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More than half a million people are homeless each night in the United States, a new White House report has found. All told, 47% of all unsheltered homeless people nationwide " meaning those who sleep in areas not meant for habitation, such as sidewalks, parks, cars and abandoned buildings, rather than in shelters " live in the Golden State, according to a new report on homelessness from the White House Council of Economic Advisers. Unsheltered homeless people represent just over a third (35%) of the overall homeless population nationwide. .

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'We can't have our cities going to hell': Donald Trump threatens environmental action against San Francisco - www.usatoday.com

Somebody needs to take action. Democrats sure aren't doing anything to solve the problem.

They're too busy trying to get a peek at Donald's taxes.

#1 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-09-19 12:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You schitt heaps will leave no group untouched in your quest to politicize everybody and everything.

You don't give a damn about the homeless you POS back.

#2 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-19 01:03 AM | Reply

"You don't give a damn about the homeless you POS back.

POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-09-19 01:03 AM |"

Another "quality post" from the DR's little ray of sunshine.

#3 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-19 01:13 AM | Reply

You don't give a damn about the homeless you POS back.
#2 | POSTED BY JPW

But obviously you do. So, any ideas about Californias homelessness epidemic?

#4 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-09-19 01:45 AM | Reply

But obviously you do.

He's drunk he doesn't care ....

#5 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-19 01:56 AM | Reply

Trump, Carson reject California's request for federal help on homelessness

abcnews.go.com

#6 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-19 02:46 AM | Reply

Perfect for DNC vote harvesting..

#7 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2019-09-19 04:46 AM | Reply

Trump, Carson reject California's request for federal help on homelessness

#6 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY AT 2019-09-19 02:46 AM | FLAG:

Shockingly, Carson isn't wrong, though I'd quibble on the third one. The first 2 points are accurate.

"If California's homeless population had held in line with overall population trends, America's homeless rate would have decreased. Instead, the opposite has happened, as California's unsheltered homelessness population has skyrocketed as a result of the State's over-regulated housing market, its inefficient allocation of resources, and its policies that have weakened law enforcement."

#8 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-09-19 08:08 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

He's drunk he doesn't care ....

#5 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

When this giant yaaaaawwwwwnn inducing comeback gets trotted out I know I'm barking up the right tree.

You don't care, other than in how they affect you and that you can kick them around as political footballs.

#9 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-19 08:14 AM | Reply

#2 ..and you don't GOS how they got there. If you did, you'd acknowledge that liberal policies are largely to blame.

Right now, the 5 states with the highest rates of "street homeless" are all on the west coast (CA, HI, OR, WA, NV). Four of those states also have the highest percentage of their overall homeless population living on the street (as opposed to shelters). All 5 of those states, along with CO, NY, MA, VT and AK, comprise the Top 10 for highest rates of homelessness.

#10 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-09-19 11:12 AM | Reply

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You don't care, other than in how they affect you and that you can kick them around as political footballs.
#9 | POSTED BY JPW

Actually I do care, I went to city hall one evening to support building tiny homes near my place to house many homeless people. I would be happy to support with money, ideas that make sense for the homeless.

I ride my bike and see homeless on a daily basis, it give me pause.

I don't use them like you do, I have actually walked the talk. From illegal immigration, homelessness.

I don't get drunk and claim people that oppose my PoV a POS.

That is what you do, you are weak, it shows in your vitriol, your inability to control yourself with anonymous users,

Its the REAL you, you should work on your anger and yourself.

#11 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-19 11:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

#10 | POSTED BY MUSTANG

This is where they ignore the rates, and chime in with "Alabama has homeless too" ...

#12 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-19 12:00 PM | Reply

Proven solutions to homelessness are federal housing assistance, permanent government-provided supportive housing combined with vital support services, and moving homeless individuals directly into subsidized housing and linking them with on-site community services.
www.coalitionforthehomeless.org

Can we count the rightwingers who constantly squawk about California's homeless problem to be in favor of increased funding toward these initiatives? If not, then we know you don't give two ----- about homelessness and are just using them as a political cudgel.

#13 | Posted by JOE at 2019-09-19 12:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'm pretty sure a couple more tax cuts for the rich and a Trump wall would fix all of this.

Republicans, all complaints, zero solutions.

#14 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-09-19 12:15 PM | Reply

I went to city hall one evening
#11 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

You've done all that can be expected of you.

