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Tonyroma: The Times reported Thursday that IG Michael Atkinson told lawmakers in a private briefing Thursday that the whistleblower's concerns involve multiple instances rather than a single promise. A person familiar with the whistle-blower's complaint said it involved in part a commitment that Mr. Trump made in a communication with another world leader. No single communication was at the root of the complaint, another person familiar with it said.

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I know the one the White House is most worried about.

Trump told the President of Ukraine that if he turned over incriminating evidence regarding Joe Biden's son that he would release the $250 million in funds he's holding up over the objections of Congress. Straight up quid pro quo.

It's almost certain that the whistleblower listens in to Trump's calls as a matter of his job with the intel department. Trump truly thinks that everyone inside the government loves him as President or are two cowed by his power to do him any harm.

Trump probably told Putin that he planned on cutting NATO funding too, and who knows what else.

I certainly hope the whistleblower is already doing whatever the law proscribes for circumventing the DNI blockade so they can go straight to Congress. If so, all this sturm and drang is just to keep Barr and Trump distracted.

People, this is pretty obvious here and Trump isn't even trying very hard to hide it. He's presidenting for what's best for HIM, not the nation. And he may be conspiring against the United States in the process.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-19 08:54 PM | Reply

"Up, up and away in my beautiful, my beautiful balloooooooon!" Tony, the 5th Dimension

#2 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-09-19 09:17 PM | Reply

Oh, another Tony Truther thread.

*yawn*

#3 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-19 09:20 PM | Reply

Rut roh....!

Whistleblower complaint about Trump involves Ukraine, say people familiar with the matter

A whistleblower complaint about President Trump made by an intelligence official centers on Ukraine, according to two people familiar with the matter, which has set off a struggle between Congress and the executive branch.

The complaint involved communications with a foreign leader and a "promise" that Trump made, which was so alarming that a U.S. intelligence official who had worked at the White House went to the inspector general of the intelligence community, two former U.S. officials said.

Two and a half weeks before the complaint was filed, Trump spoke with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, a comedian and political newcomer who was elected in a landslide in May.

#4 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-19 09:23 PM | Reply

"Up, up and away in my beautiful, my beautiful balloooooooon!" Tony, the 5th Dimension

Music thread!

www.youtube.com

#5 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-19 09:27 PM | Reply

The complaint involved communications with a foreign leader and a "promise" that Trump made, which was so alarming that a U.S. intelligence official who had worked at the White House went to the inspector general of the intelligence community,

Does this bother any of you conservatives? Anybody......? Bueller....? Bueller....?

Or are you going to trash whomever the whistleblower is for putting their country ahead of this President?

#6 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-19 09:31 PM | Reply

--, sheep. All I have to do is see the words 'beautiful balloon' and that insipid and sappy song becomes an earworm burrowing deeply into my brain. Typically it takes days to kill it. I know better than to click Nulli's link, or it will take even longer.

#7 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-19 09:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Anybody remember this from 2 weeks ago?

Is Trump Strong-Arming Ukraine Into 2020 Election Meddling?

Donald Trump is attempting to force Ukraine president, Volodymyr Zelensky to intervene in the 2020 U.S. presidential election by launching an investigation of the leading Democratic candidate, Joe Biden. Mr. Trump is not just soliciting Ukraine's help with his presidential campaign; he is using U.S. military aid the country desperately needs in an attempt to extort it. READ MORE

POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 06:32 PM | 23 COMMENTS

2 weeks.... Seems like light years ago.

#8 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-19 09:36 PM | Reply

Haha. C'mon goatman, this is great, corny hippy-dippy stuff, but it's very groovy.

www.youtube.com

#9 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-19 09:36 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

This and the coverup are going to force impeachment.

#10 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-19 09:39 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

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Saw a scroll saying one of the whistleblower's claims has to do with the Ukraine. Remember Trump withheld military aid to them? Probably offered a quid pro quo if they'd trump up some BS on Biden, which Republicans are hell bent on doing by hook or (mostly) crook. Saw crazy Rudy trying to make the case there was some 'there' that isn't there.

Since the whistleblower reportedly included several events, that's probably just the blackmail attempt. Guess we'll find out what the other calls were about. Putin and 2020 election help? Kim and a Trump resort in North Korea? Anything's possible.

