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James Hohmann: It was human intelligence, or HUMINT as it's known in the espionage world, that helped the U.S. government conclude so definitively that Putin himself directed the Russian influence campaign to interfere in the 2016 presidential election with the goal of hurting Hillary Clinton and helping Donald Trump.

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Revelations about this asset underscore the quality of the intelligence that showed Putin personally directed the interference in our 2016 election. Some Trump loyalists have sought to discredit the findings of former special counsel Robert Mueller's probe by seeking to link it with the Steele dossier, which included unsubstantiated allegations. The latest stories hint at how much more U.S. intelligence agencies know.

"The information itself was so important and potentially contentious in 2016 that top C.I.A. officials ordered a full review of the informant's record," Julian Barnes, Adam Goldman and David Sanger report in the Times. "Officials reviewed information the source had provided years earlier to ensure that it had proved accurate. Even though the review passed muster, the source's rejection of the C.I.A.'s initial offer of exfiltration prompted doubts among some counterintelligence officials. They wondered whether the informant had been turned and had become a double agent, secretly betraying his American handlers. That would almost certainly mean that some of the information the informant provided about the Russian interference campaign or Mr. Putin's intentions would have been inaccurate. ... Other current and former officials who acknowledged the doubts said they were put to rest when the source agreed to be extracted after the C.I.A. asked a second time."

I don't want to hear it anymore. I don't want to hear anymore about Michael Steele and his dossier. I don't want to hear a word about Papadopoulus being set up. Don't. Want. To. Hear. It.

Vladimir Putin and Russian intelligence ran a counterintelligence operation to disrupt and influence the normal course of a US presidential election with either the knowing or unknowing complicity of the candidate they prefered to win. Unless someone wants to provide serious evidence that the events described above are not exactly what they portend to be, we can now reach more than a few inescapable conclusions.

The Russians committed a tacit act of war in launching their attack against America's electoral process. One and only one candidate both amplified the stolen property Russia provided through Wikileaks, and stood to gain from its dissemination toward his electoral objectives. And this same man once President was reportedly told of the asset's exfiltration (though I doubt he was given full details of what information the asset provided to the CIA that damned Trump himself as he continues to lie about lacking definitive knowledge of Putin's involvement). There are plenty more facts than these, but this is a good start.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-10 07:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The CIA needs to be defunded. I believe this "asset" as much as I believe Curve Ball's statements about Saddam's WMD. The entire "intelligence" community is a giant joke. It is upper middle class kids without the connections to make it big in private industry playing spy and wanting to be important. We need to defund the CIA, massively reform the FBI and cut and prosecute those at the NSA. If they can't get obvious things right like Saddam's WMDs or who is responsible for Syrian gas attacks, I have zero faith in their ability to get this right. Like almost 100% of the government, they are the problem, not the solution. With Bolton gone, I hope Trump can finally make ALL of his policies America First - which means cutting of Israel and stopping the provocations against other countries that serve no purpose for the average American.

#2 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-10 09:01 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

HUMINT > SIGINT

Says a journalist who never worked in either field

#3 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-09-10 09:36 PM | Reply

Says a journalist who never worked in either field

Try better reading comprehension GoNo. The comment was qualified by the information preceding it.

Former spies are hard to spy on.

That's why the CIA asset in the Kremlin was such a big dang deal.

Former KGB officer Vladimir Putin is notoriously allergic to electronic communications because he's such a pro at tradecraft.

HUMINT > SIGINT

The comment was made in direct reference to successfully spying on Putin, not spycraft in general.

#4 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-10 10:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

The left has become the McCarthy-ites of the 21st century.

"So, raise your hand if you thought that was a Russian water tentacle."

Lindsey Brigman

#5 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-10 10:04 PM | Reply

The Right has become all three monkeys...

www.amazon.com

#6 | Posted by Corky at 2019-09-11 12:10 AM | Reply

The comment was made in direct reference to successfully spying on Putin, not spycraft in general.
#4 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

Even a person "with no electronics" can be tracked, no one is untouchable.