#15 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-09-19 12:17 PM | Reply

"#2 ..and you don't GOS how they got there. If you did, you'd acknowledge that liberal policies are largely to blame."

Or you could say that the conservative policies in their home states are responsible. Or you could also say that the weather is responsible. We've got a good share of homeless here in Florida, I suspect the weather makes that so. And just so you realize it let me point out that Trump is planning on demonizing the homeless in cities run by Democrats in 2020 and now all his sychophantic followers are already putting out the propaganda like the little lemmings they are. I just hope he doesn't tell you charge off a cliff, that would be dangerous but you'd obey him anyway. And understand, if he loses in 2020 he's blaming it on his lemmings for not working hard enough lying for him.

#16 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-19 12:20 PM | Reply

"Can we count the rightwingers who constantly squawk about California's homeless problem to be in favor of increased funding toward these initiatives? If not, then we know you don't give two ----- about homelessness and are just using them as a political cudgel.

#13 | POSTED BY JOE"

That is the liberal solution to everything: throw money at the problem.

Perhaps if California did not enact liberal policies that abet homelessness, there would be fewer of them.

#17 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-19 12:21 PM | Reply

"Boise's Housing First' Provides A New Solution To Idaho Homelessness"

www.boisestatepublicradio.org

"In a booming city like Boise, a new apartment complex is hardly news. But New Path Community Housing, which opened in December, is different " all of its residents used to be homeless. This is the "housing first" model adopted by other cities, and Boise wants to build more.

David Hall is one of 45 residents at New Path. Half a year ago, he was living on the streets. In 2011, before he was homeless, Hall ran for mayor of Boise against current mayor David Bieter. A large part of his campaign, he says, was promoting the "housing first" concept from other states."

#18 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-19 12:22 PM | Reply

"That is the liberal solution to everything: throw money at the problem."

Generally speaking I've found that it solves most problems.

#19 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-19 12:23 PM | Reply

"Or you could say that the conservative policies in their home states are responsible. Or you could also say that the weather is responsible. We've got a good share of homeless here in Florida, I suspect the weather makes that so.
#16 | POSTED BY DANNI "

Danni didn't read the article. FTA:

" However, some warmer states such as Texas and Florida have smaller homeless populations than might be expected."

#20 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-19 12:24 PM | Reply

""That is the liberal solution to everything: throw money at the problem."

Generally speaking I've found that it solves most problems.
#19 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2019-09-19 12:23 PM "

Generally speaking I have found that sound policy prevents problems thus removing the target at which money is futilely thrown.

#21 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-19 12:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Guess what. Big surprise. The abortion rate is the lowest its been since abortion was legal. And not in the states that have passed the most laws trying to limit women's access. No, it's lowest in blue states that accepted Medicaid Expansion because women have access to birth control.

www.cnn.com

Indicating to me at least that the old myth that liberal spending causes negative consequences is nonsense.

#22 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-19 12:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Generally speaking I have found that sound policy prevents problems thus removing the target at which money is futilely thrown."

Yeah? What "sound policy" would wipe out homelessness?

#23 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-19 12:28 PM | Reply

What "sound policy" would wipe out homelessness?

More tax cuts for the rich!

Trickle down economics will fix everything.

#24 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-09-19 12:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Yeah? What "sound policy" would wipe out homelessness?

#23 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2019-09-19 12:28 PM "

Nothing will "wipe out" homelessness, but it can be reduced.

Again, read the article. But one that isn't mentioned in the article is reasonable taxes. The extremeliy high taxes in California surely add to the homeless situation.

#25 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-19 12:39 PM | Reply

"More tax cuts for the rich!
Trickle down economics will fix everything.

#24 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

Please elaborate.

#26 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-19 12:40 PM | Reply

Anyone is welcome to leave CA for TX anytime they choose if 'lower taxes' was their aim.

#27 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-19 12:45 PM | Reply

--Anyone is welcome to leave CA for TX

And people who hate America and call it a racist, fascist, white supremacist, imperialist, capitalist nightmare are free to emigrate as well. Works both ways.

#28 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-19 12:55 PM | Reply

"Anyone is welcome to leave CA for TX anytime they choose if 'lower taxes' was their aim.

#27 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY "

They are.

"Many people are moving from California to Texas

The cost of living, as well as high taxes and red tape, are precipitating the push"

www.economist.com

#29 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-19 12:57 PM | Reply

#28 | Posted by nullifidian

Your post is:

hyperbole
/hp'rb'l"/

noun: hyperbole; plural noun: hyperboles

exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.

