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Thursday, September 19, 2019

The whistleblower complaint that has triggered a tense showdown between the U.S. intelligence community and Congress involves President Trump's communications with a foreign leader, according to two former U.S. officials familiar with the matter. Trump's interaction with the foreign leader included a "promise" that was regarded as so troubling that it prompted an official in the U.S. intelligence community to file a formal whistleblower complaint with the inspector general for the intelligence community, said the former officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the matter publicly.

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Intelligence Community Inspector General Michael Atkinson determined that the complaint was credible and troubling enough to be considered a matter of "urgent concern," a legal threshold that ordinarily requires notification of congressional oversight committees.

But acting director of national intelligence Joseph Maguire has refused to share details about Trump's alleged transgression with lawmakers, touching off a legal and political dispute that has spilled into public and prompted speculation that the spy chief is improperly protecting the president.

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I posted a thread about this topic that got no traction whatsoever, but if these details pan out, this could be the one act by Trump that Congressional Republicans might not ignore.

It was not immediately clear which foreign leader Trump was speaking with or what he pledged to deliver, but his direct involvement in the matter has not been previously disclosed. It raises new questions about the president's handling of sensitive information and may further strain his relationship with U.S. spy agencies. One former official said the communication was a phone call.
This isn't political, it's national security and Congress has every right to this information without interference from the White House.
Intelligence Community Inspector General Michael Atkinson determined that the complaint was credible and troubling enough to be considered a matter of "urgent concern," a legal threshold that ordinarily requires notification of congressional oversight committees.
Trump's Acting DNI will not turn over the complaint to the House Intelligence Committee as the law states it must and Trump's new head refused to show up for this morning's hearings, ignoring a subpoena.

I hope our Republican friends feel the same way. It's the Intel Committee, they will not leak, they have the highest of security clearances and take their responsibility seriously. They shouldn't be stonewalled by the subject of the whistleblower's complaint, but that's where we are.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-19 12:54 AM | Reply

Deep State's feathers are ruffled.

Good.

#2 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-09-19 12:59 AM | Reply

The complaint was filed with Atkinson's office on Aug. 12, a date on which Trump was at his golf resort in New Jersey. White House records indicate that Trump had had conversations or interactions with at least five foreign leaders in the preceding five weeks.

Among them was a call with Russian President Vladimir Putin that the White House initiated on July 31. Trump also received at least two letters from North Korean leader Kim Jong Un during the summer, describing them as "beautiful" messages. In June, Trump said publicly that he was opposed to certain CIA spying operations against North Korea. Referring to a Wall Street Journal report that the agency had recruited Kim's half-brother, Trump said, "I would tell him that would not happen under my auspices."

Serious question (if the information is correct): Does this give any of those who support Trump or feel he's wrongly criticized any pause whatsoever?

Can you articulate a reason why the White House is blatantly breaking the law when the independant IG deemed the complaint of "urgent concern" triggering it's forwarding to the Intelligence Committee's "within 7 days" as the law demands?

#3 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-19 01:04 AM | Reply

Deep State's feathers are ruffled.

Good.

#2 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

You're a ------ idiot.

Even if you're just trolling, you're a ------ idiot.

You fckers hate this country. Pure and simple.

Lefties might want to change stuff, but righties just want to burn it down.

The ultimate taking their ball and going home.

#4 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-19 01:19 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 8

The whistleblower complaint was filed on August 12th.

Dan Coats left his office on August 15th. The statutory line of ascension dictated that his Deputy Sue Gordon assume the head until another candidate is confirmed and nominated. On August 8th this happened:

Outgoing Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats disrupted a meeting his deputy, Sue Gordon, was holding on election security to urge her to resign from her post.

The abrupt interruption on Thursday, reported by CNN, happened shortly before Gordon submitted her letter of resignation later that day.

She was next in line to be acting spy chief when Coats first announced his intent to retire late last month, but reports indicated the president was going to pick someone else to oversee the U.S. intelligence community until a permanent replacement was approved by the Senate.

Coats and Gordon are both slated to resign on Thursday. (August 15)

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Wow. (Again, if it is as it appears)

#5 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-19 01:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"You're a ------ idiot.
Even if you're just trolling, you're a ------ idiot.
You fckers hate this country. Pure and simple.
Lefties might want to change stuff, but righties just want to burn it down.
The ultimate taking their ball and going home.

#4 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-09-19 01:19 AM "

And yet more "quality posting" from the person who demands it from others. LOL

Do as you say, not as you do, right jpw?

#6 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-19 01:23 AM | Reply

(A)cting director of national intelligence Joseph Maguire has refused to share details about Trump's alleged transgression with lawmakers, touching off a legal and political dispute that has spilled into public and prompted speculation that the spy chief is improperly protecting the president.

The dispute is expected to escalate Thursday when IG Atkinson is scheduled to appear before the House Intelligence Committee in a classified session closed to the public. The hearing is the latest move by committee Chairman Adam B. Schiff (D-Calif.) to compel U.S. intelligence officials to disclose the full details of the whistleblower complaint to Congress.

If I'm reading this correctly, shiite gonna hit the fan tomorrow because I don't believe Trump can dictate what the IG tells the Intel Committee in closed session.

I don't see any way possible that Trump told Maguire what was getting ready to fall into his lap regarding this whistleblower complaint unless Trump couched it all as just the way he "negotiates" (the "it's not as it seems" defense) and that Maguire needed to use smoke and mirrors to keep Congress from getting the actual document. If this goes south, Maguire may find himself on the wrong side of a conspiracy change, at minimum on the Congressional side.

But the complainant CAN take their complaint straight to the Intel Committees after following a set of procedural rules. Whoever it is, I hope they have the utmost of security. There are at least two world leaders that may conceivably want them to remain silent... permanently.

#7 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-19 01:33 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The ultimate taking their ball and going home.
#4 | POSTED BY JPW

Pretty much sums up this TDS infected complainant.

#8 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-09-19 01:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Conspiracy charge, not change.

#9 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-19 01:41 AM | Reply

There are at least two world leaders that may conceivably want them to remain silent... permanently.
#7 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

I'm biting my nails, Tony; hoping this True Patriot is safe.

This *might* be the one that finally brings Trump down. Good werk, Comrade Tonyski.

#10 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-09-19 01:42 AM | Reply

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#4 | POSTED BY JPW

Hows the schnapps tonite?

#11 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-19 01:53 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

There are too many possibilities to even offer a speculation. My first thought was "Bolton's Revenge" but the whistleblower could be one of any number of people in Trump's former inner circle of confidants that Trump stabbed in the back.

#12 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-09-19 05:45 AM | Reply

Only slightly less important is the name of the foreign leader to whom Trump made a promise. Trump's "promises" are like drops of water over Niagara Falls . . . also too numerous to count. In fact, any "foreign leader" foolish enough to take Trump at his word just doesn't know him very well . . . or, if he's smart, has the leverage to collect on one of Trump's markers.

It seems that the only thing NOT in doubt is Trump's subversive activities for the past two and a half years which also involves members of his family.

#13 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-09-19 06:21 AM | Reply

It could Fat Nixon just having verbal diarrhea with a foreign leader and means nothing.

It could be Fat Nixon compromising our national security to suck up to a foreign leader that he wants to fund one of his resorts.

The fact that it could be either should be the concern. He is a loose canon who is wholly unqualified to be a groundskeeper at the white house let alone the CiC.

#14 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-09-19 07:06 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Where is jeffy to lecture us on congressional oversight?

#15 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-09-19 07:34 AM | Reply

There are too many possibilities to even offer a speculation.

#12 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-09-19

True, but I'll offer a likely one anyway.

Collusion is back on the menu, boys.

#16 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-19 08:12 AM | Reply

"I'm biting my nails, Tony; hoping this True Patriot is safe."

We all do. I'd hate to see how many mysterious deaths it takes to add up to a pattern from a Trumpist point of view.

#17 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-19 08:14 AM | Reply

4 | POSTED BY JPW

Hows the schnapps tonite?

#11 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

As real as the substance in that post.

What do you think about this, Andrea? Are you fine with it? Any of it? All of it?

#18 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-19 08:17 AM | Reply

Donald Trump is a sociopath. He will behave like one throughout.

#19 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-19 08:17 AM | Reply

Apparently the WH is preparing the public for the coming revelation by reminding all of us that the president can reveal any State secret he wants to.

