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Krystal Marie Ball is an American journalist, politician, and news talk anchor on The Hill's news program Rising with the Hill's Krystal Ball and Saagar Enjeti. She is also a businesswoman and certified public accountant.

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Finally they invite a progressive like Krystal Ball on to break up these lame ass Bill Maher - Bari Weiss AIPAC talking points.

Usually this stuff just goes unchallenged but finally they had a progressive on.

Good job Krystal!


Bill Maher used to have big brass balls, but he's really gone soft like a limp noodle -- which is a damn shame.

To a corporate company like HBO, Bill Maher is a far left radical -- but to ordinary people he's now sounding as out-of-touch as someone like Joe Scarborough. Maher was even on Morning Joe the other day as they both lamented about the state of America's political situation -- it was sickening to watch.

Bill Maher used to have people like Matt Taibbi on who would rail against Wall Street and speak for ordinary people, but now Maher watered himself down to the point where he has NY Times toadies like Barry Weiss who's really way over her head. Maher has even had George Will, and Will has never been right about anything.

I almost didn't watch his show, but knowing they had Krystal Ball on, I decided to give Maher a chance.

If this is what passes for political discourse for people who want to see Trump lose in 2020 ... if this is what it takes, to have Krystal Ball and Michael Moore doing their damndest to talk sense to Bill Maher and Fernand Amandi, then I can't see myself ever supporting a Democrat again.

#1 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-14 01:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Another great comment from the link ...

Krystal Ball destroyed everyone on that panel, reasserted Bernie as the only way. She made him the conversation and backed it up with facts/logic.

Michael Moore needs to also be more assertive about Bernie if he wants him to win. Moore is great but he needs to be tough, not be on the fence with things.

Krystal Ball made Moore realize he shouldn't be so tepid in his responses. Bernie 2020!


Exactly

#2 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-14 02:51 PM | Reply

Krystal Ball...

I feel like I should grab a stack of $1 bills if I meet her.

#3 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-14 02:57 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Completely underwhelmed.

Michael Steele was the most cogent, on point and correct of anybody there.

Oh and Michael Moore is a fat ------- idiot. I wish he would just go away.

#4 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-14 03:10 PM | Reply

I feel like I should grab a stack of $1 bills if I meet her.

#3 | POSTED BYJPW

Krystal Ball is quite the hottie -- but it's her brain and what she says that are her most attractive qualities.

And the ideas advocated by someone like Bernie, which KB happily points out are popular ... completely flummoxes Democrats like Fernand Amandi and Bill Maher, let alone the clueless Republican Michael Steele.

#5 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-14 03:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

She didn't really say much other than chirp Bernie a few times.

And Michael Steele mopped the floor with those idiots.

I'll say it again, the progressives are setting up another national vote win with EC loss scenario.

They're sitting there with self satisfied, smug looks on their face confident their backgammon strategy will win at chess.

#6 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-14 03:24 PM | Reply

Michael Steele was the most cogent, on point and correct of anybody there.

Oh and Michael Moore is a fat ------- idiot. I wish he would just go away.

#4 | POSTED BYJPW

Michael Steele is a Republican. Why should Democrats be like them?

When Democrats were at their best, from FDR to the 1970s, Republicans did all they could to be like Democrats.

This is what America needs again, a return to Republicans being like Democrats, when Democrats actually stood for working and middle-class Americans.

#7 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-14 03:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I'll say it again, the progressives are setting up another national vote win with EC loss scenario.

#6 | POSTED BYJPW

Establishment types, be it Bill Maher or Michael Steele, are not asking why Trump got elected in the first time.

It's a bottom vs top paradigm, poor vs rich. It's class warfare.

Yes, Trump conned his voters, but what's roiling American politics is wealth inequality.

And it makes me think that the reason Maher has softened so much is because HBO doesn't want the topic of class warfare on their show.

#8 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-14 03:37 PM | Reply

Michael Steele was the most cogent, on point and correct of anybody there.~ JPW
Michael Steele is a Republican.~PinchALoaf

We are done here ....

#9 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-14 04:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Oh and Michael Moore is a fat ------- idiot. I wish he would just go away.

#4 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-09-14 03:10 PM | REPLY

no ----, he's an embarrassment.

