Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Monday, September 09, 2019

In a previously undisclosed secret mission in 2017, the United States successfully extracted from Russia one of its highest-level covert sources inside the Russian government, multiple Trump administration officials with direct knowledge told CNN. A person directly involved in the discussions said that the removal of the Russian was driven, in part, by concerns that President Donald Trump and his administration repeatedly mishandled classified intelligence and could contribute to exposing the covert source as a spy.

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"#KAG2020 should be #KGB2020":

Chris "Cal" Carnahan @xtrixcyclex

Retweeted CNN Politics
This story has at least five divergent sources confirming it. Trump disasterously degraded our national security. #KAG2020 should be #KGB2020 the way Trump helps Putin and harm America. It's hard to see how a trained Kremlin spy would do better for Russia than useful idiot Trump.

#1 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-09 11:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

John Sipher @john_sipher

Do President Trump's actions to hamstring our intelligence community constitute obstruction? He is doing everything he can (it seems) to insure we don't collect information from Russia. If the Trump campaign colluded, the answers are in Russia.

#2 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-09 11:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Another "burn the house down" article based on reckless fabrication.

FTA:

"Asked for comment, Brittany Bramell, the CIA director of public affairs, told CNN: "CNN's narrative that the Central Intelligence Agency makes life-or-death decisions based on anything other than objective analysis and sound collection is simply false. Misguided speculation that the President's handling of our nation's most sensitive intelligence"which he has access to each and every day"drove an alleged exfiltration operation is inaccurate."
A spokesperson for Secretary of State Mike Pompeo declined to comment. White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham said, "CNN's reporting is not only incorrect, it has the potential to put lives in danger.""

These "news" orgs are actively working towards the destruction of America.

All because She lost an election.

#3 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-09-09 12:05 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 5

Headline LOL. So did Russia didn't get pregnant?

#4 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2019-09-09 02:32 PM | Reply

A person directly involved in the discussions said that the removal of the Russian was driven, in part, by concerns that President Donald Trump and his administration repeatedly mishandled classified intelligence and could contribute to exposing the covert source as a spy.

What an incredibly sad state of affairs

#5 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-09 02:34 PM | Reply

PS - Valerie Plame is running for Congress in NM-3.

Great ad! : www.youtube.com

#6 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-09 02:35 PM | Reply

"These "news" orgs are actively working towards the destruction of America."

The Free Press Is The Enemy OF The State.

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-09 02:37 PM | Reply

#3 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

You're right. I'm sure all those sources and documents are lying and the President's hand picked CIA Director of Public Affairs is telling us the truth.

Who is Brittany Bramell?

She was the press secretary John Boehner. Then she worked for the GOP in California. Then she was a Republican communications specialist for Graham in 2016. Then she was working for Uber. Then she was assistant administration to public affairs for the Transportation Security Administration under Trump because she was good friends with Lindsey Graham. And then she became the CIA Director of Public Affairs...because of her stunning lack of background in intelligence.

Damn, you really will believe ANYTHING Trump tells you!

#8 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-09-09 02:43 PM | Reply

"These "news" orgs are actively working towards the destruction of America."

Joke just lies about CNN and he is full of garbage. If there is one poster here who I would never believe it is Joke.

#9 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-09 02:48 PM | Reply

"She was the press secretary John Boehner."

Pot boy?

#10 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-09-09 03:05 PM | Reply

While this is not about the 2016 election, it is really about the BS that the people in charge of the Government pulled during the election. This is to head off AG Barr and FP Durham in their investigation. Link? Do not have one. Pure speculation on my part. I will make my decision on whom I will vote for based on who the Democrats put up and if Nadler is really able to deliver the goods, which he has not done to date.

#11 | Posted by LittleJake at 2019-09-09 03:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Getting a high-level spy inside the Kremlin probably happens once in a generation, and it likely has significantly harmed the US' intelligence gathering operation to lose this person.

Was Trump's divulging classified intel to Russians done in order to precipitate this sort of move? If not, then at minimum, he's tremendously stupid. If so he's actively harming the United States. In either case, he's a national security risk and terribly unwualified to be POTUS.

#12 | Posted by JOE at 2019-09-09 03:08 PM | Reply

The Free Press Is The Enemy OF The State.

