Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Thursday, September 12, 2019

With a little less than five months to go before the Iowa caucuses, there are only so many forces that could really shake up the Democratic primary. But if anything can change the state of the race, the debates, including tonight's, are among the most likely events to be behind the shift. In an effort to see if tonight's performances change voters' minds, FiveThirtyEight is partnering with Ipsos to track how likely primary voters feel about the candidates before and after the debate.

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and there off!

#1 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-09-12 08:08 PM | Reply

After the HJC voted to move forward with an impeachment inquiry today, this should be interesting. Or not.

#2 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-09-12 08:10 PM | Reply

lol. Yang buying votes. Don't think 10 votes are going to do it for him, though.

#3 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-12 08:11 PM | Reply

Wokamala:

Fox News!

*drink*

#4 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-12 08:14 PM | Reply

Bernie sounds and looks wild lol!

#5 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-09-12 08:14 PM | Reply

Bernie rightfully ripping the douchebag media -- talks about the usual topics, good job Bernie.

#6 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-12 08:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Sanders sounds like he is going to croak right on stage.

#7 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-12 08:15 PM | Reply

Bernie sounds and looks wild lol!

#5 | POSTED BY PHESTEROBOYLE

Just you just decide to be d-bag Jack Tapper?

#8 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-12 08:15 PM | Reply

Sanders sounds like he is going to croak right on stage.

#7 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Are you Pavarotti?

#9 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-12 08:17 PM | Reply

Leave to the DNC to schedule a debate opposite an NFL game instead of last night when they'd get more eyeballs.

#10 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-12 08:17 PM | Reply

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and there off!
#1 | POSTED BY PUNCHYPOSSUM

So's your grammar.

#11 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2019-09-12 08:18 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

Dulli sounds like he's channeling Sarah Palin.... again.

#12 | Posted by Corky at 2019-09-12 08:19 PM | Reply

Eat the rich!

-Bernie

#13 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-09-12 08:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#12 | POSTED BY CORKY

The obsession continues...

#14 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-12 08:20 PM | Reply

Warren is the middle ground between Bernie and Joe.

Of course, the middle ground is anathema to all extremes.

#15 | Posted by Corky at 2019-09-12 08:21 PM | Reply

The obsession continues...

#14 | Posted by nullifidian

You're the one who decided to spend his evening trolling this thread.

The obsession continues...

#16 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-12 08:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Correction: Leave to the DNC to schedule a debate opposite an NFL game WHEN 2 SWING STATE TEAMS ARE PLAYING instead of last night when they'd get more eyeballs.

#17 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-12 08:22 PM | Reply

Stephanopoulos is such a putz.

#18 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-12 08:22 PM | Reply

Warren is in the middle until she starts talking about ending fracking and no new oil explorations on her first day in office. That's just nuts.

#19 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-09-12 08:23 PM | Reply

Joe Mama comes across like a used car salesman, or Jon Lovitz.

#20 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-12 08:24 PM | Reply

--You're the one who decided to spend his evening trolling this thread.

No. I haven't mentioned a single poster. I'm focusing on the candidates, not bloggers.

#21 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-12 08:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Speak,

"Leave to the DNC to schedule a debate opposite an NFL game instead of last night when they'd get more eyeballs."

Isn't NFL mostly watched by right wing conservatives?

#22 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-09-12 08:25 PM | Reply

The Biden Warren show. You are pissing people off!

Trump will be reelected.

#23 | Posted by fresno500 at 2019-09-12 08:26 PM | Reply

NFL regulars aren't going to watch this debate.

#24 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-09-12 08:26 PM | Reply

14

It's like Tom Cotton and Margaret Thatcher had an ugly baby.

#25 | Posted by Corky at 2019-09-12 08:26 PM | Reply

Klobuchar is talking ... I just saw a stapler whiz by ~

#26 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-12 08:27 PM | Reply

Speak,

Now scheduling a debate opposite Project Runway might be a mistake.

#27 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-09-12 08:27 PM | Reply

Antiques Roadshow ratings will plummet.

#28 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-09-12 08:27 PM | Reply

Buttiboob is a lightweight.

#29 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-12 08:29 PM | Reply

Comprehensive healthcare, go Bernie!

#30 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-12 08:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What a snoozer. I interrupted an X-Files marathon for this? "Spooky" Mulder has more credibility than these tiresome dweebs.

#31 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-12 08:30 PM | Reply

#25

Corky! Thou shalt not mention the name that shall not be mentioned.

You might end up getting punched more than an ATM.

#32 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-09-12 08:30 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Harris is right, they all want better health care for Americans. All Dulli's Hero wants is mo' money for himself and his fiends, er, friends.

#33 | Posted by Corky at 2019-09-12 08:32 PM | Reply

What a snoozer.

#31 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

It is a snoozer, and that's good.

#34 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-12 08:33 PM | Reply

Wokamala must be running for VP. She repeats "Donald Trump" like a bot.

#35 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-12 08:33 PM | Reply

Joe Mama knows cancer.

#36 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-12 08:34 PM | Reply

--All Dulli's Hero

Still talking about me.

#37 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-12 08:34 PM | Reply

Speak,

"Leave to the DNC to schedule a debate opposite an NFL game instead of last night when they'd get more eyeballs."

Isn't NFL mostly watched by right wing conservatives?

#22 | Posted by BillJohnson

Exactly. The people who need to hear about the reality of trump's presidency instead of being sheltered by the fox news bubble of delusion for once.

#38 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-12 08:35 PM | Reply

Castro throwing a haymaker at Joe Mama, wow ~

#39 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-12 08:37 PM | Reply

#37

Poor baby. Run find Mattress. She'll fight for you.

Or maybe just stop being such a Trump Troll. I mean, your effort to get attention on a progressive blog by taunting progressives is as old and stale as your diapers.

#40 | Posted by Corky at 2019-09-12 08:37 PM | Reply

I like this Yang guy!

#41 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-12 08:37 PM | Reply

Well, this shows clearly that it is way past time for the Dems to stop pretending about diversity - time to cut it down to the 3 old white people.

#42 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-12 08:38 PM | Reply

"I'm Asian, so I know a lot of doctors".... lol!

Yang's a good guy, though.

#43 | Posted by Corky at 2019-09-12 08:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--Castro throwing a haymaker at Joe Mama, wow ~

Basically accused him of suffering from dementia.

#44 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-12 08:41 PM | Reply

#44 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

He is not going to win - that is obvious - so, which actual candidate is he trying to suck up to for a cabinet job?

#45 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-12 08:42 PM | Reply

#44 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

He is not going to win - that is obvious - so, which actual candidate is he trying to suck up to for a cabinet job?

#46 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-12 08:42 PM | Reply

Well, this shows clearly that it is way past time for the Dems to stop pretending about diversity - time to cut it down to the 3 old white people.

#42 | POSTED BY IRAGOLDBERG

You know what's old? FDR's wheel-chair.

And if I had to, I'd happily vote for FDR's old ass wheel-chair. Why?

Because FDR's wheel-chair is right on the issues.

*drops mic*

#47 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-12 08:42 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I love this - yes - play up reparations and keep yelling racist. That will score a lot of votes!

#48 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-12 08:43 PM | Reply

Beto was pretty good...

Until he went off the rails

#49 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-12 08:43 PM | Reply

Speak,

You think they haven't already heard it all by now one time or another?

If Democrats in their infinite wisdom haven't persuaded them by now, its not going to happen.

This debate is mostly for the lefties to beat up on each other.

#50 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-09-12 08:43 PM | Reply

Good grief. Ultra-white Beto playing the race card. Not going to save his campaign.

#51 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-12 08:43 PM | Reply

Generally speaking:

10 minutes for opening statements

30 minutes on healthcare

now moving on to racism

#52 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-12 08:43 PM | Reply

Beto's ready to rumble... with Trump.

#53 | Posted by Corky at 2019-09-12 08:43 PM | Reply

Booker - a white house position to deal with white racists? Thanks for making the Turner Diaries a reality. What a goof.

#54 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-12 08:46 PM | Reply

Booty-Judge is wasting his time. Just like I said, black males aren't going to vote for a white gay guy. Not going to happen. And his polling with blacks? - holding steady at 0%.

#55 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-12 08:47 PM | Reply

Racism!!! It's the only thing the Demagogue Party has.

#56 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-12 08:47 PM | Reply

Now quote Barbara Jordan about how illegal immigration was hurting her community.

#57 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-12 08:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Racism!!! It's the only thing the Demagogue Party has.

#56 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Now wait, racism is super important and it needs to be dealt with ...

But there can't be racial justice without economic justice -- I think Ralph Nader said that ~

#58 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-12 08:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Generally speaking:
10 minutes for opening statements
30 minutes on healthcare
15 minutes on racism, including criminal justice reform
now moving on gun control

#59 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-12 08:56 PM | Reply

Good grief. Ultra-white Beto playing the race card. Not going to save his campaign.
#51 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

I thought it was going pretty good ... then he went kinda off script maybe.

#60 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-12 08:56 PM | Reply

- the Demagogue Party

They look like saints compared to the white nationalist authoritarian elitist Pres you carry water for here every day.

