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Thursday, September 12, 2019

The U.S. will not grant temporary protected status to people from the Bahamas displaced by Hurricane Dorian, an administration official told NBC News.

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Just how quickly does anyone think it will take to make the destroyed islands in the Bahamas habitable again? Essentially, the Trump Administration has just criminalized normal survival for those Bahamians lucky enough to get into the US in the first place. How are people with nothing supposed to survive long enough to be able to return to their home islands?

Next we'll hear about how these soon-to-be law-breaking ingrate Bahamian 'illegals' are taking jobs from American workers, smh. Cruelty isn't a byproduct of Trump's inhumane policies, it's the whole point.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-11 05:44 PM | Reply

Donald Trump is a pig.

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-11 06:59 PM | Reply

You dolts do realize that The Bahamas has been part of the British Commonwealth since 1973 and recognizes Elizabeth II as their Queen...right?

Let the Brits help them out and take their refugees, they have been taking taxes from their former colony since 1973. Let them fix one of the largest cash cows in the Commonwealth.

#3 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-11 08:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Donald Trump is a pig. He's disgusting.

#4 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-11 09:27 PM | Reply

Get it all out Zed...

#5 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-11 09:31 PM | Reply

Republicanism in a nutshell.

Do nothing about climate change

Climate change worsens hurricanes

Hurricanes devastate small island nation

Republicans say "---- You" to small island nation citizens.

Republicans are disgusting human beings.

#6 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-09-11 09:32 PM | Reply

"Get it all out Zed...

#5 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Beat me to it. I was going to tell him to stop emulating Laura Mohr's brilliant rejoinders.

I've noticed since my return zed has decided to hitch his rising star to the likes of aborted monson and those other guys who vow to never use more than a dozen brain cells when retorting.

#7 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-11 09:34 PM | Reply

#5

Get it all out? Sure.

Donald Trump's evil is impossible but for the people supporting him.

By extension, they're evil.

#8 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-11 09:36 PM | Reply

"By extension, they're evil.

#8 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2019-09-11 09:36 PM |"

Sl by extension, if you supported Obama, you are part of him as well? Like when he gave children to human traffickers?

Or is this where you invoke the leftie double standard?

#9 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-11 09:41 PM | Reply

#9

It's a contest of light versus darkness. If Trump were a Democrat the Evangelicals would label him demonic.

#10 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-11 09:44 PM | Reply

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Some people come here and do their best to excuse and rationalize really, really evil things. Moral reason for that or do we talk mental health?

#11 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-11 09:46 PM | Reply

Good. When our own hurricane folks are taken care of, we'll worr about other nations.

Unless of course they want to give us a bunch of markers to their casinos.

#12 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-11 09:48 PM | Reply

#12

You' re not a bastard but you play one on the internet.

#13 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-11 09:50 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Another front approaching the Bahamas. Another one behind that.

#14 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-09-11 09:53 PM | Reply

#6

More disgusting than someone who wishes asscancer on strangers? That level of disgusting?

#15 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-11 10:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The occupant of the White House deserves ass cancer. the Bahamanians deserve help.

But a Republican wouldn't understand, it involves empathy.

#16 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-09-12 12:55 AM | Reply

They sent a 12 year old girl - who traveled per her mother's wishes from the Bahamas to the U.S. on a relief flight with her godmother - to a migrant detention facility. Her mother made it to the U.S., but she's been ordered to leave September 26th, long before she can complete the process to reclaim her daughter from the detention facility.

Hurricane Dorian forced a Bahamian family to flee for the presumed safety of the United States, but the United States instead ripped the family apart when U.S. officials separated a 12-year-old girl from her godmother and threw her into a facility that also detains migrant children, the Miami Herald reports.

Kaytora Paul had flown from Nassau to Florida on Sunday with her godmother when Customs and Border Protection took her because she wasn't traveling with a biological parent, her mom Katty said. "The young evacuee is currently being housed at His House Children's Home in Miami Gardens," where the federal government detains some unaccompanied minors, or kids who to come to the U.S. alone.

But Kaytora hadn't come alone, and the only reason she was traveling with her godmother was because a rescue effort had already separated the family. The roof of their home had collapsed and they were living in their wrecked car when help came. "But there wasn't enough space," Katty said. "At that point you have to make a decision. I sent my 12-year-old with her godmother, while I stayed with our two youngest and my husband stayed with our adult son."

Katty now worries she could be sent back without her daughter. Officials reportedly refused a biological aunt who had gone to the airport to try to get the girl, and after arriving to Florida on Tuesday, Katty was told she must apply with the federal government to be her own daughter's sponsor. But the complicated process requires a number of documents and can take weeks, and "U.S. officials told her that she can only stay in the U.S. until Sept. 26."

www.miamiherald.com

#17 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-12 03:29 AM | Reply

The world is looking at amerikkka doing evil.

