Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Monday, September 09, 2019

On Saturday, the conservative Wall Street Journal editorial board blasted President Donald Trump for kneecapping the U.S. economy with an open-ended, sweeping trade war - and warned that the "trade uncertainty principle" is wiping out the economic gains of the previous few years.

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Wow. Almost as if Trump's policies have gotten him into trouble.

#1 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-08 09:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

But the economy is doing great! Best EVA!

#2 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-08 11:07 AM | Reply

I hate Trump and want him out as POTUS asap.

That said, if the WSJ editorial board is bitching about Trump's trade policies, then good -- I hope they kill each other.

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#3 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-08 11:16 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

At least China's exports keep declining. Good thing, unless you are a lib who worries about a pair of shoes costing $5 more made by slave labor in the country with creates the most pollution and has a dismal human rights record. Then you are pissed.

#4 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-08 06:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

What if you're a conservative who worries about a pair of shoes costing $5 more made by slave labor in the country with creates the most pollution and has a dismal human rights record?

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-08 07:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"unless you are a lib who worries about a pair of shoes costing $5 more made by slave labor in the country with creates the most pollution and has a dismal human rights record. "

Yeah Goatliar, as if I haven't been complaining about exactly that for decades right here. Us libs were speaking up about Nike 20 years ago. Where were you then? Laughable post. That's what long term posting history sets you up for. For me, I don't need history, I still have memory (for who knows how long though).

#6 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-09 07:45 AM | Reply

What is really significant is that Goat talks about $5.00 shoes. Where are $5.00 shoes? No, we're talking about $150.00 shoes manufactured overseas for $3.00. Why do you think they outsource? Profit. Huge profit.

#7 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-09 07:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Wow I'm surprised this thread has gotten so little attention! /s

#8 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-09 10:00 AM | Reply

Liberals have already proven they can't see past their own nose. Their short-sightedness is the only problem here. How about we put this in terms you can understand based on something you vehemently defend today...anthropogenic climate change.

See, there are people who are doing things that release dangerous gases in our environment. These gasses are hurting our climate, and the people. In order to stop that from happening, we have to fight against those people. Since the effects have taken decades to really cause visible change, fighting it has been tough because people are short-sighted...mainly business Republicans of many nations in the world who tend to look at today's climate and not the climate as a whole, past and present.

See, there are people in China who are doing dangerous things that take advantage of our country's economic status, allowing them to prosper positively by impacting us negatively. In order to stop that from happening, we have to fight against those policies and trade practices. Since the effects have taken decades to really cause visible impacts, fighting it has been tough because people are short-sighted...mainly Liberals who look at only today's economy and not the economy as a whole, past and present.

It's the same situation, only different topics. And yet both sides reverse themselves solely because of politics. The worst part is both sides will completely fight against the issue above that applies to them and still blame everything on the other side, and find as many ways as they can to try to prove the two situations are different.

#9 | Posted by humtake at 2019-09-09 12:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

A few points:

1. Leave it to Raw Story to completely cherry pick an article from a source they revile to make their point for political gain -- even the WSJ Editorial Board notes, at the start of the article which is entitled "The Trade Uncertainty Principle" that:

"The President is right that many in the media are cheerleading bad economic news for political reasons. They want him to lose." The Board later goes on to say "many outlets will deliberately misinterpret Trade Uncertainty data to fit their political agenda".

Raw Story certainly makes their point for them.

2. The article is about the TUP and how a trade war will cause uncertainty in global markets and in manufacturing, the latter of which is causing problems for the "goods producing economy" and depressing economic gains globally. USTR Robert Lighthizer noted at the start that this would happen and it is, and the WSJ echoed those concerns at around the same time. This is not unexpected but they are both correct that isn't helping the global economy.

3. The tweet link after the thread summary is not from the WSJ Editorial Board, it is an Op-Ed from Robert Zollick, who was the President of the World Bank and championed China's ascension to the WTO and a Yuge proponent of building up China. He was also US Trade Representative under W and was the one who claimed that freeing Iraq would create "an economic powerhouse" that would rival Saudi Arabia. He has been harshly critical of the Trade War from the start because it will unravel most of the work he has overseen to lift China onto the WTO. Accordingly, it is not a shock that he has been constantly writing Op-Eds for papers around the world supporting his views.

