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Former acting FBI director Andrew McCabe's legal team has been notified that the Justice Department authorized prosecutors to seek an indictment against him for lying to investigators, according to two people familiar with the matter, though it remains unclear whether McCabe will be charged.

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This is really bad news for not only McCabe but also Strzok and Page (and maybe Comey). This also may be foreshadowing Denham's upcoming report, but that is mere speculation.

#1 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-12 02:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This is really bad news for not only McCabe but also Strzok and Page (and maybe Comey). This also may be foreshadowing Denham's upcoming report, but that is mere speculation.

#1 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Yesterday I read the IG report is complete and is now going through the redaction process.

Rumor is all 4 Carter Page FISA warrants were obtained illegally.

Now, that is only a rumor and I'm going to wait until the report is officially released.

I'm keeping my powder dry until then.

However, I'm considering buying a bunch of popcorn futures. If the rumor is true it will rock DC to its core.

#2 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-09-12 02:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#2

Who knows, I agree that it is all speculation until it is released.

Given the uproar about Flynn, it will be interesting to see what happens if the DC Grand Jury indicts McCabe.

#3 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-12 03:05 PM | Reply

Given the uproar about Flynn, it will be interesting to see what happens if the DC Grand Jury indicts McCabe.

#3 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

You know, it's kind of interesting.

Horowitz made the criminal referral for McCabe over a year ago. I've been wondering how it is that he skated. Then I read the rumor about the FISA warrants being obtained illegally and thought if he was involved in getting those warrants approved by the FICA judge maybe this is the reason for the delay? At this point it's all speculative.

#4 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-09-12 03:11 PM | Reply

Rumor is all 4 Carter Page FISA warrants were obtained illegally.

Jesus christ. Trump already released the FISA applications for the Page warrants (a fairly unprecedented move) and whoever you get your "rumors" from is still running with this --------? What a joke the right has become.

#5 | Posted by JOE at 2019-09-12 03:12 PM | Reply

#5

This "--------" is the focus of Denham's investigation.

#6 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-12 03:16 PM | Reply

#5 Focus on the word "rumor", Joe.

Until it's substantiated it's just that - a rumor.

We should know one way or another in a few weeks when the report is officially released.

#7 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-09-12 03:21 PM | Reply

#7

Exactly, but I want to thank Joe for a preview of the reaction from the DR Left when it gets released.

#8 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-12 03:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#6 A rumor you're spreading. And where did you hear it?

#9 | Posted by JOE at 2019-09-12 03:54 PM | Reply

This "--------" is the focus of Denham's investigation.

The investigation relates to McCabe's contacts with the media, none of which would make a FISA application "illegal."

#10 | Posted by JOE at 2019-09-12 03:56 PM | Reply

I'd also like to know where this rumor is being sourced from.

This?

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Washington Examiner. LOFL

#11 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-12 04:06 PM | Reply

www.countable.us

Unless they uncovered new info there doesn't seem to be anything on the down low on the FISA applications.

Just like Joe said.

#12 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-12 04:09 PM | Reply

This is what I read regarding the rumor.

Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) appeared on "Hannity" on Monday night and said he expects the report to find that the FBI actions were illegal. Jordan is the ranking member of the House Oversight Committee and a member of the House Judiciary Committee. Fox News Gregg Jarrett said he "absolutely" agreed.

On Monday, Washington lawyer and former U.S. Attorney Joe DiGenova told Washington's WMAL that, "I can report categorically that the inspector general has found that all four FISA warrants were illegal. They were based on false information supplied to the FISA Court. And Michael Horowitz has concluded that all four FISA warrants were illegal."


www.redstate.com

As for me...I'll believe it when I see it.

#13 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-09-12 04:10 PM | Reply

I suspect this will be one of those topics' "conservatives" will quickly glad-hand and backslap prematurely, never to mentioned again once the report materializes because its conclusion makes the predictions made here look ridiculous, (H/T jeffyj)
There are so many things "conservatives" seem to be waiting for right now
The trade war, the exploding deficit, qanon, the return of coal and manufacturing jobs.
It's as if they really believe this ---- show is going to suddenly right itself

Brain Damaged!

