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Wednesday, September 11, 2019

In a major first, scientists have detected water vapor and possibly even liquid water clouds that rain in the atmosphere of a strange exoplanet that lies in the habitable zone of its host star about 110 light-years from Earth.

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Sorry, false alarm. I have it on good Authority that there is no indigenous life on K2-18 b.

#1 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-09-11 03:10 PM | Reply

They are coming to get you.

#2 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-09-11 03:33 PM | Reply

There is probably life on a sizable fraction of star systems in the Galaxy. The variables in Drake's equation keep getting smaller and smaller.

#3 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-11 04:07 PM | Reply

The variables in Drake's equation keep getting smaller and smaller.
#3 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Exactly! Already, the probability that there is NOT life on another planet JUST in our galaxy is fading almost on a monthly basis. In terms of the universe or multiverse? I believe it's absurd to believe we're the only sentient beings, let alone the only forms of life (period). The odds are stacked in our favor that there is life, but still stacked against our favor that we'll ever confirm it's existence; especially so in regards to communication.

#4 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-09-11 04:38 PM | Reply

"#4 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11 AT 2019-09-11 04:38 PM "

Personally, I think it's absurd to think there is not extraterrestrial life in our own solar system. Terrestrial extremophiles exist in conditions harsher than Mars, Europa, Io, and possible Titan.

If I knew I was to live long enough, I would put good money on a bet that there is life on Mars. Mars used to be earthlike, but withered away. Any life there would have evolved to stay viable. I think if we continue to scratch the surface of Mars, we will find unicellular organisms -- maybe even very simple multi-cellular ones.

#5 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-11 04:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Goat,

Oceanic thermal vents are a great case in point. The toxicity would kill most life forms but a few have found a way to thrive in that atmosphere.

What that says to me is that life can exist in a far harsher environment than what is on this planet.

#6 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-09-11 04:48 PM | Reply

What that says to me is that life can exist in a far harsher environment than what is on this planet.
#6 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Hasn't it been proven that those little water bears can withstand the rigors or space itself? I'm a big believer in panspermia. If life could withstand the travel to Earth, it can withstand the harsh environments traveling to and existing on other planets.

#7 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-09-11 04:58 PM | Reply

The only problem with panspermia is that it's not parsimonious. We can explain abiogenesis within the confines of earth getting bombarded by comets.

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-11 05:03 PM | Reply

"Oceanic thermal vents are a great case in point. The toxicity would kill most life forms but a few have found a way to thrive in that atmosphere.
What that says to me is that life can exist in a far harsher environment than what is on this planet.

#6 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-09-11 04:48 PM "

Not just the chemical toxicity of which you speak, but the sheer thermal toxicity! Tube worms live in almost boiling water and thrive on the toxic chemical soup you mentioned.

To be clear, I don't' expect this complex of an organism elsewhere in our solar system. I expet to find unicellular life.

#9 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-11 05:04 PM | Reply

Ours is a third generation star, 5 billion years old. There are fourth generation stars. When we meet it it's going to be so advanced we will never understand it. And that's if it is made of luminous matter. If dark matter is complex then it has its own periodic table.

#10 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-09-11 05:13 PM | Reply

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I think man will have escaped earth or be conquered by extraterrestials by the time Sol goes red giant.

#11 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-11 05:22 PM | Reply

#1 We won't be Man by then. I'm thinking all clones of Ellon Musk.

#12 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-09-11 05:27 PM | Reply

The variables in Drake's equation keep getting smaller and smaller.
#3 | POSTED BY GOATMAN
Exactly! Already, the probability that there is NOT life on another planet JUST in our galaxy is fading almost on a monthly basis. In terms of the universe or multiverse? I believe it's absurd to believe we're the only sentient beings, let alone the only forms of life (period). The odds are stacked in our favor that there is life, but still stacked against our favor that we'll ever confirm it's existence; especially so in regards to communication.
#4 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11 AT 2019-09-11 04:38 PM

My advice is to break free of the current system-imposed limitations. You are seeing through a 60 year old lens. The MIC allegedly have met extra-terrestrials, killed a few, pickled a few and served a few real cold..

Remember - this implies that Drakes equation was applied wrongly then and now.

Ours is a third generation star, 5 billion years old. There are fourth generation stars. When we meet it it's going to be so advanced we will never understand it. And that's if it is made of luminous matter. If dark matter is complex then it has its own periodic table.
#10 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT AT 2019-09-11 05:13 PM

Brilliant, bro. If only I had ovaries.. our progeny could rule this world.[heart emoji]

#13 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-09-12 12:10 AM | Reply

The article says they think this planet has little solid surface, thus no possibility of life existing on it.

From the article:"Most of that planet, by volume, the vast majority is this gas envelope," he said. As Benneke described, the planet is most likely some sort of core, potentially a rocky one, surrounded by a massive, hydrogen gas envelope that has some water vapor in it.

While these researchers found evidence for liquid water clouds on K2-18 b, because of its lack of surface, rain wouldn't pool on the planet. As rainfall travels through the thick gas surrounding the planet's core, it would become so warm that the water would evaporate back up into the clouds where it would condense and fall again, Benneke said.

Without a real surface, so to speak, landing on the planet would also be nearly impossible to land on, especially because the gas is so thick and has such an incredibly high pressure that any Earth-created spacecraft sent there would be destroyed.

"There are millions of bars of pressure, it would just be crushed and squeezed," Benneke said.

#14 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-12 03:20 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Exactly! Already, the probability that there is NOT life on another planet JUST in our galaxy is fading almost on a monthly basis. In terms of the universe or multiverse? I believe it's absurd to believe we're the only sentient beings, let alone the only forms of life (period). The odds are stacked in our favor that there is life, but still stacked against our favor that we'll ever confirm it's existence; especially so in regards to communication.

#4 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

Agreed. Distances are too great for any contact in any foreseeable future. Best bet is possibly picking up a signal or gravitational disturbance that somehow proves to be a non-natural phenomena.

#15 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2019-09-12 08:18 AM | Reply

Personally, I think it's absurd to think there is not extraterrestrial life in our own solar system. Terrestrial extremophiles exist in conditions harsher than Mars, Europa, Io, and possible Titan. - Goatman

Goat, no way. Mars is dead, Io needs investigation, and Europa we don't know the composition of the liquid under the ice until we start drilling, which will be like in 200 years at the rate we are going. They're all massive extreme long shots for life.

#16 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2019-09-12 08:25 AM | Reply

THE INVASION FAILED -

Coming to pick up Hillary and the rest of the Nazi Democrat Space Cadets...

Mysterious object from interstellar space approaching our solar system'

www.thesun.co.uk

#17 | Posted by Pegasus at 2019-09-12 11:19 AM | Reply

110 light years away? So if we leave today we maybe (only maybe) will arrive in a hundred million years?

I just don't see how all this research can ever be anything more than a very thought provoking intellectual salon discussion.

#18 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-09-12 11:28 AM | Reply

Unless you can conquer the time dimension.

#19 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-09-12 02:08 PM | Reply

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