The war of words will continue on all sides until this is wrapped up, it appears as of now that the negotiators are hoping to have something done before the next annual Politburo meeting in late October.

#10 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-09 12:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

At least China's exports keep declining. Good thing, unless you are a lib who worries about a pair of shoes costing $5 more made by slave labor in the country with creates the most pollution and has a dismal human rights record. Then you are pissed.

#4 | Posted by goatman

If a democrat had enacted tariffs you'd be screaming that it's a tax increase and an attack on the poorest americans.

A republican con man does it and therefore he's standing up for the working class.

#11 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-09 01:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The President is right that many in the media are cheerleading bad economic news for political reasons. They want him to lose."

Hold up a second.
There's bad economic news?
Under Trump?

Fake News Alert!

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-09 02:40 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#11

I can't speak for Goat but I don't care who is POTUS, this had to be done. China has been robbing us blind through forced tech transfer and their technology "initiatives" (i.e. cybercrime) and it needs to stop.

It will be interesting to see what, if anything, comes from the next set of talks, both China and Trump need a win but it will be interesting to see what further concessions come at this point from either side.

A SCMP article today said that China has agreed to about 80% of US demands but will not agree to a number of key provisions as infringing on their sovereignty:

"China has already agreed to 80 per cent of demands for a trade deal, but the final portion of Washington's demands are seen by Beijing as an infringement on its sovereignty, said Jin Canrong, an international relations professor at Renmin University of China in Beijing, on his social media account.

Canrong believes the odds are "between 60 and 70 per cent" that China and the US can reach a trade deal by the time Xi and Trump are likely to meet at the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit in Chile, but only if the US can lower or even drop certain demands.

According to Jin, who did not reveal the source of his information but is known to be well-connected in Beijing, the final 20 per cent includes completely abandoning the "Made in China 2025" industrial policy programme, a plan to cut the share of the state in the overall economy from 38 per cent to 20 per cent, as well as an implementing an enforcement check mechanism that would allow the US to dig into the books of different levels of the Chinese government.

"The Politburo would never agree to these terms," Jin said, referring to China's supreme decision-making body. "It would be forfeiting sovereignty and humiliating the nation."

#13 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-09 03:09 PM | Reply

"China has been robbing us blind through forced tech transfer and their technology "initiatives" (i.e. cybercrime) and it needs to stop."

Us?

Unless we're all shareholders in companies that volunteered their tech to China, we didn't get robbed of anything.

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-09 03:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#14

They are also stealing it through hacking US Gov and Companies. You cool with that?

#15 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-09 04:02 PM | Reply

Xi getting elected for life gave him a lot of leverage here. He knows Trump is desperate to win re-election (even more than your average president due to his narcissism and the fact that he might be indicted when he leaves office), so Trump is a lot more desperate to bring home anything that can be called a "win" even if it isn't one. Xi can just run out the clock and watch Trump negotiate against himself and, in the end, the American interest.

#16 | Posted by JOE at 2019-09-09 04:03 PM | Reply

The trade war isn't trump's dumbest policy. Yes something needed to be done about china, but trump is a moron and is of course doing this in the dumbest way.

But it's nowhere near as dumb as his policies of destroying the environment to prove his masculinity or mortgaging our future to give tax cuts for the rich. Those policies will be far more fiscally harmful in the long run than this trade war. But the WSJ doesn't give a damn about that.

#17 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-09 04:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"US Gov and Companies"

There's that retarded conflation again!

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-09 04:22 PM | Reply

"They are also stealing it through hacking US Gov"

Russian influences our elections, we influence Russian elections.
Your entire political party is cool with that.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-09 04:24 PM | Reply

"If a democrat had enacted tariffs you'd be screaming that it's a tax increase and an attack on the poorest americans.
A republican con man does it and therefore he's standing up for the working class.

#11 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY "

Speculation is a logical fallacy. And as always that and name calling are all you ever have.

#20 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-09 06:05 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Speculation is a logical fallacy. And as always that and name calling are all you ever have.

#20 | Posted by goatman

It would be speculation if your party hadn't already demonstrated massive hypocrisy in order to defend every thing trump does.