#14 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-09-12 04:13 PM | Reply

Since I went to that site to provide sourcing for the rumor I read about, they just posted this:

U.S. Attorney Jessie Liu has recommended moving forward with charges against Andrew McCabe, Fox News has learned, as the Justice Department rejects a last-ditch appeal from the former top FBI official.

McCabe " the former deputy and acting director of the FBI " appealed the decision of the U.S. attorney for Washington all the way up to Jeffrey Rosen, the deputy attorney general, but he rejected that request, according to a person familiar with the situation.

The potential charges relate to DOJ inspector general findings against him regarding misleading statements concerning a Hillary Clinton-related investigation.

A source close to McCabe's legal team said they received an email from the Department of Justice which said, "The Department rejected your appeal of the United States Attorney's Office's decision in this matter. Any further inquiries should be directed to the United States Attorney's Office."


www.redstate.com

#15 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-09-12 04:13 PM | Reply

The McCabe recommendations were from his leaking info to the media, no?

I think it's been funny how they word that, almost as if they compulsively have to mention "Hillary investigation".

#16 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-12 04:21 PM | Reply

misleading statements concerning a Hillary Clinton-related investigation.

Yep.

Misleading statements to investigators regarding leaks to the WSJ.

Zero to do with FISA applications.

#17 | Posted by JOE at 2019-09-12 04:22 PM | Reply

Joe DiGenova is quite possibly the least reliable source on anything, ever.

#18 | Posted by JOE at 2019-09-12 04:24 PM | Reply

The McCabe recommendations were from his leaking info to the media, no?

#16 | POSTED BY JPW

I think it was for lying to investigators.

Joe DiGenova is quite possibly the least reliable source on anything, ever.

#18 | POSTED BY JOE

I don't know much about him.

I don't place much stock in rumors.

#19 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-09-12 04:27 PM | Reply

-- Joe DiGenova is quite possibly the least reliable source on anything, ever.

Translation: He's right of center and doesn't confirm my beliefs.

#20 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-12 04:33 PM | Reply

"Zero to do with FISA applications."

leftcoastoecentrelawyer is the worst pretend litigator ever

routinely gets handed his ass by anonymous laymen on the internets

#21 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-09-12 04:50 PM | Reply

This will be nullified when all trump appointed judges, including fake Merrick Garland and bart o'kegerator, are rightfully impeached.

#22 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-09-12 05:06 PM | Reply

#22

Start holding your breath...now!

I will time it for you, Vizzini.

#23 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-12 05:22 PM | Reply

"I don't place much stock in rumors"

Says the liar who was all whimper and whiny for 8 years over a birth certificate "rumor"

Good grief

Inverted Morals

Brain Damaged

Grotesque Liar

#24 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-09-12 06:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It wasn't obvious at the beginning this was a coup plot. On the surface it looked like ordinary evil lying politics. But then it became obvious when you found out who was involved and why.

#25 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-09-12 08:29 PM | Reply

The drudge left won't know what to think until Tony and Gal cut and paste it.

#26 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-09-13 08:08 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

We'll all have to wait and see how far this proceeds but the rules in a court of law may expose facts that Trump and AG Coverup don't want exposed in court. I'll be sort of surprised if this actually goes to trial.

#27 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-13 08:39 AM | Reply

We'll all have to wait and see how far this proceeds but the rules in a court of law may expose facts that Trump and AG Coverup don't want exposed in court. I'll be sort of surprised if this actually goes to trial.

#27 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2019-09-13 08:39 AM | FLAG:

Wrong, if it doesn't go to court it will be because Mccabe struck a plea deal to expose others like Comey.

#28 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-09-13 09:41 AM | Reply

#28 LOL still clinging to the deep state conspiracy theory, are we?

I have no doubt you'll find ways to twist any findings that are coming. You did it with the Mueller report.

#29 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-13 09:48 AM | Reply

Unless they uncovered new info there doesn't seem to be anything on the down low on the FISA applications.
Just like Joe said.

#12 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-09-12 04:09 PM | FLAG:

The FISA issue comes up where Comey used the dossier as evidence when he knew that it was unvarified. He marked it varified in the application which started the whole Mueller investigation. This is going to get really ugly for the Dems, especially Mccabe, Comey, Brennon and Clapper. This email was telling about Obama's possible involvement. The email was sent on Jan. 5, 2017, by Obama's national security adviser Susan Rice, who forwarded the email to herself on inauguration day, Jan. 20. In it, she wrote that "President Obama said he wants to be sure that, as we engage with the incoming [Trump] team, we are mindful to ascertain if there is any reason that we cannot share information fully as it relates to Russia." Covering her tracks but for what reason?