#18 | Posted by fresno500 at 2019-09-12 07:23 AM | Reply

"Like when he gave children to human traffickers?"

Your credibility just went below zero.

"Good. When our own hurricane folks are taken care of, we'll worr about other nations."

They won't be as long as Donald Trump is President. He'll make sure of it then claim he did take care of it. Cuz he is an immoral racist liar.

#19 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-12 08:06 AM | Reply

Prediction: This isn't going to help Trump with the white suburban soccer mom crowd, who are likely to look at the horrific destruction in the Bahamas and wonder why the greatest nation on earth can't grant temporary protected status to people who have literally lost everything and has instead stooped to such new levels of indifference and cruelty.

#20 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-12 08:47 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Don't get me wrong. I hate Trump's leadership. But he had to deny them, too. Otherwise, he'd had to explain why he let the Bahamanian and not the Hispanics into the US. One's black and the other's brown doesn't cut it.

I wrote he would do this a couple of days ago. Who listens? Not me. Whoopee!

#21 | Posted by Goose_Boils at 2019-09-12 08:51 AM | Reply

Or as a friend observed: if they were blonde-haired, blue-eyed Norwegians or Swedes, he'd let them in.

#22 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-12 08:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Before you start talking ----, read the post in it's entity.

Most people who support Trump and identify with the Bible Jesus, Not Jebus Chrysler, are having a hard time balancing Trump's practices and Jesus' lessons in the Bible. They are finding out that you can't do both and be "right with God."

So either Trump is their god or God is God.

Trump is saying no to being a decent neighbor. Jesus said "feed and welcome the stranger."

The above are two diametrically opposed point of view, and or set of behaviors. One is selfish and on is not.

Now, this are for the Born Again, followers of Christ, who is correct?

Jesus Christ?

Or Donald Trump?

Remember Christian, Jesus said, "If you do what I tell you not to do, you are not for Me. You are not Mine. I never knew you." You'll find that in The Book of Matthew Chapter 24. Read it all.

If you read it, are you still supportive of Trump?

#23 | Posted by Goose_Boils at 2019-09-12 09:17 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I think we should look at our history of the past 20 years when other Presidents did grant TPS after things like Haiti's earthquake....did it end up being bad for our country? I like here in S. Florida where we dealt with the biggest brunt of those decisions, I can tell you honestly, it was fine. Trump panders to the snow flakes who are afraid of anyone who isn't white. That is all this is about. Pandering, it's just how he operates.

#24 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-12 09:23 AM | Reply

#3 | Posted by Rightocenter

You need a lesson on what the British Commonwealth is and has been for some time.

#25 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-09-12 10:04 AM | Reply

On the other hand this is a very good lesson for them.

#26 | Posted by fresno500 at 2019-09-12 11:59 AM | Reply

For all you Galaxiepete's out there. That means all you dumbaassed MAGAts screaming, the Bahamas is a Commonwealth of Brittan:

NO IT ISN'T. THAT'S WHY YOU PEOPLE ARE SUCH LOSERS. YOU CLEAN ---- OUT OF OLD PEOPLE'S -------- AND THINK IT'S HONORABLE!

PICK UP A DAMN BOOK OR USE GOOGLE AND GET IT RIGHT FOR ONCE!

On July 10, 1973, The Bahamas became a free and sovereign country, ending 325 years of peaceful British rule. However, The Bahamas is a member of the Commonwealth of Nations and we celebrate July 10th as Bahamian Independence Day.

#27 | Posted by Goose_Boils at 2019-09-12 12:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Good. With no endgame plan in place by any previous administration, we have people living here under this status for much longer than 2010.

So, when will the stupid partisan haters, bleeding hearts, and corrupt rich people actually demand that a better plan be put in place that provides help but doesn't cause negative impacts to America? I know typical Liberals won't anytime soon because lately they just hate America and want us to fail. Rich Reps aren't impacted at all so they don't care. And in the meantime, the press keeps inciting hate. Why doesn't the article state, "No country is offering Bahamians protected status" or something to that effect that proves it's not as easy as just saying you will allow anyone in to your country for a length of time that has not been dictated? Because too many people in this country want to hate because that's the easy way.

#28 | Posted by humtake at 2019-09-12 12:37 PM | Reply

If you are from Irish or Italian ancestry, good thing Trump wasn't in charge when your forefathers got here.

#29 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2019-09-12 01:04 PM | Reply

The Bahamas is a member of the Commonwealth of Nations

Ok, Goose, I'm trying not to call you a dumbass...I'm trying very hard..

What is the "Commonwealth of Nations" or more appropriately, the "commonwealth realm?