#30 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-19 01:04 PM | Reply

We love America. That's why we bitch about the unAmerican things Trump and Republicans do.

I mean, for instance, refusing to fund election cybersecurity? Really? Who does that benefit? Not America or Americans.

You, NULLIFIDIAN, on the other hand, used to be for things that benefited Americans. No longer. You've become a full on Trumpite, excusing his most egregious actions.

And you hate CA but don't move. Way to avoid addressing that with your hyperbolic nonsense.

#31 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-19 01:07 PM | Reply

Yeah? What "sound policy" would wipe out homelessness?

#23 | Posted by danni

Personal responsibility and an individual desire to not be homeless.

#32 | Posted by boaz at 2019-09-19 01:07 PM | Reply

California only contains 12% of the entire us population
That's twice the percentage found in the next most populated sate
So, no ---- it has higher rates of homelessness

Math, it's a bitch. Especially when you are a stupid miserable angry partisan with little to do but whine and grinding their axe on the internet

no surprise this is a clowngoat thread

#33 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-09-19 01:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

"California only contains 12% of the entire us population
So, no ---- it has higher rates of homelessness

#33 | POSTED BY CHIEFTUTMOSES "

"rates" is the same a "per capita". So population isn't a factor, big chief.

This has to be explained?

#34 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-19 01:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Math, it's a bitch. Especially when you are a stupid miserable angry partisan with little to do but whine and grinding their axe on the internet
no surprise this is a clowngoat thread

#33 | POSTED BY CHIEFTUTMOSES "

Apparently English is a bitch for you. Learn what "rates" means.

BTW, your post, though full of your usual hate, was amusing in its self-admitted cluelessness.

#35 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-19 01:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

--hyperbole

Nope. All words lifted directly out of DR Left posts. It's your team. Deal with it.

#36 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-19 01:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"California only contains 12% of the entire us population
That's twice the percentage found in the next most populated sate
Math, it's a bitch.
#33 | POSTED BY CHIEFTUTMOSES "

Population of California is app 39 million
Population of Texas is app 29 million.

California has twice the population of the next most populace state? LOL

Yep, math's a bitch -- for you -- alright!

Keep 'em coming, big chief.

#37 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-19 01:22 PM | Reply

"#33 | POSTED BY CHIEFTUTMOSES AT 2019-09-19 01:09 PM "

Though this post was full of stupid (not knowing what "rates" means, bad math, etc.) look on the bright side. Americanunity gave you a newsworthy flag for it! LOL

#38 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-19 01:36 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Can we count the rightwingers who constantly squawk about California's homeless problem to be in favor of increased funding toward these initiatives?
#13 | Posted by JOE at 2019-09-19 12:13 PM

While I don't squawk, I absolutely support California increasing funding towards California's homeless initiatives.
I do not support sending federal money to bolster California's failed policies. Perhaps if they can fix their policies we can revisit it, but throwing good money after bad policy is in nobody's interest.

#39 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-09-19 02:04 PM | Reply

"Perhaps if they can fix their policies we can revisit it, but throwing good money after bad policy is in nobody's interest."

What a pile of garbage. For many years blue states like California have been supporting red states but I never read a single post of your whining about that. You're simply hilariously hypocritical.

#40 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-19 02:08 PM | Reply

That is the liberal solution to everything: throw money at the problem.

No, the items i listed were the proven solutions to homelessness. What you choose to do with that information is up to you.

Perhaps if California did not enact liberal policies that abet homelessness, there would be fewer of them.

Perhaps you could back up your claim wth a study.

#41 | Posted by JOE at 2019-09-19 02:25 PM | Reply

Personal responsibility and an individual desire to not be homeless.

Hahahaha, what a ------- ------.

#42 | Posted by JOE at 2019-09-19 02:27 PM | Reply

--Perhaps you could back up your claim wth a study.

Hahahahaha. Since when is the DR Left interested in citations that don't confirm their biases?

#43 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-19 02:28 PM | Reply

No, the items i listed were the proven solutions to homelessness - Joe

It doesn't address the cause, just covers up the symptom.

#44 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-19 02:29 PM | Reply

"Perhaps if California did not enact liberal policies that abet homelessness, there would be fewer of them.
POSTED BY GOATMAN

Perhaps you could back up your claim wth a study.
POSTED BY JOE "

Here you go. Make sure you read the entire article and not just the excerpt:

"According to Bales and other experts, California made homelessness worse by making perfect housing the enemy of good housing, by liberalizing drug laws, and by opposing mandatory treatment for mental illness and drug addiction.

