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Wednesday, September 11, 2019

While North Carolina Democrats were remembering the lives lost on Sept. 11, 2001, their Republican colleagues took advantage of their absence and voted to override the governor's budget veto Wednesday morning.

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The verdict is now plain. North Carolina's Republican legislative leaders " not actually leaders, but connivers " are beyond shame.

In a stunning display of contempt for democracy, House Speaker Tim Moore, a Cleveland County Republican, called a surprise vote to overturn Democratic Gov. Roy Cooper's veto of the state budget just after a session opened at 8:30 a.m. Wednesday. Democratic lawmakers and the media had been told by Republican leaders that there would be no vote in the morning.

Most Democrats were absent. Enough Republicans, aware of the secret plan, were there. When Rep. Jason Saine, a Lincolnton Republican, made the motion to reconsider the state budget, the handful of Democrats on hand objected strenuously. With these Republicans a travesty of the process is just business as usual. With only 64 of the House's 120 members present, the vote to override passed 55-9.

Ladies and gentlemen, THIS is your North Carolina Republican party. Machiavelli salutes you!

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-11 06:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

No comments from the usual gaggle of know-it-all pocket "constitutionalists" or founding father seance communers

They must be too busy lecturing everyone on some tweet that means nothing than to have an "honest discussion" about the theft of democracy in NC

You know, cause libbies love the Chinese and resent paying more for less

#2 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-09-11 06:29 PM | Reply

It only needs a 2/3 majority of those present?
That's ripe for abuse.
Oh look it got abused!

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-11 06:31 PM | Reply

I suspect Republicans in NC have about jumped the shark. We need for voters all over the nation to recognize this is what Republicans are, sold out con men willing to do anything to protect their rich donors. That is all they are and it is getting steadily worse.

#4 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-11 07:21 PM | Reply

More proof that Republicans can only win when they cheat.

#5 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-09-11 07:36 PM | Reply

I predict NC will be solidly blue for the foreseeable future within 2 presidential elections.

It isn't stuffed full of right wing morons anymore.

The Republican barely won in yesterday's special U.S. House election despite Trump carrying the historically Republican district by 12 points, which, I think, will not be the case next year.

Some people gave Trump a chance, but next year only morons will vote to reelect him with all the evidence that he is the wrong man for the job.

#6 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-11 07:46 PM | Reply

Don't get me wrong, this kind of dirty pool is despicable, but you have to admit for a political move it was pretty masterful.

As Bill Belichick has said, its only cheating if you are breaking the rules.

#7 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-11 08:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#6

I really wish I could agree with you but living here and interacting with other people on a regular basis I don't see it happening.

Heck I'm in the triangle the liberal core of the state and even here there is not an overwhelming rise up against republicans.

We were the only state to end expanded unemployment early post 2008 and the speaker of the house who did that became our senator. We have 85% popular support for medical marijuana and the legislature is trying to ban smokable hemp. Yet the same representatives who are ignoring their constituents will be re-elected.

Actually if anything does them in that will be it, don't piss off NC farmers.

#8 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2019-09-11 08:25 PM | Reply

We have 85% popular support for medical marijuana and the legislature is trying to ban smokable hemp.

Once the tobacco companies are ready to move into weed en masse, NC will have a rapid change of heart.

#9 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-11 08:30 PM | Reply

"masterful"

All they did was lie.

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-11 08:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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All they did was lie.

Masterfully.

Like all Republicans.

#11 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-09-11 08:53 PM | Reply

You snooze, you lose.

#12 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-11 09:00 PM | Reply

This is an absolute dick move. It is also brilliant politics.

#13 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-09-11 09:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Don't get me wrong, this kind of dirty pool is despicable, but you have to admit for a political move it was pretty masterful.

This is an absolute dick move. It is also brilliant politics.

There it is right out in the open, the modern day Republican ethos: "Winning politically is the only thing. As long as it isn't prosecutable, then what's the harm? That's what we call smart politics."

The only reason most of their non-collegial behavior isn't against the law is that until these times no politician thought elected officials would do these things that are so obviously and blatantly against the fairness and respect owed to the equal rights to citizenship of those who politically disagree with you. It would be one thing if the other side had been gaming the first, but that was not the case, and the Republicans achieved their pyrrhic victory simply by lying. And some call it masterful and brilliant....

