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Tuesday, September 17, 2019

State prosecutors in Manhattan have subpoenaed President Trump's accounting firm to demand eight years of his personal and corporate tax returns, according to several people with knowledge of the matter. The subpoena opens a new front in a wide-ranging effort to obtain copies of the president's tax returns, which Mr. Trump initially said he would make public during the 2016 campaign but has since refused to disclose.

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I'll bet there are a lot of woodies in lib-land!

#1 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-16 03:51 PM | Reply

I'm sure Trump has instructed his accountants to fully comply immediately with the subpoena, because:

"If I decide to run for office, I'll produce my tax returns. Absolutely. I would love to do that."

--- Trump, May 2014

"I want to tell you right now I have no problem with giving my tax returns."

--- Trump, April 2015

#2 | Posted by anton at 2019-09-16 04:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Looks like war with Iran.

#3 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-16 04:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

As I have said repeatedly, only a valid criminal subpoena will get these returns, and this one will be very hard to quash.

He may be able to avoid it by providing bank records relating to payments to Cohen, but even that will be a steep hill to climb.

#4 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-16 05:29 PM | Reply

How old is that news? Give it a rest.

#5 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-09-16 05:30 PM | Reply

I'll bet there are a lot of woodies in lib-land!

#1 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-16 03:51 PM | Reply

That does seem to be something you obsess about.

#6 | Posted by Scotty at 2019-09-16 05:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

"That does seem to be something you obsess about.

#6 | POSTED BY SCOTTY "

Citation needed

#7 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-16 05:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I'm all for NY getting his tax returns if it's an effort to throw him in jail.

Politically though, i have a very hard time believing that, in the increasingly miniscule realm of "undecided voters," seeing his tax return is going to make a difference. Everyone knows Trump is an incredibly compromised person. Anyone voting for him doesn't care. Do people really believe seeing his 2014 1040 form is going to suddenly turn on a light bulb over anyone's head?

#8 | Posted by JOE at 2019-09-16 06:25 PM | Reply

Let me guess, he cheated on his taxes.

#9 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-09-16 06:29 PM | Reply

Let me guess, he (Trump) cheated on his taxes.

#9 | Posted by lee_the_agent a

He cheats at golf and he cheats on his wives. Of course he cheats on his taxes.

#10 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-17 08:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

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He cheats at golf and he cheats on his wives.

#10 | POSTED BY ZED

So, typical Republican.

#11 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-09-17 02:51 PM | Reply

Politically though, i have a very hard time believing that, in the increasingly miniscule realm of "undecided voters," seeing his tax return is going to make a difference. Everyone knows Trump is an incredibly compromised person. Anyone voting for him doesn't care. Do people really believe seeing his 2014 1040 form is going to suddenly turn on a light bulb over anyone's head?

#8 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2019-09-16 06:25 PM | FLAG:

LOL, this coming from one of the idiots that thinks there will be a line item in form 1040 "amount of money laundered with Russia."

#12 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-09-17 02:53 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"He cheats at golf and he cheats on his wives.
#10 | POSTED BY ZED
So, typical Republican.

#11 | POSTED BY GTBRITISHSKULL "

Bill Clinton is a Republican? Who knew?

Golf cheater

www.washingtonexaminer.com

I don't think I need a link to him cheating on his wife, do I? LOL

#13 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-17 02:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"But Obama's Netflix deal..."

-Trump (2019)

"We inherited quite a budget deficit from President Trump."

-Lisa Simpson (2000)

#14 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2019-09-17 02:57 PM | Reply

Politically though, i have a very hard time believing that, in the increasingly miniscule realm of "undecided voters," seeing his tax return is going to make a difference. Everyone knows Trump is an incredibly compromised person. Anyone voting for him doesn't care. Do people really believe seeing his 2014 1040 form is going to suddenly turn on a light bulb over anyone's head?

#8 | Posted by JOE

Elections are decided by very slim margins. Every thousand votes helps.

Proving trump is a tax cheat would shave off a few swing votes. Proving he's a liar would shave off a few more.

But his base will never leave him. The more of a crook he is, the more they love him.

#15 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-17 03:00 PM | Reply

I don't think I need a link to him cheating on his wife, do I? LOL

#13 | Posted by goatman

Was it with a porn star without a condom? Because then you wouldnt care.

#16 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-17 03:01 PM | Reply

Bill Clinton is a Republican? Who knew?
Golf cheater
www.washingtonexaminer.com
I don't think I need a link to him cheating on his wife, do I? LOL

#13 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2019-09-17 02:56 PM | FLAG:

Even the right can give him a pass on that based on who he's married to.

#17 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-09-17 03:01 PM | Reply

Goataboutism... what'll they think of next.

FishyP?

