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Thursday, September 12, 2019

A court in Scotland added to the unending Brexit mess on Wednesday, by unanimously ruling Prime Minister Boris Johnson lied to the queen in order to suspend Parliament, a move it has labeled unlawful.

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#1 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-11 06:54 PM | Reply

Wow, he is the British Donald Trump.

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-11 06:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Wow, he is the British Donald Trump.

#2 | Posted by Zed

I've been saying that for some time. Just another spoiled rich boy who won't have to suffer the financial consequences of actions that will hurt everyday Brits.

#3 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-11 07:13 PM | Reply

You mean those everyday Brits that voted for Brexit? Those everyday Brits?

#4 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-11 07:28 PM | Reply

"You mean those everyday Brits that voted for Brexit? Those everyday Brits?"

Much like everyday Americans who voted for Trump so they can watch manufacturing jobs contracting due to his trade war; i.e. people who believe con men.

#5 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-11 07:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"You mean those everyday Brits that voted for Brexit? Those everyday Brits?"

Them, plus the ones who didn't.

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-11 08:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Danni, those jobs were already contracting before the trade war, and anyone who thinks that the trade war is going to bring back jobs is sorely confused. That boat sailed with Clinton/Bush/Obama.

#7 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-11 08:15 PM | Reply

"You mean those everyday Brits that voted for Brexit? Those everyday Brits?

#4 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2019-09-11 07:28 PM | REPLY | FLAG:"

This is one of those simplistic statements that is worth a second glance.

Just over 25% of the UK population voted for Brexit; the majority ( 74%) either voted against ( just under 25% of the UK population), did not vote ( shame on them ) or were not able to vote ( for example some 1.6m UK citizens living abroad could not vote, even though they will lose their EU passport - enough to have swung the decision remain's way).

More importantly, although leaving was a straight in or out vote, every leave campaigner, from Johnson to Farage, emphasized that the UK would get the best deal ever ( shades of Trump) and that leaving without a deal was not an option. So voting leave was not a vote for a no deal, potentially catastrophic exit, the option Johnson has championed.

Johnson was also not elected by everyday Brits. He was elected by just over 92,000 Conservative party members, almost to a man/woman middle class, relatively wealthy and older individuals, least impacted by Brexit and most motivated by dreams of lost empire.

It is clear now that Leave got the most votes in the way that a suicide victim gets the final say - definitive but very wrong.

#8 | Posted by Foreigner at 2019-09-12 04:29 AM | Reply

"Danni, those jobs were already contracting before the trade war, and anyone who thinks that the trade war is going to bring back jobs is sorely confused. That boat sailed with Clinton/Bush/Obama."

Well, we now pretty much know that Trump's EO tariffs won't bring those jobs back but we don't know that targeted tariffs, passed by Congress, couldn't rebuild some industries. You can make all the blanket statements you want but really you aren't exactly a good predictor of the future economy any more than Trump is.

#9 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-12 08:33 AM | Reply

When you have the entire world moving faster and faster every year, and governments moving at the same speed they have for centuries...this is what happens.

#10 | Posted by humtake at 2019-09-12 12:09 PM | Reply

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@#8 ... More importantly, although leaving was a straight in or out vote, every leave campaigner, from Johnson to Farage, emphasized that the UK would get the best deal ever ( shades of Trump) and that leaving without a deal was not an option.

So voting leave was not a vote for a no deal, potentially catastrophic exit, the option Johnson has championed. ...


I had not seen that viewpoint expressed previously.

Almost cries out for a second referendum, now that there is much more knowledge of the consequences and benefits of BRExit.

It will interesting to watch this progress...


#11 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-09-12 12:38 PM | Reply

--Almost cries out for a second referendum

Yeah, keep voting until the plebes get it right and agree with their betters, the corporate globalist elites.

#12 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-12 12:44 PM | Reply

@#12 ... Yeah, keep voting until the plebes get it right ...

Not really.

What I'm seeing is the possible need for another referendum to put to rest the deal vs no-deal BRExit question. How many people who voted for a BRExit in the referendum wanted their vote to mean a no-deal BRExit?

If the people change their mind, so be it. Such a change of mind will have been done with additional information available regarding what BRExit means. More information to make voting decisions is a good thing, yes?

Though, from what I've seen, any additional vote will be as close as, or even closer, than the original vote. That's why I think it might be informative to separate out the deal vs no-deal options.

If PM Johnson crashes out of the EU with no deal, is that really what the referendum indicated should be done? Was PM Johnson just prevaricating to get votes in favor of a BRExit when he said that the deal to leave the EU would be the best deal ever?




#13 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-09-12 01:08 PM | Reply

A no deal Brexit could have unforseen consequences like forcing N. Ireland to rejoin the Republic of Ireland because they would lose free access to markets, farms, etc.

#14 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-12 01:35 PM | Reply

lied

So Boris is the UK Trump.