#61 | Posted by Corky at 2019-09-12 08:56 PM | Reply

But there can't be racial justice without economic justice -- I think Ralph Nader said that ~
#58 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF

And yet its not talked about at all ...

#62 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-12 08:56 PM | Reply

Mothers against Blacks!

#63 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-12 08:57 PM | Reply

Speak,

You think they haven't already heard it all by now one time or another?

If Democrats in their infinite wisdom haven't persuaded them by now, its not going to happen.

#50 | Posted by BillJohnson

No. Repub media keeps repubs efficiently sheltered from reality. Most trump supporters actually think the mueller report found nothing. They literally exist in a delusional state. Debates are a chance to crack that bubble.

#64 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-12 08:58 PM | Reply

Racism!!! It's the only thing the Demagogue Party has.

#56 | Posted by nullifidian

TROLLING! It's the only thing nulli has now that everyone in his life has decided he's not worth it.

#65 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-12 08:59 PM | Reply

Wokamala puts on her cuddly suit. lol. What a phony.

#66 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-12 09:01 PM | Reply

"But there can't be racial justice without economic justice -- I think Ralph Nader said that"

And yet its not talked about at all ...

#62 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

Actually, it was probably MLK who said that -- Nader said something like that, we should have a thread about Ralph Nader saying something like that!

#67 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-12 09:02 PM | Reply

Repub media keeps repubs efficiently sheltered from reality.

which media is that? Fox has been proven fair and balanced.

Most trump supporters actually think the mueller report found nothing.

I don't, I think it found out what a colossal boondoggle the whole thing was.

Debates are a chance to crack that bubble.

Yeah screaming racismracistwhite supremacy at every chance really pops a bubble ...

The wealthy zipcodes in CA.FL.NY.VA. are the only "bubbles" that need popping.

#68 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-12 09:02 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

- Fox has been proven fair and balanced.

Mattress one spring short of a set.

#69 | Posted by Corky at 2019-09-12 09:04 PM | Reply

Spartacus is ready for battle!

#70 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-12 09:07 PM | Reply

#70 I think his left contact lense got dry eye.

#71 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2019-09-12 09:08 PM | Reply

Sanders is going to save the planet. Does he drive a Tesla or something?

#72 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-12 09:11 PM | Reply

Latinos in Texas LUV Bernie ...

Univision News Poll: Bernie beats Trump in Texas
drudge.com

Go Bernie!

#73 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-12 09:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#68 maybe the news portion which is what 10% of the air time? The commentary which is the other 90% not so much.

Honestly though the only people I know who keep fox on all day are over 60 and not likely to vote democratic anyway.

#74 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2019-09-12 09:12 PM | Reply

Sanders is going to save the planet. Does he drive a Tesla or something?

#72 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Bernie drives a DeLorean.

#75 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-12 09:14 PM | Reply

I would think by now the left here would have learned a lesson and would have ceased glorifying polls. HRC by a landslide and all......

#76 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2019-09-12 09:17 PM | Reply

Honestly though the only people I know who keep fox on all day are over 60 and not likely to vote democratic anyway.

POSTED BY TAOWARRIOR AT 2019-09-12 09:12 PM | REPLY

My dad but he doesn't vote.

#77 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-09-12 09:17 PM | Reply

Yang just hit a homer -- nice answer on immigration!

#78 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-12 09:18 PM | Reply

Ana Navarro-Crdenas @ananavarro

Regardless of who you support, there's three women, two African-Americans, one Asian, one Latino, an openly gay veteran, a child of Indian and Jamaican immigrants, a Jewish guy, a vegan, and even a couple of straight, white guys on that stage.
Like it or not, this is America.

#79 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-12 09:21 PM | Reply

#79 I agree which is why the argument anyone is being 'held back' by race, religion or gender is nothing but an excuse for their own failures.

#80 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2019-09-12 09:23 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

- Like it or not, this is America

Red State 'Mericans and old attention trolls don't like it.

#81 | Posted by Corky at 2019-09-12 09:24 PM | Reply

--Like it or not, this is America.

Sounds like equality of opportunity.

#82 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-12 09:26 PM | Reply

It seem like Castro was going for a cheap shot against Biden, turns out he was:

Mike Memoli @mikememoli (nbcnews correspondent)

Tale of the transcript:

Biden, 8:22 pm: "Anyone who can't afford it gets automatically enrolled in the Medicare-type option we have."

Castro, 8:35: "You just two minutes ago they would have to buy in. Are you forgetting what you said two minutes ago?"

#83 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-12 09:27 PM | Reply

- nothing but an excuse for their own failures.

It was less than 60 years ago that there were separate public drinking fountains for whites and blacks... which included all non-whites.

All those sentiments have not disappeared, and have affected generations of non-whites.

#84 | Posted by Corky at 2019-09-12 09:28 PM | Reply

Katie Couric @katiecouric

"We have a white supremacist in the White House and he poses a mortal threat to humanity." - Beto O'Rourke #DemDebate

#85 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-12 09:28 PM | Reply

#82

Sounds like BS.

#86 | Posted by Corky at 2019-09-12 09:29 PM | Reply

Sounds like equality of opportunity.

#82 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Can't have equality of opportunity in America without first fixing America's obscene wealth inequality.

#87 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-12 09:30 PM | Reply

#84 Corky that was not the point of Gals post. What we are watching tonight is TODAY'S America. Not America 60 years ago. To look at the candidates and argue otherwise is ridiculous.

#88 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2019-09-12 09:32 PM | Reply

#87 Point out which one on stage is poor because they redistribute their wealth.

#89 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2019-09-12 09:33 PM | Reply

Klobo: Surrender to China now!

#90 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-12 09:34 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Beto can KMA. You're not taking anything of mine.

#91 | Posted by willowby at 2019-09-12 09:34 PM | Reply

Actually, they all can KMA

#92 | Posted by willowby at 2019-09-12 09:35 PM | Reply

--he poses a mortal threat to humanity."

The cheaper the hyper-partisan, the gaudier the patter.

#93 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-12 09:35 PM | Reply

#87 Point out which one on stage is poor because they redistribute their wealth.

#89 | POSTED BY GRACIEAMAZED

Snorting your poly-grip again?

What are you babbling about?

#94 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-12 09:36 PM | Reply

Joan Walsh @joanwalsh

Joan Walsh Retweeted Joe Biden
Biden's best line, I gotta admit...

Joe Biden @JoeBiden

For a socialist, Senator Sanders has a lot of confidence in corporate America. #DemDebate

#95 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-12 09:36 PM | Reply

Ana Navarro-Crdenas @ananavarro

.@KamalaHarris speaking truth re El Paso shooting: "Certainly, Trump didn't pull the trigger. But he tweeted out the ammunition."

Preach girl. Preach!

#96 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-12 09:37 PM | Reply

Corky that was not the point of Gals post. What we are watching tonight is TODAY'S America. Not America 60 years ago. To look at the candidates and argue otherwise is ridiculous.

#88 | POSTED BY GRACIEAMAZED

You wanna fight tonight?

Are you drunk?

#97 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-12 09:38 PM | Reply

#94 Bedpan Bob are the urine fumes hindering your memory? "America's obscene wealth inequality". Now I am done. I broke my own commitment to not respond to your idiocy.

#98 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2019-09-12 09:38 PM | Reply

Sorry, there's never going to be a "Harris administration." No one likes you.

#99 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-12 09:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Bernie talking trade -- awesome, give'm hell, Bernie ~

#100 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-12 09:39 PM | Reply

Jimmy Johnson should sell his hair care product information to Sanders.

#101 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2019-09-12 09:41 PM | Reply

Repub media keeps repubs efficiently sheltered from reality.

which media is that? Fox has been proven fair and balanced.

#68 | Posted by AndreaMackris

You just proved my point.

Fox news viewers were proven to know less about current events than people who watch no news at all.

Fox news was created to misinform. That's why ailes didn't even hire investigative journalists when he started the network. You dont need truth seekers when your goal is to misinform.

Now tell us - what do you think the mueller investigation actually found?

#102 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-12 09:41 PM | Reply

Say goodnight Warren. This last question killed you. Biden is the winner tonight.

#103 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2019-09-12 09:45 PM | Reply

Bedpan Bob are the urine fumes hindering your memory? "America's obscene wealth inequality". Now I am done. I broke my own commitment to not respond to your idiocy.

#98 | POSTED BY GRACIEAMAZED

You think the 'Gilded Age' is the name of some sort of deviant sex toy.

Hey, wanna talk about all those racist Tea Party videos on you-tube?

You denied they ever existed, remember? They're still there, by the way.

Just saying something is meaningless -- you gotta know a little something, Racey.

#104 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-12 09:45 PM | Reply

Not going to register a damn thing. Seen this coming for years. Made a good investment in reloading equipment and supplies.

#105 | Posted by willowby at 2019-09-12 09:45 PM | Reply

IMO, Warren doing well on this foreign policy question.

#106 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-12 09:45 PM | Reply

The only thing clear so far is their raging TDS.
Hot air prevails.

#107 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-09-12 09:47 PM | Reply

Mayor Pete's answer on endless war is good too.

#108 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-12 09:48 PM | Reply

Not going to register a damn thing. Seen this coming for years. Made a good investment in reloading equipment and supplies.

