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The number of people in the U.S. without health insurance jumped by 2 million from 2017 to a total of 27.5 million in 2018, according to census data release Tuesday.

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The number of people in the U.S. without health insurance jumped by 2 million from 2017 to a total of 27.5 million in 2018, according to census data release Tuesday.

The bloated------------ will give this news two tiny thumbs up.

#1 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2019-09-13 12:00 PM | Reply

So a point 0.6 percent jump WOW thats newsworthy

#2 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-13 12:07 PM | Reply

Eliminate the mandate and people stop buying a product they didn't want. Next.

#3 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-13 12:12 PM | Reply

"So a point 0.6 percent jump WOW thats newsworthy"

It is to the 2 million people who don't have the coverage they need, mostly thanks to Republicans in red states where they refused to accept Medicaid expansion. Priveleged people saying this is unimportant kind of causes a vomit reflex in me.

#4 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-13 12:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

It is to the 2 million people who don't have the coverage they need,

You mean 27.5Million.

mostly thanks to Republicans in red states where they refused to accept Medicaid expansion.

Under ObamaCare medicaid reimbursements to the states drops over time, thats what it was all about, short term high fives all around.

Eventually the states will be saddled with the expansion and more people will be without coverage.

Don't blame those that are fiscally responsible and see through the sales job.

Priveleged people saying this is unimportant kind of causes a vomit reflex in me.

People choose not to have coverage, its nothing to do with privilege.

Sorry freedom makes you vomit.

#5 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-13 12:33 PM | Reply

So a point 0.6 percent jump WOW thats newsworthy

#2 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

2 million people.

That's 3 times more soldiers than we lost in all the wars we've fought since 1900.

It's more people than North Dakota, Wyoming and Vermont combined.

14 states in the country don't even have 2 million people.

With average health care spending at approximately $11,000 per person in the US, that represents $22,000,000,000. That's billion in case you can't count zeros.

So yeah, I'd say it's pretty god damn newsworthy.

#6 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-09-13 12:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Under ObamaCare medicaid reimbursements to the states drops over time, thats what it was all about, short term high fives all around."

No that was not what it was about. It was just a rejection of anything connected to Obama.

"Historically, the federal share of Medicaid has averaged about 57 percent; however, under the ACA, the matching rate is higher for adults newly covered under the program. The federal government paid 100 percent of state Medicaid costs for certain newly eligible individuals through the end of 2016. Starting in 2017, the matching rate declines slightly each year until it reaches 90 percent in 2020 and remains there (see table below)."

www.macpac.gov

So Republicans allowed millions of working poor Americans to go without access to healthcare when the federal government was going to start out paying 100% of the cost and just gradually reducing it to 90% of the cost.
No, the black guy got healthcare passed and the Southern red neck lying a******s just couldn't stand it. They rather watch people get sick and even die rather than admit Obamacare was a big improvement in healthcare for this country.

#7 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-13 12:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I am going to give you great low cost health care with no co-pays and deductibles that will cover everything. It's very easy to do."

- Fat Nixon 2016

#8 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-09-13 01:28 PM | Reply

So a point 0.6 percent jump WOW thats newsworthy

#2 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-13 12:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

If you were one of the 2,000,000 or had any compassion for people other than yourself it would be.

Since it doesn't effect you personally, you don't care.

#9 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-09-13 01:30 PM | Reply

"People choose not to have coverage"

we know. and the responsible who do have coverage have to pay for their freeloading at the ED, (by a GOP mandate, of course)

as you are probably unaware, because you are a swamp of stupid dweller, the GOP mandated no patient at an ED can be refused service for lack of payment
what that means is that everyone else who does pay, (aka the personally responsible) pays more to cover the gap

#10 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-09-13 03:28 PM | Reply

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Obamas fault.

#11 | Posted by fresno500 at 2019-09-13 10:43 PM | Reply

Exactly what anyone with a brain knew any republican president would do - tax cuts for rich people, health care cut for poor people.

Party of satan.

#12 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-14 12:12 AM | Reply

I was trying to find some stats on this but it seems like people are trying to hide the data. What I would like to know is:

The NUMBER (not %) of people in the US covered by employer funded health insurance. My theory would be that the increased employment picture since 2008 along with increasing job quality since 2016 probably covered more people that Obamacare. But, I don't have the stats to analyze.

#13 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-14 12:21 AM | Reply

Party of satan.

#12 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

Hail Satan!

#14 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-14 12:23 AM | Reply

I was trying to find some stats on this but it seems like people are trying to hide the data. What I would like to know is:

The NUMBER (not %) of people in the US covered by employer funded health insurance. My theory would be that the increased employment picture since 2008 along with increasing job quality since 2016 probably covered more people that Obamacare. But, I don't have the stats to analyze.