#30 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-09-13 09:51 AM | Reply

I have no doubt you'll find ways to twist any findings that are coming. You did it with the Mueller report.

#29 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-09-13 09:48 AM | FLAG:

I twisted the findings in the Mueller report??? You still think it shows collusion! LOL

#31 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-09-13 09:53 AM | Reply

That you used the non legal term collusion supports my point.

You're nothing but a pull string doll programmed with Orange Schittheap talking points.

#32 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-13 10:07 AM | Reply

That you used the non legal term collusion supports my point.#32 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-09-13 10:07 AM | FLAG:

I only used it so you you would understand since you have been using the term for 3 years.

#33 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-09-13 10:15 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

No, I didn't.

I've actually accurately described the report.

#34 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-13 10:32 AM | Reply

Wrong, if it doesn't go to court it will be because Mccabe struck a plea deal to expose others like Comey.
#28 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

Rumor is everyone is rolling on MacCabe.

We'll all have to wait and see how far this proceeds but the rules in a court of law may expose facts that Trump and AG Coverup don't want exposed in court.

Why? The DRLeft just needs an anon source to hang someone and call them Nazi!

#35 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-13 10:32 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I've actually accurately described the report.
#34 | POSTED BY JPW

No you didn't ...

#36 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-13 10:32 AM | Reply

Comey used the dossier as evidence when he knew that it was unvarified. He marked it varified in the application which started the whole Mueller investigation

Lie.

#37 | Posted by JOE at 2019-09-13 10:40 AM | Reply

"Palmer Report"

lol. That's the Left's version of Infowars.

#38 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-13 10:48 AM | Reply

No you didn't ...

#36 | Posted by AndreaMackris

Yeah, I did.

But you're such a perpetual liar you can't even accurately describe reality anymore.

#39 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-13 10:51 AM | Reply

Lie.

#37 | Posted by JOE

It's stuff like this where you see how insidious Fox News is.

They repeatedly had "bombshells" turn out to be complete duds that were breathlessly hyped by the likes of Hannity et al then quietly and just barely reported on when they turned out to be nothing.

But the tactic works on idiots like Fishdouche. He remembers the hype (simple mind and all...) and doesn't bother to listen to the quiet retraction.

#40 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-13 10:53 AM | Reply

"Why? The DRLeft just needs an anon source to hang someone and call them Nazi!"

Pretend all you want but Trump and AG Coverup know that the only thing protecting Trump right now is a Justice Dept. memo claiming that a sitting President can't be charged with a crime. Testimony in court could easily reveal facts that would compel impeachment or charges after he doesn't win in 2020.

Republicans seem to be living in a state of denial because of AG Coverup but things could still go south rapidly for this President. If nothing else facts could be revealed which would hurt him seriously in the election. So, I'm not holding my breath til they drag McCabe into court. As Trump always says, "we'll see what happens."

#41 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-13 11:08 AM | Reply

They repeatedly had "bombshells" turn out to be complete duds that were breathlessly hyped by the likes of Hannity et al then quietly and just barely reported on when they turned out to be nothing.

Michael Horowitz, the Justice Department's inspector general, referred his investigation to the U.S. attorney's office for the District of Columbia and released his report on McCabe in April 2018. Prosecutors began using a grand jury, a sign of the inquiry's seriousness. Internally, though, there was significant discussion about how best to proceed. Two assistant U.S. attorneys at some point left the case " and one left the U.S. attorney's office entirely. That person had concerns about how it was being handled, according to people familiar with the matter.

[The] federal grand jury investigating McCabe was suddenly recalled this week after a months-long hiatus. But the panel was released Thursday with no immediate signs of an indictment. To bring an indictment, prosecutors would have to persuade 12 of the 23 grand jurors to sign onto the decision. If grand jurors turn them down, it is possible for prosecutors to call in a new group, though they would then have to restart the process.