#7 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-09-11 11:38 PM | Reply

Even a person "with no electronics" can be tracked,....

No one is talking about 'tracking'. The point is SPYING, which encompasses finding out secretive information that is impossible to access through non-clandestine methods. One way to do that is through intercepting conversations by electronic or technological means and the other is through another human's interactions who does have access to persons and/or materials of interest who will share the gleaned information with you.

#8 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-11 11:56 PM | Reply

Thanks to Trump's big mouth, we no longer have such a highly placed asset inside Putin's inner circle.

#9 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-12 12:03 AM | Reply

#9

That's not how this reads AU. Because of the extreme importance of information the asset provided (copies of Putin's interference orders) his shelf life was expended before Trump was inaugurated. If it ever came out that the US knew with certainty of Putin's complicity, the circle of those in the loop was reportedly fairly small and the asset likely would have been found out. Trump's cavalier attitude toward intelligence and his hostility toward spies or 'flippers' appears to have solidified the asset's exfiltration at the time it occured.

But as yet, there are no direct ties that Trump threatened this asset personally before he was extracted.

#10 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-12 12:11 AM | Reply

TONY

I read - more than one source - that the decision was made to pull him in 2017 after the CIA became worried about the informant's safety after Trump met in the WH with Lavrov and Kislyak and spilled classified information.

#11 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-12 12:19 AM | Reply

The CIA made the first offer in late 2016 but didn't urgently press the asset to exfiltrate until months after Trump was in office and spilled classified secrets to the Russians in the WH.

#12 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-12 12:23 AM | Reply

#11-12

We're both saying the same thing. The US wanted to pull him because of chatter in the media hinting at the existence of a mole close to Putin that predated Trump's schitshow in the Oval in May 2017. May 2017 solidified things and he was exfiltrated.

But no one has directly tied anything that Trump DID to the exfiltration. They did fear what Trump MIGHT do, as they should have.

#13 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-12 12:27 AM | Reply

They did fear what Trump MIGHT do, as they should have.

#13 | Posted by tonyroma

That's an indisputable fact

#14 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-12 12:32 AM | Reply

Thanks to Trump's big mouth, we no longer have such a highly placed asset inside Putin's inner circle.
#9 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY

Oh look. fake news from last week has now become fact-cloth, used to patch holes in newer TonyDrama threads.

You should try Flex-Seal, the commercial says you can make a boat with it.

#15 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-09-15 07:15 PM | Reply

That's funny, I thought we spent 40M on Mueller's Report to confirm same.

Good thing that the WashPo is still on the case!

#16 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-15 07:27 PM | Reply

The CIA needs to be defunded. I believe this "asset" as much as I believe Curve Ball's statements about Saddam's WMD. The entire "intelligence" community is a giant joke. It is upper middle class kids without the connections to make it big in private industry playing spy and wanting to be important. We need to defund the CIA, massively reform the FBI and cut and prosecute those at the NSA. If they can't get obvious things right like Saddam's WMDs or who is responsible for Syrian gas attacks, I have zero faith in their ability to get this right. Like almost 100% of the government, they are the problem, not the solution. With Bolton gone, I hope Trump can finally make ALL of his policies America First - which means cutting of Israel and stopping the provocations against other countries that serve no purpose for the average American.

#2 | Posted by iragoldberg

When your cult leader works for russia, cult members hate anyone that defends us from russia.

#17 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-15 07:52 PM | Reply

That's funny, I thought we spent 40M on Mueller's Report to confirm same.

Good thing that the WashPo is still on the case!

#16 | Posted by Rightocenter

How much money is too much to spend to know if russia is attacking us and the president is a crook?

Complaining about the cost of the investigation is the most pathetic defense yet.

#18 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-15 07:53 PM | Reply

I'm not complaining about the cost, just heckling WashPo for their pathetic reporting.

#19 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-15 08:03 PM | Reply

That's funny, I thought we spent 40M on Mueller's Report to confirm same.