#13 | Posted by iragoldberg

It took me a SINGLE Google search, all of 2 seconds (link provided below).

Note that 3+ million LESS people had employer-provided health insurance in 2017 than in 1999 (second graph in the item below).

But it's the third graph that tells the tale for why something other than employer-provided health insurance is needed in America, where (for 2017) less than 15% of working households at or below the Federal Poverty Level had employer-provided health insurance, whereas households making more than 400% of the Federal Poverty Level, 84% of them had employer-provided health insurance. And when you look at the country as a whole, less than 59% of all working households had employer-provided health insurance. How do we address the more than 41% of working households which have NO access to employer-provided health insurance? And for the record, in 1999, better than 67% of working households had employer-provided health insurance. That's a drop of 9% in 18 years.

www.healthsystemtracker.org

OCU

#15 | Posted by OCUser at 2019-09-14 01:00 AM | Reply

"#15 | POSTED BY OCUSER"

Thank you for the link. For me, I look at 2007 at the base year - 1999 is irrelevant. 2007 pre-dates the Great Bush Depression and we had 156.7M people covered by employer health insurance. Then, as the JOBS disappeared, we had that number decline by 10M to 146.8M. Since that time (up until 2017), we had those 10M get insured again under employer plans. Given this ends in 2017 and given that Trump has created 4M jobs since then - and higher quality jobs at that based on increase hourly earnings and manufacturing numbers - I think we can say that 12-14M people are now insured that were not insured previously due to employment improving.

If I compare that to Obamacare sign ups - in 2018, that number was 8.5M. So, basically, improving the job picture got insurance coverage for 50-75% more people than the complete overhaul of our health insurance that was Obamacare. On top of that, this complete transformation under Obamacare still left vast swathes of the population uncovered - and as they are proving now - these people choose not to be covered when not forced to participate.

I know the Dems love to scream about health care - but we are really fighting this entire fight to get coverage for less than 3% (8.5M/330M) of our population. Seems to be misplaced priorities when simply building a wall and enforcing immigration will drive wage growth to the point that employer funded plans cover just about everyone or working age.

#16 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-14 01:30 AM | Reply

I suspect that IRA considers 1999 to be "irrelevant" because a Democrat, Bill Clinton, was in the White House.

And as for those alleged 4M jobs that Trump has 'created' since 2017, I suspect that a large percentage of them would have fallen into one of the first two columns in the third graph in my previously referenced item.

The question that you should be asking is, "How many more people are being covered by health insurance than before Obamacare?" BTW, that number is very close to 20M. When you consider that before Obamacare, there were nearly 49M Americans without any sort of health insurance, this is a very significant improvement. As for your figure of 8.5M applying for insurance under the ACA in 2018, do you honestly think that this number was NOT impacted as a result of the actions taken by the Trump administration to CHANGE the process of applying and qualifying for insurance under the ACA?

OCU

#17 | Posted by OCUser at 2019-09-14 02:05 AM | Reply

"I suspect that IRA considers 1999 to be "irrelevant" because a Democrat, Bill Clinton, was in the White House."

No, it is irrelevant because this was pre-wholesale hollowing out of our industrial base due to NAFTA and off-shoring to China. Most of those dirty manufacturing jobs that Liberals hate are the kind that provided health insurance. That is why the trend was coming down from 1999 regardless of GDP growth, etc up to the 2007 crash.

""How many more people are being covered by health insurance than before Obamacare?" BTW, that number is very close to 20M."

Well, let's analyze that. In 2017, total uninsured was 27.4M. In 2013, that number was 42M - so we have a total change of 14.5M. But, over this timeframe employer based coverage (per your prior link) increased by 7M. Also during this time, medicare enrollment increased by 6M. So, absent 'Obamacare' - we would have had a net decrease in uninsured of 13M.

So, that leaves the mystery of where these 8M Obamacare enrollees came from - either we had a population explosion during this time OR the Obamacare enrollees were not really uninsured previously, they just switched to Obamacare from other insurance plans. So, again - how much impact did Obamacare have on the total number of uninsured in the country?

#18 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-14 02:35 AM | Reply

Sorry freedom makes you vomit.

#5 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS AT 2019-09-13 12:33 PM | FLAG: EYE ROLL

Erm... so you don't think the emergency room health care is expensive? Under the current system them enjoying "freedom" is costing everyone else.

Sorry if personal responsibility makes you vomit.

That is the weird thing about conservatrons... they often pass irresponsible behavior off as "freedoms" and "rights".