They don't bother to read the details which would better inform them more than right wing mouthpieces. It's been more than 16 months since McCabe's IG report was released and still no indictment as yet. I think anyone familiar with the grand jury process would say that the case being presented has problems since the underlying facts are not complicated nor dense but math tells us that the prosecution has not been able to get 12 out of 23 to agree with their assertions and present a charge.

Maybe they'd have better luck indicting a ham sandwich than they're having with McCabe.

#42 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-13 11:11 AM | Reply

They repeatedly had "bombshells" turn out to be complete duds that were breathlessly hyped by the likes of Hannity et al then quietly and just barely reported on when they turned out to be nothing.
But the tactic works on idiots like Fishdouche. He remembers the hype (simple mind and all...) and doesn't bother to listen to the quiet retraction.

#40 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-09-13 10:53 AM | FLAG:

Um, Mueller report, Mueller report, Mueller report, Russia, Russia, Russia. For three years! Funny how it has totally gone away after Mueller's testimony. How about you give us onlong with CNN and MSNBC some retraction.

#43 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-09-13 11:24 AM | Reply

onlong=along

#44 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-09-13 11:27 AM | Reply

because the report still says what it says.

Insufficient evidence for conspiracy and extensive communication and contacts between the campaign/inauguration committee and the Russians.

Stop relying on others to feed you reality.

#45 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-13 11:47 AM | Reply

Now the real traitors are going to get destroyed, starting with Benedict McCabe. Strzok and Page are next.

As an aside, it is hilarious listening to fauxllusionists who've sustained themselves with a steady diet of red herring for the last three years are now interested in deeper analysis than "Cohen is going to testify! Treason incoming!" and "according to three sources closest to the investigation".

That would have served you all well when you were backing up the truck to start buying this --------.

#46 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2019-09-13 11:47 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Republicans seem to be living in a state of denial because of AG Coverup but things could still go south rapidly for this President#41 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2019-09-13 11:08 AM | REPLY | FLAG

What is the AG covering up? That's a new one.

#47 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-09-13 11:48 AM | Reply

contacts between the campaign/inauguration committee and the Russians.

So what .... I mean seriously so what, once elected him contacting other governments is perfectly normal and reasonable procedure.

Is that all you have? Is that what you are whining about endlessly for three years?

Thats it?

We didn't even investigate this ... but there it is ...

Ukrainian plot to help Clinton emerges
thehill.com

Go home ...

#48 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-13 12:00 PM | Reply

Jeff Tiedrich @itsJeffTiedrich

please tell me again how Andrew McCabe and a bunch of lifelong Republicans in the FBI colluded with Russia and Hillary to lose her own election so that Trump would win so that then the deep state could take him down because fcck yes that all makes perfect sense to me derpity derp

#49 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-13 12:02 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Insufficient evidence for conspiracy and extensive communication and contacts between the campaign/inauguration committee and the Russians.
Stop relying on others to feed you reality.

#45 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-09-13 11:47 AM | FLAG:

There is not and should not be anything wrong or unlawful with incoming administrations having meetings or discussions with foreign contries. It has been done with every president in history. And don't come up with the stupid line that it should not have happened with Russia because they are our enemy because they are not, we are not at war with them. Mccabe was a dirty cop, Comey was a dirty cop. They deserve to be held accountable to the same laws they took an oath and get paid to protect. The Mueller investigation took 2 and a half years and found that Trump did not win because he worked with Russia to get elected, that was what the intent of the investigation was. If they found he did Pence would be President right now. You are the one who needs to be fed reality.

#50 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-09-13 12:06 PM | Reply

Now the real traitors are going to get destroyed, starting with Benedict McCabe. Strzok and Page are next.

Yeah. Sure.

But you're always an idiot posting idiotic stuff, so I'm not surprised.

#51 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-13 12:15 PM | Reply

So what .... I mean seriously so what, once elected him contacting other governments is perfectly normal and reasonable procedure.

Did you think I wouldn't notice?

It was happening before he was elected and the GOP platform was changed to reflect a more Russia friendly stance during the campaign.

Is that all you have? Is that what you are whining about endlessly for three years?

Thats it?

You're enough of a retarded hack to disregard what was in the Mueller report no matter what, so of course you'll downplay this.

Go home ...

#48 | Posted by AndreaMackris

GFY you pathetic hack POS.