The Mueller Report DID NOT include the complete counterintelligence findings nor did it include any conclusion about Trump's disputed financial dealings.

As Mueller's report later revealed, it was then"FBI director James Comey's testimony about the counterintelligence investigation to the House Intelligence Committee that so infuriated the president and set in motion the events that led to Comey's firing and then, Mueller's appointment. Under the special counsel, the counterintelligence investigation quickly shifted gears to a criminal investigation, but the original probe that Mueller inherited never went away. While the public's attention was focused on the multiple convictions, guilty pleas, and charges against 34 individuals and three companies, the counterintelligence investigation continued quietly running below the surface. And, as Mueller's Wednesday testimony suggests, it still continues.

The job of FBI counterintelligence was and is to neutralize the threat posed by foreign intelligence"which, in this case, means dealing with what the special counsel's report called Russia's "sweeping and systematic" effort to interfere in the 2016 presidential election. The FBI, as the lead agency for exposing, preventing, and investigating intelligence activities on U.S. soil, sent officials with the bureau's Counterintelligence Division to meet regularly with members of the special counsel's team. For more than a year, FBI agents were embedded in Mueller's office. Their purpose, according to a little-noticed section of the special counsel's report, was "to review the results of the investigation and to send"in writing"summaries of foreign intelligence and counterintelligence information to FBIHQ and FBI Field Offices." But not all of the information in those summaries appeared in Mueller's final report.
_____________________________________
Towards the end of Robert Mueller's testimony before the House Intelligence Committee on Wednesday, the former special counsel indicated that the FBI is currently investigating matters of blackmail and compromise involving those who were in President Donald Trump's orbit. During his allotted time, Rep. Raja Krishnamoorthi (D-IL) noted that because it was outside the Mueller investigation's purview, the final report did not reach any counterintelligence conclusions regarding "any Trump administration officials who may be vulnerable to compromise or blackmail by Russia."

"Those decisions were probably made in the FBI," Mueller, himself a former head of the FBI, replied. "We referred to the counterintelligence goals of our investigation which were secondary to any criminal wrongdoing we could find."

(T)here are many elements that the FBI are looking into different aspects of that issue," Mueller said....
"Currently?" Krishnamoorthi quizzically replied.
"Currently," the one-time FBI chief confirmed.

"Yes, that was news," said Krishnamoorthi. "I didn't anticipate that."

"He said that there's an ongoing FBI investigation into the counter-intelligence risk associated with Flynn, and so I presume it's others as well," the congressman continued. "We know that others have some very questionable ties and dealings with Russia such as Jared Kushner. I'd be very curious whether the counterintelligence investigations extend to his risks, as well."

But you knew this right, troll breath? It was all posted right here.

#20 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-15 08:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

But the CIA can't figure out the foreigners calling you at home about the warrant for your arrest unless you send payment on a pre established credit card/account.

#21 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-09-15 08:13 PM | Reply

That's funny, I thought we spent 40M on Mueller's Report to confirm same.

Good thing that the WashPo is still on the case!

#16 | Posted by Rightocenter

Mueller's team didn't focus on conspiracy/Trump/Russia because they couldn't have prosecuted it even if they'd wanted to refer it to DOJ. No criminal acts were by the president under his purview.

He said so. Out loud.

#22 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-15 08:20 PM | Reply

No criminal acts by the president were under his purview

#23 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-15 08:21 PM | Reply

I'm not complaining about the cost, just heckling WashPo for their pathetic reporting.

No, you're not "heckling WashPo," you're openly dismissing the now worldwide, multi-outlet reporting of the confirmed existence of a human asset that actually shared reported printed documentation with US IC, proving that Putin himself signed off on the active measures counterintelligence operations which supported the electoral objectives of Donald Trump.

So if the reporting of fact is "pathetic", then what is it when someone openly cheers for the prosecution and imprisonment of government officials who found themselves investigating the nexus of the Trump campaign and the very Russians who tacitly committed an act of warfare against the otherwise unknowing (or lied to by Trumpers) American electorate who had their presidential electoral process corrupted by Russian interference?