#11 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-19 09:50 PM | Reply

#9 I can deal with Aquarius. In fact, I actually watched the whole video. Better that stuck in my head than Beautiful Balloon. I also liked Hair. Never saw the theatrical version, but I liked the movie that came out in the late '70s

#12 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-19 09:53 PM | Reply

This and the coverup are going to force impeachment.

Or if the Republicans rally up, ignore the truth, and try to defend what Trump's likely done, instead it'll be some form of civil war.

Trying to subvert the election is a conspiracy against the US and confirms Trump understands all too well what Russia did in 2016.

And in my mind, if Pence doesn't come correct really quickly, he's just as guilty as Trump is for faithfully defending the indefensible.

#13 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-19 09:54 PM | Reply

Meddling in Ukrainian politics certainly paid off for Paul Manafort--before it didn't. If this story is true, it's not hard to see why Donnie probably thought the new Ukrainian president might be an easy mark:

"Two and a half weeks before the complaint was filed, Trump spoke with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, a comedian and political newcomer who was elected in a landslide in May."

#14 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-19 09:55 PM | Reply

"This and the coverup are going to force impeachment.

#10 | POSTED BY ZED :

Yeah, right.

#15 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-19 09:56 PM | Reply

Remember, too, that Manafort first ran the "Lock her up!" campaign in Ukraine. Donnie hoping for dirt on Biden and a 2020 chant of "Lock him up!" if Biden gets the nomination? Or maybe during the primaries to help knock Biden out if he doesn't stumble sufficiently on his own?

#16 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-19 10:02 PM | Reply

Barr is going to get an anvil dropped on him for manipulating the DOJ into the Trump Protection Agency. Can anyone believe the highest law enforcement official in the land is actively covering up an apparent quid pro quo that gives US taxpayer dollars in exchange for documentation that's only purpose is to personally help the President, not the nation.

Hey, this is on the GOP now. The Democrats should shut up and let the cards hit the table, then stare at them and say "Whatcha gonna do?"

If they choose to side with Trump, hit the streets all over America and shut this mother down until the criminals are no longer in control of the police.

#17 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-19 10:04 PM | Reply

Let'a see what a dose of open Trump criminality does to the political landscape.

#18 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-19 10:10 PM | Reply

I do know that some will argue that Trump has no obligation to be honest with the American people.

#19 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-19 10:14 PM | Reply

Trump is today arguing in court that he has the prerogatives of a king.

#20 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-19 10:16 PM | Reply

I do know that some here will agree that Trump is in fact, king.

#21 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-19 10:17 PM | Reply

I know that some here will choose "king " over country.

#22 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-19 10:18 PM | Reply

Does the whistleblower have corroboration, evidence, or audio?

Just call me curious.

#23 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-09-19 10:18 PM | Reply

Jesus, Zed, assemble your thoughts in Notepad.

#24 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-09-19 10:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Who knows, you disgusting toad? Trump is hiding the evidence.

#25 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-19 10:22 PM | Reply

"Does the whistleblower have corroboration, evidence, or audio?"

Enough to persuade Trump's IC IG to label the complaint credible and urgent, something he doesn't do as a matter of course apparently.

#26 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-19 10:22 PM | Reply

He likes to see the magic words, "posted by Zed."

The more of them, the more his POV is self-validated.

#27 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-19 10:24 PM | Reply

Posted by Zed.

#28 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-19 10:30 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I think zed found the nutmeg he said he hid from his sons so they wouldn't get high on it.

#29 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-19 10:34 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Enough to persuade Trump's IC IG to label the complaint credible and urgent, something he doesn't do as a matter of course apparently.
#26 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

If proven true, Gal, this may be the first time history that a sitting president dangled a carrot.

#30 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-09-19 10:34 PM | Reply

Can anyone imagine Dan Coats or Sue Gordon withholding the whistleblower complaint and defying Congressional authority because Trump told them to, just like his "acting" DNI Maguire currently is?

Why do you think they "resigned" and left their posts on August 15th?

One continuous unrelenting shiite show.

#31 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-19 10:58 PM | Reply

Most of the fill information is already out in the public. Today it took on a different light.

President Donald Trump's phone call with a foreign leader that has become the focus of a complaint to the director of national intelligence's inspector general involved Ukraine, multiple sources familiar with the matter tell ABC News.