#7 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-09-09 02:37 PM | REPLY

The constitution says otherwise. Press that is not free is the enemy of the state. The State has nothing to fear from the Free Press unless they are doing something the people the State is meant to serve would not approve of.

#13 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-09-09 03:11 PM | Reply

"All because She lost an election.
#3 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM"

OK, you can lose the "schism." Sheeple alone fits you perfectly.

#14 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2019-09-09 03:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#13

Snoof Dog was schooling Sheepdip. Which is by definition an exercise in futility.

On topic.... Flight Risk has also demanded more than one pull out concerning Donald. Just sayin'.

#15 | Posted by Corky at 2019-09-09 03:20 PM | Reply

Russia didn't have to pull any of its assets out of the US. Hell, their #1 asset plays golf several times a week and tweets daily.

#16 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-09-09 03:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

by concerns that President Donald Trump and his administration repeatedly mishandled classified intelligence and could contribute to exposing the covert source as a spy.

Like Comey did when he took classified documents to his house and then to lawyer who leaked them to the press? Or like Hillary did with her insecure server in her basement? These are varified mishandling of classified intelligence, the one in this thread is once again "based on sources familiar" which as we have found out time and time again to be BS.

#17 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-09-09 03:22 PM | Reply

Was Trump's divulging classified intel to Russians done in order to precipitate this sort of move? If not, then at minimum, he's tremendously stupid. If so he's actively harming the United States. In either case, he's a national security risk and terribly unwualified to be POTUS.

#12 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2019-09-09 03:08 PM | FLAG:

Thanks for the insite Joe but based on your usual useless posts if Trump was reported to have taken a dump this morning you would say he was unfit for office.

#18 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-09-09 03:29 PM | Reply

Or like Hillary did with her insecure server in her basement?

#17 | Posted by fishpaw

Which unlike several government servers, Hillary's was NEVER successfully hacked. In fact, it turns out that of most all the servers in and around Washington, including BOTH the DNC AND the RNC, Hillary's server were perhaps the most secure of any. And as for the classified information, at the time that Hillary was accessing those documents, they were NOT classified. It was only AFTER she was no longer Secretary of State that those documents were reclassified.

OCU

#19 | Posted by OCUser at 2019-09-09 03:34 PM | Reply

Multiple sources confirm that Trump was unable to take a Dulli this morning.

#20 | Posted by Corky at 2019-09-09 03:35 PM | Reply

Multiple sources confirm that Trump was unable to take a Dulli this morning.
#20 | POSTED BY CORKY AT 2019-09-09 03:35 PM | FLAG:

Thanks for confirming Corky, did you scrub around the rim this time?

#21 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-09-09 03:42 PM | Reply

You mean Comey didn't do anything illegal, but was extremely careless?

#22 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-09-09 03:50 PM | Reply

Since this happened in 2017 all I can say is I'm glad the CIA pulled him out before Trump, Russia's own spy in the White House, found out his name.

#23 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-09-09 04:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Speculation and conjecture. Whenever I see Russia and CNN, I'm going to need proof. Did Brennan and/or Clapper pull the spy? Is this being reported now because Barr is bringing the heat on the start and conduct of the FBI investigation, under the guise of claiming that Barr's investigation will name the source?

The Russia investigation has burned us too many times to take speculation seriously. From what I read in the article, it's someones opinion, not fact.

#24 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-09-09 04:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

When "multiple Trump administration officials with direct knowledge told CNN" isn't good enough for you, then nothing ever will be.

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-09 04:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#25

Nameless sources are conjecture. It's not good enough. I understand why you fall for it.

#26 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-09-09 04:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Nameless sources are conjecture."

If that were the case, that means the Pentagon Papers were nothing more than conjecture until-----------'s identity was confirmed on his deathbed a few years ago.

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-09 04:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Nameless sources are conjecture. It's not good enough."

Judges write warrants on antonymous tips every day.
Seriously, when did you fall off the turnip truck?

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-09 04:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You'd have to be a real Fredo to believe in, well, anything reported by CNN-DNC.

#29 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-09 04:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Nameless sources are conjecture. It's not good enough.

Tell it to the ghost of Richard Nixon, dumbass.----------- was more than just a movie. Justice would grind to a halt if not for confidential informants.

Did Brennan and/or Clapper pull the spy?

Why don't you read the details before schitting all over yourself with ignorant fartings?