Not only is lying acceptable in today's GOP, it's become a foundational principle. And we see the ones who espouse it daily as they try and convince us of their moderation while back-handedly admiring pure deviancy and disrespect for fellow elected officials and the constituencies they represent - as only their voters deserve to get what they want. Such as circumventing the normal legislative protocols and taking advantage of 9/11 to do it.

I'm tired of hearing about how not all people in the GOP are this, that, or the other. It shouldn't matter. Regardless of party and regardless of current laws, right is still right and wrong is still wrong. But for the GOP, if wrong isn't illegal, then it's not their problem.

#14 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-11 09:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"But for the GOP, if wrong isn't illegal, then it's not their problem.

POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2019-09-11 09:56 PM "

Its not just the GOP. Are you really unaware of how thinly the Clintons stretched laws to their benefit?

#15 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-11 10:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#14

Calm down DRama Queen. The Democrats invented these kinds of shenanigans, read any history about Tammany Hall or the Chicago Machine and get back to me about how "awful" the GOP is.

This is nothing compared to stunts that both sides of the aisle have pulled in the past on each other.

#16 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-11 10:11 PM | Reply

get back to me about how "awful" the GOP is.

They're a rotting sack of greed and shht.

Glad I could field that for you.

#17 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-09-11 10:17 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#17

That made me laugh.

Now do Boss Tweed!

#18 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-11 11:14 PM | Reply

#18

The one who died in jail?

#19 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2019-09-12 05:56 AM | Reply

When the bill was in the House, some Dems voted for it, but said they'd support to sustain the veto.

According to NC, the Rep have the majority in the State Senate to override.

My question is to the House Dems...if you voted for it, why did you change your mind?

Original House vote was 64-49 with 7 absence? This was the State budget and 7 fools didn't vote. The budget is probably the biggest bill to vote on.

#20 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-09-12 07:11 AM | Reply

The Democrats invented these kinds of shenanigans, read any history about Tammany Hall or the Chicago Machine and get back to me about how "awful" the GOP is.

Was I speaking to history Rerun? Try reading instead of wasting peoples' time with knee jerk non-analogous critiquing of something I already clearly considered and defined myself!

...the modern day Republican ethos...; Regardless of party and regardless of current laws, right is still right and wrong is still wrong.
The NC Democrats were not using any unusual, disrespectful tactics to politically get over on the Republicans. THAT is the point. The Senate Democrats did not try to get a Supreme Court nominee - their party's President duly nominated - the usual Senate confirmation process through subterfuge and lies. Obama did not intentionally fail to fill federal judgeships - which were his constitutional right to nominate individuals for - and not expect them to receive the usual deference of timely confirmation hearings and votes.

Today's Republicans have taken zero-sum, -- politics to new depths. If there's no expressly written law or rule against what they do, then that alone makes it alright. And no, today's Democrats are not guilty of even considering the same tactics, much less using a 9/11 memorial service and a public lie to achieve their desired ends.

If it wasn't for clutching your pearls and slinging arrows of criticism toward other posters, you're about as useless as teats on a boar. And twice as insufferable.

#21 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-12 07:35 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This is an absolute dick move. It is also brilliant politics.

#13 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

It's sick watching so many express admiration for this subversion or NC voters.

If you want to know what's killing our country, have a long look in the mirror.

#22 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-12 08:13 AM | Reply

Calm down DRama Queen. The Democrats invented these kinds of shenanigans, read any history about Tammany Hall or the Chicago Machine and get back to me about how "awful" the GOP is.

This is nothing compared to stunts that both sides of the aisle have pulled in the past on each other.

#16 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Interesting. You justify this by comparing it to the textbook examples of political corruption and dishonesty.

Awareness. Still wandering alone in the righty wilderness.

#23 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-12 08:16 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And twice as insufferable.

#21 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

Just so I understand the comparison, how insufferable are tests on a boar?

#24 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-12 08:18 AM | Reply

Just so I understand the comparison, how insufferable are te(a)ts on a boar?

I would say fairly insufferable - if you're a piglet trying to get sustenance from an appendage incapable of providing any.

Get the comparison now? LOL...

#25 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-12 08:45 AM | Reply

I think this points to how we need to reexamine the way we run our legislatures. Not sure how their rules differ from other legislative bodies in other areas, but if the legislature is open for business people clearly need to come to work, in North Carolina at least.

