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Thursday, September 19, 2019

For years, wind and solar power were derided as boondoggles. They were too expensive, the argument went, to build without government handouts. Today, renewable energy is so cheap that the handouts they once needed are disappearing. On sun-drenched fields across Spain and Italy, developers are building solar farms without subsidies or tax-breaks, betting they can profit without them. In China, the government plans to stop financially supporting new wind farms. And in the U.S., developers are signing shorter sales contracts, opting to depend on competitive markets for revenue once the agreements expire.

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Great. No need for a New Green Scheme and trillions of dollars of subsidies.

#1 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-19 01:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#1

We should eliminate the huge subsidies for the fossil-fuels as well.

#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-09-19 01:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Solar...

It's JUST getting started...

www.proudgreenhome.com

A decade from now... it will be so common... you wouldn't give it a second thought....

#3 | Posted by Pegasus at 2019-09-19 02:45 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#3

That's pretty sweet.

Kind of makes me think of Heinlein's "The Roads Must Roll" with solar panels over the roadways to create "road cities". Obviously different but when they said painting streets with it that's where my mind took me.

#4 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2019-09-19 03:10 PM | Reply

#4 -- I saw an interesting concept once in Pop Science, I think. It waw a large inverted hyperbolic shaped black funnel . The bottom of the funnel as flat,(think horn of a tuba) about a mile in diameter, and mounted 20 or so feet above the ground.

At the top of the funnel, about 40 feet across was a turbine that captured the uprising air which was calculated to be moving at about 200 MPG and turned it into electricity.

Under the funnel (unrelated to power generation of course) there was always a gentle breeze moving from the outside towards the center. The constant shade provided a place to put a small town protectd from the desert sun.

#5 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-19 03:35 PM | Reply

Kind of makes me think of Heinlein's "The Roads Must Roll" with solar panels over the roadways to create "road cities". Obviously different but when they said painting streets with it that's where my mind took me.

#4 | Posted by TaoWarrior

I've read about plans in various locales planning to put solar panels on crosswalks and roadways. They just installed the world's first solar roadway in France. Looks like there are companies selling panels for crosswalks and roadways. Heinlein may have seen the future ...

www.google.com

#6 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-19 03:35 PM | Reply

A decade from now... it will be so common... you wouldn't give it a second thought....

#3 | POSTED BY PEGASUS AT 2019-09-19 02:45 PM | FLAG:

Clearly. The commercial support is flooding in.

On their indiegogo...
$411 USD 18 backers
0% of $100,000

#7 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-09-19 03:57 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

That's in the last 4 years btw. That company and product don't exist anymore.

#8 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-09-19 03:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Great. No need for a New Green Scheme and trillions of dollars of subsidies.

#1 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2019-09-19 01:27 PM | REPLY |

We subsidized oil and gas for 120 years we should give the same benefits to solar and wind

#9 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-09-19 05:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

So, solar and wind will be the energy of the future so let's kill the nuclear energy push once and for all. Solar and wind will never turn cities, counties or states into toxic wastelands like Fujushima or Chernobyl. The U.S. government will never have to insure alternative energy sources because no insuance company would ever accept such huge risk. We won't threaten our environment with nuclear waste. End nuclear energy crazy ideas once and for all. Now we can, safely, affordably, intelligently.

#10 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-20 07:06 AM | Reply

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#10 | Posted by danni I wonder if the electricity produced by wind and solar would be competitive if it were taxed at the same rate as conventional generation or the government's subsidies ended?

#11 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-09-20 08:48 AM | Reply

"#10 | Posted by danni I wonder if the electricity produced by wind and solar would be competitive if it were taxed at the same rate as conventional generation or the government's subsidies ended?"

I wonder if nuclear energy would be affordable if the companies producing it had to buy liability insurance on the open market instead of having it supplied by the federal government? How much do you think the liabilities from Fukushima added up to? Like hundreds of billions of dollars and the costs haven't stopped yet.

#12 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-20 09:25 AM | Reply

#12 | Posted by danni I would imagine we would not have the bad judgement to put such a plant on a fault.

