Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Wednesday, September 18, 2019

On Wednesday, President Trump used his Twitter feed to share a video that falsely depicted Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) partying on the anniversary of 9/11. Yes, the president of the United States cheerfully trafficked in disinformation. Which raises a question: Are Democrats prepared for the tsunami of shamelessly propagandistic media manipulation and rank disinformation tactics that Trump and his network will unleash during the coming election?

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"Are Democrats Ready For the Coming Disinformation Tsunami?"

Hell the frack NO they're not! And the Retort's merry band of sycophantic Rtard lemmings will post each and every one of them with snide, unbridled joy at the thought of pwning the liberals with each and every lie, distortion and misrepresentation that they can throw into the mix.

Just like in 2016.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-18 07:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Are Democrats Ready For the Coming Disinformation Tsunami?"

Hell the frack NO they're not! And the Retort's merry band of sycophantic Rtard lemmings will post each and every one of them with snide, unbridled joy at the thought of pwning the liberals with each and every lie, distortion and misrepresentation that they can throw into the mix.

Just like in 2016.

#1 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

If they aren't ready for it they don't deserve the levers of power in this country.

Negative campaigning and disinformation has been around in this country since it was founded. They have no excuse for being caught flat-footed.

#2 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-09-18 07:42 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

If they aren't ready for it they don't deserve the levers of power in this country. Negative campaigning and disinformation has been around in this country since it was founded.

What an idiotic mind numbingly wrong statement.

Trump retweeted a tweet from one of his favorite conspiracy theorists " one whose work he has amplified before " that had pirated a video of Omar dancing on another occasion from another tweet. Trump declared: "The new face of the Democrat Party!"

[It] didn't concern Trump in the slightest, since it afforded him the opportunity to thrill his followers with a disgusting display of anti-Muslim bigotry " or so he seemed to believe, anyway, which doesn't speak too highly of Trump's view of his supporters.

What we're about to see in disinformation warfare is likely to make 2016 look tame. We're talking not just about another Russian disinformation effort designed to divide the country along racial and social lines, as the last one was designed to do. We're also talking about all manner of domestic disinformation, including troll armies, distorted videos like this one of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) slowed down to look drunk, and possibly even deepfakes.

Some of this will no doubt be spread by Trump himself.

So no Jeff, countering this inevitable blizzard of bs is not a disqualifier for governing because the grow of technology is something no political party can contain, much less control. And the best part is the Republicans already know that if Democrats ever try things like this and are exposed, they will not only be hung by the hypocritical right, they'll be tossed on their ear within the party immediately.

It should be a disqualifier that any real American political party would allow their President and his minions to traffic in such filth and dreck sans any meaningful rebuke or outrage from leadership and members that know better.

No President in history has been documented lying to the American people in the quantity, volume and maliciousness that Trump does. It's not the Democratic Party's fault that it doesn't know how to neutralize the army unleashed and cheered on by Dr. Frankenstein's creation amplified in the wild west of hardly regulated social media and the internet. The only ones who can effectively stop this are the Republicans that know when things aren't true, standing up and demanding better from the backers of their candidates.

#3 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-18 08:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

FFS, Tony.

This crap has existed since this country was founded.

If the Democrats can't figure out how to combat it then they really don't deserve to win.

No President in history has been documented lying to the American people in the quantity, volume and maliciousness that Trump does.

Pick up a history book. The modern era negative campaigns are benign compared with what went on for over the first century of this country's founding. The personal smears and character assassinations make Trump look like a piker in their sheer nastiness.

#4 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-09-18 08:43 PM | Reply

Tony, you lied on the Drudge less than 2 days ago.
drudge.com
I pointed it out then, but you ignore the truth.
When you grow some integrity and admit your lies and correct them, perhaps people might pay heed to your worries about other liars.

#5 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-09-18 08:50 PM | Reply

What can they do? Start releasing videos lying about Trump? I suppose a coherent and steadily increasing series of unflattering videos about trump that are true would be pretty easy to do. But I don't think it will hit where it needs. Nor will all those fact checker sites, because people with biases just assume the fact checkers are lying. And it's not about truth anyway, it's about emotion. There is no defense. And the only offense is to put out videos and stories that confuse and dissociate trump voters - like saying how Trump is a communist, or he will take away guns. Also just showing him as ugly, incoherent, weak and unhealthy. It also has to play on the spectacle of Trump losing and hint to how entertaining that will be - part of the reason he won was that people like something interesting to happen and Hillary was boring,

#6 | Posted by Snowfake at 2019-09-18 08:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"If they aren't ready for it they don't deserve the levers of power in this country."

Was Kavanaugh ready for it?
Does he deserve the power he has?

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-18 09:00 PM | Reply

#7 Obviously Kavanaugh weathered it. He's sitting on the bench.

Also, I'm talking about political campaigns not judicial nominations and cabinet posts.

But then, you don't have a good relationship with meaningful equivalencies.

#8 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-09-18 09:09 PM | Reply

The government has changed. It's nothing like it was. We're having to deal with an entirely new paradigm. The old ways won't work. It's apparent.

#9 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-09-18 09:12 PM | Reply

You can't fight fantasy.

#10 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2019-09-18 09:21 PM | Reply

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No need for posting that. The lady defrauded the US government by marrying her own brother to expedite her visa. She just got busted on this again by revealing her Dad's actual name. But, the FBI is a clown show little better than the gang in Reno 911 so I don't expect anything to happen. But, given the 28 arrests in her district over racially targeted robberies a few days ago, seems like she has enough on her plate.

#11 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-18 09:22 PM | Reply

Speaking of disinformation tsunami:

The lady defrauded the US government by marrying her own brother to expedite her visa. She just got busted on this again by revealing her Dad's actual name. But, the FBI is a clown show little better than the gang in Reno 911 so I don't expect anything to happen. But, given the 28 arrests in her district over racially targeted robberies a few days ago, seems like she has enough on her plate.
#11 | POSTED BY IRAGOLDBERG

This is the (R)tardation of the right.

They're all liars.

#12 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-09-18 09:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Kavanaugh weathered it. He's sitting on the bench.
#8 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Kavanaugh could have raped Ford during his investigation hearing, and he'd still be sitting on the bench.

