voted for Trump in the first place.

#6 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-07 06:09 PM | Reply

John Kass has a nice prose style. Somebody worth reading for that alone.

#4 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

I lolz at Kass's 'Pow Wow Chow' line, and the rice pudding thing ~

However, from the article ...

But the charade of representing herself as a Native American, and the catastrophe of her DNA test, turns off working-class families.

Again, Kass isn't explaining why working-class families are turned off by Warren.

#7 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-07 06:20 PM | Reply

#7 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF

Seems like he does ... perhaps just not one you agree with.

#8 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-07 08:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Let's check in on Warren's rally in NH....
twitter.com

#9 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-07 08:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Seems like he does ... perhaps just not one you agree with.

#8 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

Where does Kass explains Bernie's popularity?

If you say "free stuff", then you, on a personal level, don't understand what it's like to work for a living.

#10 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-07 08:35 PM | Reply

Sanders believes that deficits don't matter because we can print all the money we want.

In other words, the United States currency comes from the United States government. It can't come from anywhere else. And therefore, it can never run out of money. It cannot face a solvency problem, bills coming due that it can't afford to pay. It never has to worry about finding the money in order to be able to spend. It doesn't need to go and raise taxes or borrow money before it is able to spend.

www.cnbc.com

So, implement whatever programs you like. We'll print whatever it takes to pay for it!

Madness.

#11 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-09-07 08:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

--www.cnbc.com

Yeah, our resident Marxist, Bayviking, has posted a number of Counterpunch articles promoting "modern monetary theory."

#12 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-07 09:02 PM | Reply

"Sanders believes that deficits don't matter because we can print all the money we want."

"Reagan proved deficits don't matter."
--Dick Cheney

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-07 09:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#11 great read. Makes more sense than anything Trump's people are saying about the economy.

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-07 09:19 PM | Reply

Sanders believes that deficits don't matter because we can print all the money we want.

In other words, the United States currency comes from the United States government. It can't come from anywhere else. And therefore, it can never run out of money. It cannot face a solvency problem, bills coming due that it can't afford to pay. It never has to worry about finding the money in order to be able to spend. It doesn't need to go and raise taxes or borrow money before it is able to spend.

So, implement whatever programs you like. We'll print whatever it takes to pay for it!

Madness.

#11 | POSTED BY LEE_THE_AGENT

American was already in debt during the 2008 Wall Street Crash/Great Recession when Wall Street was bailed out and made whole again with a $12 Trillion bailout at the drop of a hat ...

www.youtube.com

$12 Trillion ... again, $12 Trillion.

So when people say Bernie Sanders or anyone else have unrealistic ideas that can't be paid for, I say BS.

#15 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-07 09:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Sanders believes that deficits don't matter because we can print all the money we want."

Turns out this isn't even close to a fair description of what's at the link.

It does however seem to be a thing that Trump said:

Malter: With regard to our president, he has coined himself "The King of Debt" before and you mentioned how personal debt and business debt is very different for government debt. So is it OK to be the "King of Debt" when you're the president of the United States?

Kelton: At some point [Trump] said, you know after initially worrying about the national debt as a candidate, he talked about the need to possibly renegotiate the debt, negotiate with our creditors and there was a lot of backlash against those comments. And I think he had a really important conversation with someone and then he changed his narrative. He came out and he said, "Let me tell you, you don't have to negotiate with your creditors OK? I hate to tell you but we print the money OK? I hate to tell you there's never going to be a default."

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-07 09:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--I say BS.

That's what I say about Sander's proposal to tax beef and pay for 3rd world abortions to combat "climate change."

#17 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-07 09:34 PM | Reply

"Let's check in on Warren's rally in NH...."

Yeah, let's (be sure to scroll down to get the full effect):

twitter.com

#18 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-07 11:47 PM | Reply

Liz is drawing crowds, but she has flaws; Hillary Lite, Pocahontas meme.

Bernie is a better candidate. He'll never get anything near what he's after, but he'll get enough.

Bernie is a good thorn against a GOP Senate. He'll work for the people. I do believe he's genuine.

#19 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-09-08 12:12 AM | Reply

More video of Warren speaking at NH rally:

Elizabeth Warren @ewarren

I am not afraid"and if Democrats are going to win, you can't be afraid either. This is our moment in history. This is our moment to dream big and fight hard. Thank you, @NHDems! #NHDems2020

twitter.com

#20 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-08 12:22 AM | Reply

More Liz video from NH. Maybe should drop out and back her. Just sayin:

Vaughn Hillyard @VaughnHillyard

"This is how we build a movement," @ewarren after a 2+ minute ovation in New Hampshire. No reception close to this.

twitter.com

#21 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-08 12:51 AM | Reply

Maybe should = Maybe Bernie should

#22 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-08 12:53 AM | Reply

Maybe Bernie should...

offer Warren a VP slot. They'd do better together.