#10 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-09-14 04:14 PM | Reply

Michael Steele is a Republican. Why should Democrats be like them?

Jesus H dude. If you're this checked out and off in la la land, just stop espousing political opinions.

Everything Steele said was spot on. If it makes you feel better, look away from the screen and play the video super slow or super fast so you can't tell it's him.

I honestly never thought that somebody would be so resistant to the obvious reality that one has to play by EC rules to win the WH.

It's almost as if you want to lose just to feel that rush of maintaining a righteous cause. "But but but we won the popular vote!" *stamps feet*

#11 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-14 05:16 PM | Reply

This is what America needs again, a return to Republicans being like Democrats, when Democrats actually stood for working and middle-class Americans.

#7 | Posted by PinchALoaf

And you think that that's gonna happen by playing to the coasts and ignoring states with more moderate Dems? Seriously?

And don't bother posting polls showing this or that unless there's state by state information that's solid.

#12 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-14 05:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

2016 Bernie had the juice.. but Hillary had the DNC and the media.
They assumed she would capture the middle and the left would have no choice but to follow .. we got Trump
Start off in the middle and drift right for the general election doesn't attract the left .. just to have a conservative Democrats if you win..IMO

#13 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2019-09-14 08:24 PM | Reply

Jesus H dude. If you're this checked out and off in la la land, just stop espousing political opinions.

Everything Steele said was spot on. If it makes you feel better, look away from the screen and play the video super slow or super fast so you can't tell it's him.

I honestly never thought that somebody would be so resistant to the obvious reality that one has to play by EC rules to win the WH.

It's almost as if you want to lose just to feel that rush of maintaining a righteous cause. "But but but we won the popular vote!" *stamps feet*

#11 | POSTED BY JPW

Steele brags about being a Republican for 41 years, which coincides with the rise of corporate power and the diminished power of working and middle-class representation in both America's politics and in Congress -- no wonder Michael Steele hates people like Bernie Sanders.

You're the one who is out of touch.

Maybe you should talk to people who work for a living in areas of the country that were deindustrialized by policies that overwhelmingly favored corporate and big business interests at the expense of ordinary working Americans ...

All of course championed by Republicans like Michael Steel and "central Democrats" that you obviously think are really swell.

The above video shows a convergence of people like Michael Steele and Bill Maher advocating for the same thing, which is the economic status quo despite their own self-identified labels of "conservative" and "liberal" -- this is what class warfare looks like with ever mentioning the words "class warfare", and it's sickening to watch.

At least there's people like Krystal Ball who'll do their best to shovel crap against the tide.

#14 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-14 08:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"This is what America needs again, a return to Republicans being like Democrats, when Democrats actually stood for working and middle-class Americans."

And you think that that's gonna happen by playing to the coasts and ignoring states with more moderate Dems? Seriously?

And don't bother posting polls showing this or that unless there's state by state information that's solid.

#12 | POSTED BY JPW

Here's an example of Republicans trying to be like Democrats when Democrats were actual leaders in American politics ...

Republican Party Platform of 1956
www.presidency.ucsb.edu

We are proud of and shall continue our far-reaching and sound advances in matters of basic human need -- expansion of social security -- broadened coverage in unemployment insurance -- improved housing"and better health protection for all our people.

We are determined that our government remain warmly responsive to the urgent social and economic problems of our people.


Click on the link and you'll even see Republicans BRAGGING about ...

- How the GOP strengthened social security -- SS is prominently mentioned 6 times
- How Republicans willingly worked with Labor -- mentioned 5 times
- How Republicans supported unions and collective bargaining -- mentioned 4 times

It's these issues that make up the overwhelmingly majority of working and middle-class voters that ... oh, I don't know ... win elections.

You're the one who is out of touch.

#15 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-14 08:58 PM | Reply

JPW wants another sold-out neo-liberal Dem because they have done so well in the past just ask president Hillary

#16 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-09-14 09:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"The latest Univision News survey of Texas finds Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders (I) doing best in a hypothetical head-to-head match-up against Trump in Texas, leading the president 48 percent to 42 percent."

thehill.com

#17 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-09-14 09:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

JPW wants another sold-out neo-liberal Dem because they have done so well in the past just ask president Hillary

#16 | POSTED BYPUNCHYPOSSUM

While you and I never agreed on Hillary, we DEFINITELY agree on the symptoms ailing America that created Trump in the first place.

