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High-profile evangelical conservative Jerry Falwell Jr., a staunch Trump supporter and president of Liberty University, wants the FBI to investigate current and former university employees for ... forwarding emails.

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"A legal expert told the AP Falwell's claims were "totally insane.""

of course it is

that's todays "conservative" SOP

#1 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-09-13 12:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

That's funny - unless there's a confidentiality agreement.

The Politico article is pretty damning... Nothing to look at here - just another evangelical church leader, it just happens he is more wealthy than most.

#2 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-09-13 03:14 PM | Reply

Fallwell, Jr and his wife are like Jim and Tammy Baker without a Jessica Hahn. That we know of ..

#3 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-13 04:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Fallwell, Jr and his wife are like Jim and Tammy Baker without a Jessica Hahn. That we know of ..

#3 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

At least get the spelling of their names right. It's "Jim and Tammy Bakker". There are a lot of "Baker" families out there who won't appreciate your attempt to link them to these despicable people. Besides, "Bakker" is Dutch, while "Baker" is Anglo-Saxon, or for at least one family, it's what their ancestors decided to change the family name to, from the German "Becker".

OCU

#4 | Posted by OCUser at 2019-09-14 01:28 AM | Reply

High-profile evangelical conservative Jerry Falwell Jr., a staunch Trump supporter

LOL .... well then ... why didn't you say so ....

#5 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-14 01:35 AM | Reply

That's funny - unless there's a confidentiality agreement.

If its an employee, and it was confidential, I would be in trouble for forwarding it outside the company, probably get fired, and sued. .

But hey these Christians ... so F'em... right?

#6 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-14 01:38 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#4 | Posted by OCUser

Mistake acknowledged, correct spelling duly noted :)

#7 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-14 02:12 AM | Reply

Keep in mind.

This is not a reflection on Christianity.

This is what happens when Christianity and Capitalism are melded into one.

Christianity and politics don't blend well either.

The message of Jesus Christ is not the problem.

Greed for money and lust for power are.

#8 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-09-14 12:05 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 3

If Christians based their beliefs only on the things Jesus spoke about they wouldn't be considered Christians by today's born again Christians.

#9 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-14 04:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 3

This is not a reflection on Christianity.

It's funny how often that needs to be said.

But yet we're supposed to respect it and believe it anyway.

Here's a hint, Bill, something many people figure out when they're young-religion is a scam. It's a power play by the very people who heed Christ's message the least to target and fleece the gullible and idealistic.

To me, believing is akin to planting a crop that succeeds 5% of the time year after year after year because, gosh darnit, it's gonna work this time!

#10 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-14 04:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"This is not a reflection on Christianity."

Then what is it a reflection on?
Christ is not merely incidental to what Jerry Falwell Jr. is as a person. At least, not if you ask him, or look at his University.

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-14 05:03 PM | Reply

If its an employee, and it was confidential, I would be in trouble for forwarding it outside the company, probably get fired, and sued. .
But hey these Christians ... so F'em... right?

#6 | Posted by AndreaMackris

Yes you would be in trouble - but it's not criminal.

Who brought up "Christians"? They aren't anymore Christian than Osama. They're greedy pigs praying on people that they deceive into believing they are Christian. (Including close relatives of mine.) Go read the article, not that I didn't know this for a long time. So yes, F'em.

And you don't help your case with your back-handedness.

#12 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-09-14 05:44 PM | Reply

This is a reflection of conmen. Conmen lead most of the evangelical "churches" that I know of. They are there to fleece the "flock" and the flock believes whole-heartedly in the sermons and their conmen in the pulpit. But the flock can be greedy too - just look at the prosperity gospel and the followers of those creeps. I don't have a problem with actual Christians - it's Faux-Christians or Faux-religious leaders in general I have a problem with.

Sadly I have to agree with JPW - religions in general are a scam. They are about power and wealth for the leaders - with few exceptions. Every once in a while there is someone like Mother Teresa or better yet Thich Nhat Hanh. The Christian churches of today are FAR from what Christ preached.

#13 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-09-14 05:54 PM | Reply

"This is a reflection of conmen."

Can it be a reflection on the Christians who still support this Christian con-man too?