A Commonwealth realm is a sovereign state[ 1] in which Queen Elizabeth II is the reigning constitutional monarch and head of state. Each realm functions as an independent co-equal kingdom from the other realms. As of 2019, there are 16 Commonwealth realms: Antigua and Barbuda, Australia, The Bahamas, Barbados, Belize, Canada, Grenada, Jamaica, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Solomon Islands, Tuvalu, and the United Kingdom. All 16 Commonwealth realms are members of the Commonwealth of Nations, an intergovernmental organisation of 53 member states. Elizabeth II is Head of the Commonwealth.

en.wikipedia.org

So this is a British problem and I'm sure they can take in their citizens and subjects until their commonwealth can be rebuilt.

#30 | Posted by boaz at 2019-09-12 03:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#25

I know exactly what it is and how it functions, they are independent but co-equal nations in a common intergovernmental organization. As part of the Commonwealth of Nations they pledge...wait for it...to support each other.

#27

Could you be any dumber? You actually wrote this "The Bahamas is a member of the Commonwealth of Nations" while criticizing me for saying that "The Bahamas is part of the Commonwealth of Nations". Not going to play the WFW game but your newsworthies are as DRtarded as you are.

#30

Looks like Goose Boils and Galaxiepete need to learn how, at the very least, to use Google to find something as simple as The Commonwealth Wikipedia entry.

#31 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-12 03:31 PM | Reply

Like when he gave children to human traffickers?
goat

citation please.

#32 | Posted by cjk85 at 2019-09-12 03:41 PM | Reply

The Bahamas are like the next county over. Many people are quite upset here over how Trump is treating the Bahamian people, most of them probably have friends and relatives over here who would be able to let them stay with them.

#33 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-12 04:09 PM | Reply

"Like when he gave children to human traffickers?

goat
citation please.

#32 | POSTED BY CJK85 AT 2019-09-12 03:41 PM

www.snopes.com

#34 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-12 05:58 PM | Reply

Many people are quite upset here over how Trump is treating the Bahamian people

Not "many people", just the idiots you hang around.

Most people understand that the Bahama's isnt the U.S.'s responsibility. Our country isnt responsible for it's infrastructure or it's people. That's an England thing.

Send in the Red Cross. That's what they are for.

#35 | Posted by boaz at 2019-09-13 08:50 AM | Reply

"Not "many people", just the idiots you hang around."

You don't know what you are talking about as usual. S. Florida is almost universally upset over the treatment of Bahamians. What a nasty and hateful person you are Boaz. It must suck to be you or your family.

#36 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-13 09:08 AM | Reply

"What a nasty and hateful person you are Boaz. It must suck to be you or your family.

POSTED BY DANNI"

Danni, look in a mirror. You drip with hate. How can you not see this? At least Boaz doesn't drag your family into his alleged hate.

#37 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-13 09:20 AM | Reply

"The Bahamas are like the next county over. Many people are quite upset here over how Trump is treating the Bahamian people...

#33 | POSTED BY DANNI"

Trump is treating them with indifference. He is not treating them badly.

THe Bahamas are part of the Brittish Commonwealth. When your friends tell you how pissed they are because of the way Trump is treating Bahama, ask them why they aren't directing their rage at the Queen.

#38 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-13 09:33 AM | Reply

ask them why they aren't directing their rage at the Queen.

#38 | Posted by goatman

The Queen doesn't live next door?

Some people spend an awful lot of energy in the drive to be cruel. One of the defining traits of Trumpism, and Trump's Party.

#39 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-13 09:37 AM | Reply

Trump is treating them with indifference. He is not treating them badly.

#38 | Posted by goatman at 2

Yeah, well. Gee. hard to know what to say. Really.

#40 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-13 09:39 AM | Reply

It's obvious Trump enjoys, positively enjoys, hurting other people. He does this all the time. The more helpless they are, the greater the sport.

#41 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-13 09:40 AM | Reply

Most people understand that the Bahama's isnt the U.S.'s responsibility. Our country isnt responsible for it's infrastructure or it's people. That's an England thing.

#35 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2019-09-13 08:50 AM | REPLY

No its a humanity thing. We all bear responsibility to help our neighbors. The red cross only has $3.3 Billion per year to work with and that is spread across 70,000 disaster events per year or about 5,000 per disaster. charity falls woefully short.

#42 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-09-13 09:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Donald Trump is a cruel man constantly in search of human canvasses on which to display his art. Cruelty, the power to be vicious, feeds his ego and his ego is insatiable.

#43 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-13 09:42 AM | Reply

"Most people understand that the Bahama's isnt the U.S.'s responsibility. Our country isnt responsible for it's infrastructure or it's people. That's an England thing."

Funny, our Republican Governor doesn't agree with you. They are our friends and neighbors, some of us don't base our need to help others on legalities and technical details.
And then you say the American Red Cross should be there, I'm pretty sure they already are and doing as much as they can. But wait, they're Americans, so why are they trying to help out Bahamians???? Don't they have access to Boaz's "Rules for When You Should Help Your Neighbors????"