To see Maher, Steele, and Joe FREAKING Scarborough whining about Trump in exactly the same way is very telling.

#18 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-14 10:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Ex-MSNBC Host Krystal Ball Bashes Former Network for Russia Hype': Way Out From What Journalistic Facts Said'
www.mediaite.com

Maher had questions for each of his guests, and started with Ball, asking, "Do you feel networks like MSNBC ... help or hurt progressive causes?"

"Overall, I think MSNBC in the Trump era had done real damage to the left and I'll tell you why," Ball began her answer.

"Damage?" interjected a surprised Maher.

Ball explained. "I mean look, the Russia story and what happened there was important. But it was not all-important. And they went so far into the realm of conspiracy theorizing, I mean they had Jonathan Chait on.."

"Well it was a conspiracy," interrupted Maher.

" ... they had Jonathan Chait on to talk about how Trump may have been a Russian plant since 1987," Ball continued.

"He may have been," said Maher.

"This is ridiculous, okay. This is way out from what journalistic facts said, and it's to the exclusion of other stories that people actually care about," she said.

She listed a number of issues and said "they don't get focus when you only look at one thing."

"They built up expectations so much that when the report came out you were like, oh, it's no big deal. And it was a big deal," said Ball.

Fellow guestBari Weissadded "I agree, it was like anything short of a pee tape was nothing."


QFT

#19 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-15 01:05 AM | Reply

She's cute.

Never would have heard about her unless she said a few sentences Bernie Bros wanted to shout about out of context.

#20 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-09-15 01:27 AM | Reply

Steele brags about being a Republican for 41 years, which coincides with the rise of corporate power and the diminished power of working and middle-class representation in both America's politics and in Congress -- no wonder Michael Steele hates people like Bernie Sanders.

You're the one who is out of touch.

Drop your talking point, bumper sticker garbage, you idiot.

You're translating through a lens of repub vs dem only. And you're an idiotic liability for that reason.

Maybe you should talk to people who work for a living in areas of the country that were deindustrialized by policies that overwhelmingly favored corporate and big business interests at the expense of ordinary working Americans ...

Like those in the mid-west where I live...that voted for Trump in 2016?

The above video shows a convergence of people like Michael Steele and Bill Maher advocating for the same thing, which is the economic status quo despite their own self-identified labels of "conservative" and "liberal" -- this is what class warfare looks like with ever mentioning the words "class warfare", and it's sickening to watch.

That's funny...I saw Michael Steele telling the Dem show to win.

At least there's people like Krystal Ball who'll do their best to shovel crap against the tide.

Except she said absolutely nothing of worth you ------- idiot.

When Trump wins again, which he will, you'll have nobody but yourself to blame.

And I will be here to make sure you stew in it so long as you have the stupidity to show up here and take it.

JPW wants another sold-out neo-liberal Dem because they have done so well in the past just ask president Hillary

#16 | Posted by PunchyPossum

GFY you goatshart level troll. I've made my views of Hillary well known you 2 functional neuron dipschitt.

Seriously. You ------- self-righteous braindead ---- are going to hand Trump 4 more years.

And I'm going to have to quit this place because I'll have nothing but vitriol for Trump humpers for voting for that Orange Schittstain and for "Progressives" for being so ------ stupid they got beat AGAIN by that Orange Schittstain.

Damn, even W was smart enough to know that being fooled twice was bad.

#21 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-15 02:07 AM | Reply

To see Maher, Steele, and Joe FREAKING Scarborough whining about Trump in exactly the same way is very telling.

#18 | Posted by PinchALoaf

Yeah, it tells us that they know more about politics than you fools.

#22 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-15 02:09 AM | Reply

Drop your talking point, bumper sticker garbage, you idiot.
You're translating through a lens of repub vs dem only. And you're an idiotic liability for that reason.

Like those in the mid-west where I live...that voted for Trump in 2016?

That's funny...I saw Michael Steele telling the Dem show to win.

Except she said absolutely nothing of worth you ------- idiot.