#105 | Posted by willowby

Nope. Just got conned out of more of your money by the NRA's propaganda. Works great on fearful chumps.

#109 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-12 09:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Beto...

"Looks like Bobby, drives like Ted, speaks Spanish like me ordering fajitas."

#110 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-12 09:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Bobby Unser?

#111 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-12 09:50 PM | Reply

OMG. This is 3 hours long, not 2 hours. I'm going to have to hit my vape to get through this.

#112 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-12 09:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Bernie voted against the Iraq War, and voted against all 3 of Trump's bloated ass military budgets.

Use that damn money to fix America!

#113 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-12 09:53 PM | Reply

The Yang Gang is out there, lurking ...

#114 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-12 09:54 PM | Reply

Pinch, you really think Sanders would beat Trump in Texas?

If you really think that....there is no argument amount the electoral college. Sanders would wipe out Trump in the electoral college if he wins Texas.

You really believe it?

#115 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-12 09:55 PM | Reply

Bernie hitting home run after home run ... thanks for the softball question, Jorge!

#116 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-12 09:56 PM | Reply

That was quite the crazygram from Bernie

#117 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-12 09:58 PM | Reply

Booker: Amazon had fires? I want my Prime membership back!

#118 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2019-09-12 09:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Castro calling Maduro a dictator. Well, a Castro would know.

#119 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-12 09:59 PM | Reply

Castro, on the other hand, is loving coming after Bernie, especially with his intro "Well, I have no problem calling Maduro a Dictator...", which Bernie avoided like the plague.

#120 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-12 09:59 PM | Reply

Pinch, you really think Sanders would beat Trump in Texas?

If you really think that....there is no argument amount the electoral college. Sanders would wipe out Trump in the electoral college if he wins Texas.

You really believe it?

#115 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Bernie as the Democratic Nominee puts Texas in play.

#121 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-12 09:59 PM | Reply

The Yang Gang is out there, lurking ...

POSTED BY PINCHALOAF AT 2019-09-12 09:54 PM | REPLY

They are out Wang Chunging tonight.

#122 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-09-12 10:00 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Harris couldn't help but laugh at her own joke:

Yamiche Alcindor @Yamiche

Senator Kamala Harris says President Trump's trade policy is motivated by his "fragile ego."

She said Trump reminds her of the Wizard of Oz.

"When you pull back the curtain it's a really small dude."

(I'll be watching for those Trump tweets on Harris later...)

#123 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-12 10:01 PM | Reply

Softball to Bobby, let's see how he handles it...

#124 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-12 10:01 PM | Reply

Castro, on the other hand, is loving coming after Bernie, especially with his intro "Well, I have no problem calling Maduro a Dictator...", which Bernie avoided like the plague.

#120 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Castro is punching up and failing ... earlier Castro was mugging Joe Biden as if Joe Mama was full of free money and thanksgiving turkeys.

#125 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-12 10:02 PM | Reply

movie reference......nice move. :-)

#126 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-12 10:02 PM | Reply

Klobo-Climate? We have so much climate in Minnesota it's like the Day After Tomorrow

#127 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-12 10:03 PM | Reply

Any one of these people on stage will kick Trump's a**. Any one of them.

#128 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-09-12 10:03 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

And on the seventh day, I still won't rest!

-KloboDeity

#129 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-12 10:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

128

you mean in an alley with a tire wrench?

popular vote?

electoral college?

#130 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-12 10:04 PM | Reply

Here is where all the goofy climate hysteria begins. If it's a crisis "right now," why isn't the House majority passing legislation on it "right now?"

#131 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-12 10:04 PM | Reply

ABC just wants to get better Climate TV bragging rights over CNN

#132 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-12 10:05 PM | Reply

That was quite the crazygram from Bernie

#117 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Hahaha -- that's was vintage Bernie.

Don't worry, when Bernie and I take over I'll save you a real good job in the new administration -- how does Mars Space Rocket test pilot sound?

#133 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-12 10:05 PM | Reply

"existential threat"

*drink*

#134 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-12 10:05 PM | Reply

I think Kammie has watched the Ice Age movies too many times.

#135 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-12 10:06 PM | Reply

#133

Neither are happening, get a new joke other than your Bernie worship.

#136 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-12 10:06 PM | Reply

Here is where all the goofy climate hysteria begins. If it's a crisis "right now," why isn't the House majority passing legislation on it "right now?"

#131 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

You're right.

#137 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-12 10:06 PM | Reply

--ABC just wants to get better Climate TV bragging rights over CNN

No chance. MSNBC has a two-day(!) climathon coming up.

#138 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-12 10:07 PM | Reply

Neither are happening, get a new joke other than your Bernie worship.

#136 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Okay, we'll send you on a mission to the Sun to take it's temperature -- Bon Voyage ~

#139 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-12 10:09 PM | Reply

pay teachers more. that polls well...but the fed govt wont' make that happen.

better parenting? yes...that polls well too.

This is one of the biggest lies told during these campaigns.

They simply can't be honest and just say states have to fix their own POS schools..people running for president have been making the same promises for 50 years...they're lying.

they AREN'T going to pay teachers more.

If we really give a ---- about teachers....we need to solve that problem at the state and local level.

#140 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-12 10:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Climate Change debate summaries

#141 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-12 10:11 PM | Reply

--vintage Bernie.

Kind of redundant.

#142 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-12 10:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

They're all insane.

#143 | Posted by willowby at 2019-09-12 10:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

#139

Cool, let me know when you have everything lined up.

SMFH

#144 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-12 10:12 PM | Reply

Can't believe that a moderator actually mentioned teachers' unions, who own the Democrats.

#145 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-12 10:13 PM | Reply

Kammie is great at ignoring the moderators.

#146 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-12 10:13 PM | Reply

#140 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Eisenhower was great for teachers, per the National Defense Education Act.

Ike got it done -- just like Bernie would.

#147 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-12 10:14 PM | Reply

Pinch is touching himself right now...

#148 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-12 10:14 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

#145 That will secretly vote for Trump because the unions will never give up their excellent healthcare for Medifail for all.

#149 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2019-09-12 10:15 PM | Reply

Vote for me kids, Free Shht!!!

-Bernie

#150 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-12 10:15 PM | Reply

Bernie slammed another couple of homeruns, hit for the cycle, too.

#151 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-12 10:15 PM | Reply

-Ike got it done

so, 60 years or more.

If Bernie uttered, "hope and change"...Pinch will climax.

#152 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-12 10:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

Biden must have stock in Allergan with all the Botox in his forehead.

#153 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-12 10:16 PM | Reply

Go Joe...you tell them you won't be silenced.

#154 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-12 10:17 PM | Reply

Playing now on Bidens 'record player' youtu.be

#155 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2019-09-12 10:17 PM | Reply

Throw more money at the corrupt teachers' unions. Yeah, that will work.

#156 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-12 10:19 PM | Reply

Castro is making sense...no way that the DNC is going allow that to continue.

#157 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-12 10:19 PM | Reply

Booker should Goolge his upbringing.

#158 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2019-09-12 10:19 PM | Reply

dagnabit

#159 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-12 10:20 PM | Reply

^ no shht

#160 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-12 10:20 PM | Reply

Environmental Injustice?

Wow

#161 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-12 10:21 PM | Reply

Booger gonna cure poverty? We'll remember that one if he wins.

#162 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-09-12 10:21 PM | Reply

segregation! Segregation?

how many times have they uttered that?

you think they hope voters don't really know what that means?

My guess calling wealth and education inequality sounds better if you call it "segregation" and it polls well.

#163 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-12 10:23 PM | Reply

Bernie is going to wind up stroking out.

#164 | Posted by willowby at 2019-09-12 10:24 PM | Reply

Here we go!

#165 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2019-09-12 10:26 PM | Reply

--Environmental Injustice?

Latest argument: If you oppose the New Green Scream, you're a...surprise!...racist!

#166 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-12 10:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Mike Memoli @mikememoli

Attack log:

-54 total attacks
-Biden is the most attacked candidates
-Sanders has delivered the most attacks
-Trump has been attacked 26 times; Mitch McConnell 2 times; Wall Street and corporations 8 times; the ultra-rich' 2 times

#167 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-12 10:27 PM | Reply

Dulli must have a busy schedule.

He'll be over at his home blogs at Red State and Stormfront cheering on Trump's "better than Dems policies" for America during his.... oh, wait, he's made sure there will be no real debates.

Guess he's not so busy after all.

#168 | Posted by corky at 2019-09-12 10:27 PM | Reply

Bernie is going to wind up stroking out.

#164 | POSTED BY WILLOWBY

Maybe, maybe not.

But Bernie's ideas are not going anywhere, in fact they're going to gain momentum as wealth inequality becomes more acute in America as a whole.

#169 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-12 10:27 PM | Reply

What was all the yelling about?

#170 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-12 10:28 PM | Reply

"But Bernie's ideas are not going anywhere...

POSTED BY PINCHALOAF AT 2019-09-12 10:27 PM "

Which is exactly why he doesn't have a chance.

#171 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-12 10:29 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 3

They were protesters, protesting the bs pros on stage.