Other states have done a better job despite spending less money. "This isn't rocket science," said John Snook, who runs the Treatment Advocacy Center, which advises states on mental health and homelessness policy around the country. "Arizona is a red state that doesn't spend a ton on its services but is the best scenario in every aspect. World-class coordination with law enforcement. Strong oversight. They don't let people fall apart and then return to jail in 30 days like California does."

What happened in California isn't the first time that we progressives let our idealism get the better of us. To understand how the current disaster unfolded, we have to go back in time, back to the post-World War II era when progressive reformers convinced themselves and others that they could destroy the country's system for dealing with the mentally ill and replace it with a radically different and wholly unproven alternative."

www.forbes.com

#45 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-19 02:51 PM | Reply

Republicans who had initially supported deinstitutionalization as a cost-savings measure (Ronald Reagan did it first in CA, then nationally as president) became increasingly resentful of what they viewed as an anarchistic approach and sought to cut the budget for mental illness. But as federal support for the clinics declined, the state institutions were no longer in place to care for the homeless evicted to the streets. Everybody was in charge and nobody was in charge. The reformers grew depressed. "The deformed creature that has developed from the original community mental health center movement does not arouse much enthusiasm in any of us who had some more grandiose visions," said one.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2019/09/12/why-california-keeps-making-
homelessness-worse/#52c93b6b5a61

He didn't mention WHO was responsible for the deinstitutionalization of the mentally ill in California.

Before he became president, Ronald Reagan was the governor of California. And there, in 1972, he signed the Lanterman"Petris"Short Act , which was an overhaul of the existing system whereby people who were judged to be mentally ill could be institutionalized against their will. The bill proposed closing most state-run mental institutions and dealing with patients in an outpatient setting. Although well-intentioned, and promoted by the ACLU as a guarantor of freedom,
    Reagan saw it primarily as a way for the state to save money.
Then:
The Mental Health Systems Act of 1980 (MHSA) was United States legislation signed by President Jimmy Carter which provided grants to community mental health centers. In 1981 President Ronald Reagan and the U.S. Congress repealed most of the law. The MHSA was considered landmark legislation in mental health care policy.

#46 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-19 03:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Hahahahaha. Since when is the DR Left interested in citations that don't confirm their biases?

#43 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Translation: I know my ass won't be viewed as an acceptable source.

#47 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-19 03:58 PM | Reply

Here you go

That's not a study. That's correlation=causation. You'd get kicked off your high school debate team for relying on it.

#48 | Posted by JOE at 2019-09-19 04:52 PM | Reply

"That's not a study. That's correlation=causation. You'd get kicked off your high school debate team for relying on it.

#48 | POSTED BY JOE "

Oh well. People rarely post studies here I'm not jumping through your hoops to find a peer reviewed study, especially since you would shoot it down anyway.

That being the case, debate and rebut my link.

Or don't and whine that you won't because it's not a bona fide "study".

#49 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-19 04:55 PM | Reply

Here is a paper full of citationa to actual studies on the issue. You will find that virtually every empirically proven solution to homelessness can be stereotyped by you as "throwing money at the problem." That's your problem, not mine.

www.evidenceonhomelessness.com

#50 | Posted by JOE at 2019-09-19 04:56 PM | Reply

#49 Translation - i cant find a study that supports my retarded worldview

Shocker

#51 | Posted by JOE at 2019-09-19 04:57 PM | Reply

"Shocker

#51 | POSTED BY JOE "

Translation:

I can't rebut your link with facts.

#52 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-19 05:00 PM | Reply

You will find that virtually every empirically proven solution to homelessness can be stereotyped by you as "throwing money at the problem."

Amen, brother.

My favorite retrograde thinkers are the guys (seems to always be guys) who think the way to end homelessness is through doing things other than providing homes, such as providing work, or food.

If unemployment or hunger were the problem, it wouldn't be called homelessness.

#53 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-19 05:00 PM | Reply

Translation:
I can't rebut your link with facts.

I already did that in #50. You'll either disappear, ignore it entirely, claim you're too busy to read it, say you don't care, continue making claims as though #50 was never posted, claim i'm stalking you, claim i'm insulting you and that you aren't going to debate me under those conditions, etc etc etc. Anything but acknowledge the point or refute it with a study of your own.