The decision to carry out the extraction occurred soon after a May 2017 meeting in the Oval Office in which Trump discussed highly classified intelligence with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and then-Russian Ambassador to the US Sergey Kislyak.

At the time, then-CIA Director Mike Pompeo told other senior Trump administration officials that too much information was coming out regarding the covert source, known as an asset.

The President was informed in advance of the extraction, along with a small number of senior officials. Details of the extraction itself remain secret and the whereabouts of the asset today are unknown to CNN.

#30 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-09 04:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

keep going with the Russia story, both CNN viewers love it

#31 | Posted by Maverick at 2019-09-09 04:45 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The Free Press Is The Enemy OF The State.
#7 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Fake News is the enemy of free elections and the ability to govern.

What we have now is highly politicized, exaggerated, biased, hyper-opinionated, loaded click-bait articles,
and outright fabrications with no ability to trace the source, which are being weaponized for a political take-down.

You won't like it when it's used against your party, candidate, or initiative. Therefore, don't ignore it or cheer it on against your opponents.

#32 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-09-09 04:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"Fake News is the enemy of free elections"

Not according to Citizens United it's not.
Fake News is the keystone of free elections, according to Citizens United.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-09 04:56 PM | Reply

Like Comey did when he took classified documents to his house and then to lawyer who leaked them to the press? Or like Hillary did with her insecure server in her basement?

#17 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

And neither of them work in government anymore. We should do the same with Trump.

#34 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2019-09-09 05:01 PM | Reply

"Did Brennan and/or Clapper pull the spy?"

Pull it like you pulled Building 7, CIA!!!

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-09 05:01 PM | Reply

Imagine the screams from the right if Obama had done something like this. I remember the nonstop 'OMG!' coming from them over him wearing a tan suit, his supposed "Muslim terrorist plant" and all the other garbage.

Republicans are hypocrites of the first order.

#36 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-09 05:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

You'd have to be a real Fredo to believe in, well, anything reported by CNN-DNC.

#29 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Says Trump's biggest ball washer and Fox Fan.

Watch for his next book: Why Brown Kids in Cages is SO Worth It!

#37 | Posted by Corky at 2019-09-09 05:20 PM | Reply

one of its highest-level covert sources inside the Russian government

Considering Russian counterintelligence and the fact that they routinely assassinate their enemies, this sort of spy probably won't exist again in our lifetimes.

And for those who don't believe the story (or don't want to), ask yourself this: How stupid would the CIA be to notextract a high-level asset in the Kremlin after Trump willfully divulged classified information to the Russians?

#38 | Posted by JOE at 2019-09-09 07:08 PM | Reply

... 2 photos of Trump in the Oval Office with Russian FM Lavrov and Ambassador Kislyak. They're from the Russians. ...

Ah yes, the Oval Office party that Pres Trump threw for the Russians and didn't allow US media to be present.

Oh yeah, he also gave Russians classified information.

Horrified' Israeli intel officials were shouting at US counterparts' over Trump leak
www.timesofisrael.com

...US President Donald Trump's reported sharing of a highly classified Israeli tip with Russia led to incredibly tense meetings between Israeli and American intelligence officials, Foreign Policy Magazine reported Friday.

The Israelis reportedly shouted at their US counterparts, demanding an explanation for Trump's actions, according to the magazine, which quoted a US defense official.

"To them, it's horrifying," the official said. "Their first question was: What is going on? What is this?'" ...



At least Pres Trump didn't have an private email server... or did he?

#39 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-09-09 09:05 PM | Reply

@#17 ... Like Comey did when he took classified documents to his house and then to lawyer who leaked them to the press? ...

I agree that what fmr Dir Comey did was wrong.

But let's keep a bit of perspective here.

The classified info in the Comey case was classified as "Confidential," the lowest level of classification.

The classified information that Pres Trump gave to the Russians during the Oval Office party was probably of a rather higher level of classification, given the reaction of the Israelis.