#44 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-13 09:47 AM | Reply

"The Queen doesn't live next door?

#39 | POSTED BY ZED"

The queen has these things called ships and airplanes, zed. Both can carry people to the UK. Welcome to the 21st century.

#45 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-13 09:49 AM | Reply

History is replete with leaders like Trump. There have been any number of them in my own lifetime. The US was bound to get one sooner or later.

That people like Trump exist is no mystery. That people IDENTIFY with Trump's personality and behavior is the real problem. When you want to be someone like Donald Trump there's sickness abroad.

#46 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-13 09:53 AM | Reply

Welcome to the 21st century.

#45 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-13 09:49 AMFlag: (Choose)FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Thanks. In the 21st century we should know enough about people and what goes wrong with people not to elect and not to put up with people like Donald Trump.

#47 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-13 09:55 AM | Reply

"For all you Galaxiepete's out there. That means all you dumbaassed MAGAts screaming, the Bahamas is a Commonwealth of Brittan:
NO IT ISN'T. THAT'S WHY YOU PEOPLE ARE SUCH LOSERS. YOU CLEAN ---- OUT OF OLD PEOPLE'S -------- AND THINK IT'S HONORABLE!

PICK UP A DAMN BOOK OR USE GOOGLE AND GET IT RIGHT FOR ONCE!
On July 10, 1973, The Bahamas became a free and sovereign country, ending 325 years of peaceful British rule. However, The Bahamas is a member of the Commonwealth of Nations and we celebrate July 10th as Bahamian Independence Day.

#27 | POSTED BY GOOSE_BOILS "

Your own link says the Bahamas is part of the commonwalth, even though you say it isn't. LOL Your raging in bold all caps doesn't' change that.

#48 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-13 09:55 AM | Reply

"Thanks. In the 21st century we should know enough about people and what goes wrong with people not to elect and not to put up with people like Donald Trump.

#47 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2019-09-13 09:55 AM "

Deflection to my point that planes and ships can move people is noted, zed, and is taken for your inability to rebut that point.

#49 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-13 09:56 AM | Reply

As I understand it, many/some of the folks from the Bahamas want to come to the US because they have family here, who they have visited in the past, not in England. It would be interesting to know if this is true what the stats are.

#50 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-13 09:56 AM | Reply

Deflection to my point that planes and ships can move people is noted, zed, and is taken for your inability to rebut that point.

#49 | Posted by goatman at 2019

The problem isn't in transportation, the problem is in the mind and soul.

#51 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-13 09:57 AM | Reply

The deflection lies in getting away from identifying our current president as a mentally ill, sadistic personage.

#52 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-13 09:59 AM | Reply

"As I understand it, many/some of the folks from the Bahamas want to come to the US because they have family here,..."

I'm sure some do and as far as I know none of them are being stopped from visiting those family members. Do you have evidence otherwise?

#53 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-13 09:59 AM | Reply

Everyone knows how Trump operates at this point. Everyone knows what Trump is at this point. Therefore I have to think that the people who defend him must be sick in some important way.

#54 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-13 10:00 AM | Reply

Everyone knows that the Bahamian people are just one more on a list of vulnerable populations Trump tries to stomp on.

That list keeps getting longer. Who will it be next week?

#55 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-13 10:01 AM | Reply

"The deflection lies in getting away from identifying our current president as a mentally ill, sadistic personage.

#52 | POSTED BY ZED "

So you are doubling down on your inablity to rebut my point about the UK not taking in these people. You simply puke out another "Trump sucks" deflection.

Noted

Bye, zed. Your "Trump sucks" schtick is beyond old. I don't like him either, but I can stick to points and offer rebuttals without bringing him up.

#56 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-13 10:04 AM | Reply

"Who will it be next week?

#55 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2019-09-13 10:01 AM :

Hopefully you

#57 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-13 10:05 AM | Reply

Florida lawmakers ask Donald Trump to ease visa rules for Bahamians after Hurricane Dorian

U.S. Sens. Marco Rubio and Rick Scott asked President Donald Trump on Wednesday to waive visa requirements for citizens of the Bahamas seeking refuge after Hurricane Dorian.

The Florida senators, both Republicans, made the request within hours of a call early in the day by state Rep. Shevrin Jones, a South Broward Democrat who is Bahamian-American, that the Trump Administration waive visa rules. Jones and Rubio also spoke about the situation in the Bahamas.

In their letter to Trump, Rubio and Scott asked the president to to waive or suspend visa requirements for Bahamians "who have relatives in the United States with whom they can reside as they begin the process of rebuilding their lives and their country."

In their letter to Trump, the senators said that "perhaps one of the most basic yet meaningful steps our government can take immediately is to ensure that those who have lost everything, including family members in some instances, are provided the opportunity for shelter and reunification with family in the United States." They called it an "urgent matter."