Remember how furious they were with obama playing golf? I guess that was just because golf courses are for white presidents.

#21 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-09 06:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Speaks,

I've always opposed tariffs. Always.

#22 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-09-09 06:22 PM | Reply

"I've always opposed tariffs. Always.
#22 | POSTED BY JEFFJ "

I used to be against them until now. China is getting away with murder and our last four presidents have done nothing but enable them. I was even against the tarrifs when Trump first enacteed them. But now I see that they are hurting China and forcing their hand, I'm changing my mind.

#23 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-09 06:25 PM | Reply

#23. Goat,

I do agree that China has gotten away with economic murder for well over a decade. I'm not sure that tariffs are the best way to deal with that but I do agree that dealing with this is long overdue. W and Obama sat on their hands and did absolutely nothing.

#24 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-09-09 06:30 PM | Reply

Obama sat on their hands and did absolutely nothing.

#24 | Posted by JeffJ

Obama negotiated the TPP which was a weapon for an ALLIANCE of countries to affect china's behavior.

Trump tore it up thinking he could do it alone because he's too stupid to see how stupid he is.

#25 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-09 06:39 PM | Reply

TRRRRUUUUUMMMMMPPPP!

-Khan Noonian Shreek

#26 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-09 06:43 PM | Reply

--Obama negotiated the TPP

Which was opposed by your hero, Bernie Sanders.

#27 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-09 06:45 PM | Reply

Which was opposed by your hero, Bernie Sanders.

#27 | Posted by nullifidian

My hero? I need a link for that.

#28 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-09 06:52 PM | Reply

TRRRRUUUUUMMMMMPPPP!

-Khan Noonian Shreek

#26 | Posted by Rightocenter

Sorry what's this thread about again?

Moron.

#29 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-09 06:52 PM | Reply

"China is getting away with murder"

Serious question:

What are some of the ongoing cutthroat trade deals that China is getting away with murder on, and how specifically have the tariffs impacted their ability to keep getting away with it?

Link, podcast, whatever.

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-09 07:18 PM | Reply

"What are some of the ongoing cutthroat trade deals that China is getting away with murder on,"

None. taking intellectual property is not part of any trade deal.

#31 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-09 07:30 PM | Reply

Tell that to American Superconductor.

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-09 09:17 PM | Reply

#32

Good job making my point in #15.

Thanks Obama!

#33 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-09 09:29 PM | Reply

@#33 ... Thanks Obama! ...

Why do you say that?

(just curious)

#34 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-09-09 09:39 PM | Reply

Why do you say that?

(just curious)

#34 | Posted by LampLighter

Because he and all repubs have obama tourettes. Obama is responsible for everything bad. Even things that started before he was born.

#35 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-09 09:43 PM | Reply

Why do you say that?

Because it was very well publicized in 2011, the Obama Administration was actually called out for doing nothing about it by NPR (among other news agencies) and official spokespeople for the Obama Administration said that it was a "civil matter."

#36 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-09 09:49 PM | Reply

#35

Once again, Shreekshysteria jerks his knee right into his own face.

Well done, I guess.

#37 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-09 09:49 PM | Reply

@#36 ... Because it was very well publicized in 2011, the Obama Administration was actually called out for doing nothing about it by NPR (among other news agencies) and official spokespeople for the Obama Administration said that it was a "civil matter." ...

Did you ever ponder why the Obama administration might have taken a hands off approach toward deals that US companies were making with China, deals that essentially were forced transfers of technology?

Perhaps the US companies realized that the China market could be three to five times larger than the US market, and the US companies were OK with settling for a part of that huge market instead of having no part of it at all?

Maybe the US companies told the Obama administration not to upset the gravy train they had?

After all, we all know that the Obama administration were merely pawns of Wall Street and the corporate world.

#38 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-09-09 10:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Did you ever ponder why...

Perhaps the US companies realized...

Maybe the US companies told the Obama administration...

Maybe you quietly support globalization but don't want to admit it because it is counter to the "corporations bad" Narrative?

Of course these things happened in some degree (100% disagree that the "US Companies were OK" with giving away their technology) but that still reflects incredibly poorly on the Obama Administration.

At least Trump doesn't give a fcck about what those "US Companies" think in their own self interest.