#20 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-19 08:19 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

What do you think about this, Andrea? Are you fine with it? Any of it? All of it?

#18 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-19 0

Seriously, what do you think?

#21 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-19 08:19 AM | Reply

That this could even be a partisan argument speaks loudly about the patriotism of the defenders of the President.

#22 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-19 08:22 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"What do you think about this, Andrea? Are you fine with it? Any of it? All of it?"

JPW, there are posters in this thread who don't give two s***s about the United States, save yourself some trouble and don't bother them with questions like that. We already know the answer.

#23 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-19 08:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

If you have to say it's 'not political' it's definitely political.

#24 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-09-19 08:25 AM | Reply

NIXON

I don't think it's that simple. Trump already has his future real estate deals in the bag.

I think we forget sometimes that Trump's mission was to destroy the establishment which he's been piecemealing since he took office. Fortunately the job has proven a little more difficult than he thought but the mission itself hasn't changed.

If we're looking for the "foreign leader" to whom promises were made, we only have to look at who would benefit the most from such promises and why Trump needs another four years to triple down. Those assumption would lead to Vladimir Putin whom I've thought for a long time is getting a little nervous about his investment in Donald Trump's ability to concentrate on removing the blockades that's preventing Russia's expansion to it's former world power.

Trump has taken a lot of side trips . . . the wall, immigration, sanctions, tariffs, the NRA, lawsuits, not to mention his egocentric personal battles with everybody who criticizes him including those who are now spending time in prison (or decided to commit suicide). Trump has created too many ego driven side trips to name but you get the drift.

There are other candidates on the list of course but at first blush I'd nominate Vladimir as Number One.

#25 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-09-19 08:29 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

You can see a TR story coming a mile away.

#26 | Posted by homerj at 2019-09-19 08:30 AM | Reply

"There are other candidates on the list of course but at first blush I'd nominate Vladimir as Number One."

My thoughts exactly and Prince Bone Saw is also on the list. Trump has such nice friends.

"This chart shows how Saudi Arabia is on course to behead more people than ever before in 2019"

www.insider.com

#27 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-19 08:34 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

I'm interested, but I can't be fascinated until there are some details. Anything prior to that is pure conjecture.

I wish the media had been paying this much attention for the last decade.

#28 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-09-19 08:35 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"I wish the media had been paying this much attention for the last decade."

Pretending that is a valid comment makes you look like a partisan hack. Yeah, right! The media ignored everything Obama did but now pays attention to every wrong move by Trummp. Laughable.

#29 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-19 08:44 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

I will have more flexibility after the election.
DJT

#30 | Posted by 6thPersona at 2019-09-19 08:46 AM | Reply

Apparently the WH is preparing the public for the coming revelation by reminding all of us that the president can reveal any State secret he wants to.

My crystal ball take: Trump/Barr are telling Maguire that whatever Trump said in the phone call, it was merely an intentional lie (not something he would actually do for the reasons he told whomever he was speaking to) and that Trump was using his Jedi mind tricks to negotiate with said foreign leader, ie. using his superpower. In that vein, the DOJ signed off that the subject content of the call itself falls under the umbrella of executive privilege and regardless of the statute in question Trump has the right to keep his own machinations from Congressional oversight.

The next steps will be (in no particular order) to declare the whistleblower "an angry Democrat" (even though this person was employed in Trump's White House) who through his whistleblower complaint is the REAL national security threat, and by reporting the content of Trump's "privileged" conversation has endangered America and exposed this nation to harm.

And of course Trump will invoke an "Obama did it too! defense, bringing up the hot mic moment prior to the 2012 election when Obama told then Russian President Medvedev that "he'd (Obama) have more flexibility" to deal with sensitive bilateral issues after the election was over. This has always been used as a defense for Trump sideling up to Putin.

However, we already know what happened after Obama was re-elected and it wasn't capitulating anything to Russia as Trump is wont to.

#31 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-19 08:46 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"I will have more flexibility after the election.
DJT"

Now let's compare that to Trump's meeting, in the WH, with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov (L) and Russian Ambassador to the US Sergei Kislyak U.S. and no one knows what secrets he revealed during that meeting.

#32 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-19 08:48 AM | Reply

"White House fumes after Moscow releases photos of Trump sharing chummy moment with Russian officials in Oval Office"

"Donald Trump's administration is red-faced after Moscow surprised it by releasing pictures of a closed-door meeting between the US president and Russia's top diplomat.
The images - issued by the Russian state news agency TASS, and subsequently published by much of the global media - showed a grinning Trump shaking hands with Sergei Lavrov and the Russian ambassador in Washington, Sergei Kislyak, during an Oval Office meeting.
That Wednesday meeting was already being seen as a major diplomatic coup for the Kremlin, a red carpet welcome just months after being hit with US sanctions for meddling in the 2016 presidential election."

www.scmp.com

He's owned by Putin, I know it, you know it too but just can't admit it. As always with Republicans, it is party before country.

#33 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-19 08:50 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Pretending that is a valid comment makes you look like a partisan hack. Yeah, right! The media ignored everything Obama did but now pays attention to every wrong move by Trummp. Laughable.

POSTED BY DANNI AT 2019-09-19 08:44 AM | REPLY

They never own their messes Danni. They are Republicans.

#34 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-09-19 08:53 AM | Reply

I wish the media had been paying this much attention for the last decade.

Maybe if a whistleblower had witnessed Obama saying something untoward in a conversation with a foreign leader to the point they filed a complaint through the designated channels leading to the intelligence agency's Inspector General deeming it of "urgent concern", triggering the mandated deliverance of said complaint to both Congressional Intelligence Committees and then Obama used Eric Holder and his DNI to step in and keep the complaint from being turned over to Congress, the media probably would have paid equal attention.

#35 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-19 08:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

We have whistle blower protections for a reason.

If this person witnessed something that was truly alarming, then it's right to expose what was said.

#36 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-09-19 08:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I wish the media had been paying this much attention for the last decade.

True dat. All of the machinations of the Iran deal alone should have warranted FAR more scrutiny than it received.

Politico uncovered some real shady ---- pertaining to Iran and published an excellent piece after Obama left office.

Of course, their excellent reporting got the cold shoulder from all of the other mainstream outlets - gotta protect their precious even though his administration spied on some of them.

#37 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-09-19 09:01 AM | Reply

If this person witnessed something that was truly alarming, then it's right to expose what was said.

#36 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-09-19 08:58 AM | Reply

What should be done with the people violating the law to block this disclosure?

#38 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-19 09:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

If you have to say it's 'not political' it's definitely political.

#24 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

The person making the complaint was chosen to work inside Donald Trump's national security team of which Trump has total personnel control of. The person who classified the complaint of "urgent concern" was placed into his IG position by Donald Trump. The DNI withholding the complaint against the expressed unambiguous law was put in his place by Donald Trump.

How are these immutable facts "political"?

#39 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-19 09:03 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#37 do you have the link?

#40 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-19 09:07 AM | Reply

It's amazing what kind of shenanigans and crimes can happen when a leader is a complete frigging idiot.

It's even more fun when that same idiot is a pedophile, a narcissist and a traitor.

Anyone that supports him should be deported to Russia.

#41 | Posted by kudzu at 2019-09-19 09:07 AM | Reply

"I posted a thread about this topic that got no traction whatsoever"

Trying not to be insulted here.

#42 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2019-09-19 09:07 AM | Reply

The closer it gets to election day, the nastier and more desparate the left gets. Muleman went nowhere so the battle cry from the DNC is...You ain't seen nuttin honey!

#43 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-09-19 09:18 AM | Reply

#42

Sorry Hagbard.

But I don't think you and I combined for 5 posts is a decent definition of traction, lol.

#44 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-19 09:20 AM | Reply

NIXON

I don't think it's that simple. Trump already has his future real estate deals in the bag.

I think the more alarming fact of this entire situation is that the people around him HAVE NO CLUE WHAT HIS GOAL IS.

Is he trading national security to Putin in exchange for help in 2020?

We know that Mitch ---------- won't lift a finger to secure the elections.

As far as I am concerned just about everyone in the GOP is compromised by Russia.

I agree he wants to tear down the "deep state".

Bannon's goal was to sow chaos in Washington.

Why?

I know Putin's goal is to destabilize the West and NATO to remove opposition to his agenda in Europe.