#172 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-09-12 10:29 PM | Reply

#168 | POSTED BY CORKY

Every post is about me. I guess if your candidates are so awful, might as well attack bloggers. It could win the election!

#173 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-12 10:29 PM | Reply

Which is exactly why he doesn't have a chance.

#171 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Wealth inequality is real.

Bernie is the most popular politician in America for a reason.

And the reason is he speaks to the problems of working and middle-class Americans.

#174 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-12 10:31 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"But Bernie's ideas are not going anywhere,"

most would agree with you...but because they think that means something else

#175 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-12 10:31 PM | Reply

The Plutocrats are scared of Bernie, which is why all the douchebag billionaires do everything they can to smear him.

#176 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-12 10:32 PM | Reply

Trouble is...Bernie looks and acts like a bug-eyed wacko.

#177 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-09-12 10:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Great job, Bernie!

#178 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-12 10:33 PM | Reply

-Bernie is the most popular politician in America for a reason.

He tells folks what they want to hear

#179 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-12 10:33 PM | Reply

"Bernie is the most popular politician in America...

#174 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF "

Citation needed. Out of the tens of thousands of politicians in the US, I find it hard to believe a socialist is the most popular.

You were licking his boots last promaries as well. You were wrong then. You are wrong now. You have the corky/hillary syndrome bad, son.

#180 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-12 10:35 PM | Reply

Yawnamala just caused half of the audience to nod off.

#181 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-12 10:36 PM | Reply

The softballs that ABC is tossing are embarrassing.

#182 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-12 10:36 PM | Reply

He tells folks what they want to hear

#179 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Yeah, because wealth inequality is a total figment of the imagination in the minds of working and middle-class Americans.

#183 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-12 10:36 PM | Reply

"What's worth more to you than winning?" Mayor Pete

Anyone of them is worth 10 Donald Trumps.

#184 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-12 10:37 PM | Reply

Warren whines wayyy too much.

#185 | Posted by willowby at 2019-09-12 10:37 PM | Reply

Pete sounds better than any up there.
What would be difficult is whether to call him Mr President or Madam President.

#186 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-09-12 10:37 PM | Reply

-Yeah, because wealth inequality is a total figment of the imagination in the minds of working and middle-class Americans.

Lucy

Charlie Brown

Football

#187 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-12 10:38 PM | Reply

Wealth inequality? LMFAO point out the poor ones on stage.

#188 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2019-09-12 10:38 PM | Reply

Beto...Southern democrat....promote that guy....he could actually put some states in play. He's not a New England Liberal....

#189 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-12 10:44 PM | Reply

Out of the tens of thousands of politicians in the US, I find it hard to believe a socialist is the most popular.

#180 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Right here ...

8/25/17 | BERNIE SANDERS IS THE MOST POPULAR U.S. POLITICIAN
www.newsweek.com

Oct. 10, 2018 | Bernie Sanders is most popular senator, Mitch McConnell is least popular
www.usatoday.com

01/10/19 | Poll: Sanders most popular senator
thehill.com

Why does Bernie have sustained popularity?

Because he speaks to the issues that working and middle-class Americans care about.

#190 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-12 10:44 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Warren whines wayyy too much.

POSTED BY WILLOWBY "

www.adcouncil.org

#191 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-12 10:45 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

-Why does Bernie have sustained popularity?

he tells folks what they want to hear.

#192 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-12 10:45 PM | Reply

"8/25/17 | BERNIE SANDERS IS THE MOST POPULAR U.S. POLITICIAN

Um, that's over two years ago.

Try again.

#193 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-12 10:46 PM | Reply

he tells folks what they want to hear.

#192 | POSTED BY EBERLY

He speaks to the issues that working and middle-class Americans care about.

#194 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-12 10:47 PM | Reply

It's over. America breathes a sigh of relief.

#195 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-12 10:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Bernie can do what he wants...he can rub all the far left G-spots if he wants.....

maybe it'll get him the nomination....but it's the biggest mistake the democrats could make

The democrats need a winner primarily but also someone who can govern.

You know...like craft policy that his own ------- party will support, at least.

#196 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-12 10:50 PM | Reply

Um, that's over two years ago.

#193 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Um, you're being disingenuous.

My thesis hasn't budged one iota -- Bernie has sustained popularity for a reason.

Use some critical thinking skills, Big Fella.

#197 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-12 10:50 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

What a great evening. My HOA dues are due 10/1. I sending the bill to Sanders. He has more money than I do. He can pay it. Life is good, berry, berry good!

#198 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2019-09-12 10:50 PM | Reply

Bernie is winning. The theatrics overshadow the idiocy.

#199 | Posted by willowby at 2019-09-12 10:51 PM | Reply

sooner or later, the DNC will unleash their assault on Bernie.

they have no choice.

#200 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-12 10:54 PM | Reply

You know...like craft policy that his own ------- party will support, at least.

#196 | POSTED BY EBERLY

President Bernie would have the overwhelmingly majority of the American people behind him -- you know, the 80% of Americans who live paycheck to paycheck, not to mention half the population who can't afford an unexpected $400 emergency expense.

You're completely dismissing what all that means, let alone that it even exists.

#201 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-12 10:54 PM | Reply

"Um, you're being disingenuous."

Not at all. You claimed bernie is the most popular politician in the US and your only "proof" is a poll that is over 2 years old. How is that disingenuous on my part?

"My thesis hasn't budged one iota -- Bernie has sustained popularity for a reason."

Sustained popularity? You yourself showed that over two years ago he was the most popular politician in America -- IOW, tops aout of tens of thousands. Now he is only the most popular senator, 1 out of 100. Doesn''t sound like he has sustained his popularity to me.

"Use some critical thinking skills, Big Fella.

POSTED BY PINCHALOAF "

I did. That's how I came to my conclusions. Your conclusions are based on emotion, not logic or critical thinking skills.

#202 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-12 10:55 PM | Reply

sooner or later, the DNC will unleash their assault on Bernie.

they have no choice.

#200 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Nothing surprises me anymore.

#203 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-12 10:57 PM | Reply

A Trump/Sanders debate would sink the bern. He's too quick to anger.

#204 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-09-12 10:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-you know, the 80% of Americans who live paycheck to paycheck, not to mention half the population who can't afford an unexpected $400 emergency expense.

you're focusing on the ills of folks who should support bernie.

I get it. but they were sucking ass, financially, 2 years ago.

couldn't pull the lever for a democrat last time.

are they worse off or better off right now?

#205 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-12 10:57 PM | Reply

"President Bernie would have the overwhelmingly majority of the American people behind him

POSTED BY PINCHALOAF "

Thank you for your opinion, but that is all it is -- an opinion. There is no data to back it up.

It's doubtful he would have a majority support him, much less an "overwhelming majority".

#206 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-12 10:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

sooner or later, the DNC will unleash their assault on Bernie.
they have no choice.
#200 | POSTED BY EBERLY

You keep saying this, like there's a magic treasure trove of information that's been kept hidden from the public to be unleashed on Bernie.

Fact is, much in the same way Trumpublicans don't care what trump has said it done. Most Bernie supporters don't either.

Who cares.

I'd rather have a man with passion and anger in his belly representing me and fighting for Americans than a placid, plastic smile.

Get over your Biden lust. He's worthless.

#207 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-09-12 10:59 PM | Reply

- Every post is about me.

They are about an old reprobate who wants people to believe that Trump and the GOP are not worthy of the kind of criticism he heaps on the only other electable political party we have; trying to give aid and comfort to the worst politicians and policies in the country.

Someone who is willing to lose any credibility they ever had around here in order to get attention.

You become an Attention Troll touting Trumpism on a progressive blog... then you whine when you get attention.

It's like watching an ongoing train wreck of once somewhat decent credibility and intellectual honesty.

Sad.

#208 | Posted by Corky at 2019-09-12 10:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's doubtful he would have a majority support him, much less an "overwhelming majority".
#206 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Thank you for your opinion, but that is all it is -- an opinion. There is no data to back it up.

#209 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-09-12 10:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

he tells folks what they want to hear.
#192 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Welcome to politics.

Trump did the same thing.

He's your president now.

#210 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-09-12 11:01 PM | Reply

I did. That's how I came to my conclusions. Your conclusions are based on emotion, not logic or critical thinking skills.

#202 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

You're dismissing the issues that real people who work for a living care about -- Trump voters admit that they know Trump is a blowhard racist, but at least he speaks to them about the unfairness of their jobs going overseas, having no healthcare, etc.

But Trump conned those voters, while Bernie is the real deal who voters continue to support -- the reason for his popularity.

#211 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-12 11:02 PM | Reply

"Thank you for your opinion, but that is all it is -- an opinion. There is no data to back it up.

#209 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

Actually, there is. There will be no republican support him. THere goes half of voters who count. Bernie doesn't have the full support of his party, so that puts the total who support him below a majority, much less an overwheliming majority.

BTW, imititation is the sincerest form of flattery, even if it doesn't apply. Try to formulate original responses rather than parrot mine.

Or is original thought beyond your capabilities?

#212 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-12 11:04 PM | Reply

208 | Posted by Corky

Another 100 words about me. OCD is an illness, but it can be treated.

#213 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-12 11:04 PM | Reply

Thank you for your opinion, but that is all it is -- an opinion. There is no data to back it up.