Republicans have zero ethics or morals. Their only goal is to pwn liberals.

It's a fascinating way to run a country, into the ground.

#13 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-09-18 09:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"They're all liars.

POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

Actually, they're not.

Do you really think broad brushing makes you look cool, makes a valid point, or what?

#14 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-18 09:32 PM | Reply

We've been dealing with one for years, so I'd say, "Yes. We are ready."

#15 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-18 09:33 PM | Reply

#12

I'm just sitting here, shaking my head wondering how a non-impaired person could be so blindingly gullible and dense.

There isn't enough time in the day nor money in the bank to effectively counter the amount of disinformation already pumped into the conservative news stream, yet the DNC and presidential candidates should be disqualified if they can't make Ira and his ilk accept the truth?

ROFLMBAO!!!!

#16 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-18 09:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

There isn't enough time in the day nor money in the bank to effectively counter the amount of disinformation already pumped into the conservative news stream, yet the DNC and presidential candidates should be disqualified if they can't make Ira and his ilk accept the truth?

ROFLMBAO!!!!

#16 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

If that was directed at me - I NEVER said they should be disqualified. What I said was if they can't combat it they deserve to lose.

#17 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-09-18 09:36 PM | Reply

"Kavanaugh could have raped Ford during his investigation hearing, and he'd still be sitting on the bench.
#13 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

Did you miss the part in the new book that Ford's best friend and supposed witness at the time Leland Keyser said that Ford's story does not make any sense it was something that she would remember - or that Ford's friends tried to blackmail her into changing her story? Or how about Ford's dad congratulating Kavanaugh's dad on his son's appointment? How do you explain that?

#18 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-18 09:37 PM | Reply

#16 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

Can you explain how her 1st husband's name is identical to her father's given the patriarchal naming convention used by Somali Muslims? Omar is now claiming the name she used for his was his 'nickname' only - but, her sister's marriage license uses this 'nickname' as his name. Strange, huh?

Why are democrats more concerned with carrying water for loonie toons than the truth? You remind me of Bush supporting Neocons. No facts matter to you.

Also, did the 28 arrests in Omar's district a few days ago not happen? Were 100% of the arrested minorities and 100% of the victims white? Again, please explain your alternate "facts"...

#19 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-18 09:41 PM | Reply

#14 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Oh look. The biggest liar wants to lecture me about something.

Thanks, but I've had enough troll for one day.

Begone, liar.

#20 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-09-18 09:41 PM | Reply

"#20 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

Oh, look. My stalker is back and as usual cannot rebut my post but childish name calling.

'When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers.'

Socrates

Better luck next time, clownshack!

#21 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-18 09:44 PM | Reply

#18/19 | POSTED BY DISINFORMATION TSUNAMI

I have no time to feed trolls.

Take your bullshht and hit the road.

#22 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-09-18 09:44 PM | Reply

"I have no time to feed trolls.
Take your bullshht and hit the road.

#22 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

Oh, look. My stalker doubles down and still cannot rebut my post

'When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers.'

Socrates

Better luck next time, clownshack!

#23 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-18 09:46 PM | Reply

Oh, look. My stalker is back
#21 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Don't address a post to me, and I won't respond.

It's just that simple.

Bye Troll.

#24 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-09-18 09:47 PM | Reply

Can you explain how...

Please learn how to use Google, especially Snopes:

The Minneapolis Star Tribune reported just before the 2018 midterm elections that:

During an interview, Omar showed a reporter cellphone photos of documents from her family's U.S. entry in 1995 after fleeing Somalia's civil war. She declined to provide copies of the papers, which included refugee resettlement approval forms and identification cards, but they appeared to list her father, siblings and Omar by order of birth, with Omar as the youngest of seven children. No one named Ahmed Nur Said Elmi, who is three years younger than Omar, could be seen listed in the documents.

"For someone like me, who left a war-torn country at the age of 8, who got refugee status to come to America, where in the world am I finding a sibling 15 years, 20 years later to seek to do what people accuse me of?" Omar said.

Given that Omar and her siblings all came to live in the U.S. under identical circumstances as refugees, and that Omar herself became a naturalized U.S. citizen while still a minor, how did one of her siblings end up with such a radically different immigration status that she would have needed to marry him in order to facilitate his U.S. residency application?

Also, if Ahmed Elmi were truly Omar's brother, why would he have needed to take the drastic step of marrying her in order to secure a path to U.S. citizenship? U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) policies qualify immigrants as eligible to apply for permanent residency status (and later become naturalized citizens) if they are the "spouse of a U.S. citizen" or the "brother or sister of a U.S. citizen." Why would Omar commit a federal crime and risk a prison sentence (and possibly her own citizenship status) in order to provide her brother with the opportunity to apply for something he would already have been eligible to seek?

www.snopes.com

Anything else?

#25 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-18 09:48 PM | Reply

"Don't address a post to me, and I won't respond.
It's just that simple.
Bye Troll.

POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

I love it when you respond. I don't like to engage in name calling, so I let people show their true colors when they engage in it and even more when they stalke me.

So respond away, stalker! And be sure to use a lot of sophomoric name calling.

#26 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-18 09:50 PM | Reply

The worst part about most of this disinformation is that it breaks down on some simple molecular level that even skeptics should question.

Like this: (If) Ahmed Elmi were truly Omar's brother, why would he have needed to take the drastic step of marrying her in order to secure a path to U.S. citizenship? U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) policies qualify immigrants as eligible to apply for permanent residency status (and later become naturalized citizens) if they are the "spouse of a U.S. citizen" or the "brother or sister of a U.S. citizen."

Why would Omar commit a federal crime and risk a prison sentence (and possibly her own citizenship status) in order to provide her brother with the opportunity to apply for something he would already have been eligible to seek?

#27 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-18 09:52 PM | Reply

"Omar showed a reporter cellphone photos of documents..."
#25 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

Case closed! hahaha

#28 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-09-18 09:54 PM | Reply

"Also, if Ahmed Elmi were truly Omar's brother, why would he have needed to take the drastic step of marrying her in order to secure a path to U.S. citizenship?
#25 | POSTED BY TONYROMA"

Maybe because you do not understand the argument. It was not to secure a path - it was to expedite the path as marriage takes months and family connections take up to 12 years.