#52 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-13 12:17 PM | Reply

"Comey was a dirty cop. They deserve to be held accountable to the same laws they took an oath and get paid to protect."

They upheld their oaths to defend the Constitution from all Enemies, Foreign and Domestic.

Trump is an enemy of the Constitution. Maybe it will take take a cop playing dirty (think Dirty Harry) to take down dirty Donnie and his gang of thieves.

#53 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-09-13 12:20 PM | Reply

Ukrainian plot to help Clinton emerges

Old story that must have died on the vine in March when it was first reported as there's nothing new that I can find stemming from that investigation.

Even then, unless Chelsea Clinton met with Ukrainians promising to divulge this information at a then secret meeting in Clinton Tower it's irrelevant, weak a-- whataboutism.

Which is all you've ever had.

#54 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-13 12:23 PM | Reply

It was happening before he was elected and the GOP platform was changed to reflect a more Russia friendly stance during the campaign.#52 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-09-13 12:17 PM | FLAG:

Yes, running on having better relations with other countries is a bad thing with the left. Oh wait, didn't Obama get a nobel peace prize just for getting elected because he was going to get peace throughout the world?
JPW, you are like a toddler who is getting crabby because he needs a nap. You can't win the debate with facts so as usual you name call. Because that is all you can do..as usual.

#55 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-09-13 12:24 PM | Reply

"#48 | Posted by AndreaMackris

GFY you pathetic hack POS.
#52 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-09-13 12:17 PM |"

Mackris responded to you in a civil manner. Why is it so difficult for you to do the same? And you, the poster who demanded quality posting of others

Do as you say, not as you do -- right?

#56 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-13 12:27 PM | Reply

Yes, running on having better relations with other countries is a bad thing with the left.

LOL yeah, coincidentally the very country with heavy investment in the candidate, heavy business interest by the candidate and a country that is a historic adversary that the right pissed their pants over at it's mere mention.

I'd ask if you're playing at being this stupid but I know from your posting history that you really are just that stupid.

JPW, you are like a toddler who is getting crabby because he needs a nap. You can't win the debate with facts so as usual you name call. Because that is all you can do..as usual.

You can't present alternative facts and then make opinions based on that then claim you won with facts.

Also, read the two lines above again and smack yourself hard in the face you self-unaware dipschitt.

#57 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-13 12:29 PM | Reply

Now the real traitors are going to get destroyed, starting with Benedict McCabe. Strzok and Page are next...

#46 | POSTED BY BEN_BERKKAKE

My guess is Page skates. She was interviewed last year and while it was low key word was she was very cooperative and helpful.

Strzok doesn't even have any criminal referrals against him. I'll wait until Durham completes his investigation before signing on to such a claim.

#58 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-09-13 12:41 PM | Reply

very country with heavy investment in the candidate, heavy business interest by the candidate #57 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-09-13 12:29 PM | FLAG:

You want to prove this one? Are you going with the MSNBC story that was debunked (which I'm assuming you won't accept) that Russians co-signed his loans? Or are you one of the total morons who still thinks that Trump had Putin get him elected in exchange for letting him run this country and Putin would let him build a hotel in Moscow? Go away and hide before you make even a bigger fool out of yourself.

#59 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-09-13 12:49 PM | Reply

You want to prove this one? Are you going with the MSNBC story that was debunked (which I'm assuming you won't accept) that Russians co-signed his loans?

You see, your problem is you assume your cognitive bias is normal and that everyone must be equally as blinded.

www.businessinsider.com

I guess you know better than Don Jr?

foreignpolicy.com

You have to be abysmally stupid or purposefully blind to not know this stuff.

www.forbes.com

Let me guess, Forbes is a left wing rag?

#60 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-13 01:04 PM | Reply

#60 "In terms of high-end product influx into the US, Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets," Donald Trump Jr. said at a New York real-estate conference that year. "Say, in Dubai, and certainly with our project in SoHo, and anywhere in New York. We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia." From the first article by Trump hater Friedman. He is talking at a real estate conference and talking about russians who want to invest in this country. News flash, it's still happening now along with Germans, Saudis, Italians, etc.

and according to several sources with knowledge of Trump's business, foreign money played a large role in reviving his fortunes, in particular investment by wealthy people from Russia and the former Soviet republics. This conclusion is buttressed by a growing body of evidence amassed by news organizations, as well as what is reportedly being investigated by Special Counsel Robert Mueller and the Southern District of New From #2. Thats strike two