Whataboutism, also known as whataboutery, is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument,[1][2][3] which in the United States is particularly associated with Soviet and Russian propaganda.[4][5][6] When criticisms were leveled at the Soviet Union during the Cold War, the Soviet response would often be "What about..." followed by an event in the Western world.[7][8][9]

en.wikipedia.org

Soviet goats?

#18 | Posted by Corky at 2019-09-17 03:30 PM | Reply

"#18 | POSTED BY CORKY AT 2019-09-17 03:30 PM "

If you can't handle knowing your party engages in the same behavior, you should't bring up the other guy doing it. No one likes a hypocrite and we love to shove their hypocrisies in their face.

Deal with it. After all, you seemed OK with betweeen 2009 and 2017 when you and your ilk puked out "But, but, but Bush" whenever someone aimed criticism at your messiah.

#19 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-17 03:36 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Elections are decided by very slim margins. Every thousand votes helps.
Proving trump is a tax cheat would shave off a few swing votes. Proving he's a liar would shave off a few more.
But his base will never leave him. The more of a crook he is, the more they love him.

#15 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2019-09-17 03:00 PM | FLAG:

The idiots who are obsessed with seeing his tax returns are not swing voters they are Trump haters who think there is some magic line in the returns that will show he is taking illegal money from Russia. In other words they are people like Speak who have never had to do more than a 1040EZ form so they can get their $500 refund check.

#20 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-09-17 03:47 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Proving trump is a tax cheat would shave off a few swing votes. Proving he's a liar would shave off a few more.

Do you honestly believe there's anyone left who doesn't yet have a position on those items and will be swayed by a tax form they probably don't understand?

#21 | Posted by JOE at 2019-09-17 03:49 PM | Reply

20 | Posted by fishpaw

Donald Trump will be forced to tell us his finances so we can be forced to find him as pure as the driven snow.

I'm not at all sure why he resists this with such fanaticism.

#22 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-17 04:05 PM | Reply

Bill Clinton
#13 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Isn't the topic of the thread.

Create a thread if you want to discuss him.

You partisan shill.

#23 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-09-17 04:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

- your ilk puked out "But, but, but Bush" whenever someone aimed criticism at your messiah.

Never happened.... well, maybe on an oil rig in the in the little goat's room.

#24 | Posted by Corky at 2019-09-17 04:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"- your ilk puked out "But, but, but Bush" whenever someone aimed criticism at your messiah.

Never happened....
POSTED BY CORKY "

LOL

#25 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-17 05:40 PM | Reply

The idiots who are obsessed with seeing his tax returns
#20 | Posted by fishpaw

The idiots are the ones who voted for a con man who said he'd release his tax returns and has been hiding them ever since.

Why do you support this crook?

#26 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-17 05:55 PM | Reply

"The idiots are the ones who voted for a con man...

#26 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY '

Nope. The idiots are the ones who couldn't find a candidate to beat the self absorbed con man -- something that should have been a no brainer.

Say what you want about Trump, but just remember, your person couldn't beat him.

#27 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-17 05:58 PM | Reply

Nope. The idiots are the ones who couldn't find a candidate to beat the self absorbed con man -

#27 | Posted by goatman

Why do you spend all day every day defending him then? Just a big fan of con men?

#28 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-17 07:15 PM | Reply

"Why do you spend all day every day defending him then? Just a big fan of con men?

POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2019-09-17 07:15 PM |"

*sigh*

Take notes this time so I don't' have to keep repeating.

Citing facts =/= support or endorsement. i I can't stand Trump the person. He is an arrogant idiot. But that doesn't mean he can't do good things.

You can't stand me. Does that mean you don't recognized the good things I do volunteering at the VA and giving to charity? Well, in your case, these things are meaningless simply because you do not like me. But you are wrong. Bad people can do good thnings and if you were an objedtive person with an open and objective mind, you would know this. But you aren't, so you don't.

You are so overcome with GDS, that you fail to see good things Trump has done. I am not. Even though I can't stand him -- something I repeat quite often -- I can be objective and acknowledge the good as well as condemn the bad. THis is a concept alien to you because you do your masters' biddings and your masters will not allow you to be objective.

Now please write this down, print it out, save it to disk or something. Or at least stop asking it over and over and over and over.

Thanks!

#29 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-17 07:24 PM | Reply

Citing facts =/= support or endorsement.
#29 | Posted by goatman

repeating trump talking points and attacking those who are trying to bring him to justice = support and endorsement.

I dont care who you're nice to in your clan. Actual decent people dont just care about others who are like them. Actual decent people stand up for charitable treatment of EVERYONE even those that they'll never meet and are nothing like them. Actual decent people dont stand up for polluters who cause millions of innocent deaths. And actual decent people dont spend all day everyday repeating the messaging of a sociopathic con man leader. But I'm glad helping a few people who are just like you makes you feel like you have any virtue. Congrats.