#23 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-09-08 01:23 AM | Reply

This is our moment in history. This is when the oceans stopped rising and the planet began to heal. Thank you, @NHDems! #NHDems2020

lol. Tne new Lightworker!

#24 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-08 02:45 AM | Reply

Yes, Liz. Do it! Do it!

#25 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-08 11:00 AM | Reply

"I say BS"

That's what I say about Sander's proposal to tax beef and pay for 3rd world abortions to combat "climate change."

#17 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

You know who thinks the beef industry is the #1 contributor of carbon emissions contributing to climate change?

The 85-year old Ralph Nader.

If you add the age of Nader to Bernie's age, you get 163 years ... and if you apply 163 years and go backwards in the chronological time-frame from today in 2019, that puts us at the year 1856 -- before the Civil War (!).

Add the 86-year old journalist Hedrick Smith, now were at the year 1770, a time BEFORE the founding of the country!

Add another smart guy, historian Joseph J. Ellis at age 76, and now we're going back to when Jesus Christ walked the Earth (JC even existing in the first place is another conversation, by the way) ...

What am I getting at?

We know America's problems and have known them for a very long time -- but we willfully ignore the people with all the smarts who are telling us the answers.

I hope Lee The Agent sees this -- he writes political humor, and he can take this and make a real good funny about America's living knowledge residing in its socks where America's mega-geriatric balls are now located -- that sort of thing ~

#26 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-08 11:44 AM | Reply

lol. Tne new Lightworker!

#24 | Posted by nullifidian

I'll take the glowing optimist trying to better things over the miserable, sneering burnout any day.

#27 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-08 11:50 AM | Reply

--The 85-year old Ralph Nader.

Yeah I saw Ralph Nader in the late 70s at an anti-nuke rally staged at the Hollywood Bowl. It was a real hippie-fest; bands playing, joints being passed around, eco-freaks handing out leaflets for every nutty cause imaginable. A very fun day.

#28 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-08 11:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'll take the glowing optimist trying to better things over the miserable, sneering burnout any day.
#27 | POSTED BY JPW

Thats what all Stalinist say.

#29 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-08 11:54 AM | Reply

Maybe she should consult her new BFF Hillary for campaign advice.

#30 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-08 11:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You know who thinks the beef industry is the #1 contributor of carbon emissions

And he'd be wrong .... In 2015, cement/clinker generated around 2.8bn tonnes of CO2, equivalent to 8% of the global total " a greater share than any country other than China or the US.

The protest against Beef, is more feel good, brainwashing.

#31 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-08 12:02 PM | Reply

--You know who thinks the beef industry is the #1 contributor of carbon emissions contributing to climate change?

The 85-year old Ralph Nader."


Nader has always been an uptight sourpuss. He would have been happy as a monk renouncing all worldly goods. He's one of these new eco-puritans who have a "haunting fear that someone, somewhere, is having a good time." Those luddites would prefer we all live like the Amish.

#32 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-08 12:07 PM | Reply

The protest against Beef, is more feel good, brainwashing.

#31 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

Yeah, you're colon feels better, among many other things that are improved according to the facts.

#33 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-08 12:10 PM | Reply

Nader has always been an uptight sourpuss. He would have been happy as a monk renouncing all worldly goods. He's one of these new eco-puritans who have a "haunting fear that someone, somewhere, is having a good time." Those luddites would prefer we all live like the Amish.

#32 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Nader isn't a luddite, he embraces technology but doesn't waste time using it as entertainment -- big difference.

Being a Monk? I characterized his work ethic as being laser-focused -- he enjoys his work, he is rightfully seen as role model.

#34 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-08 12:15 PM | Reply

Sanders and Warren's politics are virtually identical, and their polling totals combine to tie or beat Biden. You have to think if one drops out, most of their supporters would go to the other and form an immediate threat to Biden's candidacy.

One of them should drop out, and i like Bernie better than Warren, but it doesn't really make a difference to me. I think it's unfortunate the left hasn't produced an authentic, Bernie-esque candidate who's, say, 50 years okd instead of 70+. The electorate would be so much more motivated by someone with the energy and engagement factor of a guy like O'Rourke with the politics and authenticity of someone like Sanders. Why doesn't this person exist?

#35 | Posted by JOE at 2019-09-08 12:19 PM | Reply

Yeah I saw Ralph Nader in the late 70s at an anti-nuke rally staged at the Hollywood Bowl. It was a real hippie-fest; bands playing, joints being passed around, eco-freaks handing out leaflets for every nutty cause imaginable. A very fun day.

#28 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Cool -- you know who else did the Hollywood Bowl?

Generals George Patton and Jimmy Doolittle ... www.youtube.com

Just the thought of Ralph Nader, George Patton, and Jimmy Doolittle being in the exact same spot cracks me up to no end.

#36 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-08 12:52 PM | Reply

"Sanders and Warren's politics are virtually identical, and their polling totals combine to tie or beat Biden. You have to think if one drops out, most of their supporters would go to the other and form an immediate threat to Biden's candidacy."