More here:

www.sun-sentinel.com

#58 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-13 10:05 AM | Reply

I don't like him (Trump) either

#56 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-13 10:04 AM | Reply |

Not at all clear from your behavior.

#59 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-13 10:06 AM | Reply

Funny GOP Senators Rubio and Scott didn't send their letter to the Queen!

#60 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-13 10:06 AM | Reply

That the king is crazy is really the only political thing worth talking about.

#61 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-13 10:06 AM | Reply

but I can stick to points and offer rebuttals without bringing him up.

#56 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-13 10:04 AMFlag: (Choose)FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Trump is always implied in your arguments. You're a fan.

#62 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-13 10:08 AM | Reply

"Funny GOP Senators Rubio and Scott didn't send their letter to the Queen!

POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY"

I guess they thought she would do the right thing and protect her Commonwealth subjects.

#63 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-13 10:08 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Or, more likely, they thought Trump would do the right thing:

Writing on Twitter, Rubio noted that "Florida has deep ties to The #Bahamas. Many Floridians have family living there."

#64 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-13 10:10 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I think Donald Trump has crossed a hundred lines at this point. The really interesting question is what he has to do to take the issue or craziness out of his hands and that of his flying monkeys into the realm of intervention?

#65 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-13 10:10 AM | Reply

Flying Monkeys are the people the malignant narcissist recruits to flak for him and protect him. Flying Monkeys visit here and voluntarily, for the most part not even being paid. Imagine that.

#66 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-13 10:12 AM | Reply

"Or, more likely, they thought Trump would do the right thing:
Writing on Twitter, Rubio noted that "Florida has deep ties to The #Bahamas. Many Floridians have family living there."

#64 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY"

The US has already sent $10 million there. How much more money does it take until the "right thing" is achieved in your opinion?

#67 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-13 10:13 AM | Reply

Writing on Twitter, Rubio noted that "Florida has deep ties to The #Bahamas. Many Floridians have family living there."

#64 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

Interesting that Trump's sadism is more powerful than his need to win Florida next year.

#68 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-13 10:14 AM | Reply

"I don't like him (Trump) either"

If that's the case, tell us why you don't like him and name a few things he's done that you disagree with.

#69 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-13 10:17 AM | Reply

"I'm sure some do and as far as I know none of them are being stopped from visiting those family members. Do you have evidence otherwise?"

They are being allowed to visit but it is going to take quite a while before they will be able to rebuild homes, jobs, lives back in the Bahamas and the visas they have won't allow them to stay here that long.

The thing that surprises me over and over is the meanness of many Americans after a disaster like this. Here in S. Florida we have probably absorbed more people from the Caribbean than anywhere else in the U.S. and I can tell you one thing that is certain. They have made S. Florida richer with every succeeding wave of them. So many of you seem to think they turn into welfare recipients when nothing could be farther from the truth. They work harder than Americans, they usually end up as business owners, they obey the laws and are good neighbors. I will admit, I didn't always feel this way, but me and my entire family have evolved completely and now welcome people from any nation who wants to come here and work hard for a decent life.

#70 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-13 10:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The US has already sent $10 million there. How much more money does it take until the "right thing" is achieved in your opinion?

If sending some money was enough, Scott and Rubio wouldn't have written the letter to Trump that they did.

#71 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-13 10:22 AM | Reply

"If that's the case, tell us why you don't like him and name a few things he's done that you disagree with.

#69 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY "

I've stated many times before I don't like him because he is an arrogant, full of himself, -------. He lies too much to suit me (but in fairness, what politician doesn't?) He looks down on people. I can't stand people with his type of personality.

As far as disagreeing with things he has done, there are a few. But unlike TDS afflicted people like zed, (who clearly has Trump living in his head, just as Trump likes) I am able to separate what he does from the person. I don''t allow my dislike of the man to shadow good things he has done.

There are many people on this blog who do not like me. Does this mean they also hate the volunteer work I do at the VA? Does it mean they do not like my monetary contributions to charitable organizations? Some people are so wrapped up in hate of a person that they fail to see good things he has done. It's sad people are so led by the nose and connot be objective and separate the grain from the chaff.

#72 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-13 10:31 AM | Reply

"If sending some money was enough, Scott and Rubio wouldn't have written the letter to Trump that they did.

#71 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY "

That doesn't answer my question. Please don't turn into a zed deflection zombie.