Again - it is her own home paper that is saying that she married her brother to defraud the US government and - believe it or not - NEW information has come out since 2018 - specifically, her sister's marriage license. You are playing a losing hand here to back someone that really is a thorn in the side of your party. Like I said, given the FBI is a clown show, I don't expect this to go anywhere and her plate will be full trying to defend the racially motivate robbery spree that was just busted.

#29 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-18 09:57 PM | Reply

#27 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

Answered in #29 - again, the issue is that you don't understand the argument.

#30 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-18 09:58 PM | Reply

"Are Democrats prepared for the tsunami of shamelessly propagandistic media manipulation and rank disinformation tactics that Trump and his network will unleash during the coming election?"

That's probably the most blatant blame-shift I've ever read. Dems and MSM have been mass-producing hysterical sky-is-falling bombshell FAKE NEWS since Trump won the nomination. And here comes Tony, pretending it never happened.

I don't know who you stole those brass balls from, but you should return them in shame to their rightful owner.

#31 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-09-18 10:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Also, I'm talking about political campaigns not judicial nominations and cabinet posts."

So that's it, if someone can't survive the propaganda onslaught, they don't deserve to be President.
It's strange how you think America wins when an American candidate succumbs to foreign propaganda.

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-18 10:00 PM | Reply

"Are Democrats prepared for the tsunami of shamelessly propagandistic media manipulation and rank disinformation tactics that Trump and his network will unleash during the coming election?"

That's probably the most blatant blame-shift I've ever read. Dems and MSM have been mass-producing hysterical sky-is-falling bombshell FAKE NEWS since Trump won the nomination. And here comes Tony, pretending it never happened.

I don't know who you stole those brass balls from, but you should return them in shame to their rightful owner.

#31 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

BOOM!!!!!

Nailed it!

#33 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-09-18 10:01 PM | Reply

So that's it, if someone can't survive the propaganda onslaught, they don't deserve to be President.
It's strange how you think America wins when an American candidate succumbs to foreign propaganda.

#32 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

I'm acknowledging political reality.

When you decide to grow up and discuss politics as it actually exists, I'm here. Until then....

#34 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-09-18 10:04 PM | Reply

Don't how they could match the tsunami of conspiracy hackery, baseless speculation and rumor-mongering and partisan hit jobs from Tony Truther in the last 3 years.

#35 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-18 10:06 PM | Reply

"I'm acknowledging political reality."

No, you're endorsing it.
You said they don't deserve.
That's your endorsement: What someone deserves, or doesn't deserve.

Own up.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-18 10:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

be sure to use a lot of sophomoric name calling.
#26 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Your obsession with me is aggressive.

You're clearly a masochist.

#37 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-09-18 10:08 PM | Reply

"When you decide to grow up and discuss politics as it actually exists, I'm here. Until then...."

The way it politics actually exists is like thisL
You and millions of other right-winters are okay if a Russian psy-op is what sunk Hillary Clinton.

Own up.

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-18 10:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#36 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Grow up.

I'm not going to address a straw man.

#39 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-09-18 10:09 PM | Reply

Don't how they could match the tsunami of conspiracy hackery, baseless speculation and rumor-mongering and partisan hit jobs from Tony Truther in the last 3 years.
#35 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

He's still got five years left to catch up to birtherism and Benghazism.

Face it Nulli.

You're fine with disinformation and misinformation, when it supports Trump.

#40 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-09-18 10:10 PM | Reply

"I'm not going to address a straw man."

There's no straw man.
There's just an ugly reality about you, being okay with foreign influence in our politics.

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-18 10:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"If they aren't ready for it they don't deserve the levers of power in this country."

^
That's you, JeffJ, saying Hillary Clinton deserved to lose because she couldn't fend off the Russian psyops machine.
Own what you believe.

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-18 10:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Maybe because you do not understand the argument. It was not to secure a path - it was to expedite the path as marriage takes months and family connections take up to 12 years.

Dude, seek mental help. Let me speak slowly: The entire Omar family immigrated AT THE SAME TIME IN 1995. They all received the same status. They ALL had the opportunity to become US citizens! No matter what the date, her real brother did not need her to become a naturalized citizen because he already had that right himself!

And lastly,

Refugee resettlement approval forms and identification cards... list her father, siblings and Omar by order of birth, with Omar as the youngest of seven children. No one named Ahmed Nur Said Elmi, who is three years younger than Omar, could be seen listed in the documents.
The papers say Ilhan was the youngest child and Elmi is 3 years younger than her. Now explain again how Elmi is her blood brother when he didn't come from Somalia?

Do you need it spelled out to you?

#43 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-18 10:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Your obsession with me is aggressive.
You're clearly a masochist.

#37 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

Works for me. I presume that's the response you are looking for. You got it. Now quit stalking me, please.

Thanks!

#44 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-18 10:13 PM | Reply

Throw up some links Ira and I'll find debunking material for all of them. But I want to know these rumors so that I can expect and try to educate other people and tell them where to go to find out the actual truth. I believe that people can figure things out on their own if they're willing to consider all the information not just that they want to believe.

That's probably why you never link-attribute the crap you post.

#45 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-18 10:17 PM | Reply

Do you need it spelled out to you?
#43 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

Tony,

You're assuming he is here for anything other than spreading misinformation.

IRA has literally spewed Bullshht since his first day on the DR.

He is a shht tsunami.

#46 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-09-18 10:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Dude, seek mental help. Let me speak slowly: The entire Omar family immigrated AT THE SAME TIME IN 1995."

No, they did not. When trying to flee as refugees, people use whatever story they can to get the hell out. I dated a Vietnamese girl once that used her uncle as her father to immigrate. Because the areas are war torn and the records were near worthless even in peacetime, you faith in her story is naive at the least.

"They ALL had the opportunity to become US citizens!"