When Trump wins again, which he will, you'll have nobody but yourself to blame.

And I will be here to make sure you stew in it so long as you have the stupidity to show up here and take it.

And I'm going to have to quit this place because I'll have nothing but vitriol for Trump humpers for voting for that Orange Schittstain and for "Progressives" for being so ------ stupid they got beat AGAIN by that Orange Schittstain.

Damn, even W was smart enough to know that being fooled twice was bad.

#21 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-09-15 02:07 AM

02:07 AM?

Just how drunk were you when you barfed that out allover your keyboard?

#23 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-15 10:48 AM | Reply

"To see Maher, Steele, and Joe FREAKING Scarborough whining about Trump in exactly the same way is very telling."

Yeah, it tells us that they know more about politics than you fools.

#22 | POSTED BY JPW

Thomas Frank agrees with me and disagrees with you ...

Thomas Frank: Meritocracy is driving America's Class Divide
drudge.com

You think think that your credentials, your tax bracket, and your idea of merit and professional status supersedes reality.

And you'd be wrong, dawg.

Democrats may very well win in 2020, even win with a candidate not named Bernie Sanders -- but unless Democrats actually advocate for working and middle-class voters in concrete terms, and get behind candidates who speak to those things, Dems will lose more often than they win.

You need to listen to people like Krystal Ball, Thomas Frank, Matt Taibbi, Jimmy Dore, etc.

#24 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-15 11:13 AM | Reply

"another sold-out neo-liberal Dem because they have done so well in the past just ask president Hillary"

Pretty dishonest talk there. There was only one big hrc supporter here. Why pretend otherwise?

#25 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-09-15 12:07 PM | Reply

Just how drunk were you when you barfed that out allover your keyboard?

#23 | Posted by PinchALoaf

So far, your arguments have been:

They agree with me

He's a Republican

You're "drunk" because it's late (look up time zones...)

He agrees with me

Compelling stuff, pinch.

#26 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-15 12:45 PM | Reply

Compelling stuff, pinch.

#26 | POSTED BYJPW

Thank you!

#27 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-15 01:28 PM | Reply

Here's another GREAT example of someone like Stephen Colbert who you'd think is a true Democrat and a true liberal and who would stand up against Republican warmongering and lies ...

Stephen Colbert - Guest Condoleezza Rice: We're Not Going To Abandon The Women Of Afghanistan

www.youtube.com
[10:32]

Diplomat, author and former Secretary of State, Condoleezza Rice, comments on Trump's surprise Taliban meeting and offers her insight into some key issues faced by the United States as it attempts to end the war in Afghanistan.

Who effing cares what this liar has to say?

And why is Colbert even allowing this stain of a human on his show?

People are so easily duped, they even clapped for her -- it's just ------- sickening.

Top you-tube comment from the link ...

Political Skeptic
5 days ago

Why are you inviting a god damn war criminal. Should be at the Hague.


Exactly -- here's another good you-tube comment ...

Sceptical Pickle
4 days ago

Remember when Colbert wasn't a hack for the establishment?

Good times


Democrats being like Republicans, and Republicans lying stealing pillaging -- no wonder American is in decline.

#28 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-15 03:44 PM | Reply

Nothing like attacking the left, eh Pinch? You pos.

#29 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-09-15 05:25 PM | Reply

Nothing like attacking the left, eh Pinch? You pos.

#29 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

Remember when Colbert wasn't a hack for the establishment? I do.

And when did the establishment become "the left"?

You should scroll thru those you-tube comments -- almost every single one of them are saying what I'm saying.

You're a clueless moron who happily accepts the BS handed to you.

#30 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-15 05:56 PM | Reply

Everyone is a hack. Got it.

#31 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-09-15 06:08 PM | Reply

"moron who happily accepts the BS handed to you."

Yummy taste of the Bernie regime.

Wow.

Who wouldn't want to bring douchenozzles like you into power? At least Trump is funny.

#32 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-09-15 06:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

At least Trump is funny.

#31 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

Trump is funny.

Which is why him being POTUS is so wrong.

I get it -- you're vapid, unthinking, and not a good citizen.

#33 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-15 06:27 PM | Reply

"I get it -- you're vapid, unthinking, and not a good citizen.