#26 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2019-09-12 09:02 AM | Reply

Just Republicans doing what Republicans do, lying and screwing over the people. Pretty dumb of anyone to trust them at this point. How many times do you have to get stung before you stop sticking your hand in a hornet nest?

#27 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2019-09-12 09:07 AM | Reply

but if the legislature is open for business people clearly need to come to work

The Democrats WERE at work. They and the governor were nearby at a public memorial service for 9/11 because the GOP leadership told them that there would be no votes yesterday morning, in deference to those attending the event. The GOP lied, and then held the override vote.

#28 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-12 09:07 AM | Reply

"The verdict is now plain. North Carolina's Republican legislative leaders . . are beyond shame."

Yep.

#29 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-12 09:16 AM | Reply

I'll just repost the something I said in the original thread about this.

This is typical behavior for the NC House since the republicans drew their highly gerrymandered, unconstitutional districts. We'll see what the equally awful Senate does next.

Thankfully the districts will be redrawn next year and maybe some sanity will come back to NC state politics....not gonna hold my breath waiting for that to happen though.

On the bright side, even though Dan Bishop won the 9th district do-over election last night he did so by the skin of his teeth in a ridiculously gerrymandered district where a republican should have had a cake walk victory. That bodes well for a change, at least at the state level, with new district maps coming.

#30 | Posted by qcp at 2019-09-12 09:19 AM | Reply

"They and the governor were nearby at a public memorial service for 9/11 because the GOP leadership told them..."

I'm seeing images in my head of Queen Margaery as it suddenly occurs to her why Cersei hasn't arrived for her trial.

After all the games the North Carolina GOP has played I'm having a hard time generating a whole lot of sympathy for anybody who continues to believe anything they say. It's a failure of the Dem leadership in that state that they didn't predict this as a possibility.

#31 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2019-09-12 10:04 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Don't get me wrong, this kind of dirty pool is despicable, but you have to admit for a political move it was pretty masterful.

As Bill Belichick has said, its only cheating if you are breaking the rules.

#7 | Posted by Rightocenter

Your party is disgusting. Dems were at a 9/11 memorial. If dems did this to repubs, fox would have to start a whole new channel to scream about it 24/7.

#32 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-12 02:45 PM | Reply

You snooze, you lose.

#12 | Posted by goatman

Democracy not on your side? Just cheat!

Maybe dems could just start slashing the tires of republican legislators before crucial votes so they can't get to the chamber?

#33 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-12 02:47 PM | Reply

What a shocker. Another fake news story that got corrected by local media.

North Carolina journalist Colin Campbell, who writes for the Raleigh News and Observer and other local publications, noted in a tweet yesterday that in reality only one House Democrat had attended a 9/11 ceremony:.....

In fact, numerous other Democrats were indeed working at the state legislature on 9/11 instead of attending remembrances. Yesterday was not a national holiday and there were bills on the calendar for reconsideration among other important state issues that were being addressed by legislators in both parties.

Another News and Observer journalist noted that audio from Tuesday's session confirmed votes would be taken on 9/11:


www.redstate.com

#34 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-09-12 02:49 PM | Reply

Speaks,

Now that you know the truth you should retract #32 and #33.

#35 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-09-12 02:49 PM | Reply

The Dems best option right now is to milk public sympathy and expose the Pubs as heartless opportunists.

Either that or grab their ankles.

#36 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-09-12 02:50 PM | Reply

Republicans don't care about 9/11. Just look at how they treated the first responders as evidence of this.

#37 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-09-12 02:54 PM | Reply

#37

Looks like someone didn't read #34

#38 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-12 03:03 PM | Reply

Now that you know the truth you should retract #32 and #33.

#35 | Posted by JeffJ

Yeah. "The truth" according to REDSTATE.ORG right jeff?

You're pathetic. Why was this vote held when dems weren't there?

#39 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-12 03:23 PM | Reply

Yeah. "The truth" according to REDSTATE.ORG right jeff?
You're pathetic. Why was this vote held when dems weren't there?

#39 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

No, "the truth" according to local reporters. Redstate quoted those reporters and that's what I put in blockquote.

WaPo had to issue an update to their story because they got called out for bad reporting.

You're making a fool of yourself. But that's par for the course because you are unable to ever admit error because in your feeble mind you actually believe you are never wrong.

#40 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-09-12 03:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

As we see here on the Retort its all about DRama, facts don't matter.