It is called spreading the risk. Pretty much every country has a form of chain migration. So, the have the brother apply to UK as a fall back in case US status is rejected. Again, have you never lived in/interacted with an immigrant community? Half the documents are total BS.

"No matter what the date, her real brother did not need her to become a naturalized citizen because he already had that right himself!"

Via chain migration - a process that takes up to 12 years...as opposed to marriage which is done in under 6 months. Again, explain the name, explain the multiple marriages, explain the tax filings. I know as a law abiding person, you think everyone else follows the law as well - you are dead wrong.

"No one named Ahmed Nur Said Elmi, who is three years younger than Omar, could be seen listed in the documents."

Of course not - that is the spreading the risk. He can't file for a refugee in multiple countries. He was the fall back plan.

"The papers say Ilhan was the youngest child and Elmi is 3 years younger than her. Now explain again how Elmi is her blood brother when he didn't come from Somalia?"

Her brother did come from Somalia - to the UK. Again, can you at least get some basic information rather than just taking 2018 info from Snopes as the Gospel truth?

#47 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-18 10:20 PM | Reply

Dude, seek mental help. Let me speak slowly: The entire Omar family immigrated AT THE SAME TIME IN 1995. They all received the same status. They ALL had the opportunity to become US citizens! No matter what the date, her real brother did not need her to become a naturalized citizen because he already had that right himself!

And lastly,

Refugee resettlement approval forms and identification cards... list her father, siblings and Omar by order of birth, with Omar as the youngest of seven children. No one named Ahmed Nur Said Elmi, who is three years younger than Omar, could be seen listed in the documents.
The papers say Ilhan was the youngest child and Elmi is 3 years younger than her. Now explain again how Elmi is her blood brother when he didn't come from Somalia?
Do you need it spelled out to you?

#43 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

May I suggest pictures as a way to get thru to him as the written word isn't working.

#48 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-09-18 10:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Tony,

I find the whole Omar married her brother thing to be amusing, and somewhat compelling, but I don't care about it either way.

If you really are interested in getting into the meat of it - you tend to gravitate toward conspiracy theories so I'm presuming yes - go to Powerline and search Scott Johnson. He's written about it extensively. I've read a little bit of it for the sake of amusement. If you want to get into the nitty-gritty detailed weeds - that is probably your best source.

#49 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-09-18 10:22 PM | Reply

"That's probably why you never link-attribute the crap you post.
#45 | POSTED BY TONYROMA "

Is this a joke? I am the only one on this site that ever links to anything. Dems can link to 'feelings' other than copy and paste Snopes, which operates on feelings and not facts.

www.youtube.com

#50 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-18 10:23 PM | Reply

Her brother did come from Somalia - to the UK.

Would somebody call medics to take patient Ira back to his padded cell. Dude doesn't even realize that his argument is with math and not me FFS.

Ilhan Omar was born in 1982, and her family immigrated in 1995. Depending on the date she was 12 or 13 at the time. Elmi is THREE YEARS YOUNGER THAN ILHAN!!!!! He would have been 9 or 10 when he separated from the family!

Care to explain how a 10 year old got from Somalia to the U.K. and raised himself?

#51 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-18 10:27 PM | Reply

And Mr. Omar brought 7 kids as refugees to America, but he just couldn't deal with that pesky 8th?

Stay away from sharp objects with the laser-focused mind Ira.

Could someone else take a stab? Snopes has nothing to do with the documented ages of the Omar children, it's public record.

Do some math.

#52 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-18 10:30 PM | Reply

#47 | POSTED BY IRAGOLDBERG

You'll notice, in his entire post, IRA doesn't provide any citations or quotes.

The entire post is a giant misinformation tsunami.

Thanks for the thread Tony.

You completely blew that troll out of the swamp.

#53 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-09-18 10:33 PM | Reply

"Care to explain how a 10 year old got from Somalia to the U.K. and raised himself?
#51 | POSTED BY TONYROMA "

Where is the math problem? He was born in Somalia and immigrated to the UK as a refugee with another family - he didn't raise himself. These are tightly intertwined familial groups and again, they did this to spread the risk in case the refugee application was rejected.

I ask again - have you ever lived with/worked with an immigrant community? Obviously not.

#54 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-18 10:37 PM | Reply

He was born in Somalia and immigrated to the UK as a refugee with another family - he didn't raise himself.

Ira, I understand that you believe an invented series of events that seems to make sense, but you HAVE TO PRODUCE RECORDS not just theories. Again, why would widower Mr. Omar have the wherewithal to get 7 kids to America and not the little one? And have you checked when Mrs. Omar passed, was it even possible she could have birthed another child? And what about his birth records or immigration record in both Somalia and England. They exist somewhere, do they back up your theory?

I'm giving proof of your story's implausibility, the biggest being that you have no confirming documentary proof other than inferences and could have beens and she saids.

#55 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-18 10:46 PM | Reply

"You'll notice, in his entire post, IRA doesn't provide any citations or quotes.
#53 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2019-09-18 10:33 PM"

On a whim, I went to your user page here. I went through the first 4 web pages on it, about 100 posts.

I did not see any citations and the only four quotes I saw were other users' posts.

Typical liberal "do as I say, not as I do" attitude.

You're a trip, man.

drudge.com

#56 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-18 10:47 PM | Reply

Take a deep breath and relax, Tony.

Maybe have some cherry-juice with just a titch of vodka mixed in to both relax and keep those crystals at bay!

:-)

#57 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-09-18 10:48 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#56 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

You almost went thirty minutes without bringing me up.

Try again.

We'll break you of your ClownShack addiction.

#58 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-09-18 10:51 PM | Reply

"You almost went thirty minutes without bringing me up.
Try again.
We'll break you of your ClownShack addiction.

#58 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

Deflection noted.

So you have nothing to say about your hypocrisy?

#59 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-18 10:53 PM | Reply

Thanks for the thread Tony.

You completely blew that troll out of the swamp.

#53 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2019-09-18 10:33 PM |

I'm just absolutely gobsmacked that none of the conservatives here can discern through their mockery of the subject (which is really psy/ops) that posters on the same thread are giving A-Z examples as to why no one can keep up with all the bs that filters through the medias and that the truth is not any type of viable defense.