#209 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Exactly

#214 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-12 11:04 PM | Reply

-Fact is, much in the same way Trumpublicans don't care what trump has said it done. Most Bernie supporters don't either.

I disagree. Trump supporters ignore his baggage, mistakes, etc...but I wouldn't say that about Bernie supporters. they'll run from him if it gets as ugly as I think.

#215 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-12 11:05 PM | Reply

"Exactly

#214 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF "

Exactly what? Exactly wrong? I agree.

Feel free to rebut my post 212

#216 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-12 11:05 PM | Reply

"You're dismissing the issues that real people who work for a living care about"

No, I'm not. I know what it's like to be a working man. I know hundreds of working people. None of them like socialists that I am aware of.

#217 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-12 11:07 PM | Reply

-Get over your Biden lust

why do you have to be a troll?

you know damn well I don't give a ---- about Biden...I care about winning.

#218 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-12 11:08 PM | Reply

-I'd rather have a man with passion and anger in his belly representing me and fighting for Americans than a placid, plastic smile.

I would too, except that I value winning this next election more than anything else.

#219 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-12 11:12 PM | Reply

No one has "Biden lust." His support is a mile wide and an inch deep.

#220 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-12 11:12 PM | Reply

Actually, there is. There will be no republican support him. THere goes half of voters who count. Bernie doesn't have the full support of his party, so that puts the total who support him below a majority, much less an overwheliming majority.

BTW, imititation is the sincerest form of flattery, even if it doesn't apply. Try to formulate original responses rather than parrot mine.

Or is original thought beyond your capabilities?

#212 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

No, silly goose.

Republican rank-and-file voters rejected the traditional GOP candidates like Jed Bush, Rubio, Cruz and went for the wild card in Trump. Why? Well, because even they wanted things like full access to healthcare, wanted their jobs to not be sent overseas, etc. and Trump spoke to that while Hillary didn't.

Bernie would do VERY well with working and middle-class Trump voters.

Now, you won't believe anything I'm saying if you don't believe in the issues that matters most.

Here's a list ...

www.salon.com

The following all received 70% support or more:

- Allow Government to Negotiate Drug Prices (79%)
- Give Students the Same Low Interest Rates as Big Banks (78%)
- Universal Pre-Kindergarten (77%)
- Fair Trade that Protect Workers, the Environment, and Jobs (75%)
- End Tax Loopholes for Corporations that Ship Jobs Overseas (74%)
- End Gerrymandering (73%)
- Let Homeowners Pay Down Mortgage With 401k (72%)
- Debt-Free College at All Public Universities (Message A) (71%)
- Infrastructure Jobs Program -- $400 Billion / Year (71%)
- Require NSA to Get Warrants (71%)
- Disclose Corporate Spending on Politics/Lobbying (71%)
- Medicare Buy-In for All (71%)
- Close Offshore Corporate Tax Loopholes (70%)
- Green New Deal -- Millions Of Clean-Energy Jobs (70%)
- Full Employment Act (70%)
- Expand Social Security Benefits (70%)


The above list have bipartisan support.

Just as Clownshack is saying, there's plenty of real data that explains why Bernie Sanders has sustained popularity.

#221 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-12 11:13 PM | Reply

"He's your president now.

POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

He's your president as well.

pbs.twimg.com

#222 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-12 11:14 PM | Reply

Bernie can't win against trump. He's got the socialist tag, trumps nazi voters are not voting for a jewish guy, in fact it will galvanize them.

#223 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-09-12 11:15 PM | Reply

I know hundreds of working people. None of them like socialists that I am aware of.

#217 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

I know hundreds of working people who disagree with you your friends -- I got my friends to the polls in 2016 to vote for Bernie.

You're not believing in what's important and what's going on in America.

#224 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-12 11:16 PM | Reply

POSTED BY PINCHALOAF

You spam way too much. The above lists, your links to Hedwig and the Angry Inch crap, and even your own threads. You are like Kamala Harris who keeps spamming me. The more spam I see, the less I believe and the less I want to associate myself with the spammed cause.

#225 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-12 11:17 PM | Reply

Pinch is acting like all of the other candidates are ignoring the issues that real people who work for a living care about.

He also assumes Sander's message of "we live in 2 americas" or "education is they key" or "I'll get out of places we don't need troops and bring that money back home to fix our own problems" are new ideas to sell to voters win election.

I also believe Bernie cares more about Eberly than Trump does. He also cares more about Pinch, Goatman, Clown, Nulli, etc....

I think Bernie passionately believes in his message...he's not making it up....except for the part where he denies the reality that NONE of what he's proposing is getting anywhere considering the congress he'll inherit.

#226 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-12 11:18 PM | Reply

Bernie can't win against trump. He's got the socialist tag, trumps nazi voters are not voting for a jewish guy, in fact it will galvanize them.

#223 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

Not all Trump voters are racist, just a portion of them -- a very large number of working and middle-class Trump voters would switch to Bernie if given the chance.

#227 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-12 11:19 PM | Reply

But Trump conned those voters, while Bernie is the real deal who voters continue to support -- the reason for his popularity.
#211 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF

Ridiculous.

You haven't a clue as to why MiddleAmerica, and many Obama voters, voted for Trump.

#228 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-12 11:19 PM | Reply

#213 |

Another pathetic non-defense. You must enjoy being kicked around.

Funny part is that you not only fail to defend your newly found rwing pretensions, you can't even defend yourself.

#229 | Posted by Corky at 2019-09-12 11:19 PM | Reply

The above list have bipartisan support.

I have stated before those things could be negative, just in the way you phrase it and showing people what it will cost.

#230 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-12 11:19 PM | Reply

"Not all Trump voters are racist, just a portion of them "

i was referring to the literal nazis and white supremacists.

#231 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-09-12 11:19 PM | Reply

"You're not believing in what's important and what's going on in America.
#224 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF "

Well, uour guy failed miserably last election. Demographics and attituedes are pretty much the same as they were four years ago. I do not see that much of a difference.

Face it, you are to Bernie what Corky was to Hillary. Look where corky and hillary are now. Shrill shills are not really taken seriously.

#232 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-12 11:20 PM | Reply

"Bernie doesn't have the full support of his party, so that puts the total who support him below a majority, much less an overwheliming majority."

If Bernie is the Democratic nominee, he will have the support of the party. Full support? We are talking about Democrats here. Nobody has the full support of the party, including Obama when he ran, but when the other option is Trump, never fear, Bernie will have the support of the majority of Democrats.

#233 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-12 11:20 PM | Reply

You spam way too much. The above lists, your links to Hedwig and the Angry Inch crap, and even your own threads. You are like Kamala Harris who keeps spamming me. The more spam I see, the less I believe and the less I want to associate myself with the spammed cause.

#225 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

If you say spam one more time I'm going to start calling you the Flying Hawaiian.

#234 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-12 11:21 PM | Reply

- Shrill shills are not really taken seriously

The lack of self-awareness staggering.

#235 | Posted by Corky at 2019-09-12 11:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Face it, you are to Bernie what Corky was to Hillary. Look where corky and hillary are now. Shrill shills are not really taken seriously.

#232 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

All you got are baseless assertions -- no offense.

#236 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-12 11:23 PM | Reply

"not voting for a jewish guy,"

Christ!!! I forgot that!

:-)

#237 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-12 11:23 PM | Reply

i was referring to the literal nazis and white supremacists.

#231 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE AT 2019-09-12 11:19 PM

Which, according to the ADL, number less than 20,000 in the US.

#238 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-12 11:23 PM | Reply

--229 | Posted by Corky

That must be at least 8 personal attacks on me on this thread. Guess he has nothing else to say.

#239 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-12 11:23 PM | Reply

You haven't a clue as to why MiddleAmerica, and many Obama voters, voted for Trump.
#228 | POSTED BY A WEST COAST TRUST FUND BRAT

You know about as much about middle America as you do about regular America... nothing.

#240 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-09-12 11:25 PM | Reply

No one has "Biden lust." His support is a mile wide and an inch deep.

If the debates so far are any indication, Biden is going to struggle even more as the pool of candidates on stage shrinks. I may be wrong and perhaps he can up his game significantly in the months ahead, but as of now, I wouldn't bank on it. My 2 cents.

#241 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-12 11:25 PM | Reply

"If you say spam one more time I'm going to start calling you the Flying Hawaiian.

#234 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF"

Bad deflection.

I don't spam. You do, as I pointed out (and you didn't -- can't -- deny)

Anyway, between your spamming and wildly unbelievable opinions about Bernie and American political demographics in general, I'm ending this conversation here. You are living in an unreal world.

#242 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-12 11:26 PM | Reply

nulli, plonk corky now.

he's being a troll because he doesn't have the energy to join in and agree with folks like on the sanders thing.

I know he agrees nominating sanders is a mistake and for the same reasons as mine.

but he'd rather chase you around....seriously, plonk him.

#243 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-12 11:27 PM | Reply

#239

I have lots to say. You just have no argument to what I say... because I'm only observing the obvious that everyone else here knows.

Even you know it's true. Which is why you have no argument.

You dis on Dem policy and pols when you know that, for the most part in most cases, they are better for America than the only other alternative, which you have no criticism of at all.