#15 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2019-09-12 02:28 PM | Reply

If the people change their mind, so be it. Such a change of mind will have been done with additional information available regarding what BRExit means. More information to make voting decisions is a good thing, yes?

Informed decisions happen before the vote. The vote already happened. This is called subversion of democracy.

#16 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2019-09-12 03:19 PM | Reply

"Almost cries out for a second referendum....

#11 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER "

You would think so but unfortunately the politics and political self interest is just too murky.

The Labour Party would seem to logically be the politic party to champion a second referendum, but as recently as 1983 they had leaving the EU as a main stay of their political manifesto. Jeremy Corbyn has been a life long Euro skeptic. Both these positions are driven by EU regulations that would prevent the UK Labour Party from introducing certain socialist policies they favor. Under Corbyn, Labour have pretty much blown their chance to lead on this issue and the other parties are too weak individually to lead.

I would favor a second referendum, not because I favor " corporate globalist elites " but because I believe democratic solutions are the way to go, as long as the voter has some chance of sifting facts from fake news and lies. This was not the case with the first referendum and Boris Johnson was largely responsible for perpetrating the worst and most influential lies. Here is an interesting list of Brexit lies to date:

https://brexitlies.com

Your observation that even a second referendum would be close is in my view spot on, because the whole issue has dragged on so long that many people just want it over, damn the consequences.

#17 | Posted by Foreigner at 2019-09-12 03:20 PM | Reply

If there were a re-vote, Brexit would lose in a landslide according to most polls.

#18 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-09-12 04:26 PM | Reply

If the people can be trusted to make the "right" decision the first time, why shouldn't they be trusted to make the same "right" decision with a second referendum? If you oppose a second referendum, it can only mean a few things:

1. You don't trust the people's vote, which begs the question why the first vote should be valid in the first place.
2. You're worried that additional information voters might receive between the two referendums will sway them from the original result, which sure seems like you're afraid of information.

I understand the counterargument that elections have consequences and you can't have a do-over for every vote you disagree with, but it seems that with an issue this complex and impactful, careful deliberation and assurance of the will of the people would be seen as a an admirable goal and not something to be avoided.

#19 | Posted by dylanfan at 2019-09-12 04:37 PM | Reply

The corporate globalists and their tiny little stooges like ModerHate hate Brexit because it's a punch in the gut to the borderless, one-world fantasy that John Lennon wrote about when he was stoned.

#20 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-12 04:38 PM | Reply

--If you oppose a second referendum, it can only mean a few things"

Hey, let's do the 2016 election over again, too. You sore losers want to keep on re-voting until the unwashed masses do as they are told by the elite.

#21 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-12 04:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#21 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

We will vote again in 2020, I dont see how our POTUS election is similar...

#22 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2019-09-12 04:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--We will vote again in 2020, I dont see how our POTUS election is similar...

You understand that's not a re-vote, but a vote on a 2nd term, right?

#23 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-12 05:36 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#23 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Clearly, and as I stated the first time, "I dont see how our POTUS election is similar..."

#24 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2019-09-12 05:53 PM | Reply

Ever notice the same people who want to eliminate the electoral college are the same people who are just fine with railroading brexit voters?

#25 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2019-09-12 06:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"hate Brexit because it's a punch in the gut to the borderless, one-world fantasy"

No mention of the borderless reality that currently separates Ireland and Northern Ireland. Or all of Schengen area Europe.

It's quite telling that Nullifidian can only argue against his own imagination.

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-13 02:35 PM | Reply

You mean those everyday Brits that voted for Brexit? Those everyday Brits?

#4 | Posted by Rightocenter

Yup. The morons who bought putin's propaganda about why they should vote to hurt their country. Just like our morons did here.

#27 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-13 04:19 PM | Reply

Yeah, keep voting until the plebes get it right and agree with their betters, the corporate globalist elites.

#12 | Posted by nullifidian

When are you going to whine about the corporate globalist elites trump filled his white house with hypocrite?

#28 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-13 04:21 PM | Reply

Putin!

It's the one size fits all excuse for progressive hacks. It has hundreds of applications--from attacking Trump to shilling for plutocratic corporate globalism. It can slice, dice, chop, mince, grind, emulsify and...make ice cream!

#29 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-13 04:32 PM | Reply

#29 | Posted by nullifidian

When are you going to talk about the plutocratic corporatists chosen by trump to run the country hypocrite? Funny how you always run away from this question. You're furious about every plutocrat and corporatist in the world except the ones whispering in trumps ear.

#30 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-13 05:53 PM | Reply

"It can slice, dice, chop, mince, grind, emulsify and...make ice cream!"

And that's just what it does to journalists!
You know, journalists, or as Nullifidian, Trump, and Putin call them, "Enemies of The State."

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-13 06:49 PM | Reply

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