#41 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-12 03:35 PM | Reply

Yeah. "The truth" according to REDSTATE.ORG right jeff?
You're pathetic. Why was this vote held when dems weren't there?

POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2019-09-12 03:23 PM | REPLY

REDSTATE???/? Giggles hehehehe that's hilarious.

#42 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-09-12 03:36 PM | Reply

"You snooze, you lose.
#12 | Posted by goatman

Democracy not on your side? Just cheat!
Maybe dems could just start slashing the tires of republican legislators before crucial votes so they can't get to the chamber?

#33 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY "

Slashing tires is illegal.

The NC Legislature voting while some members are not present isn't. Nor is it cheating.

I hope this helps.

#43 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-12 03:37 PM | Reply

House dem Deb Butler D-New Hanover, said at 5:20 mark, Dems were downstairs drawing maps.

Dems had a redistricting meeting the day of the posted vote

#44 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-09-12 04:04 PM | Reply

REDSTATE???/? Giggles hehehehe that's hilarious.

#42 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

Local reporters and WaPo had to issue a correction.

Giggles hehehehe that is hilarious.

Like Speaks, you just can't help yourself.

#45 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-09-12 04:05 PM | Reply

Also, the judge declared all maps to be done publicly. The dems potentially violated that order

#46 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-09-12 04:06 PM | Reply

REDSTATE???/? Giggles hehehehe that's hilarious.
Posted by LauraMohr

National Review??? Seriously???
Posted by LauraMohr

That publication[Spectator] is obscene, I will never read anything in it. Boaz needs to buy some morals.
Posted by danni

I'm detecting a pattern here: Mohrons who are terrified of any source that doesn't confirm their belief.

#47 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-12 04:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

47

no no no...they are objective folks who weigh both sides......consider differing perspectives.

#48 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-12 04:27 PM | Reply

I'll look at those sources, but it's be nice to see anyone on the right admit those sources are slanted.

For example, in another thread, redstate was cited as a source for a claim and it turned out their source was a statement made on TV by a known conspiracy theorist while he made an appearance on Fox News and that there was no further substantiation of the claim. I can see why others would just discard redstate out of hand because it is basically a waste of time to click through and find out there's no facts to back up what's being said.

#49 | Posted by JOE at 2019-09-12 04:39 PM | Reply

No, "the truth" according to local reporters. Redstate quoted those reporters and that's what I put in blockquote.

WaPo had to issue an update to their story because they got called out for bad reporting.

You're making a fool of yourself. But that's par for the course because you are unable to ever admit error because in your feeble mind you actually believe you are never wrong.

#40 | Posted by JeffJ

Answer the question - why was this vote held when dems weren't there REGARDLESS of WHY they weren't there?

Is that how you think democracy is meant to function?

#50 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-12 05:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Today's GOP admires dick moves, lies, misrepresentations, dirty tricks and insults. Makes them giggle and snort and show up by the thousands at Trump rallies.

Trickery helps them "win" even when they lack the support of a majority of their constituents. They are proud to have abandoned the concept of a code of ethics for elected officials and their party leadership, much like the exuberance they seem to feel having abandoned the pretense of looking out for their fellow humans.

#51 | Posted by cbob at 2019-09-12 05:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

They are proud to have abandoned the concept of a code of ethics for elected officials and their party leadership, much like the exuberance they seem to feel having abandoned the pretense of looking out for their fellow humans.

#51 | Posted by cbob

They've failed classes, been called stupid, and been rejected by girls and society all their lives, and republican immorality is their chance to get back at the world and make everyone else suffer too.

Decent people being upset means it's working and they're having their revenge. Too stupid of course to realize they're being hurt too.

#52 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-12 05:50 PM | Reply

#44

Also bad reporting. There was a democratic meeting discussing redistricting but it was not a closed door session drawing maps and all Democrats were not there. I can't find the link to that story but it was on weal.com earlier today.

Also from wral.com Most House Democrats didn't show up for a Wednesday morning floor session after House Democratic Leader Darren Jackson told them there would be no recorded votes on legislation. Jackson, D-Wake, said he based that on a conversation the day before with House Rules Chairman David Lewis.

The problem with this is Lewis doesn't call the votes Moore does so my question is why Jackson ran with it when he should have been aware that it wasn't Lewis who makes that decision.