And all because you are so butt-hurt an attention troll.

#244 | Posted by Corky at 2019-09-12 11:28 PM | Reply

"That must be at least 8 personal attacks on me on this thread. Guess he has nothing else to say.

#239 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN "

Give credit where credit's due. I see corky had one post on topic that was not an NDS post.

#245 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-12 11:28 PM | Reply

The Hoarse Whisperer @HoarseWisperer

Why is Bernie Sanders always yelling like they forgot the tartar sauce for his early bird flounder platter

#246 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-12 11:28 PM | Reply

"I don't spam."

you're the guy that spams the insult link and

"begone stalker"

on virtually every thread. ---- off.

#247 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-09-12 11:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Is it possible to be passionate to a fault? If so, Pinch is a prime example.

#248 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-12 11:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- I know he agrees nominating sanders is a mistake and for the same reasons as mine.

What I know is that Sanders or Warren or Biden all present better policies for America than Trump and the GOP. My point is that Dulli knows that, too.

He's just carved out a niche for himself... Butt-Hurt Junction.

#249 | Posted by Corky at 2019-09-12 11:31 PM | Reply

"POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE "

Good evening, nightly stalker. I missed you last night. Were you sick?

Anyway, it was suggested to me I stop enabling you when you stalk me. So have your final word. I hope you aren't too upset about this.

Bye, now!

#250 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-12 11:31 PM | Reply

Bad deflection.

I don't spam. You do, as I pointed out (and you didn't -- can't -- deny)

Anyway, between your spamming and wildly unbelievable opinions about Bernie and American political demographics in general, I'm ending this conversation here. You are living in an unreal world.

#242 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

blah, blah, blah -- having baseless opinions are just that, baseless.

I'm not even a lawyer and I understand that what's said has to be tied to something -- facts, evidence, the law ~

And in law, hearsay is inadmissible.

C'mon Goat, use your noodle.

#251 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-12 11:31 PM | Reply

Posters who are consistently more interested in keeping track of the insults they've dished out and received remind me of Trump.

#252 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-12 11:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--but he'd rather chase you around....seriously, plonk him.

He's plonked me a number of times, but it never lasts more than 24 hours. He loves me!

#253 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-12 11:33 PM | Reply

Joe Lunchbox hears Bernie's pie in the sky idealist mewlings and knows damn well that they are unaffordable.

#254 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-09-12 11:36 PM | Reply

#253

Argument-free postage, as usual.

All you do here is criticize Dems when Trump's policies, and Trump, are obviously less helpful to most Americans, as any sentient creature could tell in a glance.

And when called on this, all you have is.... nothing at all.

It's a clear admission of quilt.

#255 | Posted by Corky at 2019-09-12 11:37 PM | Reply

"He's [corky] plonked me a number of times..."

He's plonked me several times before my return. He's like americanunity and jpw who plonk, unplonk, plonk, unplonk.

#256 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-12 11:37 PM | Reply

This favorable polling of sanders and his ideas.....they are going to fool folks like Pinch come election day.

If Sanders is the nominee.....I can assure you on election day you're going to be saying "I can't believe how goddamn dumb the voters are. Racist, anti-semitic, hilljack redneck, trailer trash, NASCAR watching, -------!!!!!! Sanders was offering them a better deal, policies that would benefit them...what the hell is wrong with these ------- idiots!!!"

Those hilljacks don't disappoint when polled....but they will on election day.

#257 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-12 11:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- before my return

Like the second coming of a bad case of diarrhea.

#258 | Posted by Corky at 2019-09-12 11:40 PM | Reply

"The big winner of the debate tonight was Barack Obama," says
@VanJones68
twitter.com

LMAO ......

#259 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-12 11:42 PM | Reply

While I do think Democrats will coalesce around Bernie if he is the nominee, I also think that this prediction is a distinct possibility:

"Those hilljacks don't disappoint when polled....but they will on election day."

#260 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-12 11:42 PM | Reply

"Like the second coming of a bad case of diarrhea.
#258 | POSTED BY CORKY"

Diarrhea is the body purging itself of something bad. Try it. You act like you haven't had a good ---- in a week.

#261 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-12 11:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#257 | POSTED BY EBERLY

We're deplorables!

#262 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-12 11:43 PM | Reply

Joe Lunchbox hears Bernie's pie in the sky idealist mewlings and knows damn well that they are unaffordable.

POSTED BY PHESTEROBOYLE AT 2019-09-12 11:36 PM | REPLY

I'd rather have pie in the sky than a festering boil on my hiney.

#263 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-09-12 11:43 PM | Reply

Must be up to 12 posts attacking me so far.

#264 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-12 11:44 PM | Reply

Like the second coming of a bad case of diarrhea.
#258 | POSTED BY CORKY AT 2019-09-12 11:40 PM | REPLY

diarrhea stays flushed.

#265 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-09-12 11:44 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

he following all received 70% support or more:
- Allow Government to Negotiate Drug Prices (79%)
- Give Students the Same Low Interest Rates as Big Banks (78%)
- Universal Pre-Kindergarten (77%)
- Fair Trade that Protect Workers, the Environment, and Jobs (75%)
- End Tax Loopholes for Corporations that Ship Jobs Overseas (74%)
- End Gerrymandering (73%)
- Let Homeowners Pay Down Mortgage With 401k (72%)
- Debt-Free College at All Public Universities (Message A) (71%)
- Infrastructure Jobs Program -- $400 Billion / Year (71%)
- Require NSA to Get Warrants (71%)
- Disclose Corporate Spending on Politics/Lobbying (71%)
- Medicare Buy-In for All (71%)
- Close Offshore Corporate Tax Loopholes (70%)
- Green New Deal -- Millions Of Clean-Energy Jobs (70%)
- Full Employment Act (70%)
- Expand Social Security Benefits (70%)

Of course this polls high. Why wouldn't it?

These policies will always poll higher than Sanders himself.

Obama was in reverse.....HE polled higher than his policies.

That's what dems need...someone who polls higher than the policies.

#266 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-12 11:48 PM | Reply

I like Booker, Pete, and of course Warren. If Biden isn't up to it...fine get one of the others.

#267 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-12 11:51 PM | Reply

Good point:

"That's what dems need...someone who polls higher than the policies."

#268 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-12 11:51 PM | Reply

That's what dems need...someone who polls higher than the policies.

#266 | POSTED BYEBERLY

Elections are supposed to be about issues that the majority of the people want.

#269 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-12 11:54 PM | Reply

I thought Booker and Mayor Pete had good nights. Warren too. Maybe Biden will step up as time goes on, but there has been something tentative, uncertain in his performances so far. In some ways I think he is being too respectful of the others on stage even in small ways. For example, they call him Joe, but he calls them Senator. I'm not saying he should attack people the way Castro tried to attack him, but he needs to loosen up.

#270 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-12 11:58 PM | Reply

Good point:

#268 | POSTED BYGAL_TUESDAY

No it's not, it's completely backwards.

Backwards like the Sun rising in the West and setting in the East.

Like the Sun revolving around Earth.

Like sunburn being caused by moonshine instead of sunshine.

#271 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-12 11:59 PM | Reply

"Elections are supposed to be about issues that the majority of the people want."

If only wishing made it true.

Forget the partisan on both sides who aren't voting against their party...even the folks in the middle are more impressed with people than policy.

Trump, despite his complete d-bag persona, impressed folks more than Hillary...it sure as hell wasn't any kind of policy he sold to folks. He sold platitudes and let his party trash Hillary.

Which, BTW, is exactly what Trump will do to Sanders.

#272 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-13 12:02 AM | Reply

Pinch...people are incredibly fickle.

Jesus, look at that list of ---- you posted that polled well.

most folks polled don't understand a hill of beans about that stuff. Yet they supported it...funny.

#273 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-13 12:07 AM | Reply

"No it's not, it's completely backwards."

The messenger has to sell the message. Voters connect with the messenger as well as with the message. If that wasn't the case, we could just program robots with various policy ideas and then let them debate.

#274 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-13 12:12 AM | Reply

Did Left-Wing protesters really disrupt the Debate?

Don't they remember 1968?
www.washingtonexaminer.com

This is going to be horrible optics.

#275 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-13 12:15 AM | Reply

-Voters connect with the messenger as well as with the message.

Being in sales, I've seen this referenced many times....

content.time.com

On TV, Kennedy wins but on radio, Nixon wins.....presentation matters even more than the actual words.

you can imagine the disparity between the man and the policies.

#276 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-13 12:20 AM | Reply

Loaf,

This is a rare point of agreement between you and me.

I pine for the day that these elections are about the issues.

Sadly, they are not. It's reality TV and it precedes Trump. It's all about the zingers. It's all about the 'gotcha.' It's mostly about clicks.

It mostly sucks.

#277 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-09-13 12:22 AM | Reply

277

It's not about anybody enjoying the fact our elections are about the low road.

Politicians debating issues...sounds great. I think they try...but the media drags it into the sewer.

#278 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-13 12:30 AM | Reply

Agreed, Ebs.

#279 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-09-13 12:32 AM | Reply

"Who won the debate?"

Fox Mulder and Dana Scully!