#33 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF "

I'll bet he knows what "no taxes" means -- two words when used together completely baffle you.

#34 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-15 06:34 PM | Reply

I'll bet he knows what "no taxes" means -- two words when used together completely baffle you.

#34 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Take me down to Goat-troll city
His lies are bold
Like big moob -------

#35 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-15 06:55 PM | Reply

"#35 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF"

Oh, look. My stalker has followed me to yet another thread.

Begone, stalker!

#36 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-15 06:59 PM | Reply

Oh, look. My stalker has followed me to yet another thread.
Begone, stalker!

#36 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

There once was a Goat from Nantucket
Whose dishonesty was obvious, what a bucket
His integrity lacked
Typical right-wing hack
A Snowflake Troll, go suck it

#37 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-15 07:25 PM | Reply

Here's a GREAT example of Democrats trying to be like Republicans, showing how Democrats can be such pathetic followers in American politics ...

Booed Democrats Invited To Join Republican Party
youtu.be
[11:50]

Delaney tried to say Medicare-for-all is bad policy with right-wing talking points and got booed off the stage.

Then there's Hickenlooper saying socialism is not the answer and got booed off the stage.

From FDR's time to the 1970s Democrats were real leaders in American politics, and Republicans did everything they could to be like Democrats, per the Republican Platform of 1956 in post # 15.

#38 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-15 07:25 PM | Reply

"#37 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF"

Begone, stalker!

#39 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-15 07:26 PM | Reply

Begone, stalker!

#39 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Take me down to Liar City
Where tongues snap off
And deserve no pity

#40 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-15 07:31 PM | Reply

"#40 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF "

OK, I appreciate the fact you adore me so much that you write poetry to me, but honestly, you're not my type.

Now begone, starry eyed stalker!

#41 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-15 07:33 PM | Reply

OK, I appreciate the fact you adore me so much that you write poetry to me, but honestly, you're not my type.
Now begone, starry eyed stalker!

#41 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Take me down to Barf-O City
Where Trolls like Goat
Are no way witty

#42 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-15 07:44 PM | Reply

What does Mike Lofgren think about Krystal Ball?

#43 | Posted by homerj at 2019-09-15 10:03 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Yeah, consult your Krystal Ball while you listen to the girl who made a fool of herself on the rogan podcast, and - why not - michael moore as well? Leftists have been watching too much "comedy news" infotainment.

#44 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-09-16 01:21 AM | Reply

The name games are getting so strong it's again hard to differentiate fact from fiction. Slipping into the parallel universe of leftism.

#45 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-09-16 01:23 AM | Reply

Yeah, consult your Krystal Ball while you listen to the girl who made a fool of herself on the rogan podcast

#44 | POSTED BY BERSERKONE

A search of "Krystal Ball" on Joe Rogan's podcast comes back empty.

So, you know, you're wrong.

#46 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-16 08:02 AM | Reply

What does Mike Lofgren think about Krystal Ball?

#43 | POSTED BY HOMERJ

Click here and watch and listen to Krystal Ball interview Mike Lofgren ... www.mikelofgren.net

7. The Cycle Krystal Ball August 16, 2012 on MSNBC Congressional insider on how our government is broken.

Run Time: 7:52


Have fun ~

#47 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-16 08:37 AM | Reply

This is what America needs again, a return to Republicans being like Democrats, when Democrats actually stood for working and middle-class Americans.

#7 | Posted by PinchALoaf

While your comment could be correct, it's not because of your ideology.

When there was such a thing as a southern Democrat, a Dixiecrat so to speak, that's what will win this election.

A progressive candidate is NOT going to win. I dont know how many times the electorate is going to have to present that to Democrats, but you arent going to win with ANY of who you guys are putting up now.

#48 | Posted by boaz at 2019-09-16 09:06 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Posted by PinchALoaf

Posted by jpw

Posted by BruceBanner

This is why democrats will lose.

Posted by goatman

And this why The Retort sucks.

#49 | Posted by Angrydad at 2019-09-16 04:33 PM | Reply

"And this why The Retort sucks.
#49 | POSTED BY ANGRYDAD "

Yet you keep hanging around. I'll bet you sniff your own farts, too.

#50 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-16 04:46 PM | Reply

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