You're nothing if not predictable.

#54 | Posted by JOE at 2019-09-19 05:12 PM | Reply

"You're nothing if not predictable.

#54 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2019-09-19 05:12 PM "

Thank you. I've often been told I can be counted on for being honest and truthful -- not to mention being able to put a killer meal on the table!

#55 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-19 05:22 PM | Reply

"sustained and significant investment in affordable housing"

Can't happen in Cali. Anti-growth regulations.

#56 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-09-20 08:52 AM | Reply

I went to city hall one evening
#11 | POSTED BY Fat Andy Mattress

Stop with the lies. Everyone knows you haven't left your Peanut butter fort in your father's basement in months.

#57 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-09-20 09:55 PM | Reply

"#57 | POSTED BY ABORTED_MONSON "

Please do not hijact the thread with petty personal insults.

#58 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-20 10:01 PM | Reply

"#11 | POSTED BY Fat Andy Mattress
Stop with the lies. Everyone knows you haven't left your Peanut butter fort in your father's basement in months.

#57 | POSTED BY ABORTED_MONSON "

It's interesting. There is so much commostion about me hijacking threads, (which I don't do -- I respond to a hijact, but actually hijack? Rarely if ever) yet no one says one word about aborted monson and his ilk hijacking threads. That includes righties not saying anything.

But that just goes to show how thin skinned lefties are. Righties are just able to shrug off people like aborted monsons and his ilk without whining to rcade he must be banned or screaming at them for hijacking threads. And that's a good thing.

Keep taking the high road, righties. And aborted, stay right in the gutter where you and your friends are and and continue launching your childish attacks from there.

#59 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-20 10:11 PM | Reply

It's interesting. There is so much commostion about me hijacking threads, (which I don't do -- I respond to a hijact, but actually hijack? Rarely if ever) yet no one says one word about aborted monson and his ilk hijacking threads.

Once again, Goatman makes everything all about himself.

He's the perpetual victim.

#60 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-09-20 10:16 PM | Reply

"Once again, Goatman makes everything all about himself.

He's the perpetual victim.

#60 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

Oh, look. My stalker is back. Tonight for his latest trick he confuses facts with victimhood.

Have your last word, stalker. I don't feel like playing your games tonight.

Bye, now!

#61 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-20 10:18 PM | Reply

There's something very Trumpian about this sentence:

"There is so much commostion about me hijacking threads, (which I don't do -- I respond to a hijact, but actually hijack? Rarely if ever)"

Goatman is a fkkking (R)Tard.

#62 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-09-20 10:19 PM | Reply

Have your last word, stalker.
#61 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Why post such blatant lies?

You're incapable of ignoring a post and always need to get the last word.

Troll.

#63 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-09-20 10:20 PM | Reply

Goatman is a fkkking (R)Tard.
#62 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Yeah, but half the entire US homeless population has been abandoned in your state.

...and you don't have the balls to own the failure of democrat run cities. All you do is fell ate Goatman to deflect.

#64 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-09-20 11:27 PM | Reply

Goatman is a fkkking (R)Tard.
#62 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Yeah,
#64 | POSTED BY SHERP

I'm glad we agree.

#65 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-09-21 12:18 AM | Reply

The mecca of San Francisco with all its turds and discarded hypodermic needles is the future of Weimerica should we persist down the path of leftism.

#66 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-09-21 12:20 AM | Reply

"#65 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

How big of a loser does a person have to be to take quotes out of context for a cheap dig at someone? lol

#67 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-21 12:26 AM | Reply

I'm not sure what anyone is complaining about.

Trump's tax cuts for the rich will create the jobs necessary to employ these people.

As far as house and apartment prices. I'm sure the invisible hand of the market will correct everything.

Capitalism is working fine in California.

#68 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-09-21 12:28 AM | Reply

#67 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

What are you talking about stupid.

Sherp agreed with me then went into his own tangent.

You fkkking (R)Tard.

#69 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-09-21 12:31 AM | Reply

"I'm not sure what anyone is complaining about.
#68 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

Who outside of California is complaining? If anything they are thankful that California has these stupid liberal policies that are a homeless magnet.

#70 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-21 12:32 AM | Reply

"You fkkking (R)Tard.

#69 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

'When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers.'

Socrates

Thanks, clownshack. Better luck next time!

#71 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-21 12:33 AM | Reply

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