#19 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-09-14 05:11 AM | Reply

I happen to know a young man who had been vapint, has a "job" but he is a contractor, so he had no benefits, didn't even have taxes deducted or SS taxes decucted or paid by the employer. So he became quite ill, spent five days in the hospital, they never diagnosed his illness though they treated it with very powerful antibiotics. They finally did overpower whatever infection it was. He was sent home and seems to be recovering. He's lost a tremendous amount of weight but otherwise he seems to be ok. He now owes $48,000.00. Yay for the American healthcare system. They guy is 22 years old. Yay Republicans trying to have ACA declared unconstitutional. I'm sorry but, I have very little willingness to even listen to your arguments. Y'all are just sick. Sad but true.

#20 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-14 08:45 AM | Reply

I happen to know a young man who had been vapint, has a "job" but he is a contractor, so he had no benefits, didn't even have taxes deducted or SS taxes decucted or paid by the employer. So he became quite ill, spent five days in the hospital, they never diagnosed his illness though they treated it with very powerful antibiotics. They finally did overpower whatever infection it was. He was sent home and seems to be recovering. He's lost a tremendous amount of weight but otherwise he seems to be ok. He now owes $48,000.00. Yay for the American healthcare system. They guy is 22 years old. Yay Republicans trying to have ACA declared unconstitutional. I'm sorry but, I have very little willingness to even listen to your arguments. Y'all are just sick. Sad but true.

#21 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-14 08:45 AM | Reply

"$48,000.00. Yay for the American healthcare system. They guy is 22 years old.
#20 | POSTED BY DANNI "

So they saved his life for $48,000, sound like a good deal. What was not a good deal was taking a job as a contractor so you get more upfront money but then need to cover all of your own expenses - yeah, that includes payroll taxes and health insurance. He chose not to have it and to work in that profession at those terms - it was a bad gamble. For millions, it pays off just fine which is why a lot don't buy it. The government should not dictate behavior simply because some people are too stupid to make sound financial choices. If we want to go there, I would kick over half of the students out of college now and cancel 3/4 of all degrees.

#22 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-14 09:03 AM | Reply

"So they saved his life for $48,000, sound like a good deal. What was not a good deal was taking a job as a contractor so you get more upfront money but then need to cover all of your own expenses"

And you have no problem with the "employer" who only hires people as contractors. America is going to wake up to this problem soon, Uber, and many other "employers" are using this to avoid all the costs of being an employers. I was an employer, I paid all the costs it demanded. I do resent "employers' like Uber who don't. I think they should either "hire" those people or go out of business. I wouldn't miss Uber at all, remember taxis? I was fine with taxis. Uber is just a 'SCHEME' to avoid the costs of actually hiring people. Uber should be stomped out of existence. So far in my life, I have never hired an UBER, taxis still exist and I still use them. Uber should not be allowed to exist.

#23 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-14 09:11 AM | Reply

--Uber should not be allowed to exist.

Typical authoritarian socialist.

#24 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-14 09:17 AM | Reply

"Typical authoritarian socialist."

No, just a typical law abiding citizen who expects corporations to obey our laws. Pretending Uber drivers aren't employees is just avoiding all or our laws regarding employment. It's absolutely wrong. Make an argument to support it or shut T F up.
Be aware, this is a subject I have been exposed to, have studied in depth, and my anger towards it is very well supported. Uber and the other companies like them should be driven completely out of business. We already had a well regulated taxi industry who paid huge amounts of money to buy the right to be in that industrry. Uber should not be allowed to replace them for free. Uber is the company that sets up the work place of the future. we are just replaceable components with no right to decent treatment as employees. F Uber! I will walk before I take an Uber.

#25 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-14 09:26 AM | Reply

--Be aware, this is a subject I have been exposed to, have studied in depth

You've never studied anything in depth. You read a few articles from HuffnPuff or some other leftist rag.

#26 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-14 09:31 AM | Reply

"Uber, and many other "employers" are using this to avoid all the costs of being an employers."

Your buddy was an Uber driver? Here is a little life lesson for you both - UBER, LIKE FRY COOK IS NOT A FULL TIME JOB. This is meant to be part time to earn extra income. If he was doing that full time at 22, this illness was the least of his problems.

"I was an employer, I paid all the costs it demanded."

Did you pay $20/hour - you know, a 'living wage'? I doubt it so take your holier than thou attitude and shove it.

"So far in my life, I have never hired an UBER, taxis still exist and I still use them. Uber should not be allowed to exist.
#23 | POSTED BY DANNI "

If you actually gave a shift other than virtue signalling, you would be demanding a stop to illegal immigration. Nothing would have benefited your unskilled, Uber driving friend more than that. Now that he is healthy, he can go back to competing against illegal workers for minimum wage and no benefits. It doesn't have to be that way.