#39 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-10 12:02 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Once again, Shreekshysteria jerks his knee right into his own face.

Well done, I guess.

#37 | Posted by Rightocenter

Once again, ROC holds obama accountable for doing the same thing every other president has done. Gosh what could the difference possibly be between obama and all the other presidents? What made him so different? Hmmm.....

#40 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-10 01:12 PM | Reply

Once again, ROC holds obama accountable for doing the same thing every other president has done.

Thanks for making my point for me.

You should put some ice on your nose, I think your knee broke it.

#41 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-10 01:23 PM | Reply

Thanks for making my point for me.

#41 | Posted by Rightocenter

Oh i didn't realize your point was that obama should be held to a higher standard than every other president.

#42 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-10 01:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#42

Thanks for proving you missed my point completely.

#43 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-10 02:06 PM | Reply

"Good job making my point in #15."

That case was settled in a court of law, with Sinovel paying damages to AMSC.
That's how business normally works.
I don't see the problem.

So I'll ask again:
What are some of these trade murders that China is getting away with?
Link, podcast, anything.

#44 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-10 02:15 PM | Reply

Thanks for proving you missed my point completely.

#43 | Posted by Rightocenter

I dont know what point you were TRYING to make, but that's the point you ended up making.

#45 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-10 02:25 PM | Reply

That case was settled in a court of law, with Sinovel paying damages to AMSC.
That's how business normally works.
I don't see the problem.

They stole source code and as a Chinese Govt owned entity that source code is now gone into the ChiCom machine.

You don't see that as a problem?

#46 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-10 03:07 PM | Reply

I dont know what point you were TRYING to make

Obviously.

#47 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-10 03:08 PM | Reply

"You don't see that as a problem?"

I see it as a problem that was remedied in the courts, which is mostly why we have courts in the first place.
Wall Street saw it as a problem for AMSC and adjusted the share price accordingly.

I see the system working exactly as it should.
Is the system the problem?

Where, exactly, did things run afoul, and why wasn't it when AMSC trusted China with their secrets?
If I loaned you money, and you didn't pay it back, who's stupid, you or me?

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-10 03:12 PM | Reply

#48

God you are an idiot:

Massachusetts-based American Superconductor seemed to be riding high in early 2011, reaping strong sales and even praise from the White House for successfully cracking the Asian import markets.

Then, one day that April, employees were called to a meeting where they heard some very disturbing news.

Their largest customer, Beijing-based Sinovel, which provided three-quarters of the company's revenue, had refused to accept a shipment of electronic components for its wind turbines " and wouldn't pay millions of dollars it owed for them. The reasons it gave were ambiguous.

Within weeks, the company concluded that Sinovel had somehow obtained the source code for its electronic components and was installing a pirated version in the wind turbines it sold.

"American Superconductor provided sort of the brains of the turbines, so if Sinovel could do it themselves, using cheaper components, yeah, they could produce these turbines more cheaply," says Assistant U.S. Attorney Timothy O'Shea, who would later prosecute Sinovel in federal court.

American Superconductor's CEO, Daniel McGahn, says what happened didn't come as a complete surprise " he knew that intellectual property theft was always a big risk when doing business in China. But the components sold by American Superconductor featured sophisticated encryption technology, and the company was pretty sure that no one at Sinovel could have cracked its source code.

Instead, someone at American Superconductor had to have illegally leaked its technology.

A 2013 indictment alleged that an engineer at the company's Austrian subsidiary, Dejan Karabasevic, was given a multi-year contract worth $1.7 million by Sinovel to steal his employer's trade secrets. The money essentially doubled his salary, the indictment said.

"If you look at what the executives of the Chinese company made, they're offering him more money than they make themselves. And they're not doing that because they want him to be a consultant. They want him to steal," McGahn says.

Sinovel also said that no evidence existed that Karabasevic had taken the source code without authorization, and that the Massachusetts company had failed to take adequate steps to protect its source code.

Still, a federal jury in Wisconsin found Sinovel guilty of stealing trade secrets on Jan. 24.

Even as it struggled to survive, American Superconductor was fighting back against Sinovel, taking its complaints about the theft to the Chinese government, part-owner of Sinovel. Nothing happened, McGahn says. The company also complained to the Obama administration and Congress, who did nothing.