#40 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-09-09 09:29 PM | Reply

Jim Sciutto @jimsciutto

New tonight: Given NYT has now made details on Russian spy public, I can now report additional info we had withheld. Asset had direct access to Vladimir Putin, including the remarkable ability to take photos of presidential documents, and had served US for more than a decade. 1/

2/Asset had risen to the highest levels of Russia's national security infrastructure. US offered extraction months earlier during Obama administration, but asset refused. Asset's information was crucial to IC assessment that Putin had directed election interference to favor Trump

This is based on Trump and Obama administration ofcials with direct knowledge.
6:10 PM - 9 Sep 2019

#41 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-09 10:25 PM | Reply

Jason Leopold @JasonLeopold

This was reported in May:

"...Officials said Mr. Barr wanted to learn more about sources in Russia, including a key informant who helped the C.I.A. conclude Putin ordered the intrusion on the 2016 election."

Potential Clash Over Secrets Looms Between Justice Dept. and C.I.A.
www.nytimes.com

I imagine Putin will send his assassins after the spy just like he did with Sergei Skripal in England.

#42 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-10 12:04 AM | Reply

Molly McKew @MollyMcKew

So you mean, we had a high level source inside the Russian govt that verified details of the operation against the United States in 2015/16, and POTUS and his advisers know and don't care, and that's why the IC is on edge?

Great reporting by @jimsciutto

Said another way -- oh, you mean we weren't relying on the Steele dossier? No ---.

#43 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-10 08:22 AM | Reply

The Central Intelligence Agency on Monday evening slammed what it called CNN's "misguided" and "simply false" reporting, after the cable channel's chief national security correspondent authored a hole-filled piece claiming that the CIA had pulled a high-level spy out of Russia because President Trump had "repeatedly mishandled classified intelligence and could contribute to exposing the covert source as a spy."

The extraordinary CIA rebuke came as The New York Times published a bombshell piece late in the evening, which largely contradicted CNN's reporting. According to the Times, CIA officials "made the arduous decision in late 2016 to offer to extract the source from Russia" -- weeks before Trump even took office.

#44 | Posted by homerj at 2019-09-10 08:35 AM | Reply

Fake news CNN does it again.

#45 | Posted by homerj at 2019-09-10 08:36 AM | Reply

Asha Rangappa @AshaRangappa_ (Fmr FBI Special Agent)

Back in 2017 I found @DevinNunes' fixation on revealing the underlying intelligence on the Page FISA to be bizarre, given that it would reveal sources who might be able to corroborate intel on Russia's activities. Now I feel like that was the whole point

DCGomez @AllThingsNatSec (Retired #FBI. Former #LAPD.)

DCGomez Retweeted Asha Rangappa
I agree. This is very disturbing from a CI perspective. Especially considering today's news about a Russian CI source. Did Nunes know about the existence of a source prior to today? And was he trying to compromise him in the interest of protecting the POTUS?

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#46 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-10 08:41 AM | Reply

"Fake news CNN does it again."

Perhaps you missed this:

Jim Sciutto @jimsciutto

New tonight: Given NYT has now made details on Russian spy public, I can now report additional info we had withheld. Asset had direct access to Vladimir Putin, including the remarkable ability to take photos of presidential documents, and had served US for more than a decade. 1/

2/Asset had risen to the highest levels of Russia's national security infrastructure. US offered extraction months earlier during Obama administration, but asset refused. Asset's information was crucial to IC assessment that Putin had directed election interference to favor Trump

This is based on Trump and Obama administration ofcials with direct knowledge.
6:10 PM - 9 Sep 2019
#41 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

#47 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-10 08:45 AM | Reply

They tried to get him out before Trump was sworn in, but once he was sworn in and started sharing CI secrets with the Russians in the Oval Office and head of the House Intelligence Committee started doing midnight runs to the WH, they knew they had to get him out ASAP.

#48 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-10 08:53 AM | Reply

#44 | Posted by homerj

Here's the link to homerj's Fox News article quote:

CIA slams CNN's 'misguided' and 'simply false' reporting on alleged CIA spy's extraction from Kremlin

www.msn.com

#49 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-10 09:49 AM | Reply

Greg Miller @gregpmiller (National Security Correspondent for The Washington Post)

WaPo knew in 2017 that CIA had human source in Kremlin with direct access to Putin, furnished docs showing Putin authorization of election interference plot. We held some back. But knew it would come out.

Details emerging tonight certainly surpass what we knew. Excellent reporting @shaneharris @julianbarnes @jimsciutto

#50 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-10 10:16 AM | Reply

I heard a report that Trump doesn't like the idea of depending on foreign spies to help gather intelligence. He thinks that asking someone to betray their country by passing intelligence to the US is wrong.