#60 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-18 10:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#57 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

This is precisely what I'm talking about Jeff. We need you to tell Ira that what he's saying doesn't make sense on multiple levels because the narrative is incoherent, not that the Omar family might not conspire to do something like that. I'm making no judgment about her character or lack thereof. The story doesn't make sense unless he has way more details that support something so illogical and unsupported.

Then maybe he'll go back and look at it again more critically.

#61 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-18 10:57 PM | Reply

#59 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Mmmmm..... obsession!

#62 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-09-18 10:57 PM | Reply

If they aren't ready for it they don't deserve the levers of power in this country.

Negative campaigning and disinformation has been around in this country since it was founded. They have no excuse for being caught flat-footed.

#2 | Posted by JeffJ

Jesus Christ that's pathetic.

#63 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-18 10:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

#60

Tony.

I wish it weren't as simple as, their team is winning so they couldn't care less.

But that's it.

Sheeple, Nulli, Andrea, Goat... they're not concerned with the truth. They're just elated Trump is in the White House pissing off liberals.

There have been so many threads immediately deflected and turned into a troll fest by these very posters that all actual discussion on any topic ends within the first five posts of nearly every thread.

#64 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-09-18 11:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"#59 | POSTED BY GOATMAN
Mmmmm..... obsession!

#62 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

Yes, I guess you could say I'm obsessed with calling out hypocrites like you.

#65 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-18 11:02 PM | Reply

"Sheeple, Nulli, Andrea, Goat...
#64 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

Obsessed.

#66 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-18 11:04 PM | Reply

And have you checked when Mrs. Omar passed, was it even possible she could have birthed another child?

How prescient of me: Her mother, Fadhuma Abukar Haji Hussein, a Benadiri (a community of partial Yemeni descent), died when Ilhan was two.

Ahmed Nur Said Elmi is THREE YEARS YOUNGER than Ilhan.

Are we done now, or am I still lacking the "new" information?

Gotta be Republican Math

#67 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-18 11:05 PM | Reply

"I'm giving proof of your story's implausibility, the biggest being that you have no confirming documentary proof other than inferences and could have beens and she saids.
#55 | POSTED BY TONYROMA "

More implausible than the fact that she won't reveal her father's name and her deleting her twitter where she calls him his 'nickname' that matches that of the guy every has accused of being her brother? You know, the same 'nickname' her father used on her sister's marriage certificate...not to mention the tax filing irregularities with her 2nd husband as well as the fact that she was co-habituating with both at the same time. I look forward to her divorce proceedings with husband #2 - I bet Omar does not contest anything to keep the lid on the truth. Facts look like she committed a crime - I hope the FBI dedicated 1/1,000,000 as much effort to finding the truth of it as they did to Kavanaugh's fake rape allegations.

#68 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-18 11:05 PM | Reply

#67 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

I know this is a strange concept for you - but it is called a half-brother. This is actual blood relation - unlike a quarter-brother. Again, how sheltered were you growing up?

#69 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-18 11:07 PM | Reply

#64

On another thread - today - Boaz was swearing that Obama registered as a foreign student at Occidental - a story posted as an April Fools Day prank in 2009. How many people do you think he's exposed that to in the last 10 years, and how many of his friends probably believe it? And how many people did they share it with? The possibilities are exponentially mind boggling.

We can't fight this crap all day, every day. And that's precisely when it's created, every day.

#70 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-18 11:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

There have been so many threads immediately deflected and turned into a troll fest by these very posters that all actual discussion on any topic ends within the first five posts of nearly every thread.

#64 | Posted by ClownShack

I've been told that the problem lies with me when I call them out and treat them appropriately for this very behavior.

#71 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-18 11:14 PM | Reply

He is a shht tsunami.
#46 | Posted by ClownShack a

"Can we nuke him?"

-Illegitimate President Bucket of ----

#72 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-09-18 11:14 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

#65 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Dance my puppet! Dance!!

#73 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-09-18 11:15 PM | Reply

#68

Can you put the mother and father together Ira? Any proof that Mr. Omar and Elmi's mother were ever in the same place in 1985?

These things aren't hard and you have no proof.

Math, Ira, math.

#74 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-18 11:15 PM | Reply

"We can't fight this crap all day, every day. And that's precisely when it's created, every day.

#70 | POSTED BY TONYROMA "

Boaz and an April Fool's joke can hardly be compared to CNN and their fake news history about Trump.

#75 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-18 11:16 PM | Reply

Omar is a disgusting, bigoted person that may have married her brother to defraud the US government. There is literally no reason for anyone to defend her other than for pure political reasons.

As a Trump supporter - I give you this advice. You don't need to defend everyone in your party just because of the letter after their name. The GOP is full of disgusting people that I don't support. Decent people with screwed up ideology - like Romney, war mongers like the McCain and Lindsey Graham, child molesters like Hastert, and just garbage human beings like Bolton or Cheney (the whole deplorable family).

It is okay to break with party lines to call out the horrible people in your party - it makes you a stronger party and morally right. Why do the Dems lack this ability? You have this reflexive need to defend your party regardless of how horrible that person is.

Let's play a game:

W. Bush is an incompetent, drug abusing, AWOL POS

Now, pick one of the D's and do the same. Try it. If you are struggling for a name, try Ted Kennedy.

#76 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-18 11:16 PM | Reply

Math, Ira, math.

POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2019-09-18 11:15 PM | REPLY

The only math Ira knows is mathurbation.

#77 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-09-18 11:18 PM | Reply

"#65 | POSTED BY GOATMAN
Dance my puppet! Dance!!

#73 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

Keep up the hypocrisies and I'll continue to rub your face in them, or what you seem to call "dancing". I've no problem with that.

#78 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-18 11:18 PM | Reply

#74 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

yeah, that place is called Somalia. It is on their refugee status applications.

As for Obama and foreign student status:

It is beyond debate that he has spent millions of dollars to hide his public records. So, the question is why? I don't have an answer to that questions - maybe he claimed to be a foreign student, maybe his grades were crap (seems unlikely given his transfer schools). We don't know other than the fact that he doesn't want them disclosed. I think the same fights occurred over Hillary's speech contents and senior thesis. Why fight their release?