The mistake you're making here is assuming that most voters are motivated by policies. Just as many if not more people are attracted to (or repelled by) candidates based on their personalities or associations with other people. I think many Warren supporters were Clinton voters who hated Bernie last time, and many Bernie supporters are for him and only him.

Personality-wise, I think both Sanders and Warren come across as taking themselves way too seriously, which would be off-putting in the general election.

#37 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-09-08 01:59 PM | Reply

#37 That's a fair point. Still, at least some of the Sanders/Warren contingent is motivated by policy and would go from one to the other were a candidate to drop out. Additionally, an endorsement by one of the other would help bring some of those motivated by personality over to the other candidate.

If the RCP average is to be trusted, Sanders and Warren account for 35.5% of the DNC electorate to Biden's 29.7%. Thus, even with some voters dropping off due to the factors you cited, i still think one of these candidates dropping out and endorsing the other would make the remainer a formidable opponent to Biden.

#38 | Posted by JOE at 2019-09-08 02:20 PM | Reply

#35

I think Gabbard comes pretty close to fitting that bill, aside from being younger.

She's genuine, polite and pretty hot to boot. Not as wishy washy as sanders, which would broaden her appeal with moderates. I find it frustrating how much effort is put forward to present her as not a serious candidate.

#39 | Posted by Ottodog at 2019-09-08 06:46 PM | Reply

Thats what all Stalinist say.

#29 | Posted by AndreaMackris

Yeah, you know me. I'm a raging Stalinist.

Idiot.

#40 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-08 09:38 PM | Reply

JPW,

I agree with your 40.

But you've watched folks on this place, myself included, called a racist, whites supremacist, nazi, fascist, in the EXACT same fashion you just got referred to as a Stalinist.

Keep that in mind when you're complaining about nulli, goat, and Andrea.

#41 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-08 09:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Keep that in mind when you're complaining about nulli, goat, and Andrea.

Awww, did JustPlainWorthless take offense at being called a Stalinist?

Nut up, Buttercup.

#42 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-08 09:53 PM | Reply

"But you've watched folks on this place, myself included, called a racist, whites supremacist, nazi, fascist, in the EXACT same fashion you just got referred to as a Stalinist."

Eberly a Nazi?
That's faux outrageous!

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-08 09:54 PM | Reply

That's what I say about Sander's proposal to tax beef and pay for 3rd world abortions to combat "climate change."

#17 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-07 09:34 PM

You know he never said that.

He was asked by a young woman asked an insane question actually it was several questions and one of them was about using abortion to cut third world populations to curb climate change she also asked him a few other things about abortion.

Bernie answered he believes woman reproductions rights are worldwide rights and that when woman have reproduction rights populations tend to start falling.

he did not advocate using abortion to help fight global warming stop lying about that

#44 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-09-08 10:31 PM | Reply

#41 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Newsworthy. JPW ignores the ad hominem attacks and exaggerated accusations.

Also ignores certain disturbed individuals rape fetish posts, calling them "troll posts".

#45 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-09-08 11:41 PM | Reply

Awww, did JustPlainWorthless take offense at being called a Stalinist?

Nut up, Buttercup.
#42 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

I clarified the record.

And didn't expect anybody to swoop in and rescue me.

Just like you "big boys" should be able to do when called racist.

Also, I'll add when you support a racist POTUS and their actions it's not much of a leap to assume you're racist. Show me where I've exoressed support for soshulizm, whether it be true or our newly branded kind, and I'll gladly retract.

And just plain worthless? LOL the butthurt is strong in this one.

#46 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-09 08:39 AM | Reply

Newsworthy. JPW ignores the ad hominem attacks and exaggerated accusations.

If by newsworthy you mean whiny.

Funny how calling out the schitt posting from three people has made some such whiny children.

"LEAVE GOATMAN ALONE!!!"

#47 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-09 08:41 AM | Reply

Sanders and Warren's politics are virtually identical, and their polling totals combine to tie or beat Biden. You have to think if one drops out, most of their supporters would go to the other and form an immediate threat to Biden's candidacy....

#35 | POSTED BY JOE

Yes. I've been saying this for a few weeks. They are dividing the left-side of the Democratic Party all-but ensuring a Biden victory.

If the 2 of them are smart, this is what they should do:

Warren drops out and Sanders taps her for veep and promises if he wins he will only govern for 1 term. I think that would be a great compromise that would work for both of them.

#48 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-09-09 09:30 AM | Reply

I think Gabbard comes pretty close to fitting that bill

She doesn't have anywhere near the authenticity of Sanders, considering she used to oppose gay marriage and sided with an authoritarian like Assad. She strikes me as a progressive out of convenience and opportunism, but i'd certainly take her over Biden.

#49 | Posted by JOE at 2019-09-09 10:30 AM | Reply

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