OCU

#51 | Posted by OCUser at 2019-09-10 12:52 PM | Reply

Well, I'm back now. In retirement. I even conned Putin into giving me a last paycheck.

#52 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-09-10 01:26 PM | Reply

Hey Russia, your counter-spys suck at their job. Pfft!

#53 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-09-10 01:35 PM | Reply

It wasn't jus one suspicious thing that Trump did but a sequence of them, which you can read about here:

Max Bergmann @maxbergmann

THREAD: The timing of the amazing @jimsciutto story on the CIA pulling their asset out of Moscow is critical and it is bonkers. Lost is Putin's call with Trump on May 2, 2017. A bizarre chain of events followed. 1/ . . .

My guess is that the CIA's push back vs CNN's story that it was the Kislyak meeting which triggered the exfil is not technically wrong. It wasn't one event. It was likely a confluence of events. It wasn't just Trump disclosing TS/SCI info, it was him acting like an asset! 12/

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#54 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-10 01:43 PM | Reply

LOL, the NY Times today blew this story out of the water, publishing a bombshell piece late in the evening, which largely contradicted CNN's reporting. According to the Times, CIA officials "made the arduous decision in late 2016 to offer to extract the source from Russia " weeks before Trump even took office.":

"As American officials began to realize that Russia was trying to sabotage the 2016 presidential election, the informant became one of the C.I.A.'s most important " and highly protected " assets. But when intelligence officials revealed the severity of Russia's election interference with unusual detail later that year, the news media picked up on details about the C.I.A.'s Kremlin sources.

C.I.A. officials worried about safety made the arduous decision in late 2016 to offer to extract the source from Russia. The situation grew more tense when the informant at first refused, citing family concerns " prompting consternation at C.I.A. headquarters and sowing doubts among some American counterintelligence officials about the informant's trustworthiness. But the C.I.A. pressed again months later after more media inquiries. This time, the informant agreed.

The move brought to an end the career of one of the C.I.A.'s most important sources. It also effectively blinded American intelligence officials to the view from inside Russia as they sought clues about Kremlin interference in the 2018 midterm elections and next year's presidential contest.

Former intelligence officials said there was no public evidence that Mr. Trump directly endangered the source, and other current American officials insisted that media scrutiny of the agency's sources alone was the impetus for the extraction."

C.I.A. Informant Extracted From Russia Had Sent Secrets to U.S. for Decades

#55 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-10 03:50 PM | Reply

"LOL, the NY Times today blew this story out of the water, publishing a bombshell piece late in the evening, which largely contradicted CNN's reporting."

Like I said.

You'd have to be a real Fredo to believe in, well, anything reported by CNN-DNC.

#29 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

#56 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-10 04:00 PM | Reply

Perhaps you both missed this also:

Jim Sciutto @jimsciutto

New tonight: Given NYT has now made details on Russian spy public, I can now report additional info we had withheld. Asset had direct access to Vladimir Putin, including the remarkable ability to take photos of presidential documents, and had served US for more than a decade. 1/

2/Asset had risen to the highest levels of Russia's national security infrastructure. US offered extraction months earlier during Obama administration, but asset refused. Asset's information was crucial to IC assessment that Putin had directed election interference to favor Trump

This is based on Trump and Obama administration ofcials with direct knowledge.
6:10 PM - 9 Sep 2019
#41 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

They tried to get him out before Trump was sworn in, but once he was sworn in and started sharing CI secrets with the Russians in the Oval Office and the head of the House Intelligence Committee started doing midnight runs to the WH, they knew they had to get him out ASAP.
#48 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-10 08:53 AM | Reply

#57 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-10 04:08 PM | Reply

"including the remarkable ability to take photos of presidential documents"

That's not going to be of any help to Trump.
What we need is a spy who can Sharpie presidential documents.

#58 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-10 04:12 PM | Reply

I imagine Trump has been shown these documents, but he discounts them--or pretends he does:

Greg Miller @gregpmiller (National Security Correspondent for The Washington Post)

WaPo knew in 2017 that CIA had human source in Kremlin with direct access to Putin, furnished docs showing Putin authorization of election interference plot. We held some back. But knew it would come out.