McGahn is sometimes asked by other executives about the Chinese market. He tells them China is a trap.

"The rules are set up in a way that the local brands will win," he says. "Participation in the Chinese market is for Chinese companies only. Your participation as a Western company, at least to date, is a mirage. They're there to bring you in, be able to figure a way to harvest whatever they can from you, and then spit you out when you're no longer useful."

It Was A Company With A Lot Of Promise. Then A Chinese Customer Stole Its Technology

#49 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-10 03:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Their largest customer, Beijing-based Sinovel, which provided three-quarters of the company's revenue"

Management failure: Relying on nnearly a single source of revenue.

"Within weeks, the company concluded that Sinovel had somehow obtained the source code for its electronic components and was installing a pirated version in the wind turbines it sold."

Management failure: Trusting China.

"he knew that intellectual property theft was always a big risk when doing business in China."

Exactly.
He knew the risks, he did it anyway.

How is this stealing from America?
How is this not how business is supposed to work?

This is what keeps leeches like you employed.

#50 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-10 03:52 PM | Reply

"The rules are set up in a way that the local brands will win," he says. "Participation in the Chinese market is for Chinese companies only. Your participation as a Western company, at least to date, is a mirage. They're there to bring you in, be able to figure a way to harvest whatever they can from you, and then spit you out when you're no longer useful."

And yet you did business with them anyway.
And that's China's fault, according to right-wingers.

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-10 03:58 PM | Reply

"McGahn is sometimes asked by other executives about the Chinese market. He tells them China is a trap."

But the other CEOs won't listen, so right-wingers are clamoring for government to protect CEOs from their own short-sighted behavior.

Well, I suppose it makes sense, once you realize that Capitalism is a government program.

But don't try and tell me it's about protecting America. It's about protecting companies like AMSC from their own short-sightedness.

#52 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-10 04:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Why are you trying to deflect from the fact that a Chinese owned company stole source code?

Are you a Chinese agent?

#53 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-10 05:23 PM | Reply

"Why are you trying to deflect from the fact that a Chinese owned company stole source code?"

I'm not deflecting from that one bit.
Stealing source code is the sort of thing we sort out in the courts.
What's the problem?

#54 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-10 05:29 PM | Reply

Why are you trying to deflect from the fact that AMSC, which is not America, provided a Chinese owned company with their source code?

#55 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-10 05:30 PM | Reply

And, why are you trying to paint fact that AMSC, which is not America, provided a Chinese owned company with their source code, as a problem for America?

#56 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-10 05:31 PM | Reply

#56

Not playing your game.

A company partially owned by the Chinese Government stole source code from a US company.

That is tech theft by a State sponsored entity.

You are obviously okay with that.

#57 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-10 05:49 PM | Reply

"I sometimes lay awake at night all worried about how that "US Company" lost its source code and what it means financially for them"

- said not a single American with real responsibilities

#58 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-09-10 06:01 PM | Reply

"You are obviously okay with that."

LOL.
AMSC CEO Daniel McGahn was obviously okay with the risk of that happening to his company, when he trusted China with his IP.
Stop being a moron.

#59 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-10 06:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

He didn't "trust China with his IP", China paid an employee to steal the source code for them.

Learn to read, it will make your posts more accurate.

"A 2013 indictment alleged that an engineer at the company's Austrian subsidiary, Dejan Karabasevic, was given a multi-year contract worth $1.7 million by Sinovel to steal his employer's trade secrets. The money essentially doubled his salary, the indictment said."

You can't just "get" source code, it is usually kept under lock and key.

Stop being a moron.

#60 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-10 06:20 PM | Reply

"A 2013 indictment alleged that an engineer at the company's Austrian subsidiary, Dejan Karabasevic, was given a multi-year contract worth $1.7 million by Sinovel to steal his employer's trade secrets."

I agree that American Superconductor is the victim of corporate espionage, which hammered their share price.

But you still haven't explained how this makes America the victim of anything.

Can yo do that for me, or is it just an article of faith for you?

#61 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-10 06:26 PM | Reply

#61

So now you agree that a State sponsored actor did in fact steal tech?