#13 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-09-20 10:24 AM | Reply

We should eliminate the huge subsidies for the fossil-fuels as well.

#2 | Posted by LampLighter

What are they lam?

#14 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-09-20 01:04 PM | Reply

I wonder if the electricity produced by wind and solar would be competitive if it were taxed at the same rate as conventional generation or the government's subsidies ended?
#11 | Posted by docnjo

No it would not. Sun goes down every night and there are many days the wind does not blow. Is the green deal gonna ---- power?

#15 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-09-20 01:08 PM | Reply

Great. No need for a New Green Scheme and trillions of dollars of subsidies.

#1 | Posted by nullifidian

And no a peep about oil subsidies you dumb sucker.

#16 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-20 01:37 PM | Reply

The Hidden Subsidy of Fossil Fuels
www.theatlantic.com
A new report says that the world subsidized fossil fuels by $5.2 trillion in just one year.

www.theguardian.com
America spends over $20bn per year on fossil fuel subsidies.

#17 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-20 01:40 PM | Reply

United States Spend Ten Times More On Fossil Fuel Subsidies Than Education
www.forbes.com
US spent on these subsidies in 2015 is more than the country's defense budget and 10 times the federal spending for education
A new International Monetary Fund (IMF) study shows that USD$5.2 trillion was spent globally on fossil fuel subsidies in 2017. The equivalent of over 6.5% of global GDP of that year, it also represented a half-trillion dollar increase since 2015 when China ($1.4 trillion), the United States ($649 billion) and Russia ($551 billion) were the largest subsidizers.

#18 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-20 01:41 PM | Reply

And no a peep about oil subsidies you dumb sucker.

POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2019-09-20 01:37 PM | REPLY

www.walmart.com

#19 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-09-20 01:43 PM | Reply

Wow. Nothing kills a thread about green energy subsidies like pointing out oil industry subsidies.

#20 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-20 07:06 PM | Reply

"Wow. Nothing kills a thread about green energy subsidies like pointing out oil industry subsidies.

#20 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY"

It looks like party affiliation is split between posters. But I see that you've got the most posts of any single person, so perhaps it's your radiant personality keeping everyone away.

#21 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-20 07:28 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

But I see that you've got the most posts of any single person

#21 | Posted by goatman

Oh you mean the posts where I introduced facts into the subject and chased away the fossil fuel puppets?

#22 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-20 07:50 PM | Reply

"Oh you mean the posts where I introduced facts into the subject and chased away the fossil fuel puppets?

#22 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY"

Call 'em what you want. You have the most and both sides are staying away.

BTW, you never answered me about what was so horrible about San Antonio. I presume you avoided the question because the answer would embarrass you. It's the brown people here that you despise, isn't' it? If not them, then what?

#23 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-20 07:52 PM | Reply

Call 'em what you want. You have the most and both sides are staying away.

#23 | Posted by goatman

I call them links filled with facts. Like insecticide for polluter's little roaches.

And at least the roaches were smart enough to end it there.

You can't refute the facts either, so instead you are trying to make yet ANOTHER thread about you for some pathetic masochistic reason related to your twisted psychological problems.

#24 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-20 08:26 PM | Reply

Again, speaksoftly, what is so horrible about San Antonio. It's the brown people you dispise about the place, isn't it? They make up 2/3 of the population and you can't stand that. Therefore, you call the entire city horrible.

#25 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-20 08:34 PM | Reply

Again, speaksoftly, what is so horrible about San Antonio. It's the brown people you dispise about the place, isn't it? They make up 2/3 of the population and you can't stand that. Therefore, you call the entire city horrible.

#25 | Posted by goatman

MEMEMEME MAKE THE THREAD ABOUT ME!! DOO IT!

#26 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-20 08:40 PM | Reply

"MEMEMEME MAKE THE THREAD ABOUT ME!! DOO IT!

#26 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY"

Actually I'm asking you about why you hate San Antonio, nothing about myself. You are very confused.

So again, why do you hate San Antonio?

#27 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-20 08:42 PM | Reply

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