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-14 06:24 PM | Reply

So how many pool boys does this story end with?

#15 | Posted by Tor at 2019-09-14 06:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Jpw,

"It's funny how often that needs to be said."

From what has been written, it's always been that way from the very beginning.

There's never been a time when Christianity wasn't dealing with people vying for power within the Church.

Keeping the focus on Christ and His Message requires dedication and commitment.

The world is a never ending source of temptation not one of us can resist.

#16 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-09-14 07:12 PM | Reply

There are many Christian ministers out there who do their best to preach and follow the words of Jesus Christ. None of them are on TV weekly begging for money and none of them tell their flocks they should vote for a con man who will help further the church's agenda without following the words of Christ. My religion has been hijacked by shysters and con men. Jesus is weeping.

#17 | Posted by rukiddin at 2019-09-14 08:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

- My religion has been hijacked by shysters and con men. Jesus is weeping.

They were the same in his day. The religious leaders had become hypocrites and con artists more concerned about profits than prophets. He told them that they had "made void the word of God" by their traditions rather than following the tenets of their religion.

He didn't weep, though. Basically he tore them a new one.

www.biblegateway.com

#18 | Posted by Corky at 2019-09-14 08:40 PM | Reply

Please, I am not saying you need to believe in Jesus. That's up to you.
But I am writing this to show you the HYPOCRISY and the difference in Trump Christianity/Evangelicals and followers of Christ.

The latter do what (or try to the bible says. Action speaks louder than words is based on biblical principals. It's in the book of James.

The bible says in Matthew 7:21 - 23,

21 "Not everyone who says to me, Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 son that day many will say to me, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?' 23 And then will I declare to them, I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.'

Basically, actions speak louder than words. Basically, Jesus says, if you're My followers, you have faith in Me, you believe in Me, why don't you do what I have taught you? Why haven't you put into action what I taught you?

Luke 6:4 says, And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say

Again, Jesus asks, if you call Me your Lord, why do you act like you don't know Me?

And, lastly in Luke 13: 22-30, it says,

22Then Jesus traveled throughout the towns and villages, teaching as He made His way toward Jerusalem. 23"Lord," someone asked Him, "will only a few people be saved?"

Jesus answered, 24"Make every effort to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able. 25After the master of the house gets up and shuts the door, you will stand outside knocking and saying, Lord, open the door for us.'

But he will reply, I do not know where you are from.'

26Then you will say, We ate and drank with you, and you taught in our streets.'

27And he will answer, I tell you, I do not know where you are from. Depart from me, all you evildoers.'

28There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves are thrown out. 29People will come from east and west and north and south, and will recline at the table in the kingdom of God. 30And indeed, some who are last will be first, and some who are first will be last."

Basically, it says, "Jesus, didn't we chill with You chill with you at church, didn't we eat fried chicken and had a fish fry after Sunday services? Yeah, but you didn't follow anything I taught you. You're not My students. I don't know you."

Jesus taught be kind to strangers, fed the hungry... even take care of he home I gave you. Isn't Earth our home? Jesus told us to be environmentally conscious.

It's in the Bible.

He also taught that people will choose between two "gods," manna (money) or Him.

So, evangelicals, who are you following, MONEY or JESUS?

Sorry for being long in the tooth.

#19 | Posted by Goose_Boils at 2019-09-14 11:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#6 ... and it was confidential, ...

Operative point.

Were they marked as confidential? How did the confidentiality agreement read with respect to this?

And, more important, what are the current laws in the legal jurisdiction?

imo, the legal case here will be decided at some point in the future.

Until then, do you think we can discuss the most interesting look into the workings of the premiere Christian college....

#20 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-09-14 11:23 PM | Reply

"Sorry for being long in the tooth.
#19 | POSTED BY GOOSE_BOILS "

Never apologize for being old. It is an honor. As my brother in law says, "getting old ain't for -------."

#21 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-14 11:26 PM | Reply

If NDAs were signed and the emails belonged to the university, it would be illegal. The article seems to suggest that.

When I worked for Sprint and Transocean, we were forbidden to forward company emails to anyone outside of our email domain. I assumed this was a common practice to prevent corporate espionage.