I guess that is a start.

#62 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-10 06:28 PM | Reply

But you still haven't explained how this makes America the victim of anything.

An American company, with proprietary technology, gets it stolen from a State sponsored company, almost wiping out a company and hundreds of American jobs and you can't see how that hurts America?

Stop being a moron.

#63 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-10 06:30 PM | Reply

"So now you agree that a State sponsored actor did in fact steal tech?"

Is this something a CEO should have foreseen as a potential risk or not, RightOCenter?

#64 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-10 06:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So what if we lost American jobs, American taxes, American exports, American technology...

-Chairman Snoofmao

#65 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-10 06:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#64

You tell me, you are the China cheerleader here.

#66 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-10 06:32 PM | Reply

"almost wiping out a company and hundreds of American jobs and you can't see how that hurts America?"

That happens all the time in business.
In fact, much of American business over the past 40 years has been the business of offshoring American jobs to reduce labor costs.

I guess some jobs are more equal than others.

#67 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-10 06:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Is this something a CEO should have foreseen as a potential risk or not, RightOCenter?"

"You tell me, you are the China cheerleader here."

You mean you don't know???
Holy ---- dude.
Is it safe to assume you're not in IP law?

#68 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-10 06:34 PM | Reply

"So what if we lost American jobs, American taxes, American exports, American technology..."

Jack Welch called, he wants his legacy back.

#69 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-10 06:34 PM | Reply

"So what if we lost American jobs, American taxes, American exports, American technology...
-Chairman Snoofmao

#65 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER "

Not to mention supporting a country that has a dismal human rights record, harvests and sells organs of political prisoners, uses slave and child labor and pollutes the planet more than any other country in the world.

China loves you and your ilk, snoofy!

#70 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-10 06:36 PM | Reply

"Not to mention supporting a country that has a dismal human rights record"

That would be what AMSC did, when they partnered with Sinovel.
I suppose AMSC shareholders did it too, by proxy.
So, what's wrong with punishing them, exactly?

#71 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-10 06:38 PM | Reply

"That would be what AMSC did, when they partnered with Sinovel.
I suppose AMSC shareholders did it too, by proxy.
So, what's wrong with punishing them, exactly?

#71 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

It's also what you are doing now, Senor Defleccion.

I see you fail to address that and jump straight into the snoofygames (tm) silly question to deflect.

I don't fall for your ----, snoofy. Learn this.

#72 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-10 06:41 PM | Reply

American companies that choose to partner with a country that has a dismal human rights record, harvests and sells organs of political prisoners, uses slave and child labor and pollutes the planet more than any other country in the world....

Need to be protected from a country that has a dismal human rights record, harvests and sells organs of political prisoners, uses slave and child labor and pollutes the planet more than any other country in the world!

#73 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-10 06:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

There's more actual Chinese communist-coddlers on the retort than there were ever russian sympathizers.

#74 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-10 06:47 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 2

SnoofMao loves him some tech theft!

#75 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-10 06:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Maybe JTosseRigelSekkekaiMain is SnoofMao's sock puppet.

#76 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-10 06:50 PM | Reply

"SnoofMao loves him some tech theft!"

If stealing IP is worth more than the penalty of stealing IP, then it's the smart Capitalist play.

#77 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-10 06:51 PM | Reply

"Need to be protected from a country that has a dismal human rights record, harvests and sells organs of political prisoners, uses slave and child labor and pollutes the planet more than any other country in the world!

#73 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

Exactly. Thank you Trump for doing this, and thank you too, snoofy for understanding this.

#78 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-10 06:56 PM | Reply

#77

Except it was the smart Communist play, which you are cheering on.

#79 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-10 06:57 PM | Reply

Exactly.
"Party of Personal Responsibility."

#80 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-10 06:58 PM | Reply

I expect the Chinese communists to deploy an army of internet trolls to throw the election to the Democrats.

#81 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-10 06:59 PM | Reply

#81

SnoofMao is already working on his disinformation claim.

#82 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-10 07:00 PM | Reply

"Except it was the smart Communist play, which you are cheering on."

It was nearly pure-play capitalism.
Find your mark, then bribe him to get what you want.
He did it for MONEY, not for allegiance to the State.