#73 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-13 10:31 AM | Reply

Snoofy is right. For some people, a large part of Trump's popularity boils down to: he hurts the people I want him to hurt:

Everyone knows that the Bahamian people are just one more on a list of vulnerable populations Trump tries to stomp on.
That list keeps getting longer. Who will it be next week?
#55 | Posted by Zed

"Who will it be next week?
#55 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2019-09-13 10:01 AM :
Hopefully you
#57 | Posted by goatman

#74 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-13 10:33 AM | Reply

"POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY "

Do you see anything wrong with expecting the queen to take care of her subjects? Why is not more said about this? I believe it is because people can be so hateful, they'd rather hate on Trump rather than be objective and ask questions about the people who should be looking after the Bahamas.

#75 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-13 10:34 AM | Reply

"As far as disagreeing with things he has done, there are a few."

But apparently too few to mention.

"But unlike TDS afflicted people like zed, (who clearly has Trump living in his head, just as Trump likes) I am able to separate what he does from the person. I don''t allow my dislike of the man to shadow good things he has done."

If you don't like the man but like most of his policies, then comparing your opinion of him to someone who likes neither is disingenuous.

"Some people are so wrapped up in hate of a person that they fail to see good things he has done. It's sad people are so led by the nose and connot be objective and separate the grain from the chaff."

In some cases, the bad things a person does outweigh the good things. One can acknowledge the good things, but it doesn't excuse or mitigate the bad things if those bad things are bad enough. IOW, it doesn't balance out the balance sheet.

#76 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-13 10:43 AM | Reply

"That doesn't answer my question. Please don't turn into a zed deflection zombie."

LOL Sorry, but your question is itself a deflection, goatman deflection zombie.

#77 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-13 10:45 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

The Bahamas is the third richest country in the Americas (after the US and Canada). But their relief to the US after Katrina was only $50,000. We've already given them 200x that. The UK has given only $1.5 million (vs the US aid of $10 million)

Yet people choose to hate Trump rather than the nation who should be doing more for the Bahamas.

Hate is an awful thing. It robs people of all objectivity, not to mention robbing their own souls.

Citations to back up my claims

reliefweb.int

en.wikipedia.org

en.wikipedia.org

#78 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-13 10:46 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I've stated many times before I don't like him because he is an arrogant, full of himself, -------. He lies too much to suit me (but in fairness, what politician doesn't?) He looks down on people. I can't stand people with his type of personality.

Who wants to tell him?

#79 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-13 10:47 AM | Reply

For those with access to the Washington Post here's a very germane story about the situation the Bahamas now finds itself in. Essentially, the businesses and homes that cater to wealthy Americans and Europeans are dependant upon the very workforce whose modest houses were destroyed by Dorian and have no recourse but to leave the islands.

And secondarily, I may have discovered why Trump spoke so negatively about "people in the Bahamas that don't belong there" as a reason for stricter control of those allowed entry into the US. It's about further denigrating Haitians.

To rebuild places like Baker's Bay, residents know they need the workers of the Mudd to return. But the Mudd is gone. It's unclear whether it will ever be rebuilt and whether its former residents will return.

"I'll put it as raw as I can," said Glen Kelly, the harbor master at Abaco Beach Resort, one of the largest marinas in the Bahamas. "We've always depended on Haitian labor, legal or illegal, to maintain this place. Now it's a question of whether they'll be back."

But beyond the humanitarian mission, homeowners and developers acknowledge, there's also the reality of their own needs: Baker's Bay and the exclusive enclaves in Great Guana Cay are going to need a huge amount of manual labor to rebuild. Two thousand of the employees on Baker's Bay came here daily from Marsh Harbor. "There's no one there to build now," Meldman said.

#80 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-13 10:49 AM | Reply

"LOL Sorry, but your question is itself a deflection, goatman deflection zombie.

#77 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY "

???

It is ont a deflection. It is a direct question. A deflection is a response that has nothing to do with a question asked.

But if you choose to not answer that is your perogative. But please don't be so disingenuous as to claim a question is a deflection. It isn't unless it is asked as a response to another question, which my question was not.

I understand that Trump haters would prefer to not be objective. However, this will not keep me from posting (and citing) facts and asking questions Trump haters find painful and refuse to answer.

#81 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-13 10:51 AM | Reply

Rubio used to be a Trump hater but he isn't anymore, and as far as I know, Scott never was.

#82 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-13 10:59 AM | Reply

"Who wants to tell him?

#79 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY "

I'm sure Trump would rather he live in my head as he lives in zed's, but I refuse to allow that. I'm sure if someone told him that, it would upset him. But I don't care.

And I daresay judging from your lack of objectivity on the topic of aid to post-Dorian Bahamas, he lives in your head as well and your raw hatred for him controls your thoughts and blocks out objectivity.

#83 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-13 11:00 AM | Reply

"Do you see anything wrong with expecting the queen to take care of her subjects? Why is not more said about this? I believe it is because people can be so hateful, they'd rather hate on Trump rather than be objective and ask questions about the people who should be looking after the Bahamas.

#75 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2019-09-13 10:34 AM | REPLY | FLAG:"

The Bahamas became an independent, sovereign country in 1973.