#280 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-13 12:32 AM | Reply

"Who won the debate?"
----
Fox Mulder and Dana Scully!

#280 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Were any members of the Peacock family in attendance?

#281 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-09-13 12:34 AM | Reply

--Were any members of the Peacock family in attendance?

Those were the protestors!

#282 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-13 12:36 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Former Democratic Senator Heidi Heitkamp on the #DemDebate: "I spend a lot of time with moderate, independent voters, and I don't think they looked at this debate and heard their life experience reflected in this debate."
twitter.com

No doubt!

#283 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-13 01:02 AM | Reply

They're all radical morons. I have no choice but to vote for Trump. Didn't vote for him the first time, I usually vote Libertarian. I figured Hillary was a slam dunk. This time, I have to use my vote to keep any of these far left idiots out.

#284 | Posted by willowby at 2019-09-13 01:10 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

^^^^^^^^^He's right you know...

#285 | Posted by boaz at 2019-09-13 01:58 AM | Reply

Andrew Yang's entire campaign is built upon the fact that jobs will go away as a result of automation and cause mass unemployment in the very near future so we need UBI. Then, he goes not to endorse MORE immigration. How can someone be this dumb?

#286 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-13 03:10 AM | Reply

Out of the tens of thousands of politicians in the US, I find it hard to believe a socialist is the most popular.

#180 | POSTED BY SporkGoat

You also think Sarah Palin is hot, so that shows your poor judgement.

#287 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-09-13 03:47 AM | Reply

"You also think Sarah Palin is hot, so that shows your poor judgement.
#287 | POSTED BY ABORTED_MONSON "

You just think she was ugly because she has a vagina - same reason why you thought she was dumb.

#288 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-13 06:44 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Former Democratic Senator Heidi Heitkamp on the #DemDebate: "I spend a lot of time with moderate, independent voters, and I don't think they looked at this debate and heard their life experience reflected in this debate."
twitter.com

No doubt!

#283 | Posted by AndreaMackris

They could relate to any one of them more so than a guy who inherited $400,000,000, blew it, had 4 bankruptcies, 3 wives, disparages minorities, cozies up to dictators, and has dubious financial dealings.

#289 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-13 06:53 AM | Reply

"They could relate to any one of them more so than a guy who inherited $400,000,000, blew it, had 4 bankruptcies, 3 wives, disparages minorities, cozies up to dictators, and has dubious financial dealings.
#289 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY "

Who are you referring to? Trump is a billionaire, not really 'blew it'...second, he did not have 4 personal bankruptcies - certain of his businesses that he owned did - as one would expect with someone that owns a ton of different businesses. Even Warren Buffett had some bankruptcies - but I don't think you are going to hold that against him.

You seem like the type of guy that would say Thomas Edison was a failure because it took him 1000 times before he had a working light bulb.

As to marriages - that is a sign of a bad person now? You get divorced and you are a lesser person in some way? That would be news to the 50% of people that get divorced. Did you ever think you were the dumbass for staying in a marriage that didn't make you happy? Of course, with Trump's charm and money, his options are much, much greater than yours.

#290 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-13 07:33 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Speak,

"Most trump supporters actually think the mueller report found nothing."

Do you think most republicans are really even considering that?

It's the liberals who are obsessing about it.

So far the Mueller Report is basically, "some people found something"

Ok...waiting....

#291 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-09-13 07:41 AM | Reply

"Of course, with Trump's charm and money, his options are much, much greater than yours."

Ira Goldberg finds Trump "charming." OMG! That is so sad. Ira, you have not taste in men. Donald Trump is the least charming man possible, he's a bully. He'll be lucky if one of his own kids doesn't kill him. I honestly feel sorry for them to have been subjected to his sick personality all their lives.

#292 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-13 08:25 AM | Reply

"Trump is a billionaire, not really"

He won't show his tax returns and I'm not buying the pretense that he is a billionaire. Billionaires wouldn't make crass TV shows like he did. He did the TV show for the money. He looked like an imbecile doing it.

#293 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-13 08:27 AM | Reply

"They're all radical morons. I have no choice but to vote for Trump. Didn't vote for him the first time, I usually vote Libertarian. I figured Hillary was a slam dunk. This time, I have to use my vote to keep any of these far left idiots out."

Yes, you need to protect America from universal healthcare. OMG, thank God for big thinkers like you!

#294 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-13 08:29 AM | Reply

"On TV, Kennedy wins but on radio, Nixon wins.....presentation matters even more than the actual words."

Nixon's character came through pretty clearly on TV, and later as President, it became a matter that demanded resignation or impeachment. He should have bee tried for treason before we even had the election of 1968. He should have rotted in prison til the day he died.

#295 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-13 08:32 AM | Reply

Along with virtually every single Republican President since.

#296 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-13 08:32 AM | Reply

Biden, Warren and Sanders all very old, looks like Depends is sponsoring the Democrat line up.

#297 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-09-13 08:37 AM | Reply

"Nixon's character came through pretty clearly on TV, and later as President...

POSTED BY DANNI"

It was great character then, considering he carried 49 states and got 502 electoral votes in 1972.

#298 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-13 08:49 AM | Reply

"Along with virtually every single Republican President since.

#296 | POSTED BY DANNI "

Reagan got 49 states and 525 electoral votes in 1984. So I guess you are right -- their characters came through clearly.

#299 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-13 08:52 AM | Reply

Danni should just be plonked for stupid ass posts like that.

100% off topic and the point sailed 50 miles above her head.

#300 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-13 09:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Plonked? Lol
People actually come to debate and share ideas and opinions, then silence anyone that disagrees?
Beach please.

#301 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-09-13 09:59 AM | Reply

I kept waiting for Biden to wander aimlessly off stage.

Yang is good at math. What a surprise!

I had to turn down the volume when Warren spoke.

#302 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-09-13 10:55 AM | Reply

I kept waiting for angry old Bernie to have a stroke. That raging maniac has no chance. If he gets the nomination, it's a GOP landslide.

#303 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-13 10:59 AM | Reply

They could relate to any one of them more so than a guy who inherited $400,000,000, blew it, had 4 bankruptcies, 3 wives, disparages minorities, cozies up to dictators, and has dubious financial dealings.

#289 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY

First off take it up with Democratic Senator Heidi Heitkamp.

Second perhaps this is where Democrats think that "relating" is someone they can have a beer with, while living in the WhiteHouse. American people are capable of seeing through such signalling. Relating in this case, is the extremism point of views laid to bare during the debate.

Buttigieg: you're racist
O'Rourke: we're taking your guns
Harris: we're taking your private healthcare
Warren: and you'll pay for illegals
Biden: all the things that happened while I was VP didn't happen
Sanders: we'll fight climate change using population control / abortion

Who are these people, what planet are they from?

#304 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-13 11:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"It was great character then, considering he carried 49 states and got 502 electoral votes in 1972."

Considering he blew up the Paris Peace Talks, for purely political advantage, before he was elected and extended the Vietnam was and cost 25,000 additional American soldiers' lives, yes he was a horrible human being without any scintilla of decency. President Johnson called it treason and Republican Everett Dirkson agreed with him.

#305 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-13 11:38 AM | Reply

"Who are these people, what planet are they from?"

Probably not the same one you came from.

#306 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-13 11:38 AM | Reply

""It was great character then, considering he carried 49 states and got 502 electoral votes in 1972."

Considering he [Nixon] blew up the Paris Peace Talks, for purely political advantage, before he was elected and extended the Vietnam was and cost 25,000 additional American soldiers' lives,

#305 | POSTED BY DANNI "

The historically challenged can be so frustrating. Actually, Danni, Nixon ended the war, not prolong it. That would be Johnson under whom casualties rose yearly. Nixon started bringing troops home as soon as he was took office and an immediate drop in American casualties followed and continued to decrease. Fewer Americans were killed in Viet Nam while Nixon was president . In 1972, American casualties in Viet Nam were 641, vs 16,592 in 1068.

You keep citing this lie, Danni, and I keep proving you wrong. Are you trying to pull Goebbels or what? I don't understand your motives.

Oh, yes, the Paris Peace Talks were in January 1973, not "before he was elected" as you claim. He was first elected in 1968 then again in 1972

www.militaryfactory.com

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Peace_Accords

Seriously -- why do you keep repeating these lies?

#307 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-13 11:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

It's amazing how the president that ended the war is blamed for it and the party that ended slavery and passed civil rights legislation is called racist. The Democrats own the easily fooled.

#308 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-09-13 01:46 PM | Reply

It is interesting how the different media outlets are judging who did well and who did poorly in the debates based largely on their own political editorial biases.

#309 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-09-13 02:40 PM | Reply

Old man biden's teeth were literally falling out. But you may have missed it because of his bleeding eyeball.

Please dont nominate this fossil.

#310 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-13 05:22 PM | Reply

the party that ended slavery and passed civil rights legislation is called racist. The Democrats own the easily fooled.

#308 | POSTED BY VISITOR_ AT 2019-09-13 01:46 PM | REPLY

It is more amazing that the party that currently would never vote to end slavery and embraces white supremacists would take credit for what their party did when they were progressive

#311 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-09-13 05:25 PM | Reply

"the party that ended slavery and passed civil rights legislation is called racist."