#30 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-17 08:36 PM | Reply

The interesting years of Trump tax returns are those in the range 2002 to about 2008.

Those years are the times when citizen Trump seemed to be having significant financial issues and suddenly found an influx of funding to purchase properties.

Where did that funding come from?

Eric Trump Reportedly Bragged About Access to $100 Million in Russian Money (2017)
www.vanityfair.com

Are the years of tax returns being requested too narrow? Should the request go back further?


#31 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-09-17 10:43 PM | Reply

Good idea, while we are at it, let's subpoena Obama's school records and Clinton's medical records.

#32 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-09-18 07:27 AM | Reply

#32 I won't vote for Obama and Hillary in 2020 if you don't vote for Trump. Sound good?

#33 | Posted by JOE at 2019-09-18 08:11 AM | Reply

Good idea, while we are at it, let's subpoena Obama's school records and Clinton's medical records.

#32 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-09

If it will help get Donald Trump out of office and into jail I'm all for it.

#34 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-18 08:52 AM | Reply

Bill Clinton is a Republican? Who knew?

Golf cheater

I don't think I need a link to him cheating on his wife, do I? LOL

Show Goatman a moral swamp as big as the ocean and he'll always deflect to a pond. The scope of Barnum's unethical, immature and amoral actions far eclipses anything any Democrat or Republican President in recent times has ever done.

Bill Clinton's term also began in the 1990s. Whattaboutism is timeless to ConservaTrolls.

#35 | Posted by zarnon at 2019-09-18 10:37 AM | Reply

The article says 2011. Trump wasnt running for office then and Stormy wasnt 2011, right?

So, going that far back is something else, or its an overreach.

#36 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-09-18 10:46 AM | Reply

Good idea, while we are at it, let's subpoena Obama's school records and Clinton's medical records.

#32 | POSTED BY DOCNJO AT 2019-09-18 07:27 AM | FLAG:

Cool. Let's get Trump's, too. The school records from the man who gave us Covfefe, oringes, and hamberders -- as part of official White House statements -- ought to be a hoot.

#37 | Posted by anton at 2019-09-18 11:00 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Well, if this works, can we subpoena Obama's school financial records?

Since we are outing Presidents who are liars..

#38 | Posted by boaz at 2019-09-18 01:53 PM | Reply

Well, if this works, can we subpoena Obama's school financial records?
Since we are outing Presidents who are liars..

#38 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2019-09-18 01:53 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Sure. Can we also discuss the terms of all of Trump's confidentiality agreements openly with the other parties to those agreements?

#39 | Posted by anton at 2019-09-18 02:23 PM | Reply

#39,

Got nothing to do with Trump.

Stop obfuscating. Lets see Obama's financial records, lets see which country he said he was from to get financial aid.

#40 | Posted by boaz at 2019-09-18 03:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Lets see Obama's financial records, lets see which country he said he was from to get financial aid.
#40 | POSTED BY BOAZ

He's a private citizen. Get the money together and go after him.

Have fun with it.

#41 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-09-18 03:38 PM | Reply

Obfuscating?

This is about Trump's tax returns and you're deflecting with what you imagine might be in a former president's financial aid application.

That's comedy.

#42 | Posted by anton at 2019-09-18 06:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Conservatives,

Trump promised to release his tax returns before. He hasn't.

Why are you against him releasing them if required? Is there any reason other than Democrats have asked for them?

Seriously, I'm curious.

#43 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-09-18 06:52 PM | Reply

#43,

Same reason liberals dont want Obama's school records released. Except Obama's is more serious. I dont care how much Trump lied about his money. Obama was enrolled as a foreign student for student aid.

#44 | Posted by boaz at 2019-09-18 08:37 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Obama was enrolled as a foreign student for student aid.
#44 | POSTED BY BOAZ

I'm sure you can prove your statement.

#45 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-09-18 08:39 PM | Reply

Same reason liberals dont want Obama's school records released. Except Obama's is more serious. I dont care how much Trump lied about his money. Obama was enrolled as a foreign student for student aid.

Posted by boaz at 2019-09-18 08:37 PM | Reply

Lord you're dumber than a box full of hammers.

#46 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-09-18 08:39 PM | Reply

Obama was enrolled as a foreign student for student aid.

Posted by boaz at 2019-09-18 08:37 PM | Reply

I can honestly say this is the first time I've seen this particular allegation.

Do you have any sourcing to back up your claim, Boaz?

#47 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-09-18 08:44 PM | Reply

Damn Jeff, where you been?