#27 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-14 09:32 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"He chose not to have it and to work in that profession at those terms - it was a bad gamble."

He is 22 years old. Guess what, with Medicare for all, he'd be debt free A*****e. And you truly are an A*****e Ira Goldberg. You truly are. You never win an argument but still keep repeating Republican talking points as if you do. I will let you in on a little information here, you aren't considered a deep thinker. You're a talking point repeater. That's all you are. Own it.
A tape recorder could be a better poster than you.

Perhaps "tape recorder" should be your new nick name.

#28 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-14 09:34 AM | Reply

You've never studied anything in depth.

#26 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-14

Elitist.

#29 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-14 09:35 AM | Reply

I will let you in on a little information here, you aren't considered a deep thinker. You're a talking point repeater. That's all you are.

Posted by Deep Thinker Danni at 2019-09-14 09:34 AM

lol

#30 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-14 09:38 AM | Reply

"If you actually gave a shift other than virtue signalling, you would be demanding a stop to illegal immigration. Nothing would have benefited your unskilled, Uber driving friend more than that."

Sorry, but I have dealt with the realities of both the taxi industry and the Uber filth.
I work for a company close to the airport here in Ft. Lauderdale. The filth that Uber drivers left in our company's property was disgusting, our employees had to clean up meses which were truly disgusting.
Never had that problem when taxis were the primary transportation system from the airport.
How anyone supports a company that replaces regulated taxis with contractors who aren't even employees. is beyond my willingness to accept divergent ideas.

#31 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-14 09:43 AM | Reply

"So they saved his life for $48,000, sound like a good deal. What was not a good deal was taking a job as a contractor so you get more upfront money but then need to cover all of your own expenses"

And you have no problem with the "employer" who only hires people as contractors. America is going to wake up to this problem soon, Uber, and many other "employers" are using this to avoid all the costs of being an employers. I was an employer, I paid all the costs it demanded. I do resent "employers' like Uber who don't. I think they should either "hire" those people or go out of business. I wouldn't miss Uber at all, remember taxis? I was fine with taxis. Uber is just a 'SCHEME' to avoid the costs of actually hiring people. Uber should be stomped out of existence. So far in my life, I have never hired an UBER, taxis still exist and I still use them. Uber should not be allowed to exist.

#32 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-14 09:51 AM | Reply

just because they don't have Health Insurance doesn't mean they don't have Health Care

you have to watch how the Dems use their words

global warming to Climate change

liberal to progressive

etc...

#33 | Posted by Maverick at 2019-09-14 09:55 AM | Reply

I owned a little tiny print shop but guess what, all of my employees had health insurance supplied by me. If I could do that then so should Uber. F Uber! I want that company to go out of business. I want the owners to end up homeless. I hate Uber! Smart people do.! Because we actually see the scheme that those crooks are trying to convince America and the world is legitimate business. My goal in life is to destroy Uber.

#34 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-14 09:56 AM | Reply

#34 | POSTED BY DANNI

"I owned a little tiny print shop but guess what, all of my employees had health insurance supplied by me."

Yeah, and food stamps, heating assistance, and other welfare provided by me as a tax payer - unless you paid $20/hour. Did you?

#35 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-14 10:09 AM | Reply

So, you are saying that people can afford 500 dollar shoes and a drug habit but not health insurance.

#36 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-09-14 10:46 AM | Reply

"I wouldn't miss Uber at all, remember taxis? I was fine with taxis. Uber is just a 'SCHEME' to avoid the costs of actually hiring people. Uber should be stomped out of existence. So far in my life, I have never hired an UBER, taxis still exist and I still use them. Uber should not be allowed to exist.

#32 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2019-09-14 09:51 AM "

Another compassionate and tolerant liberal. But now she is attacking other liberals as well. She doesn't mind that millions of poor people who can't afford taxis will no longer be able to get around or will have to pay twice as much to do so.

Why do you hate poor people so much, Danni? Why do you want them to be forced to stay at home because they can't afford a taxi?

#37 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-14 12:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Sorry freedom makes you vomit.

#5 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

Freedom does not make me vomit. What does freedom have to do with it? I would like to be free of idiots like you. So I am not free? Idiots like you and Humpy make me vomit. If not for idiots like you (and Humpy) we could have nice things in this country, like Affordable Healthcare and an education like most other modern civilized countries do.

#38 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-09-14 12:45 PM | Reply

An employer can't make an employee a contract laborer.

They can hire you, treat you as contract, but if the law says you are an employee, the employer is looking for a world of hurt.

Uber has contractors if the law says they are legally such.

#39 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-09-14 08:34 PM | Reply

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