#79 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-18 11:20 PM | Reply

"We can't fight this crap all day, every day. And that's precisely when it's created, every day."

This allows propaganda to be amplified in the era of mass media.

It's a lot like spam email. It costs practically zero to send spam email. Only one person in a very large number has to fall for it, for it to pay off. If spam email costs fifty cents, like regular mail, we would call it junk mail, and understand it for what it is. Infomercials can be surprising cheap, but we understand them for what they are.

When you're watching TV, the line between the show you're watching and the ads is generally pretty clear. The show stops. The ads come on. Then, the show comes on again. In live formats they pepper in advertisements for other shows on their network, but you can tell what they're doing.

On Facebook or whatever, you have no idea who is leading you down what garden path.

Thanks to Citizens United, political speech will forever be like that too.

#80 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-18 11:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The only math Ira knows is mathurbation.
#77 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

I think there is an obesity thread you should be participating on now given your expertise in that area.

#81 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-18 11:21 PM | Reply

We can't fight this crap all day, every day. And that's precisely when it's created, every day.
#70 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

That's what they're counting on, Tony.

That they can bludgeon us with mountains of nonsense.

IRA writes a lot for someone who can't prove anything he's posting. Because he's hoping at some point you tire of dealing with correcting him and give up.

Same for a lot of the DR's conservative posters.

#82 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-09-18 11:24 PM | Reply

but it is called a half-brother.

Don't condescend to me pissant. You never used the word "half brother" one time before in any of your above posts. I'm not taking the time to C&P each one, anyone can go upthread and read each time you said "brother".

You're changing the story as you go. No credibility, no truth.

#83 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-18 11:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"On Facebook or whatever, you have no idea who is leading you down what garden path.
#80 | POSTED BY SNOOFY"

Which is why calling our MSNBC and CNN for their constant fake news is important. Their spending should be considered a DNC campaign contribution. Now, I know you will whine about Fox News - but Fox News has dissenting opinions on Trump - Brett Bair, Shep Smith, Mike Wallace's unflushed turd, etc.

Can you link me to the dissenting voice on CNN or MSNBC? You used to have limp-wristed Jeffery Lord but he put up too much of a fight apparently. Your networks are 100% lockstep in DNC messaging. It is funny that the very thing you criticize, you are proud to consume on a daily basis.

#84 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-18 11:26 PM | Reply

#83 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

What the F are you talking about? A HALF BROTHER IS A BROTHER. Would the US sanction a marriage to either? They share a parent for goodness sake. If I was claiming a quarter-brother, you have a point. But the claim is that her father parented both. That HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE CLAIM. Again, you can't seem to grasp even the basics of the argument.

#85 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-18 11:28 PM | Reply

I've been told that the problem lies with me when I call them out and treat them appropriately for this very behavior.
#71 | POSTED BY JPW

Because they're the victims. Or at least they want you to believe that.

We've got trolls. Which are bad. But. We also have troll enablers. Which are worse.

The enablers are people who are normally up for discussion. Who also encourage and protect the trolls.

#86 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-09-18 11:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I will try again to break the partisanship:

Let's play a game:

W. Bush is an incompetent, drug abusing, AWOL POS

Now, pick one of the D's and do the same. Try it. If you are struggling for a name, try Ted Kennedy.

#87 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-18 11:29 PM | Reply

It is beyond debate that he has spent millions of dollars to hide his public records.

Good gawd, the stupid.

College records are PRIVATE unless the person gives someone the right to see them. Kinda like HIPPA laws. No one has to spend money keeping them private because that's what all colleges do for you.

"Crap grades"?

At the end of his first year (Harvard Law) Obama was selected as an editor of the Harvard Law Review based on his grades and a writing competition.
Omar is a disgusting, bigoted person that may have married her brother to defraud the US government. There is literally no reason for anyone to defend her other than for pure political reasons.

I didn't defend her, I showed you that your fantabulous story has more holes in it than fishnet stockings. I made that point expressly above.

You are the prima facie reason why this thread exists as a point of unfathomable concern for whomever becomes the Democratic presidential nominee. It's not just the lie, it's all those willing to swear that it's true and are able to influence others that don't have the time or inclination to learn enough of the details to figure out the truth.

#88 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-18 11:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

A HALF BROTHER IS A BROTHER.

A half brother means a each child has one different parent. A brother means that both children have the SAME TWO PARENTS. It's makes a hell of a difference in the conversation we're having. Seriously, you can't understand the need for precision here?

I asked you why he would have been separated from the other 7 children. You never said there were two different mothers involved. And again, where is the proof that Mr. Omar and the other dude's mother ever met, much less created a child?

#89 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-18 11:42 PM | Reply

given this is on its #89th post ....

I would reckon they aren't.

#90 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-18 11:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

A half brother means a each child has one different parent.

consanguinity or better known as ------? TRUE

#91 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-18 11:48 PM | Reply

"You never said there were two different mothers involved
#89 | POSTED BY TONYROMA "

My mistake. I assumed that before you would take a strong position on the issue, you would at least try to familiarize yourself with the basic information around the argument. I guess that is a bridge too far for you as your extent of thought seems to be cut and pasting Snopes.

#92 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-18 11:49 PM | Reply

There is literally no reason for anyone to defend her other than for pure political reasons.

There it is.... The Holy Grail. How many times did I tell Ira that I was only pointing out the holes in his theory? I've not said one single word in defense of anything Ilhan Omar has said, done, or even thought. I only pointed out the falsehoods in Ira's narrative and he sees me as being partisan instead of just correct.

They refuse to see the difference. Unless the word comes from a conservative they trust and respect, there is nothing any liberal is going to show them that they'll believe even when it's simple math.

So with a big emphatic NO, reaching people prone to believe anything they hear from sources they trust is not something that Democrats can do. It can only be done by principled Republicans to whom they might listen to without accusing them as using the truth as a partisan attack that they need to defend themselves from.

#93 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-18 11:50 PM | Reply

My mistake. I assumed that before you would take a strong position on the issue, you would at least try to familiarize yourself with the basic information around the argument.