#24 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-15 08:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#24 | Posted by tonyroma

Tony,

ROC is a blind partisan for the party that disenfranchises Democratic voters and allows interference in our elections by a foreign adversary through negligence and intransigence.

Otherwise he'd be firing off angry letters to Moscow Mitch to vote for election cybersecurity funding, the RNC for turning a blind eye, and the WH for dismissing our own intelligence services in favor of standing up for Putin's lies. Which, we can agree, he is not.

#25 | Posted by americanunity at 2019-09-15 08:57 PM | Reply

Mueller's team didn't focus on conspiracy/Trump/Russia because they couldn't have prosecuted it even if they'd wanted to refer it to DOJ. No criminal acts were by the president under his purview.
He said so. Out loud.

LOL, he said in the report that they investigated coordination/conspiracy...is that drivel the latest "facts" you have been told to believe.

#26 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-15 09:05 PM | Reply

Otherwise he'd be firing off angry letters to Moscow Mitch to vote for election cybersecurity funding, the RNC for turning a blind eye, and the WH for dismissing our own intelligence services in favor of standing up for Putin's lies.

Yes, that's the ticket...send sternly worded letters to not-your-Senator for his interns on Capitol Hill to send form responses to.

-Unitard

You Dolts are hilarious.

#27 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-15 09:07 PM | Reply

Mueller's team didn't focus on conspiracy/Trump/Russia because they couldn't have prosecuted it even if they'd wanted to refer it to DOJ. No criminal acts were by the president under his purview. He said so. Out loud. - #22 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-15 08:20 PM
That is false.
Mueller's investigation did not ignore any conspiracy just because one member of the conspiracy might be non-prosecutable. Only a complete moron would assume that law enforcement would ignore half (or more) of a conspiracy because they couldn't indict one of the conspirators.

#28 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-09-15 09:11 PM | Reply

ROC is a blind partisan for the party that disenfranchises Democratic voters and allows interference in our elections by a foreign adversary through negligence and intransigence. - #25 | Posted by americanunity at 2019-09-15 08:57 PM |
You really believe that ROC is a blind partisan for Democrats, the party that allowed interference in our elections by a foreign adversary through negligence and intransigence?

#29 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-09-15 09:14 PM | Reply

#25

The worst thing that Trump has managed to do is to make any argument about real issues that impact Americans completely political to diminish the importance of the issues themselves outside of who benefits politically by the pursuit of facts and truths. Putin's goal at dividing Americans against each other wasn't as hard as he may have thought before hooking onto Donald Trump's narcissism and cult of personality.

You and I both know if the situation were reversed and we as liberals were faced with presidential machinations like those of Trump, we would never discount calls to hold them accountable to the normal collective standards expected of elected representatives to actually follow their oaths and put the nation above their own personal interests.

And that may be the most blatant: It's hard not to argue that Trump's governance primarily consists of what and who personally serves him as being of highest importance and anything else that threatens or thwarts him is labeled a politically-motivated attack, even if no direct evidence supporting such an assertion exists.

Everything in politics is inextricably connected to politics, nothing shocking there. But it doesn't mean that right and wrong, legal and illegal, explicit and illicit always are.

#30 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-15 09:20 PM | Reply

And that may be the most blatant: It's hard not to argue that Trump's governance primarily consists of what and who personally serves him as being of highest importance and anything else that threatens or thwarts him is labeled a politically-motivated attack, even if no direct evidence supporting such an assertion exists.

TONYROMA

That's all there is.

Even if he gets some wall built, what he said was that Mexico was going to pay for it. Period. Not military families, construction workers, or REMA disaster funding. Mexico.

That'll be all he has to show for four years besides tearing this country apart.

#31 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-15 11:24 PM | Reply

FEMA (not REMA) lol

#32 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-15 11:30 PM | Reply

FEMA

Fix Everything My ---

#33 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-09-16 07:01 PM | Reply

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