They voluntarily chose to join the Commonwealth at that time and this entails accepting the Queen as head of state, but the relationship is not the same as the relationship she has with citizens of the UK. The Bahamas is free at any time to leave the Commonwealth and to renounce the Queen as head of state.

So Bahamians are not subjects of the Queen in the way I suspect you mean it; they cannot move to the UK without complying with immigration regulations. Similarly, UK citizens cannot live in the Bahamas without complying with their immigration rules. In this regard therefore, Bahamians need to jump through immigration hoops in both the UK and US, but there is no denying that the US is much more conveniently located and this is important.

The islands will be uninhabitable to all but the most hearty for some time; rebuilding will be long and difficult ( I speak from experience ) and the ability to get on island quickly, make decisions, deal with practical matters and get out again will be very important. This cannot be done from the UK.

Does this in and of itself impose an obligation on the US - no. But is suggesting sending them to the UK a viable alternative - absolutely not. If the US wants to be a world leader, sometimes it has to step up and this would be one of them. Or is the just another way in which Trump has convinced supposedly patriotic Americans to accept yet another small diminishing of America's leadership role?

#84 | Posted by Foreigner at 2019-09-13 12:11 PM | Reply

"The islands will be uninhabitable to all but the most hearty for some time; rebuilding will be long and difficult ( I speak from experience ) and the ability to get on island quickly, make decisions, deal with practical matters and get out again will be very important. This cannot be done from the UK."

Exactly what I've been thinking. Rebuilding is sort of difficult from however many thousands of miles it is to Great Britain. Living in Florida, access is readily available by fairly small boats.

#85 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-13 12:17 PM | Reply

"they have been taking taxes from their former colony since 1973. Let them fix one of the largest cash cows in the Commonwealth.

#3 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2019-09-11 08:26 PM | REPLY | FLAG:"

I like to think I stay fairly current with matters involving the Commonwealth, but I have never heard of the Bahamas, nor any other Commonwealth country for that matter, paying taxes to the UK. I would be grateful for a link to the source of your claim so that I can educate myself.

#86 | Posted by Foreigner at 2019-09-13 12:24 PM | Reply

If this were biblical times Gawd would have destroyed America and turned Melania into a pillar of salt for turning away so many strangers in their time of need.

#87 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-09-13 12:52 PM | Reply

Most people understand that the Bahama's isnt the U.S.'s responsibility. Our country isnt responsible for it's infrastructure or it's people. That's an England thing.

#35 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2019-09-13 08:50 AM | REPLY

Actually it IS our Responsibility.

#88 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-09-13 03:45 PM | Reply

"Most people understand that the Bahama's isnt the U.S.'s responsibility."

Monroe Doctrine?

#89 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-13 03:48 PM | Reply

"Actually it IS our Responsibility.
POSTED BY LAURAMOHR AT 2019-09-13 03:45 PM |"

Why?

#90 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-13 03:50 PM | Reply

good succinct answer, snoofy.

#91 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-09-13 03:53 PM | Reply

Trumpers were adamant that they don't want America to be the world's policeman.
That I can get, and it has a fairly broad appeal across the parties.

But now the Trumeprs don't even want Col. Jessep on the wall of the Western Hemisphere.
What happened to America First?
Now it's just America Go Home.

#92 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-13 04:03 PM | Reply

Monroe Doctrine. Oh yeah the permissive terrorist document.

#93 | Posted by fresno500 at 2019-09-13 05:29 PM | Reply

Call it what you want, abandoning it opens the door for someone else to police the hemisphere, just like abandoning the post-war hegemony opens the door for someone else to police the world.

#94 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-13 05:31 PM | Reply

"Call it what you want, abandoning it opens the door for someone else to police the hemisphere,

#94 | POSTED BY SNOOFY"

Works for me. I'm tired of the USA being the world's cops.

#95 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-13 05:33 PM | Reply

Who would you prefer be the world's cops, Goatman?

#96 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-13 05:36 PM | Reply

"Who would you prefer be the world's cops, Goatman?

#96 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

I don't believe in global cops. Each country can police themselves as they see fit.

#97 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-13 05:39 PM | Reply

"I don't believe in global cops."

Do you believe in geopolitics? Because the "global cops" you don't believe in... are on the vanguard.

#98 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-13 05:42 PM | Reply

"Do you believe in geopolitics? Because the "global cops" you don't believe in... are on the vanguard.

#98 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-09-13 05:42 PM "

I feel being pulled in by the snoofygames (tm) endless questions tractor beam

I don't really want to play, snoofy.

#99 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-13 05:47 PM | Reply

If you want to know what the Bahamians seeking the US's assistance went through, check this video:

www.youtube.com

Quite an eye opener.