#53 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2019-09-12 05:59 PM | Reply

Answer the question - why was this vote held when dems weren't there REGARDLESS of WHY they weren't there?

#50 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

You tell me.

You were convinced - duped by our MSM again (not your fault) - that the GOP tricked Dems into attending a 9/11 memorial event so they could stage this little thing while the Dems were away.

At this point the onus is on you, not me.

#54 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-09-13 12:31 AM | Reply

You tell me.

You were convinced - duped by our MSM again (not your fault) - that the GOP tricked Dems into attending a 9/11 memorial event so they could stage this little thing while the Dems were away.

At this point the onus is on you, not me.

#54 | Posted by JeffJ

WHY the dems weren't there doesn't matter. Do you think this is how government is supposed to function? With policy being made when the opportunity to ignore the will of the people is available?

#55 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-13 01:23 PM | Reply

"WHY the dems weren't there doesn't matter. Do you think this is how government is supposed to function? With policy being made when the opportunity to ignore the will of the people is available?

#55 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY "

The government is supposed to function according to rules. The rule for a NC legislature vote is that there is a quorum. They had one.

FTA

"The House can conduct business so long as it has a quorum " at least 61 lawmakers " present. Both chambers of the General Assembly need three-fifths majority of the members present and voting to override a veto from the governor. With 67 lawmakers present, only 40 votes were needed for the override."

#56 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-13 01:27 PM | Reply

The government is supposed to function according to rules. The rule for a NC legislature vote is that there is a quorum. They had one.

FTA

"The House can conduct business so long as it has a quorum " at least 61 lawmakers " present. Both chambers of the General Assembly need three-fifths majority of the members present and voting to override a veto from the governor. With 67 lawmakers present, only 40 votes were needed for the override."

#56 | Posted by goatman

Too bad repubs dont put all that impressive brainpower they use to cheat the system into actually helping people and fixing the country.

When it comes to figuring out how to thwart the will of the people they're all legal geniuses finding every loophole in the fine print. Then when it comes to improving the lives of the citizens they're all totally impotent.

#57 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-13 03:02 PM | Reply

"Too bad repubs dont put all that impressive brainpower they use to cheat the system into actually helping people and fixing the country.

POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY"

Too bad Democrats aren't smart enough to understand the rules and are forever being outsmarted by those wascally Wepublicans.

#58 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-13 03:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"WHY the dems weren't there doesn't matter. Do you think this is how government is supposed to function?"

He does.
"Blood sport" and all that.

#59 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-13 03:12 PM | Reply

Too bad Democrats aren't smart enough to understand the rules and are forever being outsmarted by those wascally Wepublicans.

#58 | Posted by goatman

Evil sociopaths always tell themselves everyone would behave like they do if they were just smart enough.

#60 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-13 04:03 PM | Reply

Too bad those coeds weren't able to see through that wascally Ted Bundy's ruse!
What a shame for them.
Life goes on.

#61 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-13 04:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Evil sociopaths always tell themselves everyone would behave like they do if they were just smart enough.

#60 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2019-09-13 04:03 PM |"

The only way you could know that is if you are one of them

#62 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-13 04:10 PM | Reply

"Too bad those coeds weren't able to see through that wascally Ted Bundy's ruse!
What a shame for them.
Life goes on.

#61 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-09-13 04:04 PM | REPLY | FLAG:"

Duh. Too bad for ANY person who cant see through their murderers ruse.

Not clear on what it has to do with the topic, but thanks for that tidbit. I guess. LOL

#63 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-13 04:12 PM | Reply

"Too bad for ANY person who cant see through their murderers ruse."

This doesn't strike you as victim-blaming?

#64 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-13 04:15 PM | Reply

"This doesn't strike you as victim-blaming?

#64 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

Yes. Why did you bring it up?

#65 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-13 04:16 PM | Reply

Because you're blaming the victim.

#66 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-13 04:17 PM | Reply

"Because you're blaming the victim.

#66 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

I was following up on what you said:

"Too bad those coeds weren't able to see through that wascally Ted Bundy's ruse!
What a shame for them.
Life goes on.

#61 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

But you know that.

No snoofygames (tm) bait for me.

Bye, now!

#67 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-13 04:23 PM | Reply

"I was following up on what you said:"

As was I, when I followed up on what you said, to point out that it's blaming the victim.

#68 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-13 05:15 PM | Reply

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