Recently released records do not document that Barack Obama received college financial aid in the U.S. as a 'foreign student from Indonesia.'

"Obama has no business becoming President!"

Jeff

#48 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-18 09:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Tony,

Was that tongue-in-cheek?

I think it was and in that context I'm giving you a FF because it's funny.

#49 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-09-18 09:04 PM | Reply

Obama was enrolled as a foreign student for student aid.

#44 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2019-09-18 08:37 PM

It was a gd April's Fools joke that obviously found one....

The article is datelined "April 1, 2009" and tagged "AP," supposedly signifying it came from the Associated Press news agency. The date is a giveaway to the hoax (it's April Fool's Day), and the text of the article does not at all fit the standard Associated Press stylebook guidelines.

There was no such group as "Americans for Freedom of Information" at the time this article began circulating (although someone has since registered a site using that domain name); in fact, a web site for the then-faux organization was established to poke fun at those who believed it did:

Occidental has no record of a "Barry Soetoro" ever attending [Occidental], nor was there ever any such court order [requiring the school to turn over his transcripts], said Jim Tranquada, Occidental College's communications director, who personally answers the inquiries, demands and pleas of people looking for proof that the president is not who he claims to be.

Tranquada said: "Contemporary public documents, such as the 1979-80 freshman Lookbook' [a guide distributed to incoming freshman] published at the beginning of President Obama's first year at Occidental, list him as Barack Obama. All of the Occidental alumni I have spoken to from that era (1979-81) who knew him, knew him as Barry Obama."

#50 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-18 09:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Recently released records do not document that Barack Obama received college financial aid in the U.S. as a 'foreign student from Indonesia.'
#48 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

I congratulate your efforts Tony.

But facts aren't enough for partisan posters, like Boaz.

He knows Obama is a secret Muslim from Kenya who claimed to be from Indonesia in order to get financial aid.

Is so simple!

#51 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-09-18 09:09 PM | Reply

Was that tongue-in-cheek?

It was appropo. You claimed that someone who couldn't counter disinformation/smears/lies shouldn't become President.

Yet here we are with direct evidence someone 10 years later still believes something personally negative which never had any basis in fact.

It shows that voters are gullible when they're predisposed to believe something negative about someone they don't like. And just how many times do you think Boaz has spouted the same assertion he did above over the last 10 years and to how many people? I wish he would posit a guess in a moment of candor.

Think everyone he told it to actually knows the truth? How many people did they tell?

No one can control this from the ground up. It has to be stopped from the top down, by telling truth when others lie, even if the lie is to help you win an election. And it's most hardest when the one trying to get elected is the biggest purveyor of untruth and smears.

#52 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-18 09:14 PM | Reply

No one can control this from the ground up. It has to be stopped from the top down, by telling truth when others lie, even if the lie is to help you win an election. And it's most hardest when the one trying to get elected is the biggest purveyor of untruth and smears.

#52 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

I agree with that. But none of this is new. None of it.

If Democrats can't figure out how to combat negative ads and disinformation campaigns (and it's something they very effectively use to their own advantage) then they deserve to lose.

I don't like attack-ads and I don't like disinformation campaigning. But I'm realistic enough to understand that it's always been part of our political process.

I have no patience (not directing this at you) for snowflakes who bitch and whine that the other side is mean and doesn't fight fair. To those people I say - grow up. This is politics and it's blood sport.

#53 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-09-18 09:22 PM | Reply

Trump's three oldest are going to prison.

#54 | Posted by Tor at 2019-09-18 09:31 PM | Reply

Got nothing to do with Trump.

Stop obfuscating. Lets see Obama's financial records, lets see which country he said he was from to get financial aid.

#40 | POSTED BY BOAZ

What the?

Obama's records have nothing to do with Trump's 12,000 plus lies.

What would releasing Obama's financial records do for you? What do you hope to achieve? That Obama lied? That he wasn't eligible?? Obama's Presidency is over you can't take it back and you cannot erase him from history. So sorry!!

I am also so sorry you cannot handle the fact that we actually had a very successful black American as a successful black president in America. Too bad for you!! Maybe you should get some counseling so you can learn to deal with that before you hurt yourself or others in you derangement.

All politicians all stretch the truth to bolster their poll numbers. You know this. Especially in the campaigns. Normally they stop lying and making promises they know they cannot keep after elected. No President in history has ever been known to lie intentionally over 12,000 times to Americans.

12,000 lies and counting. Just let that sink in. Nothing this President says can be trusted. And now he wants to "lock and load" on Iran. For cash only, of course, no checks!

AFTER he was "elected" in one of the most controversial elections since Bush v Gore.

But we can all rest assured that there was NO COLLUSION because Trump definitely wouldn't lie about that!

#55 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-09-19 01:36 PM | Reply

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