Part of that is to make our allies believe the US cannot be trusted. He doesn't want to just destroy the democratic party, he wants to destroy Western democracy. That includes the GOP.

#45 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-09-19 09:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Since Trumpers feel no obligation to tell the truth to the press we can all assume that any public denials related to this whistleblower complaint are false.

#46 | Posted by anton at 2019-09-19 09:22 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

Is he (Trump) trading national security to Putin in exchange for help in 2020?

#45 | Posted by Nixon at

You'd have to say this is high on the list of possibilities.

#47 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-19 09:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

He met with a foreign leader and made a promise?
SMFH at the innuendo. Maybe he promised Truedough a free stay at Mara largo.

#48 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-09-19 09:26 AM | Reply

If this person witnessed something that was truly alarming, then it's right to expose what was said.

#36 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-09-19 08:58 AM | Reply

What should be done with the people violating the law to block this disclosure?

#38 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09

I know! I know! Let's re-elect the bastard.

#49 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-19 09:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I know Putin's goal is to destabilize the West and NATO to remove opposition to his agenda in Europe.

Read the tea leaves already in plain sight.

What did Trump just announce on September 3rd?

The budgeted US military projects that would lose $3.6 billion for the construction of Trump's border wall, including $770 million that would have gone to bolstering NATO infrastructure.

Pretty good guess of what he likely told Putin imo.

#50 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-19 09:27 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

SMFH at the innuendo.

#48 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2

The only reason for innuendo is that Trump is violating the law.

#51 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-19 09:28 AM | Reply

"Since Trumpers feel no obligation to tell the truth to the press"

That was ONE man. Lewindowski

#52 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-09-19 09:28 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

"I know! I know! Let's re-elect the bastard."

It worked just fine for marryin berry.

#53 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-09-19 09:29 AM | Reply

SMFH at the innuendo.

#48 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2

Trumpites can't bitch if people guess at the reasons for his law-breaking.

#54 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-19 09:30 AM | Reply

It worked just fine for marryin berry.

#53 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2

Lot of bastards in the world, aren't there?

But you like one in particular.

#55 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-19 09:31 AM | Reply

That was ONE man. Lewindowski

#52 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-0

What should be done with him?

#56 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-19 09:34 AM | Reply

Lot of bastards in the world, aren't there?
But you like one in particular.
#55 | POSTED BY ZED

Say do you work for yahowl news?

#57 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-09-19 09:35 AM | Reply

Say do you work for yahowl news?

#57 | Posted by phesterOBoyle a

You mean Yahoo News? No, that's slang for Fox.

#58 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-19 09:36 AM | Reply

"What should be done with him?"

Find someone smarter than him to do the questioning.
He's the one that is not going to kiss huffmyshorts's ---.

#59 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-09-19 09:37 AM | Reply

And I feel fairly strongly that the named two former officials quoted in this story are likely Dan Coats and Sue Gordon, ex-DNI and ex-deputy DNI.

The complaint was filed on August 12. They resigned as of August 15. The complaint would have landed in their laps if they hadn't resigned, not in Trump's pick for acting DNI, Maguire's.

For more background as to why, go up and read posts 3 and 5.

#60 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-19 09:38 AM | Reply

He's the one that is not going to kiss huffmyshorts's ---.

#59 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-09-19 09:3

Ah, so you saw a lack of ass-kissing? Another interesting peek into an alien psychology.

#61 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-19 09:42 AM | Reply

He's the one that is not going to kiss huffmyshorts's ---.

#59 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-09-19 09:3

So from your point of view Mr. Lewindowski deserves praise for his performance?

#62 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-19 09:43 AM | Reply

"So from your point of view Mr. Lewindowski deserves praise for his performance?"

Maybe money, real estate, prostitutes?

#63 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-19 09:45 AM | Reply

"Ah, so you saw a lack of ass-kissing? Another interesting peek into an alien psychology."

Nothing alien about that. If the press treats people like ----, then there is no reason to cooperate (kiss ---) with them.

#64 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-09-19 09:45 AM | Reply

I know! I know! Let's give Mr. Lewindowski a Senate seat.

#65 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-19 09:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

""So from your point of view Mr. Lewindowski deserves praise for his performance?"
Maybe money, real estate, prostitutes?"

You see things that aren't there. Its called "pulling from ---"

#66 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-09-19 09:46 AM | Reply

If the press treats people like ----, then there is no reason to cooperate (kiss ---) with them.

#64 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at

Isn't Lewindowski relying upon, at least in part, the press to get him elected in New Hampshire?

Should the voting public be instructed to ignore everything the press says about him, or only the bad things?

#67 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-19 09:47 AM | Reply

You see things that aren't there.

#66 | Posted by phesterOBoyle a

The Joker attracts the weak-minded.

I looked at Lewindowski and saw a gang member bait the police.

#68 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-19 09:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#37 do you have the link?

#40 | POSTED BY JPW

Ask and you shall receive....

The secret backstory of how Obama let Hezbollah off the hook

www.politico.com

#69 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-09-19 09:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"I know! I know! Let's give Mr. Lewindowski a Senate seat."

If the voters go for it .. Then yes.
Stick to the facts instead of going off with wild dreams.

#70 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-09-19 09:49 AM | Reply

That was ONE man. Lewindowski

#52 | POSTED BY PHESTEROBOYLE AT 2019-09-19 09:28 AM | REPLY

And many right-wing commentators who are saying he really showed those Dems whose boss!

Also, let's not kid ourselves, he was performing for the Dotard.

#71 | Posted by anton at 2019-09-19 09:50 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

"I looked at Lewindowski and saw a gang member bait the police."

Good analogy BC the police don't dare touch a gang member.

#72 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-09-19 09:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Stick to the facts instead of going off with wild dreams.

#70 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-09-1

I think Mr. Lewindowski needs to be forced to provide some facts. To Congress. Under oath. For the good of the nation. Not for the good of our leprous president.

#73 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-19 09:51 AM | Reply

What should be done with [Lewandowski]?

#56 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2019-09-19 09:34 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

He's Senate material!

#74 | Posted by anton at 2019-09-19 09:52 AM | Reply

Good analogy BC the police don't dare touch a gang member.

#72 | Posted by phesterOBoyle

Whose gang is Mr. Lewindowski a soldier in the service of?

#75 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-19 09:53 AM | Reply

Isn't Lewindowski relying upon, at least in part, the press to get him elected in New Hampshire?

Should the voting public be instructed to ignore everything the press says about him, or only the bad things?

#76 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-19 09:54 AM | Reply

"I think Mr. Lewindowski needs to be forced to provide some facts. To Congress. Under oath. For the good of the nation."

That sounds good and righteous, but I doubt if he can be forced.

#77 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-09-19 09:56 AM | Reply

The list of military construction projects the Trump administration is defunding to pay for its controversial border wall includes more than $770 million from an initiative started by the Obama administration to shore up European defense after Russia's invasion of Ukraine in 2014.

The cuts, which include upgrades to airfields in Slovakia, ammunition storage in Poland and Special Operations Forces facilities in Estonia, come at a time when the Trump administration is also withholding $250 million in military assistance to Ukraine as it reviews whether to continue the funding program at current levels.

After reviewing the Pentagon's list of projects being targeted, Jim Townsend, who spent eight years as deputy assistant secretary of defense for European and NATO Policy, said the European military construction projects slated to lose funding include serious "military muscle."

"There was a school in there and a headquarters upgrade but most of the list is muscle we need," he told Just Security.

www.justsecurity.org

If you were a NSA staffer/official and overheard President Trump "promise" to undermine funded NATO projects when he was talking to Putin during a July 31 phone call, you'd probably do exactly what this whistleblower did.

Again, the stuff I've posting is public knowledge placed upon a template of chronological events. May be something, may be nothing, but it's surely a hell of a coincidence if none of this is related.

Oh, I forgot one other important piece of confirmed information in this story. Both the White House and the Russian government issued readouts of the Trump/Putin conversation and this is what they said through the voice of a former CIA analyst:

"The White House, after the Kremlin did, put out a read out that said they discussed potential American assistance to ongoing Siberian wildfires. That raised my curiosity even more. President Trump was barely lifting a finger to fight ongoing wildfires in California," Price said. "The Kremlin readout, however, added something quite different. It said, quote, 'that the Russian president viewed Trump's offer as a sign that fully fledged bilateral relations could be restored in the future.'"