How many times did I ask you for links? Did you read post #45?

"Throw up some links Ira and I'll find debunking material for all of them. But I want to know these rumors so that I can expect and try to educate other people and tell them where to go to find out the actual truth."

#94 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-18 11:52 PM | Reply

If you are struggling for a name, try Ted Kennedy.

Ted Kennedy was a man of great influence. But he was also a flawed human being like the rest of us. He endured great tragedies and caused others the same. He probably wasn't held accountable for many of the things he did, but what rich, powerful white men ever are?

But he didn't use government to hurt other people. He tried to make things better for a lot of people who had little power and say so. He was far from perfect as are we all, but there's a reason both Republicans and Democrats called him the Lion of the Senate.

#95 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-18 11:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The lack of self-awareness and self-perceived victimhood on this thread is hilarious.

I will leisurely address some of the butt-hurt comments....

#96 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-09-18 11:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Andrea, are you buying Ira's Omar story? Do you think the known record of persons and events supports it?

#97 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-19 12:01 AM | Reply

#57 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

This is precisely what I'm talking about Jeff. We need you to tell Ira that what he's saying doesn't make sense on multiple levels because the narrative is incoherent, not that the Omar family might not conspire to do something like that. I'm making no judgment about her character or lack thereof. The story doesn't make sense unless he has way more details that support something so illogical and unsupported.

Then maybe he'll go back and look at it again more critically.

#61 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

Tony,

My comment in that post was wholly an inside and off-topic joke. It was intended solely for you and nobody else.

Please reread the post and internalize the following: Gout - Cherry Juice - A glass a day keeps the crystals at bay.

#98 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-09-19 12:03 AM | Reply

#95 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

Ted Kennedy was an unrepentant murderer and liar.

Fixed it for you. No reason to try to church it up by mentioning rich white men. Lots of poor white men are murdering liars as well.

#99 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-19 12:05 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#97 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

Tony, if you want to start explaining anything, explain what her father's name is. Once you understand that argument, then maybe we can begin to discuss why that matters.

#100 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-19 12:07 AM | Reply

Ted Kennedy was a man of great influence...

But he didn't use government to hurt other people.

He absolutely used government to avoid justice for his role in the death of Kopechne.

That isn't his only instance of abusing his powers to hurt other people....

#101 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-09-19 12:10 AM | Reply

The entire Kennedy Klan used and abused women their entire lives. You loons worship them.

If the Kennedy's were conservatives, you've have their heads on pikes at Martha's Vineyard for their crimes.

#102 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-09-19 12:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Please reread the post and internalize the following: Gout - Cherry Juice - A glass a day keeps the crystals at bay.

You know I got that part. But I'm not kidding about the other.

If you believe that it was almost certainly unlikely that Ilhan married her half brother from another mother within a year after Ilhan's mother died (because it had to be in 1985) and her father had 7 kids already but had an illicit affair while Ira has provided zero proof the two parents ever met, much less procreated,

then I'd like you to say so. If you think the opposite, explain why.

Then take all the shots you want.

#103 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-19 12:14 AM | Reply

#103 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

Avoiding my challenge on the name of her father. Smart of you because it is an argument you cannot win.

#104 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-19 12:17 AM | Reply

Tony, if you want to start explaining anything, explain what her father's name is.

For the last time, provide links to the information you think I should know. I don't even know what questions to ask! I don't read your sources as a rule, that is why I'm begging you to educate me instead of dropping "you shoulda knowns".

Her father's name is never going to overcome that you've got to prove that Mr. Omar and the woman who birthed the child Ilhan was supposed to have married were ever in the same city, much less evidence that they knew each other, and finally could have conceived that child in 1985 because that was the year he was born.

I don't know what stuff you want me to know. Show me proof of the child's parents having the opportunity to conceive in 1985 or leave me be.

#105 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-19 12:20 AM | Reply

Her father Nur Omar Mohamed, an ethnic Somali from the Majeerteen clan of Northeastern Somalia,[9] worked as a teacher trainer.[10] Her mother, Fadhuma Abukar Haji Hussein, a Benadiri (a community of partial Yemeni descent), died when Ilhan was two.[11][12][13][14] She was raised by her father and grandfather thereafter.[15] Her grandfather Abukar was the director of Somalia's National Marine Transport and some of Omar's uncles and aunts also worked as civil servants and educators.[10] She and her family fled Somalia to escape the war and spent four years in a Dadaab refugee camp in Garissa County, Kenya, near the Somali border.[16][17][18]

en.wikipedia.org

And the importance of that is what?

#106 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-19 12:22 AM | Reply

You know I got that part.

Good! I kinda feel bad questioning that you didn't get my reference.

But I'm not kidding about the other.

That's fine. I don't care about Omar, nor do I care about this conspiracy theory surrounding her and being married to her brother.

While there exists a good amount of 'there' there, I just don't care.

#107 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-09-19 12:25 AM | Reply

While there exists a good amount of 'there' there, I just don't care.

I'm going to take a step back here. I was only arguing that the story Ira was making made no sense and the math didn't add up. I googled the issue and read the actual details and why the rumors started based on Ilhan's tax issues and marriage records. There are confusing and conflicting details which are debatable but inconclusive either way.

You did the same thing Ira did. I wasn't asking about how anyone feels about Omar, I was simply asking if Ira's theory as he laid it out made any sense at all based on the known records that exist.

As I kept asking Ira, I wanted more factual information because the little he provided did not support his conclusion. On this point, my argument wasn't political, it was about right or wrong based on the facts in evidence.

#108 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-19 12:34 AM | Reply

#106 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

If that is his name, why did Omar and her sister use a different name - and no, the nickname excuse does not fly as her father used the other name - the same one Omar tried to scrub form the internet - on her marriage license. Of course, that 'other' name is the EXACT SAME NAME as her husband/brother - add to that the Islamic patriarchal naming structure and it all makes sense when looking at her 'faith marriage/divorce', co-habitation with both men at the same time, and tax filings. She married her brother.