#22 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-15 12:46 AM | Reply

The article suggests that an NDA was signed. Was it? Because that's the bottom line.

Well, no, actually the bottom line is if forwarding an email protected under a company's NDA policies is actually criminal?

Is there an actual federal or state criminal law against forwarding and NDA protected email?

If not, forwarding an email under a company's NDA protection only opens the employee to being fired and sued in civil court, which means bupkis. That means the "offense" isn't criminal and not enforceable by the cops.

Now, the whistle-blower act (Federal) protects an employee from any back lash from a company's administration. Even if a whistle blower gets fired, they automatically start collecting state unemployment benefits until the case is settled.

Go Google it. I'll wait.

You know what amazes me? If MAGAts knew the law well enough, they'd see how protected Americans really are and STFU about racism. All they'd have to do is GO TO A LIBRARY and READ!

#23 | Posted by Goose_Boils at 2019-09-15 02:14 AM | Reply

"You know what amazes me? If MAGAts knew the law well enough, they'd see how protected Americans really are and STFU about racism. All they'd have to do is GO TO A LIBRARY and READ!

#23 | POSTED BY GOOSE_BOILS AT 2019-09-15 02:14 AM |"

Odd

I saw nothing about MAGA in the story or racism. yet here you are raging about it. I see a mouth breathing, spittle spewing raging person posting in bold and all caps.

People can be strange.

#24 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-15 02:24 AM | Reply

Regardless how the emails were obtained,
the content is fairly damning if it's true.

Falwell Jr. may be in hot water.

Being a degreed accountant and a Christian, personally I have always questioned the nature of mixing religion and business. I've always felt there is a strong conflict of interest and must be treated carefully.

I guess for me it mostly started years ago when I had a job demoing a product which one day had me working at a Liberty school where I was shown a memo that had just recently been given to the teachers from Jerry Falwell Sr. requiring they give 10% of their salary to the church.

Something about that was unseemly and bothered me for years.

As the years went by I came to appreciate the fact Liberty provides an opportunity to obtain a quality education without the liberal indoctrination.

Now it does sound as if the college may be in need of....ummm....an attitude adjustment.

#25 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-09-15 09:25 PM | Reply

- I have always questioned the nature of mixing religion and business.

Which is almost any church today that owns property. "growing" the church requires money, space, buildings, maintenance, upkeep, not to mention paid, full-time employees. I learned in China what 'church' really looks like. There is no money. there are no 'paid' employees. there is no property or building. It's just born again followers of Christ getting together to read, pray, and worship in someones apartment. There's hardly any leadership at all. It's completely organic and Christ-led. Plus, it's all done in secret under the threat of arrest.

It changed my entire view. I no longer "attend church" in the states.

#26 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-09-15 10:33 PM | Reply

Sheep,

"I no longer "attend church" in the states."

I understand what you say but that's no excuse to not fellowship with other believers.

Jesus said where 2 or 3 gather in my name I am with them.

Others may need your encouragement.

#27 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-09-16 09:43 AM | Reply

This is not a reflection on Christianity.

This is what happens when Christianity and Capitalism are melded into one.

Christianity and politics don't blend well either.

The message of Jesus Christ is not the problem.

Greed for money and lust for power are.

#8 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-09-14 12:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

Christianity HAS ALWAYS BEEN MELDED into greed, profit and power.

It has ALWAYS been a tool used to control the population.

Selling the message of Jesus has always been used for corrupt purposes.

Every single Pope has stood at a gold and marble altar hold a gold cross wearing the finest linens living in a mansion while praying for an end to poverty and hunger.

#28 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-09-16 11:30 AM | Reply

Nixon,

There's opportunists everywhere.

Fact of life.

There's shady used car dealers all over but does that mean they all are or the product being sold is bad.

You're just looking for an excuse to insult Christianity and the leaders and churches who have used it for personal gain keep you from bothering to really learn anything.

There's plenty of churches and church leaders who aren't like that but the odds are pretty great you'll never know it.

Really...even you're an opportunist. You're using the fact Christianity has been used to manipulate (a lot!) to make a blanket statement about all of Christianity.

#29 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-09-16 03:00 PM | Reply

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