#83 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-10 07:00 PM | Reply

"I expect the Chinese communists to deploy an army of internet trolls to throw the election to the Democrats."

Thanks, Citizens United!

#84 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-10 07:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I expect the Chinese communists to deploy an army of internet trolls to throw the election to the Democrats.

#81 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN "

I expect them to deploy billions of thumb sized Chinese around the world ala Vonnegut's "Slapstick"

#85 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-10 07:09 PM | Reply

"Is China Trying to Elect a Democrat?"
www.powerlineblog.com

Is water wet?

#86 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-10 07:13 PM | Reply

Snoofy's had too much to sniffy.

#87 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-09-10 07:28 PM | Reply

"Snoofy's had too much to sniffy.

#87 | POSTED BY LEE_THE_AGENT "

Snoofy gets a ------ from skivvy sniffy.

#88 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-10 07:32 PM | Reply

"Need to be protected from a country that has a dismal human rights record, harvests and sells organs of political prisoners, uses slave and child labor and pollutes the planet more than any other country in the world!
#73 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

Exactly. Thank you Trump for doing this, and thank you too, snoofy for understanding this.
#78 | POSTED BY GOATMAN"

Exactly wrong.
Trump isn't trying to punish China for human rights abuses, organ sales, etc.
Trump is trying to punish China for things like what Sinovel did to AMSC: Intellectual property theft.

#89 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-10 10:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Trump is trying to punish China for things like what Sinovel did to AMSC: Intellectual property theft.
#89 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-09-10 10:18 PM "

Did he tell you that?

#90 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-10 10:20 PM | Reply

"Did he tell you that?"

He sure did!
twitter.com

For many years China (and many other countries) has been taking advantage of the United States on Trade, Intellectual Property Theft, and much more. Our Country has been losing HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS a year to China, with no end in sight....

#91 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-10 10:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Sorry, the Presidential Tweetstorm got clipped:

twitter.com

For many years China (and many other countries) has been taking advantage of the United States on Trade, Intellectual Property Theft, and much more. Our Country has been losing HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS a year to China, with no end in sight....
....Sadly, past Administrations have allowed China to get so far ahead of Fair and Balanced Trade that it has become a great burden to the American Taxpayer. As President, I can no longer allow this to happen! In the spirit of achieving Fair Trade, we must Balance this very....
...unfair Trading Relationship. China should not have put new Tariffs on 75 BILLION DOLLARS of United States product (politically motivated!). Starting on October 1st, the 250 BILLION DOLLARS of goods and products from China, currently being taxed at 25%, will be taxed at 30%...
...Additionally, the remaining 300 BILLION DOLLARS of goods and products from China, that was being taxed from September 1st at 10%, will now be taxed at 15%. Thank you for your attention to this matter!

#92 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-10 10:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Thank you for your attention to this matter, Goatman!

#93 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-10 10:34 PM | Reply

"#93 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-09-10 10:34 PM "

I did not see a single word backing up your claim, "Trump isn't trying to punish China for human rights abuses, organ sales, etc."

However, I did see a lot of words in three different posts deflecting from that, snoofygames (tm).

I'm not in the mood for snoofygames (tm) right now. No offense.

#94 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-10 10:38 PM | Reply

China needs to treat its political prisoners well and Trump needs to be careful with tariffs.

I'm a smoker,a drinker and have used most of the drugs on the planet extensively over a long life and hope to buy cheap organs at my local Walmart fresh and cheap.

#95 | Posted by bruceaz at 2019-09-10 10:39 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Back up your claim with Trump's words, like I did, Goatman.
Then we can talk.

#96 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-10 10:41 PM | Reply

LOL, the China Coddler is still at it.

Tell us again how a State owned company paying someone to steal source code isn't espionage.

#97 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-10 11:12 PM | Reply

"Tell us again how a State owned company paying someone to steal source code isn't espionage."

Doesn't even matter. Whatever reason Watergate is called a burglary, not espionage, pencil me in for that. I'm fine with calling it corporate espionage, if that helps.

Call it what you like/
Espionage, corporate espionage, whatever.
Tell me how tariffs are supposed to stop it.

Connect those dots for me, because I'm not seeing it.

#98 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-11 12:33 AM | Reply

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