"The Russians seemed to have an indication that President Trump had pledged or promised a restoration of diplomatic relations, of bilateral relations in a way that the White House certainly didn't allude to in its readout," he added.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/former-cia-analyst-theorizes-that-spy-whistleblower- complaint-involves-trump-call-with-putin

Quelle surprise....

#78 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-19 09:56 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

The budgeted US military projects that would lose $3.6 billion for the construction of Trump's border wall, including $770 million that would have gone to bolstering NATO infrastructure.

#50 | Posted by tonyroma

Including funds to replace or repair asbestos and lead laden military housing and buildings, leaving service members and their family in danger.

#79 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-19 09:56 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Whose gang is Mr. Lewindowski a soldier in the service of?"

There you go again.. Into the wild blue yonder.

#80 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-09-19 09:57 AM | Reply

You know, in all seriousness, it doesn't take much to get you down to the anti-democracy level you're most comfortable in. That Second Republic of the United States is going to need a president for life, and I'm sure Trump will reluctantly accept the burden. It will also need Senators and Representatives that are appointed by Trump, who will also be titled Spiritual Leader of the Nation.

#81 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-19 09:58 AM | Reply

"That sounds good and righteous, but I doubt if he can be forced."

You're wrong. If the House voted for impeachment hearings their committee then becomes a judicial body that can require testimony with the penalty of jail if he refuses.
Nadler's committee does not yet have that power but it would be easily accomplished if Pelosi decides it's time.

#82 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-19 09:59 AM | Reply

"Should the voting public be instructed to ignore everything the press says?"

The People are sick of the presses twisting and editorializing, the People can make up their minds without MSN etal snark.

#83 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-09-19 10:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

That sounds good and righteous, but I doubt if he can be forced.

#77 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2

If Lewindowski can't be forced, punish him for his silence.

He's relying on presidential powers that don't exist, powers that Trump pulls out of his ass, powers which can reasonably be seen as an element to a coup.

#84 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-19 10:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

we don't know who the whistleblower is
we don't know who the foreign leader is
we don't know what promise was made

Tony loves mystery novels

#85 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-19 10:02 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

The People are sick of the presses twisting and editorializing, the People can make up their minds without MSN etal snark.

#83 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-09-

So, if the news is not snarky then it's true?

So the answer is, ignore all information not positive to Lewindowski?

See how easy it was to answer a direct question, posed only twice?

#86 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-19 10:03 AM | Reply

The People are sick of the presses twisting and editorializing, the People can make up their minds without MSN etal snark.

#83 | POSTED BY PHESTEROBOYLE AT 2019-09-19 10:01 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

The volk are very wutend with the lugenpresse.

#87 | Posted by anton at 2019-09-19 10:04 AM | Reply

Isn't it something that some posters MO here is to quickly attack other posters rather than comment on the thread topic?

#88 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-19 10:04 AM | Reply

"That Second Republic of the United States is going to need a president for life"

You have a very "prolific" mind.

#89 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-09-19 10:05 AM | Reply

"That Second Republic of the United States is going to need a president for life"

You have a very "prolific" mind.

#90 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-09-19 10:05 AM | Reply

we don't know who the whistleblower is
we don't know who the foreign leader is
we don't know what promise was made

#85 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-19

Because one or more people are breaking the law.

There's only a mystery because Trump is breaking the law.

#91 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-19 10:05 AM | Reply

You have a very "prolific" mind.

#90 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at

And you are a disingenuous hypocrite.

Glad to know you.

#92 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-19 10:05 AM | Reply

-Should the voting public be instructed to ignore everything the press says about him, or only the bad things?

I don't care...as long as the press continues the enjoy their constitutional rights.

But do you care, Zed? You want the voting public to ignore what some in the press say about Trump.....so, I would conclude you agree with Trump.

#93 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-19 10:06 AM | Reply

we don't know who the whistleblower is
we don't know who the foreign leader is
we don't know what promise was made

Tony loves mystery novels

#85 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Yeah, a whistleblower complaint was filed and forwarded as urgent by the IG because Trump was blabbing with the drive through cashier while ordering his hamberder breakfast.

Is that fence post not at all uncomfortable up there?

#94 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-19 10:07 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-Because one or more people are breaking the law.

who?

#95 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-19 10:08 AM | Reply

"we don't know who the whistleblower is
we don't know who the foreign leader is
we don't know what promise was made"

In other words, a typical Tony Truther thread.

#96 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-19 10:11 AM | Reply

Trumpers seem unwilling to acknowledge how serious this had to have been for a member of the intel community to take the likely unprecedented step of filing a whistleblower complaing (and for the Inspector General to determine that the complaint was "credible and urgent").

This isn't just a matter of "the deep state trying to take down Trump" or "triggering the libs," and if you dismiss it as such then there is no limit to how far you're willing to go to let someone sell out this country.

#97 | Posted by JOE at 2019-09-19 10:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

-Yeah, a whistleblower complaint was filed and forwarded as urgent by the IG because Trump was blabbing with the drive through cashier while ordering his hamberder breakfast.

half of the emails I get at work are marked "urgent".

does that mean they are? how did you and Tony become in any way knowledgeable on how these things work?

I have no problem believing the worst is very possible with stuff like this.....but you are getting drawn into a mystery novel and not much more.

here's a hint......Tony posted it. He loves this ----.

#98 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-19 10:12 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

Could this be about Trump's July 31st phone call to Putin? Dunno, hopefully we'll find out. What else was happening around that time? Well, there's this:

White House Asks for List of Top Spies During Intelligence Shakeup

It's unclear what the White House will do with the list. People on it may be eligible to temporarily lead the Office of the Director of National Intelligence.

www.thedailybeast.com

#99 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-19 10:14 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Would it be reasonable and sensible to wait till all the facts come out?
Or just blather on and attack?

#100 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-09-19 10:16 AM | Reply

7/28 DNI Director Coats resigning soon
7/31 Trump and Putin have a call to discuss "wildfires"
8/2 US withdraws from INF Treaty
8/6 Ambassador to Russia Huntsman resigns
8/8 Coats tells Sue Gordon to resign asap
8/12 Whistleblower complaint filed
8/15 Coats out
9/9 News-CIA extracted key spy from Russia in '17

Hmm

#101 | Posted by JOE at 2019-09-19 10:17 AM | Reply

#94 | POSTED BY JPW

This thread is getting long. Did you see that I provided the link you asked for?

#102 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-09-19 10:19 AM | Reply

-Or just blather on and attack?

they really aren't attacks...but blathering for sure.

#103 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-19 10:20 AM | Reply

-In other words, a typical Tony Truther thread.

He could post one of these every day.

intrigue, mystery, speculation but no hard data, and tons of unanswered questions.

#104 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-19 10:22 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

All speculation aside, here's what we do know:

Asha Rangappa @AshaRangappa_

10. The IG has to look at the complaint, determine that it is credible, and that it is urgent: That it is "[a] serious or flagrant problem, abuse, violation of law or Executive order, or deficiency relating to to...an intelligence activity involving classified information"

11. I direct you to an excellent resource from @NatlSecCnslrs who wrote an excellent Q&A on the statute for @just_security here www.justsecurity.org

12. Note that under the definition of "urgent," the complaint cannot simply be a difference in policy opinion. And the IG is an independent entity making the determination that it is serious enough to come to the attention of Congress

13. This IG is a *Trump appointee* as @EricColumbus astutely notes

twitter.com

#105 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-19 10:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#36 ... We have whistle blower protections for a reason.

If this person witnessed something that was truly alarming, then it's right to expose what was said. ...

I remember during the discussion of fmr Dir Comey, I asked at one point what fmr Dir Comey should have done. I was told that he should have gone to the IG.

With that in mind, I look at this. An official in the US Intelligence community was so alarmed at what Pres Trump said to the foreign leader that he did go to the IG and file a formal whistleblower complaint.

www.washingtonpost.com

...Intelligence Community Inspector General Michael Atkinson determined that the complaint was credible and troubling enough to be considered a matter of "urgent concern," a legal threshold that requires notification of congressional oversight committees....

So why isn't the Trump administration complying with the IG determination that the event is an urgent concern, triggering a required notification of congressional oversight committees?

What is the Trump administration trying to hid or cover-up?

#106 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-09-19 10:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#98 | Posted by eberly

Tony backs up his threads and posts with facts more than anyone on DR.