Another big, previously unsettled question: How much money could Trump have made in all of this? Both Mueller and former Trump attorney Michael Cohen have suggested, vaguely, "hundreds of millions." After mining business agreements and surveying real estate experts in Moscow, however, Forbes believes that's almost impossible. It seems more likely that Trump would have walked away with roughly $35 million up front and $2.6 million or so in annual fees, if everything went according to plan. In the rosiest of scenarios, Sater says, Trump could have gotten about $50 million. A lot of money to most people but less than 2% of the president's net worth (estimated at $3.1 billion). From #3. So why didn't he do it? Strike 3

So your three articles show nothing. #1 Trump Jr telling people in a conference that rich russians want to be a part of the US real estate market (because they are good investments)
#2 Oh wait. Mueller investigated this and again Nada.

#3 So he was considering branding a hotel in Moscow but didn't.

You got anything else bright boy?

#61 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-09-13 01:22 PM | Reply

You got anything else bright boy?

#61 | Posted by fishpaw

Nothing that you won't shrug off, knob gobbler.

You don't deny he has Russian business contacts, you just justify downplaying them or ignoring them.

#62 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-13 01:27 PM | Reply

From the first article by Trump hater Friedman. He is talking at a real estate conference and talking about russians who want to invest in this country. News flash, it's still happening now along with Germans, Saudis, Italians, etc.

Doesn't matter who the author is, moron. It's a direct quote from Trump Jr.

Also, he admits that Russia is a significant source of Trump money. That they're investing in other companies or real estate markets doesn't change or mitigate that, idiot.

Nor does other countries investing in real estate markets, either. Dipschitt.

Jesus, your posts are a hot mess of garbled logic and non sequiturs.

#63 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-13 01:30 PM | Reply

From #2. Thats strike two

Claiming it's a strike is meaningless without an explanation of how it's meaningless.

I'm betting you'll use a blanket denial of the Mueller report simply because it's the Mueller report, not because there's any holes in the information.

From #3. So why didn't he do it? Strike 3

That he ultimately didn't do a Trump Tower Moscow doesn't change the fact that from 2016-2018 the intent was there and there was active attempts to get the project off the ground.

en.wikipedia.org

#64 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-13 01:35 PM | Reply

You got anything else bright boy?

#61 | Posted by fishpaw
Nothing that you won't shrug off, knob gobbler.
You don't deny he has Russian business contacts, you just justify downplaying them or ignoring them.

#62 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-09-13 01:27 PM | FLAG:

News flash since you can't understand this. Real Estate developers of Trump's size have contacts all over the world, they have money sources all over the world. People all around the world want to finance his projects, Trump will take who ever will give him the best deal. Chase may loan to him at 5% while some Russian might loan to him at 4%. Money is money, you take the best deal. So no I don't deny he has Russian business contacts, so does George Soros, and I don't have anything against that.

#65 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-09-13 03:24 PM | Reply

That he ultimately didn't do a Trump Tower Moscow doesn't change the fact that from 2016-2018 the intent was there and there was active attempts to get the project off the ground.
en.wikipedia.org

#64 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-09-13 01:35 PM | FLAG:

Once again, that is his business you idiot, he builds hotels, resorts, office buildings. If there was money to be made in building a hotel in Moscow he would have done it but he decided not to. There are at least 3 Marriot Hotels in Moscow. Marriot is an American company you fool, should we arrest the Marriot family?

#66 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-09-13 03:31 PM | Reply

JPW, you are like a toddler who is getting crabby because he needs a nap. You can't win the debate with facts so as usual you name call. Because that is all you can do..as usual.

#55 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

LOL

More rationalizing because the facts don't fit your narrative.

Keep denying idiot, Trump counts on support from sycophantic cultists like you.

#67 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-13 03:38 PM | Reply

Chase may loan to him at 5% while some Russian might loan to him at 4%. Money is money, you take the best deal. So no I don't deny he has Russian business contacts, so does George Soros, and I don't have anything against that.

#65 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

Except the only people willing to do business with Trump is the Russians.

As the links I provided have stated.

For somebody as dense as you are I'd think you'd avoid calling people stupid.