Things that happened 150 and 50 years ago...
Anything happened since then?

#312 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-13 05:28 PM | Reply

It would make total sense for Americans to seek an alternative to Trump who could keep the economy going strong, curb immigration, and calm things down a bit globally, but Dems don't offer that, they offer certain economic doom, hate, misery, race war, open borders, garbage healthcare, and the complete uprooting of our daily lives to suit an imaginary climate hoax, destroying capitalism.

#313 | Posted by mutant at 2019-09-13 07:17 PM | Reply

but Dems don't offer that, they offer certain economic doom, hate, misery, race war, open borders, garbage healthcare, and the complete uprooting of our daily lives to suit an imaginary climate hoax, destroying capitalism.

#313 | Posted by mutant

Someone is dumb enough to get their info from fox news.

Everything you just wrote is a lie.

#314 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-13 07:33 PM | Reply

"but Dems don't offer that, they offer certain economic doom,

Everything you just wrote is a lie.
#314 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2019-09-13 07:33 PM "

And someone is lying again.

The democrats are most certainly predicting economic doom. You aren't keeping up if you think they aren't

Why do you lie so much?

#315 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-13 07:53 PM | Reply

Snoofy,

"Things that happened 150 and 50 years ago...
Anything happened since then?"

That's a good question.

150 years since black emancipation but we're still talking about it?

Why is slavery continuing to be a current topic of conversation?

Sure...racism is still a problem but why does that have to be discussed in the context of slavery?

Seems to me whites who had nothing to do with slavery are being extorted now with the "r" word.

The black culture today should be finding an identity separate from their days of slavery.

Why does that not seem to be happening?

Is it blacks who are wallowing in the past or just liberals who want to play the slavery card for political advantage by constantly talking about it?

Snoofy...you are asking a good question.

#316 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-09-13 08:04 PM | Reply

The democrats are most certainly predicting economic doom. You aren't keeping up if you think they aren't

Why do you lie so much?

#315 | Posted by goatman

Recessions are cyclical. We are statistically overdue. You dont have to be nostradamus. Idiot.

And massive tax cuts for the rich always lead to economic downturns. Moron.

#317 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-13 08:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"150 years since black emancipation but we're still talking about it?"

Because "emancipation" into Jim Crow wasn't really emancipation into equality, BillJohnson.
And "emancipation" into on-paper equality wasn't really emancipation into equality, BillJohnson.

That's why we are still talking about it.
I'm honestly sad for you if you can't see that, on the whole, blacks have it worse than whites in America.
It makes me sad to even think that might be true about you.

#318 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-13 08:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Recessions are cyclical. We are statistically overdue. You dont have to be nostradamus. Idiot.
And massive tax cuts for the rich always lead to economic downturns. Moron.
POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY "

Weird. All the other lefties -- including you on other threads -- are blaming Trump, not economic cycles.

"moron. Idiot"

""When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser."

Socrates

Better luck next time, speaksoftly

#319 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-13 08:19 PM | Reply

"150 years since black emancipation but we're still talking about it?"

That was 5 generations ago - think about that. That is a bunch of greats before you reach someone in your family that was a slave. Also, a vast majority of the present US didn't even have slavery. In the south, 32% owned slaves and the south was only 29% of the US population - so that makes it only 9% of all Americans that trace their roots to the pre-civil war era ever owned a slave. Between the end of the Civil War and 1900, the population of the US doubled due to IMMIGRATION. So, it is safe to say that by 1900, about 5% of the total US population at that time had ever owned a slave. This is important as the collective sin is passed to everyone with white skin in the US as a result of the actions of 5% of its population.

Now, I know the argument is how everyone benefited from slavery. Well, I can tell you that the majority of the US was agrarian based then and the poor farmer in the North had ZERO benefit from slavery. The ones that benefited were the large cities based on trade or textiles in the northeast - like Boston, New York, and Philly. So, if we want to point fingers that the people that had the lasting benefit from slavery - that is where we need to point our fingers. Let those cities pay reparations before you ask the dirt farmers in Wisconsin that arrived post Civil war.

It is way past time to stop re-hashing slavery when nothing can be done to change the past. Unfortunately, the best policies that can be implemented to help black families in the US in general are:

1.) Stop illegal immigration - Dems won't do this
2.) Criminal justice reform - the Dems running for president were 'lock them up types' in 2 very liberal states

That is the reality. I know that Dems need to press on about open borders - but they picked a horrible time and a horrible place to do it. Talking gay/transgender rights and open borders at a historically black university is spitting in the faces of their black supporters.

#320 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-13 08:36 PM | Reply

"2.) Criminal justice reform - the Dems running for president were 'lock them up types' in 2 very liberal states"

If that's your barometer, then Trump is a "lock them up" type too.

Of course, when Democrats support criminal justice reform, Republicans just call them soft on crime.

And then they pass state laws making it legal to run over protesters blocking the road.

#321 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-13 08:57 PM | Reply

"If that's your barometer, then Trump is a "lock them up" type too.
#321 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

Have you been sleeping the last couple of months? Trump just passed criminal justice reform. Harris' legacy will be blocking it for cheap CA prison labor (thanks Tulsi) and hiding exculpatory DNA evidence.

To be fair to Harris - it was not about the cheap labor. It was about keeping inmates number high as a handout to the prison guard union.

#322 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-13 09:07 PM | Reply

"Harris' legacy will be blocking it for cheap CA prison labor (thanks Tulsi) and hiding exculpatory DNA evidence."

Trump's legacy is calling for the execution and then not believing the exculpatory DNA evidence exonerating the Central Park Five.

Harris, acting as DA and railroading the most vulnerable, is what DA's do. Maybe you fear her ruthless efficiency?

#323 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-13 09:10 PM | Reply

"Trump's legacy is calling for the execution and then not believing the exculpatory DNA evidence exonerating the Central Park Five.
#323 | POSTED BY SNOOFY"

The Central Park 5 are guilty.

#324 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-13 11:06 PM | Reply

#324 - Obviously trolling, no one's that stupid.

#325 | Posted by YAV at 2019-09-13 11:14 PM | Reply

The Central Park 5 are guilty.

#324 | POSTED BY IRAGOLDBERG AT 2019-09-13 11:06 PM | REPLY |

The DNA says the central park five had nothing to do with the crime they were convicted of. There is no reliable evidence pointing to them

#326 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-09-13 11:17 PM | Reply

"#324 - Obviously trolling, no one's that stupid.
#325 | POSTED BY YAV"

One of the 'innocent 5' admitted to being scratched on the face by the victim prior to the police ever mentioning the rape. They were arrested for beating people up in the park - and they slipped up and admitted this fact WHILE BEING RELEASED. The confessions were not coerced - their parents were present, and they weren't sleep deprived or unaware of their rights. This was a 'feel good' story that you were dumb enough to believe.

#327 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-13 11:19 PM | Reply

The DNA says the central park five had nothing to do with the crime they were convicted of. There is no reliable evidence pointing to them
#326 | POSTED BY HATTER5183

That DOES NOT SAY THAT. It just says that the other guy had something to do with it too (before or after the fact). Again, we have admissions of guilt before the raped jogger was even found.

#328 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-13 11:21 PM | Reply

Yep.
You're that stupid.
Glad we settled that.

#329 | Posted by YAV at 2019-09-13 11:40 PM | Reply

#329 | POSTED BY YAV

Yes, Liberals really are that dumb. A confession from ALL FIVE, the admission before even being questioned by the jogger, and a history of mugging and beating people in the park. Also, they each already said why their sperm would not show up during the police interrogations.

You probably still think OJ is innocent. -------.

#330 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-13 11:48 PM | Reply

You probably still think OJ is innocent. -------.
#330 | POSTED BY IRAGOLDBERG

Also probably Adnan Syed, Zach Witman, and Justin Wolfe too just because another douche duped NPR into doing Serial Season 1.

You liberals need to learn critical thinking skills.

#331 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-13 11:56 PM | Reply

#301

I agree with you 100%. Even though danni is a complete radical left idiot, I'd never plonk her or anybody else. If I haven't plonked the two biggest morons here(rein, monson), I can't ever see me doing it. It's cowardice, pure and simple.

#332 | Posted by willowby at 2019-09-14 12:53 AM | Reply

You liberals need to learn critical thinking skills.

#331 | POSTED BY IRAGOLDBERG AT 2019-09-13 11:56 PM | REPLY |

So now you think we all SHOULD get liberal indoctrination?

critical thinking is the core of liberal arts colleges

the central 5's confessions were all coerced. The real killer confessed AND had DNA that matched the crime scene. Blind trust of the police is the opposite of critical thinking.

#333 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-09-14 12:24 PM | Reply

--critical thinking is the core of liberal arts colleges

Hahahaha. Yeah, a few decades ago.

#334 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-14 12:29 PM | Reply

#333 | POSTED BY HATTER5183

You realize you can watch the taped confessions on YouTube, right? You know, the confessions with their parents right in the room with them...

#335 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-14 12:53 PM | Reply

"The Central Park 5 are guilty."
"You probably still think OJ is innocent. -------."

And you still can't figure out why you're not attracting black voters!

#336 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-14 02:44 PM | Reply

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