This must be very serious for someone in the intelligence community to file a whistleblower complaint the DNI (in violation of the law) and WH are fighting so hard to keep from Congress and the public.

#107 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-19 10:27 AM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 2

Oh, and we also know that the Trump WH and the DOJ didn't want the complaint passed on to Congress and intervened to circumvent the law and prevent that from happening.

#108 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-19 10:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

To me, it's wholly consistent with what we know that Russia's readout almost certainly details the very "promise" from Trump given to a "foreign leader," and that the disclosure occurred during this particular conversation:

"The Kremlin readout... said, quote, 'that the Russian president viewed Trump's OFFER (emphasis mine) as a SIGN (em) that fully fledged bilateral relations could be restored in the future.'"
Putin confirmed that Trump verbalized some sort of offer to him during their conversation.

Whoot, there it is! (That's for Eberly ;^) )

#109 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-19 10:29 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

This complaint was filed in accordance with a law called the Intelligence Community Whistleblowers' Protection Act (ICWPA) " which basically establishes the "proper" way for people who work in the intelligence world to file a complaint though official channels (instead of just, say, leaking the complaint, which could involve classified information, to the media). Under that law, Atkinson had 14 days to determine two things: whether the complaint was an "urgent concern" and whether it was credible. Atkinson decided that it was, on both fronts.

The next step, per the ICWPA, is that Atkinson had to send the complaint along to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) " currently headed by Joseph Maguire, who has filled the post of director of national intelligence (DNI) on an acting basis since Dan Coats resigned in August. Atkinson did so. After that, Maguire was supposed to send along the full complaint to the congressional intelligence committees within 7 days " by September 2, in this case.

www.vox.com

#110 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-19 10:30 AM | Reply

-So why isn't the Trump administration complying with the IG determination?

what are they supposed to do?

Can the WH get between the IG and congress on this?

#111 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-19 10:30 AM | Reply

Link for 109: www.washingtonexaminer.com

#112 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-19 10:31 AM | Reply

-Tony backs up his threads and posts with facts more than anyone on DR.

that add up to very very very very little, every time.

He backed up his threads on 9-11 and Palin's baby with "facts" more than anyone on the DR also.

#113 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-19 10:32 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

-Putin confirmed that Trump verbalized some sort of offer to him during their conversation.

Yes...an "offer". That's the ticket.

Maybe Putin is into being pissed on......or something.

#114 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-19 10:33 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Can the WH get between the IG and congress on this?

Only by ignoring the law that states if the IG designates a whistleblower's complaint as an "urgent concern" the DNI must deliver the complaint to both congressional intelligence committees within 7 days.

Trump's DNI is refusing to do so by claiming the DOJ and WH are claiming the information within the complaint is privileged presidential communication outside of Congress' oversight authority, basically flying a middle finger to the law.

#115 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-19 10:35 AM | Reply

I'm done here......better things to do.

everyone have a good day

#116 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-19 10:36 AM | Reply

But do you care, Zed?

#93 | Posted by eberly

I care about people being honest about who they are and what they really want.

That puts me on one side of a particular political divide.

#117 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-19 10:36 AM | Reply

Seems important:

Susan Hennessey @Susan_Hennessey

Keep in mind, this isn't just a single person being concerned by Trump's call. The ICIG independently concluded that this was a credible and urgent concern within the definition of the law. And when the DNI tried to overrule him, the IG felt compelled to warn Congress about it.

#118 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-19 10:36 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

--He backed up his threads on 9-11 and Palin's baby with "facts" more than anyone on the DR also.

He uncovered all those "facts" on the Grassy Knoll.

#119 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-19 10:40 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

"Since Trumpers feel no obligation to tell the truth to the press"

That was ONE man. Lewindowski

#52 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-09-19 09:28 AM | Reply | Flag:

And Kellyanne

And Sarah

And Spicy

And Fat Nixon

And...

Well it's no wonder you do not see the pattern.

#120 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-09-19 10:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The People are sick of the presses twisting and editorializing, the People can make up their minds without MSN etal snark."

Ignorant fool who watches Fox News posts that....absolutely hilarious!

#121 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-19 10:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

that add up to very very very very little, every time.

Enough about Eberly's wife's complaints about his lack of sexual stamina....

Back to the whistleblower.

#122 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-19 10:44 AM | Reply

I care about people being honest about who they are and what they really want.
That puts me on one side of a particular political divide.

#117 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2019-09-19 10:36 AM | REPLY

Careful there. That'll put you in the "purity in politics" bucket real quick around here...

#123 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-09-19 10:45 AM | Reply

Could Bolton be the whistleblower?

Intelligence Community Inspector General transmits the fact of the complaint to Schiff

Sept 10: Bolton resigns/is fired


#124 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-19 10:47 AM | Reply

@#111 ... what are they supposed to do? ...

Check out #110 for the answer to your question, it summarizes the Intelligence Community Whistleblowers' Protection Act.


#125 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-09-19 10:47 AM | Reply

Sept 9: Intelligence Community Inspector General transmits the fact of the complaint to Schiff

Sept 10: Bolton resigns/is fired

#126 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-19 10:48 AM | Reply

==I'm done here......better things to do.

Like watching the MSNBC climathon? It's must see tv! 3 pm, est. Don't miss a single riveting moment. It has a cast of dozens, minus 5 presidential candidates who blew it off.

#127 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-19 10:50 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

Also seems important:

Ned Price @nedprice

One final datapoint: @RepAdamSchiff stated publicly that the Office of the Director of National Intelligence was very pointedly NOT able to say the matter wasn't an issue under investigation by the House Intel Committee. Trump-Russia is very much an issue of active inquiry.

twitter.com

#128 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-19 10:51 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Under the law, the complainant, upon informing the (Acting) Director of National Intelligence of their intent, may testify to Congress without reprisal.

(Seems like every key person in this administration is now 'acting' this or that, bypassing confirmation by Congress)

#129 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-19 10:54 AM | Reply

Could Bolton be the whistleblower?

Doubtful. The whistleblower is a member of the intelligence community, he filed his complaint through their porthole so to speak. That's why the IC's IG was involved in the matter.

Bolton was a presidential appointee, not an IC member.

That's also why I think the two unnamed officials with direct knowledge of the situation are Coats and Gordon or someone speaking on their behalf.

#130 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-19 10:55 AM | Reply

The ICIG independently concluded that this was a credible and urgent concern within the definition of the law. And when the DNI tried to overrule him, the IG felt compelled to warn Congress about it.

It's amazing that there's any response to this other than concern and revulsion.

Can any of you Trump -------- name a comparable instance under another POTUS?

Can you, for once, not act like the extreme abnormalcy of Trump is abnormal?

#131 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-19 10:56 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Eberly:..."half of the emails I get at work are marked "urgent"."

Eb, do you work in the Intel IG department of the US Government? If not, then this is one of the most foolish analogies ever posted here. Why are you so committed to being obtuse on this situation you personally have no insight into beyond what has been written?

#132 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2019-09-19 10:57 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump's making his first statement pushing back on the whistleblower, basically calling them a liar, saying that he'd never say something inappropriate to a foreign leader.

First act of the scenario I laid out in post 31.

#133 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-19 10:59 AM | Reply

(Seems like every key person in this administration is now 'acting' this or that, bypassing confirmation by Congress)

#129 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

And not by accident either, I'm sure.

#134 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-19 10:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#130 | Posted by tonyroma

Ah, he filed through the IC portal. Got it.

#135 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-19 10:59 AM | Reply

Illegitimate President Bucket of ----- best defense is that any promise he makes is worthless.

#136 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-09-19 11:00 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

Can you, for once, not act like the extreme abnormalcy of Trump is abnormal?

Hell to the no. I tried that tack in posts 1 and 3, getting no takers whatsoever.

Everything is partisan politics if Trump is credibly accused of doing it.

Because - Democrats.

#137 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-19 11:02 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

(Seems like every key person in this administration is now 'acting' this or that, bypassing confirmation by Congress)

#129 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

And not by accident either, I'm sure.

#134 | Posted by jpw

Of course. Politico has an article about how dysfunctional the WH is with Trump having made it in the image of the Trump Organization, where he doesn't welcome advice from professionals who know what they're doing.

www.politico.com

#138 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-19 11:03 AM | Reply

Alarmed I say, ALARMED!

#139 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-09-19 11:33 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Alarmed I say, ALARMED!