#100 | Posted by Foreigner at 2019-09-13 05:59 PM | Reply

"Each country can police themselves as they see fit."

They literally cannot.
The Monroe Doctrine is at odds with that concept.

#101 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-13 06:50 PM | Reply

Meanwhile, in Hong Kong, hundreds of thousands (millions?) are taking to the streets because Hong Kong cannot police themselves as they see fit.

Fates don't care about what your feelings.

#102 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-13 06:52 PM | Reply

"They literally cannot.
#101 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

So?

#103 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-13 06:52 PM | Reply

So what you said is wrong.

#104 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-13 06:53 PM | Reply

The Monroe Doctrine is at odds with that concept.

#101 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

No it's not. The Monroe doctrine was written about European nations. (you didn't know this? Or are you trolling?) And as far as I know, they are all policing themselves just fine.

#105 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-13 06:54 PM | Reply

"So what you said is wrong.

#104 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-09-13 06:53 PM "

Citation needed.

#106 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-13 06:55 PM | Reply

"The Monroe doctrine was written about European nations."

That's like saying "The Second Amendment was written about muskets."

#107 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-13 06:55 PM | Reply

""The Monroe doctrine was written about European nations."
That's like saying "The Second Amendment was written about muskets."

#107 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

Make whatever stupid analogies you want. I am correct.

en.wikipedia.org

#108 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-13 06:57 PM | Reply

Another thread ended with snoofy games.

#109 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-13 06:58 PM | Reply

Another thread ended with snoofy games.
#109 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

That's a matter of perspective.

#110 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-09-13 07:59 PM | Reply

"Make whatever stupid analogies you want. I am correct."

Calm down, Goatman.

The Monroe Doctrine is the rationalization for all that gunboat diplomacy stuff further down in that article you posted about the Monroe Doctrine, is all I'm saying.

#111 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-13 08:08 PM | Reply

The Commonwealth realms are, for purposes of international relations, sovereign states. They are united only in their voluntary connection with the institution of the monarchy,[8] the succession, and the Queen herself; the person of the sovereign and the Crown were said in 1936 to be "the most important and vital link" between the realms.

The
Queen has no real power in the countries of the commonwealth and only serves as a figurehead for the parliamentary system of governance they inherited.

#112 | Posted by Scotty at 2019-09-13 11:47 PM | Reply

"Queen has no real power in the countries of the commonwealth and only serves as a figurehead for the parliamentary system of governance they inherited.

#112 | POSTED BY SCOTTY AT 2019-09-13 11:47 PM |"

Nor does the US. Thank you.

However, the Bahamas do have a connection to the crown being part of the Commonwealth. It may be tenuous (I won't argue pro or con) but it is a connection. They actually have a picture of the queen on their currency. All the US has in common with the Bahamas is the Continental shelf. That's it. No political connect at all as the UK has.

#113 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-13 11:54 PM | Reply

The Bahamas is the third richest country in the Americas (after the US and Canada). But their relief to the US after Katrina was only $50,000. We've already given them 200x that. The UK has given only $1.5 million (vs the US aid of $10 million)
Yet people choose to hate Trump rather than the nation who should be doing more for the Bahamas.
Hate is an awful thing. It robs people of all objectivity, not to mention robbing their own souls.
Citations to back up my claims
reliefweb.int
en.wikipedia.org
en.wikipedia.org

#78 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2019-09-13 10:46 AM | REPLY

That is where conservative ideology fails.

It doesn't matter how much other countries have sent. We should do what needs to be done. I don't care how much money the UK has spent. I care about thousands of homeless people 40 miles away from our shore who need help.

#114 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-09-14 12:30 PM | Reply

"It doesn't matter how much other countries have sent. We should do what needs to be done. I don't care how much money the UK has spent. I care about thousands of homeless people 40 miles away from our shore who need help.

POSTED BY HATTER5183 "

I know exactly what would happen based on the behavior and responses of liberals in other similar events. They would whine that the FEMA trailers are inadequate. They would wring their hands that someone didn't get a toothbrush. They would say the meals aren't coming fast enough or aren't good enough.

Hatter5183, why don't you volunteer to take in one of these displaced families. Put them up in your home. Show your compassion and maybe others will follow. Talk is cheap.

#115 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-14 12:38 PM | Reply

#115

Then it would be fair if you personally told some of these Bahamians they can't stay here.

Yeah, talk is always cheap among bullies.

#116 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-14 12:57 PM | Reply

"Yeah, talk is always cheap among bullies.

#116 | POSTED BY ZED"

Yes, it is. But bullies have nothing to do with my post.

You and snoofy love this game, but I'm not playing it today. I'm off to find intelligent and purposeful posts, and you never seem to be able to offer any. All you have are non-sequiturs, assigning false positions, and stupid metaphors.

Bye now, zed.

#117 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-14 01:06 PM | Reply

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