#68 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-13 03:41 PM | Reply

McCabe's "crime" was that he "lied" to investigators 4 times regarding his contacts with the media. Full stop.

That's the entirety of the rationale behind his firing and why a grand jury has apparently not returned any indictment for McCabe's actions when the sitting President is an unindicted co-conspirator to multiple felonies and has been documented lying over 12,000 times since taking office. True, none of the lies have been under oath or penalty, but that's only because he's refused to meet with federal investigators in person where such jeopardy would be attached.

The legal team for Andrew McCabe has asked federal prosecutors in the District whether a grand jury had rejected their bid to indict the FBI's former acting director on charges of lying to investigators, pointing to media inquiries and news accounts detailing a series of unusual events in the case.

McCabe lawyer Michael Bromwich stated that " based on a Thursday discussion with federal prosecutors " it "is clear that no indictment has been returned."

To bring charges against McCabe, prosecutors would have to convince 12 of 23 grand jurors that there was probable cause he had committed a crime " a low legal bar. This week, it seemed prosecutors were on track to do so. The panel that had been investigating McCabe was resummoned after a months-long hiatus, and McCabe was told Thursday that his final bid to persuade the deputy attorney general that charges should not be brought had failed.

"If the evidence presented by your office was insufficient to convince 12 members of the grand jury to find probable cause to believe that Mr. McCabe had committed any crimes, no attorney can reasonably believe that the admissible evidence is sufficient to obtain a guilty verdict by an unbiased trier of fact,'" Bromwich wrote. "If the grand jury voted not to approve charges, it did not find probable cause. Therefore, it is simply not reasonable to believe that a trial jury would find Mr. McCabe guilty of any charges employing a far more rigorous and exacting standard " beyond a reasonable doubt."

#69 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-13 04:21 PM | Reply

Natasha Bertrand @NatashaBertrand

Just in: Andrew McCabe's legal team says in a new letter to Jesse Liu that based on their conversations with the US Attorney's office in DC yesterday, "it is clear that no indictment has been returned" against McCabe by the grand jury.

Rick Wilson @TheRickWilson

Rick Wilson Retweeted Natasha Bertrand
I doubt this is over.

Barr has orders, and he'll run McCabe to ground if it breaks every law, precedent, and DOJ procedure.

They need a scalp for the Trump/Fox/QAnon crowd.

#70 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-13 10:42 PM | Reply

McCabe's "crime" was that he "lied" to investigators 4 times regarding his contacts with the media. Full stop.

Now do Gen. Flynn!

based on their conversations with the US Attorney's office in DC yesterday, "it is clear that no indictment has been returned" against McCabe by the grand jury.

You must have missed this part from the article:

"The notification was notable in its own right but particularly suggestive that charges were imminent, because a federal grand jury investigating McCabe was suddenly recalled this week after a months-long hiatus."

#71 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-13 11:26 PM | Reply

You must have missed this part from the article:

I didn't miss jack schitt you pissant troll. Why did you leave out the very next sentence?

But the panel was released Thursday with no immediate signs of an indictment.
Since I posted the complete paragraph in #42, how did I miss it?

Now do Gen. Flynn!

General Flynn was caught lying about illicit contact with a foreign government now indicted for criminally interfering in our election to assist the man who appointed him. And the content of his conversation was to give Russia solace that the incoming government would change the sanctions policies announced by the then government as punishment for said actions, of which the conversation itself was tacitly another violation of the law (Logan Act). But you know this, so why blatantly try to obscure the facts?

McCabe was allowed to contact media sources, indeed that was HIS JOB. And he didn't divulge anything that the media wasn't allowed to know. If and why he "lied" as a matter of a chargeable crime stands at the heart of the grand jury's refusal (at this point) to return an indictment after 16 months.

#72 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-14 07:21 AM | Reply

True, none of the lies have been under oath or penalty, but that's only because [Trump]'s refused to meet with federal investigators in person where such jeopardy would be attached. - #69 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-13 04:21 PM

That is false. Trump is not under indictment for lying under oath because he has not lied under oath. Whether he would have lied if he were ever placed under oath is open to conjecture, and any fool can supply their opinion. The real humor is that your statement above would be as much a lie as the ones that people claim Trump has made.

#73 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-09-14 01:05 PM | Reply

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