#109 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-19 12:43 AM | Reply

Then maybe he'll go back and look at it again more critically. - #61 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-18 10:57 PM
This statement made by tonyroma is amazingly hypocrtical consindering his lies I have pointed out (again yesterday in post #5) but he continues to ignore it, and instead wants others to go do what he refuses to do.

#110 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-09-19 08:13 AM | Reply

So, the question is why? I don't have an answer to that questions - maybe he claimed to be a foreign student, maybe his grades were crap (seems unlikely given his transfer schools). We don't know other than the fact that he doesn't want them disclosed. I think the same fights occurred over Hillary's speech contents and senior thesis. Why fight their release?
#79 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-18 11:20 PM

The answer is 'You don't need a reason to fight to protect your rights'. President Obama had the right to privacy. Sec. Clinton had the right to privacy. President Trump has the right to privacy.
You fight to protect your rights for the same reason that I speak up for gun-rights. Not because I have or need a gun, but because others do and the erosion of the rights of one of us effects all of us.

#111 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-09-19 08:18 AM | Reply

Can you put the mother and father together Ira? Any proof that Mr. Omar and Elmi's mother were ever in the same place in 1985? - tr

yeah, that place is called Somalia. It is on their refugee status applications. - Ira

There were 6.792 million people living in Somalia in 1985. I'm sure they all knew each other. And had sex.

Every single anecdote and gruel-thin piece of circumstantial evidence you presented means zero unless you have actual proof that Mr. Omar and Mr. Elmi's mother were ever in close physical proximity in 1985. If not then he can't possibly be a half-brother of Ilhan.

Somalia is 246,200 square miles - and you have no proof that the two necessary people ever met, much less procreated, nor DNA proof that Elmi is even related to Ilhan.

Until you can make a plausible case outside of saying that "they both lived in the same country so it's argumentably probable they produced an illicit child" as your only proof, as Sergeant Schultz used to say "You have NaaaaaaTHInKKKK!"

#112 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-19 08:24 AM | Reply

RCADE: What, if anything, do you intend to do to prevent the DR from being used as a platform for rightwingers to promote fakenews and slander in the upcoming election cycle. I genuinely believe you have an ethical duty to try and prevent this site from being intentionally exploited by rightwing partisans to promote pro-Trump misinformation. They have made it clear that they have every intention of doing so if they see vulnerabilities in media outlets.

#113 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-09-19 02:45 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

Sniveling Stalinist in aisle 5.

#114 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-19 02:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"RCADE: What, if anything, do you intend to do to prevent the DR from being used as a platform for rightwingers to promote fakenews and slander in the upcoming election cycle. I genuinely believe you have an ethical duty to try and prevent this site from being intentionally exploited by rightwing partisans to promote pro-Trump misinformation. They have made it clear that they have every intention of doing so if they see vulnerabilities in media outlets.

#113 | POSTED BY MODER8 AT 2019-09-19 02:45 PM "

Christ on a crutch. Get a grip, moder8.

#115 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-19 02:53 PM | Reply

Notice it is only rightwing liars and slanderers who react negatively to #113. LOL. It is what they intend to do and everyone knows it.

#116 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-09-19 02:54 PM | Reply

"Notice it is only rightwing liars and slanderers who react negatively to #113. LOL. It is what they intend to do and everyone knows it.

#116 | POSTED BY MODER8 "

Exactly. Even the left doesn't want to touch that whiney piece of ---- post #113. Let's see how many NWs it gets, and by whom, snowflake.

#117 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-19 02:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You know the right-wingers are getting antsy when they bring up Ted Kennedy.

#118 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-19 03:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#113 | POSTED BY MODER8 AT 2019-09-19 02:45 PM | FLAG: INCREDIBLY WHINY

Nut up, Buttercup.

#119 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-19 03:06 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"Negative campaigning and disinformation has been around in this country since it was founded."

Anything prior to 2000 doesn't come close to what's happening now.

There's basically a non-existent hurdle to publish anything you want, worldwide, instantly. It will be believed by anyone who wants to believe it.

"I'm just absolutely gobsmacked that none of the conservatives here can discern through their mockery of the subject (which is really psy/ops) that posters on the same thread are giving A-Z examples as to why no one can keep up with all the bs that filters through the medias and that the truth is not any type of viable defense." #60 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

Right, but Jeff will say "Remember when Eephus McGillicuddy got a' caught telling that tall tale about how big the frog was that he caught when he was ten? This stuff has been going on forever!"

#120 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2019-09-19 03:31 PM | Reply

"Negative campaigning and disinformation has been around in this country since it was founded."

^
What a denier says.
They will also tell you this:
Climate has always been changing!!!

#121 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-19 03:33 PM | Reply

This crap has existed since this country was founded.

#4 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-09-18 08:43 PM

The internet, Fox News, Breitbart, Facebook, Twitter... no one was bombarded with lies on a daily basis.

Trump and Co have turned disinformation into a friggin' science. A way of life.

#122 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2019-09-19 03:37 PM | Reply

Remember this schitt starting in the second half of the nineties - the chain emails, many of them in big 24 point red font for the geezers. Spreading what seemed like laughable lies at the time, but it turns out they were just priming the pump.
THE TRUMPPUMP (TM)*

As seen on TV for only 3 easy installments of 19.99!

#123 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2019-09-19 03:39 PM | Reply

I love the insinuation that the GOP has a monopoly on disinformation campaigning and that it has bigger platforms than the left.

I'm not sure which insinuation is funnier.

#124 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-09-19 03:47 PM | Reply

Anything prior to 2000 doesn't come close to what's happening now.
There's basically a non-existent hurdle to publish anything you want, worldwide, instantly. It will be believed by anyone who wants to believe it.

Yes, but that works both ways. Lies and disinformation (including lies by omission) can be quickly blown up too. Just ask the NYT about that.

#125 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-09-19 03:48 PM | Reply

Of course there will be bias, omissions, stories not totally correct etc. across all news outlets. I think any reasonable adult that consumes news knows this.

But to me, without getting into arguing every piece of news going back to 1990, the proof that the lies and misinformation from the right are on steroids is the sitting president.

#126 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2019-09-19 04:00 PM | Reply

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