Details emerging tonight certainly surpass what we knew. Excellent reporting @shaneharris @julianbarnes @jimsciutto

#59 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-10 04:13 PM | Reply

WaPo knew in 2017 that CIA had human source in Kremlin with direct access to Putin, furnished docs showing Putin authorization of election interference plot.

So, I wonder if AG Barr-Cohn's multi-pronged investigations into the "oranges" of the Russia investigation will be halted due to these disclosures? There was public speculation as to the existence of a human asset with access to Putin, but the only thing Trump humpers wanted to incessantly belch out was "STEELE DOSSIER". There has also been a continuing fear that Barr himself was trying to find out who this asset was before we've learned that he no longer works inside the Kremlin.

Since the investigations began in the summer of 2016 it was reported that multiple foreign agencies came to the US with intel (both sigint and humint) on Trump's campaign officials/staff caught in compromising behavior during surveillance of/ or having contact with Russians agents and cutouts. None of this should be surprising.

And I guess it's not surprising that even with the GOP chairing the Senate Intelligence committee, the naked canard that the investigation into Russian interference was somehow bogus is still touted and believed by far too many that frankly should know better based on evidence, not politics.

Even though IC committee members cannot divulge classified information they learn of as a matter of their duties, they can surely tell their fellow party members to sit down and shut up when they mislead the American people and place narratives into the public consciousness that these members know for a fact are both false and malignant. Yeah, that "Russia thing" is going to end up as a noose around the GOP's neck as their self serving and traitorous lies are finally catching up to them.

#60 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-10 05:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Tony,

If there was something actually there I'm sure Mueller's highly motivated team would have found it.

#61 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-09-10 05:08 PM | Reply

Also, Tony, the NYT demolished CNN's reporting on this.

#62 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-09-10 05:10 PM | Reply

#61

Mueller has nothing to do with the counterintelligence investigation that is supposedly still ongoing. And in reporting, it's called a developing story. As more information becomes known, the picture becomes clearer. If you actually read, it's not CNN with the scoop or the facts. WaPo/NYT had them long ago but made a deal not to divulge them in order to protect the asset.

The facts are that the existence of the Russian asset was being speculated about publicly even in 2016. Don't act like this is the first you've heard of someone close to Putin actually having reported that documentation of Putin's involvement was reported to intelligence sources. The fact that the media learned about the asset is now being claimed as the reason for his eventual exfiltration.

Of course it makes sense now: If the US had actual knowledge of Putin's involvement that could only come from a small group of people, then that person was at risk. The timing of the exfiltration may have been influenced by Trump's actions in May of 2017 since it showed for the world to see that Trump had no problem sharing classified intel with the Russians, even doing so in the Oval Office. So I have no doubt that action solidified the need to pull the asset out of Russia as soon as possible. What Putin ordered was an act of warfare, full stop. Certainly the asset was at severe risk and Trump's repeated denials probably helped save his/her life as it played out.

And need I mention that Trump continues to claim that what Putin did and ordered is a Democrat hoax? Very reassuring to the IC and the asset I'm sure.

#63 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-10 05:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Also, Tony, the NYT demolished CNN's reporting on this."

No, they didn't. They expanded on CNN's original reporting, and some feel they went too far and revealed too much. CNN at first held some info back as Sciutto explained. Just as WaPo had held some info back in 2017 when they first reported on the story as Greg Miller explained:

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#64 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-10 05:47 PM | Reply

#64

Uhh, yes they did. Read the link in #55.

But continue to run in circles with Tony and WashPo/CNN to your heart's content.

#65 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-10 08:35 PM | Reply

"Former intelligence officials said there was no public evidence that Mr. Trump directly endangered the source, and other current American officials insisted that media scrutiny of the agency's sources alone was the impetus for the extraction."

There was no public evidence does not mean there was no classified evidence, and it sure as hell doesn't mean there wasn't a reasonable fear that Donnie's loose lips would lead to the guy's death. Media scrutiny may have also played a role, but it doesn't have to be either/or.

#66 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-10 10:01 PM | Reply

Former intelligence officials said there was no public evidence that Mr. Trump directly endangered the source,

CNN didn't allege that in the copy I've read.

CNN Exclusive: The US extracted one of its top spies from Russia in 2017, worried about exposure and Trump's handling of intelligence

A person directly involved in the discussions said that the removal of the Russian was driven, in part, by concerns that President Donald Trump and his administration repeatedly mishandled classified intelligence and could contribute to exposing the covert source as a spy.