#139 | POSTED BY MSGT

Must suck to have served your country then sell out for the likes of the Orange Schittstain.

Why'd you even bother?

#140 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-19 11:40 AM | Reply

"Alarmed I say, ALARMED!"

That will make the whole thing go away. I've already forgotten about it.

#141 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-19 11:45 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#110 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-19 10:30 AM
Thanks for the link.

Because one or more people are breaking the law. -#91 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-19 10:05 AM |
Or no law is being broken.
According to that article, the complaint "does not allege misconduct within the Intelligence Community". The Office of the Director of National Intelligence conferred with the Department of Justice and determined that since it does not allege misconduct within the Intelligence Community, it does not fall under the Intelligence Community Whistleblowers' Protection Act. Schiff complains that they were distorting the letter and spirit of the law.
Once again we have co-equal branches of government in a disagreement about how laws are interpreted. Sounds like we need the 3rd to step in and make the call.
Like every other time in US history.

#142 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-09-19 12:06 PM | Reply

For Trump to make this go away, he needs to order the acting DNI to disclose what Trump said and who he said it to.

Trump should keep in mind, it was so bad a member of his handpicked, partisan security team felt compelled to report it and Trump's new partisan security chief feels compelled to hide it.

But, it's not like the Democrats will do anything anyway. If Democrats don't do anything, we're all serfs.

#143 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-09-19 12:10 PM | Reply

#138 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

I was just listening to them talk about the State Department Intelligence Bureau a couple days ago. There used to be dozens of applicants for any open position. It was a coveted position in the State Department which you worked like a dog in. Now it seems they are having a hard time finding qualified applicants at all.

#144 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-09-19 12:13 PM | Reply

Additional info:

Apparently due to national security protocols, whenever the President has a phone conversation with another world leader said conversation is simultaneously listened to and transcribed by intelligence agency personnel in another location separate from the President.

Now, this makes more sense. The whistleblower apparently didn't work directly for Trump, he worked with Trump and monitored specific phone calls as a function of his duties.

#145 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-19 12:17 PM | Reply

I was just listening to them talk about the State Department Intelligence Bureau a couple days ago. There used to be dozens of applicants for any open position. It was a coveted position in the State Department which you worked like a dog in. Now it seems they are having a hard time finding qualified applicants at all.

#144 | Posted by GalaxiePete

Trump's goal is to destroy the government. The institutional knowledge of all the people who've left in disgust is harming America now and for years to come.

#146 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-19 12:17 PM | Reply

The laws in place require the IG to provide this information to Congress. PERIOD.

They should jail the mo fo until he does.

Can any of you Trump -------- name a comparable instance under another POTUS?

You done went and forgot about Tan Suit Gate?

#147 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-09-19 12:18 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

According to that article, the complaint "does not allege misconduct within the Intelligence Community". The Office of the Director of National Intelligence conferred with the Department of Justice and determined that since it does not allege misconduct within the Intelligence Community, it does not fall under the Intelligence Community Whistleblowers' Protection Act.

You mean they're yet again claiming the right to short circuit the process in order to hang things up in the courts.

It's typical Trump MO.

#148 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-19 12:19 PM | Reply

And there are recordings and transcripts of these conversations, so if Trump cannot keep the lid on this by claiming overriding executive privilege, the truth will eventually come out to the intelligence committees at minimum.

#149 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-19 12:21 PM | Reply

They should jail the mo fo until he does.

How's that work when the police and prosecutor are the one's telling him it's alright to break the law?

Who's going to arrest him?

#150 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-19 12:23 PM | Reply

I was just listening to them talk about the State Department Intelligence Bureau a couple days ago. There used to be dozens of applicants for any open position. It was a coveted position in the State Department which you worked like a dog in. Now it seems they are having a hard time finding qualified applicants at all.

#144 | Posted by GalaxiePete

A long time friend who's been a high level State Dept employee for decades quit in late 2017 out of disgust with how her department was being gutted by the Trump administration. With her went all the knowledge and experience she brought to that position, which they did not fill after she left.

#151 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-19 12:26 PM | Reply

The House Intelligence Committee has been in session since 9am this morning and they're hearing testimony from the IC IG Michael Atkinson who's the very person given the complaint, investigated it by corroborating with others, and marked it of "urgent concern."

So in other words, the committee is learning what was in the memo even without actually having it in their possession. As soon as the meeting is over there will be statements made to the public.

This is going to be very interesting. There won't be any details, but I expect must disgust by congress members at what the White House and DOJ are trying to do.

#152 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-19 12:28 PM | Reply

Trump defense: "I'd never say anything inappropriate if I knew there might be witnesses listening."

Literally telling us "I am a better liar than that."

But, Democrats won't do anything.

#153 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-09-19 12:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

A long time friend who's been a high level State Dept employee for decades quit in late 2017 out of disgust with how her department was being gutted by the Trump administration. With her went all the knowledge and experience she brought to that position, which they did not fill after she left.

#151 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Righties cheer this sort of thing.

They think their dumb, podunk asses are qualified for such things and therefore it's not necessary.

#154 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-19 12:30 PM | Reply

#151

This is the case all throughout the government and it's not by neglect, it's by design. The GOP has dreamed about destroying the bureaucratic state and this is how they do it, by hobbling what's left after they've driven out the competent personnel, then filling necessary positions with lackeys and sycophants more concerned with the party's/President's agenda than in serving the needs of the people as the Constitution mandates.

#155 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-19 12:33 PM | Reply

But, Democrats won't do anything.

Lee, stop playing Trump's game. This is a national security issue, not a Democrat-Republican issue. Trump wants to paint those concerned with his disclosure as his enemies. Republicans need to be just as outraged if they ever want to claim to put country over party again.

I know, I know... crazy talk.

#156 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-19 12:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The laws in place require the IG to provide this information to Congress. PERIOD. - #147 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-09-19 12:18 PM |
Once again you are making a false statement.
According to Vox's reporting on the subject, the IG is required to provide this information to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence.
www.vox.com
But I realize that honesty and your posts are seldom similar.

#157 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-09-19 12:41 PM | Reply

"But, Democrats won't do anything."

Lee, stop playing Trump's game. This is a national security issue, not a Democrat-Republican issue.

#156 | POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2019-09-19 12:36 PM

When you can't fix a problem, you remove it. And you will never fix Trump. He needs to be removed if allegations are true.

Lee is right. The Democrats won't do anything. They won't attempt to remove him.

#158 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-19 12:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You mean they're yet again claiming the right to short circuit the process in order to hang things up in the courts.
It's typical Trump MO.
#148 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-19 12:19 PM

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. However I'd call it executive MO, since every honest, informed person knows that it wasn't Trump that started the process. Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan...every president since I've been able to vote has behaved precisely the same in this manner (I won't make blanket statements about the activities of presidents before I started paying a lot of attention to the subject). They disagree with the legislative branch on the meaning or implementation of a law. It goes to the courts. Courts make a decision. Move on to next disagreement. Stop clutching at pearls over this.

#159 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-09-19 12:51 PM | Reply

Excellent analysis of what happened:

The Mysterious Whistleblower Complaint: What Is Adam Schiff Talking About?
www.lawfareblog.com

...If Maguire does not comply, Schiff has indicated the committee plans to require him to appear before the committee in an open hearing on Thursday.

How did the committee arrive at this point, and what might happen next?

The Statutory Framework...

The relevant part of the law, codified at 50 U.S.C. 3033, provides that:...

The statute defines "urgent concern" as any of the following:...

The Facts...


The article is too long to excerpt, but it is well worth the read if you want to understand what is going on, imo.


#160 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-09-19 12:52 PM | Reply

Update:

The IG CANNOT divulge the content of the details inside the whistleblower's complaint to the House Intel Committee without authorization from the acting DNI which has been withheld.

So the committee can only nibble at the edges today because Barr's direction through the DOJ is that the DNI cannot follow the statute and give the complaint to the ICs because the contents of the complaint are privileged since they were relayed by the POTUS.

#161 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-19 12:53 PM | Reply

www.justsecurity.org

According to this the DNI is supposed to report it to Congress.

There's provisions for if an IG doesn't report to the DNI, but apparently none for if the DNI refuses.

#162 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-19 01:02 PM | Reply

complaint to the ICs because the contents of the complaint are privileged since they were relayed by the POTUS.

So...basically "it's not illegal if the POTUS does it".