The decision to carry out the extraction occurred soon after a May 2017 meeting in the Oval Office in which Trump discussed highly classified intelligence with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and then-Russian Ambassador to the US Sergey Kislyak.

At the time, then-CIA Director Mike Pompeo told other senior Trump administration officials that too much information was coming out regarding the covert source, known as an asset.

So no, CNN wasn't demolished, you and Jeff need to learn how to read a little better. If you think the story you posted "contradicted" CNN's then you're wrong. They're the same story and as Gal said, CNN withheld information to protect the asset's identity, but they all knew the same things the Times and Post later reported and admitted they knew back in 2017.

#67 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-10 10:26 PM | Reply

Jeez, Tony.

Quit gaslighting.

CNN got a lot of things wrong about this.

#68 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-09-10 10:58 PM | Reply

Name what they got wrong.

#69 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-10 11:00 PM | Reply

Click on the link at the top of the page and inform us of what CNN got wrong.

#70 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-10 11:02 PM | Reply

Business Insider does a good job outlining and combining the various reporting:

The US extracted a top spy from Russia after Trump revealed classified information to the Russians in an Oval Office meeting

US officials extracted a top-secret source from Russia after President Donald Trump revealed classified intelligence to Russian officials during an Oval Office meeting in 2017, CNN reported Monday.

US intelligence officials were already worried about the source's safety before the meeting and had offered to extract him amid media speculation about a highly placed source, The New York Times reported. These concerns were compounded by Trump's disclosure to the Russians.

Intelligence officials typically extract sources when they believe the person's life is in immediate danger.

The information Trump shared with the Russians wasn't directly connected to the source, and there is no evidence Trump endangered the spy. But CNN reported that its disclosure prompted officials to "renew earlier discussions" about the potential risk that the source would be exposed.

The president has repeatedly been accused of mishandling classified information that could compromise the US's intelligence-gathering methods and put lives at risk.


You can read the rest here:

www.businessinsider.com

#71 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-10 11:04 PM | Reply

Hello, I'm Luther, leftie-to-rightie translator. Let's begin:

US officials extracted a top-secret source from Russia after President Donald Trump revealed classified intelligence to Russian officials during an Oval Office meeting in 2017, CNN reported Monday.
'After' is NOT synonymous with 'because of'. The word 'after' designates a point in time, it is not saying that the latter was the named cause of the former.
The information Trump shared with the Russians wasn't directly connected to the source, and there is no evidence Trump endangered the spy. But CNN reported that its disclosure prompted officials to "renew earlier discussions" about the potential risk that the source would be exposed.
This is why the above statement is true. The story says that the decision wasn't directly connected to any assertion that Trump exposed the asset nor that Trump had endangered him/her up to that point.

#72 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-10 11:14 PM | Reply

Add to all of the above, this nugget:

Trump skeptical of using foreign spies to collect intel on hostile countries, sources say

President Donald Trump has privately and repeatedly expressed opposition to the use of foreign intelligence from covert sources, including overseas spies who provide the US government with crucial information about hostile countries, according to multiple senior officials who served under Trump.

Trump has privately said that foreign spies can damage relations with their host countries and undermine his personal relationships with their leaders, the sources said. The President "believes we shouldn't be doing that to each other," one former Trump administration official told CNN.

In addition to his fear such foreign intelligence sources will damage his relationship with foreign leaders, Trump has expressed doubts about the credibility of the information they provide. Another former senior intelligence official told CNN that Trump "believes they're people who are selling out their country."

Even in public, Trump has looked down on these foreign assets, as they are known in the intelligence community. Responding to reports that the CIA recruited Kim Jong Un's brother as a spy, Trump said he "wouldn't let that happen under my auspices."


www.cnn.com

Considering Trump's attitude toward spies and his desire to suck up to Putin, it isn't a stretch to understand why that intel officials might worry that he would eventually confide to Putin and out the Kremlin spy.

#73 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-10 11:28 PM | Reply

The way Trump feels about spies reminds me of the way he feels about "flippers":

"I've seen it many times," Trump said. "I've had many friends involved in this stuff. It's called flipping and it almost ought to be illegal."

#74 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-10 11:36 PM | Reply

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