At some point I would expect the Constitutional "scholars" of the DR to say enough is enough and demand Congressional oversight.

#163 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-19 01:05 PM | Reply

Stop clutching at pearls over this.

#159 | Posted by Avigdore

GFY.

What POTUS in the past century has been as brazenly corrupt as Trump? Is Nixon finally resting in peace since Trump has taken the mantle of most corrupt modern POTUS?

Stop being intellectually lazy and playing the "duuuhhh but everybody does it" card.

#164 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-19 01:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This is a national security issue - #156 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-19 12:36 PM |
Is your evidence of that the fact that The Office of the Director of National Intelligence and the Department of Justice determined that was not misconduct within Intelligence Community or something else?

#165 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-09-19 01:08 PM | Reply

At some point I would expect the Constitutional "scholars" of the DR to say enough is enough and demand Congressional oversight.

Posted by jpw

These self-proclaimed "strict contitutionalists" lose their moral compass when one of theirs controls government.

#166 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-19 01:09 PM | Reply

#156

Democrats have ample ammunition to take out Trump. They're too gutless to risk doing anything to make them feel unpopular. Democrat weakness is what's ruining our government. Democrats can't make anyone uncomfortable in case they're wrong.

This is more media like MSNBC and CNN misleading again. Same ol' song and dance. Gutless.

#167 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-09-19 01:10 PM | Reply

#161

Winning. This is why Republicans win. Dithering Democrats forever the doormat.

#168 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-09-19 01:12 PM | Reply

@#167 ... Democrats have ample ammunition to take out Trump. ...

Yes, they do.

However it is the Republicans in the Senate who are the gutless ones. All the Democrats can do is impeach. The Republicans in the Senate are the ones to convict.

Just look at how afraid Sen McConnell is to bring up gun legislation without the OK of Pres Trump.

If you want to talk about gutless, look at the Senate Republicans.


That aside. Don't you agree with the comment you replied to that this is a security issue?


#169 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-09-19 01:17 PM | Reply

"However it is the Republicans in the Senate who are the gutless ones. All the Democrats can do is impeach.
#169 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER "

So why don't they? They don't want that feather in their cap in 2020? They don't want to be able to say, "We impeached, but the Republicans won't convict", a mantra that would surely win votes.

#170 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-19 01:29 PM | Reply

#169

Because Republicans win. They'll win if it's wrong. Republicans win because they do. Democrats lose because they don't.

#171 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-09-19 01:35 PM | Reply

@#170 ... So why don't they? ...

As has been discussed many times here previously...

It's a highly-politicized election year. To impeach and not convict would hand Pres Trump a large political victory, larger than anything the Democrats could get out of it.

Given the "no collusion, no obstruction" tweets, I can imagine the "no conviction" tweets already. :)

There are many other things the Democrats could use to give the Republicans a good run. If only they'd use them.

#172 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-09-19 01:38 PM | Reply

What POTUS in the past century has been as brazenly corrupt as Trump? Is Nixon finally resting in peace since Trump has taken the mantle of most corrupt modern POTUS?
Stop being intellectually lazy and playing the "duuuhhh but everybody does it" card.
#164 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-19 01:08 PM

There is nothing corrupt about disagreeing with the legislature about the meaning and applicability of a law. That's why laws are written for lawyers and not plain English. It's not intellectually lazy to admit that this behavior, like it or not, has a long history in our country. Even parts of the ACA were struck down because a disagreement in applicability and constitutionality of the law. It isn't suddenly some new and outrageous thing. It is co-equal branches of government behaving as modern history dictates. You are pretending that somehow this is different because of the letter after the name of the guy currently in charge, or maybe it's just the color of his skin? Whatever. You're outraged at a long historical precedent.

#173 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-09-19 01:41 PM | Reply

What POTUS in the past century has been as brazenly corrupt as Trump?

Harding.

Possibly Obama - we'll have a better idea on that after the IG report gets released - hence "possibly."

#174 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-09-19 01:43 PM | Reply

#174 I was going to just answer with "Obama" to be a troll, but I changed my mind at the last moment.

#175 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-09-19 01:43 PM | Reply

"It's a highly-politicized election year. To impeach and not convict would hand Pres Trump a large political victory, larger than anything the Democrats could get out of it."

Aside from the point that justice should not be politicized (shame on you Dems!), considering the slow spinning wheels of justice, by the time articles of impeachment are drawn and attempts are made to remove from office, it will be election day. So concerns about not obtaining a conviction can be blamed on not having enough time. If the process is taking place, that is all that matters.

#176 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-19 01:47 PM | Reply

Well, it certainly looks as if Pres Trump does not know what is appropriate to say and when...

Trump talks up border wall -- a bit more than some would like
www.politico.com

...After allowing his acting heads of Homeland Security, Customs and Border Protection, and the Army Corps of Engineers to discuss other features of the wall, the president began to elaborate on the structure's technological assets.

"One thing we haven't mentioned is technology," Trump said. "They're wired so that we will know if somebody's trying to break through." He then offered the floor to Lt. Gen. Todd Semonite, acting head of the Army Corps, who quickly answered: "Sir, there could be some merit in not discussing that."...


No wonder foreign intelligence bureaus are reluctant to share information with Pres Trump.

#177 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-09-19 02:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Lt. Gen. Todd Semonite, acting head of the Army Corps, who quickly answered: "Sir, there could be some merit in not discussing that."...

That is one heck of a tactful reply

#178 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-19 02:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

LEE

Don't wipe the skin off with all your hand wringing

#179 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-19 02:05 PM | Reply

Read: Intelligence watchdog's letters about "urgent" whistleblower complaint
www.axios.com

...House Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) released Thursday 2 letters he received from Intelligence Community Inspector General Michael Atkinson detailing why he believes a whistleblower complaint is a matter of "urgent concern."...

#180 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-09-19 03:04 PM | Reply

I care about people being honest about who they are and what they really want.
That puts me on one side of a particular political divide.
#117 | POSTED BY ZED

Welcome to the party of individual rights and freedom.
The Republican party.

#181 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-09-19 03:09 PM | Reply

"Welcome to the party of individual rights and freedom.
The Republican party."

P.S. The right to choose your own gender, or gender pronoun, has been revoked.
Sincerely,
GOP

#182 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-19 03:15 PM | Reply

Harding.

Possibly Obama - we'll have a better idea on that after the IG report gets released - hence "possibly."

#174 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

LOL so you're using the second most frequently sited political scandal and Fox News conspiracy theories to shrug this off?

Oh and people went to jail for the Tea Pot Dome bribery. So I'd say Trump has Harding beat.

#183 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-19 03:37 PM | Reply

Just to understand all this, when the President calls a foreign leader, the following message starts the call...

"This call may be monitored or recorded for quality assurance and training purposes."

Our govt listens to a calls made by the President?

Of course, I'm sure other countries' leaders calls are 'monitored' internally, too.

I'd love to hear those convo's.

"Can you repeat that, Sir. I want to make sure I heard you right. Peace in our time. Sure, take the Checz Republic. Yeah, not Poland."

#184 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-09-19 03:46 PM | Reply

Is it just me, or is JEFF getting simultaneously really boring and annoying as these issues pile up for Trump?

At least the other trumpers are entertaining in their inanity.

#185 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-09-19 04:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Whistle blower report indicates Trump made "troubling" promises to foreign leader, which accumulated over numerous instances, not one single phone call.
www.cbsnews.com

That's not the language I would consider urgent nor dire. But, potentially, semantics will win out.

#186 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-09-19 04:54 PM | Reply

Steve Vladeck, a law professor at University of Texas Law, said that three key aspects of the reporting was "not fake news": 1) that the whistleblower complaint exists; 2) that the IG concluded the complaint was "credible"; 3) that the DNI did not forward the complaint to congressional intelligence committee.

Vladeck noted earlier " and others have highlighted this as well " that for this matter to "qualify as an urgent concern' under the Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act, 50 U.S.C. 3033(k)(5)(G)," the IG "had to conclude that the complaint identified conduct that meets the following statutory definition."

"(i) A serious or flagrant problem, abuse, violation of law or executive order, or deficiency relating to the funding, administration, or operation of an intelligence activity within the responsibility and authority of the director of national intelligence involving classified information, but does not include differences of opinion concerning public policy matters."

lawandcrime.com

#187 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-09-19 05:21 PM | Reply

I suppose EBERLY would be the only one concerned with #187 considering his blatant disregard for the term "urgent" as it is associated with this context.

#188 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-09-19 05:23 PM | Reply

The right to choose your own gender, or gender pronoun, has been revoked.
Sincerely,
GOP
#182 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

More fake news from the left. Their lies never stops.
#SAD

#189 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-09-19 06:02 PM | Reply

I don't know who the "foreign leader" is, but I'll bet his name rhymes with Bladimir Butin.

#190 | Posted by Xzapno_Mapcase at 2019-09-19 07:11 PM | Reply

You'd lose the bet. Reports out late indicate it's Ukraine:whistleblower-complaint-about-president-trump-involves-ukraine-according-to-two-people- familiar-with-the-matter
www.msn.com

#191 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-09-19 11:17 PM | Reply

If this whistleblower story turns out to be about Trump blackmailing the Ukraine, this should provide some insight as to how the whole thing began:

Ukrainian prosecutor manufactured Biden conspiracy to 'curry favor with Trump and Giuliani'

The Ukraine story that Rudy Giuliani has been pushing through the pages of The New York TImes and that Trump and his supporters have been trying to jump-start into a serious scandal is generating some genuine investigation over in Ukraine. But the results of that action aren't exactly what Giuliani was shooting for, as a Ukrainian lawmaker has accused the top prosecutor at the heart of the story's anti-Biden claims of simply "manufacturing a conspiracy."

According to Bloomberg, all the noise Giuliani has been making has drawn attention to the story from Ukrainian officials. But what those officials have found is what was already known before the Times starting acting as a mouthpiece for Giuliani's latest wild claims: There is no Biden scandal. But there certainly is a Giuliani scandal.

In 2016, then-Vice President Joe Biden went to Ukraine and spoke out against corruption, including calling for the resignation of a particularly notorious prosecutor. According to Giuliani, the reason Biden made this trip was to protect his son Hunter, who was on the board of holding company Burisma, owned by wealthy Ukrainian Mykola Zlochevsky. In the Rudy version, Biden wanted the prosecutor out because he was threatening Zlochevsky, and Zlochevsky was in turn threatening Hunter Biden's fat board member salary. In reality, the prosecutor was not going after either Zlochevsky or Burisma. In fact, it was the prosecutor's failure to cooperate with a U.K. case against Zlochevsky that caused Biden to demand his resignation. In other words, Giuliani isn't just wrong; he has the story completely backwards.

If anything, Biden's actions could have hurt Zlochevsky or Burisma by bringing in another prosecutor who would choose to conduct an investigation. Which is exactly what happened. Except that investigation found nothing wrong, and Zlochevsky was not charged.

A third prosecutor"the one visited in person by Giuliani"is at the heart of what looks to be a genuine corruption-based scandal. In which Giuliani is the source of the corruption. Giuliani not only made it clear that the U.S. wanted dirt on Biden, but he also connected the prosecutor directly with Donald Trump so that Trump could share his excitement over the idea of setting up Biden. Then the prosecutor drafted a letter to try to generate the scandal that Giuliani requested. Only now that letter itself is being shredded as a genuine hoax.

AND:
Ukraine Prosecutor Made Up Biden Claim, Kiev Lawmaker Says

Alleged bid to curry favor with Trump and Giuliani draws ire

#192 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-20 02:48 AM | Reply

What we KNOW happened for sure is that Guiliani tried to stir up a scandal out of thin air to pin dirt on Biden. That didn't pan out for him.

What's possible is that Trump called the new president and threatened to withhold promised military funding unless they followed through with pinning false charges on Biden to knock out Biden and help with Trump's reelection bid.

Just a guess on the second part, but the known pieces are there for that to be at the heart of at least one aspect of the whistleblower's complaint.

#193 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-20 02:56 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Rudy Giuliani says he didn't ask Ukraine to investigate Biden " and then says he did

www.cbsnews.com

The pieces are there if Trump's withdrawing military aid to Ukraine and Giuliani's shenanigans there have something to do with the whistleblower complaint. Guess we'll find out soon enough ...

#194 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-20 03:15 AM | Reply

AU

So when Giuliani failed, Trump decided it was to to him to add the booster shot. (threat)

Tit-for`tat happens all the time in foreign policy but, in this case the "tat" was for Trump's personal gain. I'm sure that's a no-no and the reason why Trump is trying to hide the transcript.

Interesting to note that after Trump delivered his "promise" of retaliation, his next phone call to a "foreign leader" was to Vladimir Putin.

#195 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-09-20 04:43 AM | Reply

Giuliani admits to asking Ukraine about Joe Biden after denying it 30 seconds earlier
Rudy ordered the Code Red and he's gottdam proud of it!

#196 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-20 06:29 AM | Reply

Oh, btw...

My crystal ball take: ...the DOJ signed off that the subject content of the call itself falls under the umbrella of executive privilege and regardless of the statute in question Trump has the right to keep his own machinations from Congressional oversight.

The next steps will be (in no particular order) to declare the whistleblower "an angry Democrat" (even though this person was employed in Trump's White House)....

#31 | POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2019-09-19 08:46 AM

"The reality is the president of the United States has every right to say to another leader of a foreign country, you got to straighten up before we give you a lot of money,' " Giuliani said. "It is perfectly appropriate for [Trump] to ask a foreign government to investigate this massive crime that was made by a former vice president."

When Cuomo directed the conversation back to Trump, Giuliani tried to discredit the whistleblower, saying without any evidence, that the person "could be a Democrat holdover trying to destroy Donald Trump."

Check.

Somebody, let Eberly know....

#197 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-20 06:40 AM | Reply

Rudy Giuliani says he didn't ask Ukraine to investigate Biden " and then says he did

Rudy is the one of the biggest bumbling fools that Fat Nixon has.

How much drugs has he done that turned him from one the most respected men in America into what we see now?

#198 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-09-20 07:06 AM | Reply

Anything this President does is an attempt to obstruct an investigation into possible wrongdoing by the executive branch.
Including trying to get restarted an investigation into possible wrongdoing by the executive branch.
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#199 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-09-20 10:42 AM | Reply

In morning tweets, Trump also asserted, without citing any evidence, that the complaint itself was "highly partisan."
Check.

#200 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-20 11:10 AM | Reply

Look at all the Big Thinkers. You don't have a GD clue what it's about but call for his head. This movie has been remade 4 times in less than 3 years, but the ending always makes you look stupid. Way to piss away your chances in 2020.

#201 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-09-20 01:46 PM | Reply

"This movie has been remade 4 times in less than 3 years, but the ending always makes you look stupid."
#201

They all end the same. A Ken Burns-style pan of a still of Mitch McConnell, leering into the camera lens with pinkie extended to mouth corner, doctor evil style, a nefarious turtle of treachery.

#202 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2019-09-20 02:09 PM | Reply

By dragging him into you prove your point....it's under your hat.

#203 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-09-20 02:14 PM | Reply

Just in
Anonymous sources are claiming that the subversive calls were Trump asking Trudough for free maple syrup. Liberals now hate pancakes.

#204 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-09-20 02:50 PM | Reply

Adam Shifferbrains says he asked about a pencil neck cure.

#205 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-09-20 03:05 PM | Reply

The latest media-manufactured faux scandal is that Trump needs to be impeached because he a told a foreign leader to rein in corruption. Oh, and Joe Biden, who *bragged on camera* about bribing Ukraine to fire a prosecutor investigating his son's company, should be president.
twitter.com

#206 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-20 10:27 PM | Reply

"As Democrats lose their minds, just remember Ukraine meddled in the 2016 election on behalf of Democrats/Clinton, Biden offered quid pro quo got prosecutor fired who was invest. his son and was cleared just DAYS b4 #Zelensky took power."

twitter.com

#207 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-09-20 10:40 PM | Reply

That's not the language I would consider urgent nor dire. But, potentially, semantics will win out.
#186 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

TonyDrama says it's an urgent national security matter.

#208 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-09-20 11:16 PM | Reply

>Trump Promise to Foreign Leader
>a tense showdown between the U.S. intelligence community and Congress involves President Trump's communications with a foreign leader
>ctrl+F "israel"
>nothing

The third rail of politics in the disunited states of isntreal

#209 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-09-21 02:53 AM | Reply

www.youtube.com

#210 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-09-21 02:55 AM | Reply

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