According to a readout released from the White House, Trump spoke with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on July 25 "to congratulate him on his recent election."

A more extensive readout from the Ukrainian president's office, however, noted that the two also spoke about "investigations into corruption cases that have hampered interaction between Ukraine and the U.S.A."

Former USA Joyce Vance just dropped this bomb on Twitter:
If this turns out to be what the whistleblower complaint is about & it's accurate, Trump must leave office immediately. A president can't offer US aid to a foreign country in exchange for prosecution of a political opponent. Heaven help us if we can't all agree on that.
Joyce is quite the wild-eyed optimist like that.

#32 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-19 11:17 PM | Reply

And in my mind, if Pence doesn't come correct really quickly, he's just as guilty as Trump is for faithfully defending the indefensible.

#13 | POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2019-09-19 09:54 PM

Too late.

Anita Kumar
@anitakumar01
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@VP spoke by phone yesterday with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyyz. Trump plans to meet him next week

8:53 PM Sep 19, 2019

Pence is in it too.

#33 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-20 08:52 AM | Reply

Nothing says I am a "conservative" today quite like excusing Tax Payers Dollars be used for opposition research.

#34 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-09-20 09:19 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

For those unfamiliar with how the Ukraine and Trump are controversially tied, here is a quick synopsis with supporting background links:

And if you've been following the news closely over the last few weeks, this doesn't necessarily come as a major surprise. Trump, putting aside the Pentagon's guidance, recently held off on delivering promised military aid to Ukraine, and according to the Washington Post, it's because the American president hoped to leverage the aid as part of an extortion scheme: Trump reportedly told Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky that if his country wanted the military assistance, his country would have to assist the Trump campaign by investigating Joe Biden.

If you're wondering why in the world Ukraine would have anything to do with the 2020 race in the United States in the first place, the New York Times published a curious article in May, raising questions about Joe Biden's work several years ago on a government-reform effort in Ukraine. There was some suggestion that the Delaware Democrat's son may have benefited, but the claims of possible wrongdoing quickly unraveled, and the story went largely overlooked.

Trump and his team, however, believe that if they dig hard enough on this, there may be some dirt they could use.

It's against this backdrop that Trump reportedly made a "promise" that centered on Ukraine that was so provocative that a U.S. intelligence official filed a complaint with the inspector general of the intelligence community.

Steve Benen

#35 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-20 09:50 AM | Reply

Pelosi won't do anything. What you are seeing is the failure of the Rule of Law in America. Democrats are gutless. It's why they never win. That and they can't turn out voters.

#36 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-09-20 10:51 AM | Reply

After 3 years of 'investigate any wrongdoing no matter by who'.
Anything this President does is an attempt to obstruct an investigation into possible wrongdoing by the executive branch.
Including trying to get restarted an investigation into possible wrongdoing by the executive branch.
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#37 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-09-20 10:51 AM | Reply

twitter.com


Joyce Alene
Verified account @JoyceWhiteVance

Joyce Alene added,

If this turns out to be what the whistleblower complaint is about & it's accurate, Trump must leave office immediately. A president can't offer US aid to a foreign country in exchange for prosecution of a political opponent. Heaven help us if we can't all agree on that.

Joyce Alene Retweeted Greg Miller


Greg Miller
Verified account @gregpmiller

What did Trump "promise" the leader of Ukraine? TBD, but important context: US has been holding back millions in military/intel aid for Ukraine. At same time, Giuliani has made clear Trump team wants Ukraine to pursue probe that might implicate son of Joe Biden.




#38 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-09-20 04:05 PM | Reply

twitter.com


[Sen] Chris Murphy
Verified account @ChrisMurphyCT
19h19 hours ago

A few weeks ago in Ukraine, I met w President Zelensky and we discussed the surprise cut off of aid and the inappropriate demands the Trump campaign was making of him. The obvious question everyone in Kiev was asking was - were the two things connected?


#39 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-09-20 04:12 PM | Reply

Trump Repeatedly Pressed Ukraine President to Investigate Biden's Son
www.wsj.com

...Interactions under focus amid whistleblower complaint on U.S. president's dealings with a world leader

President Trump in a July phone call repeatedly pressured the president of Ukraine to investigate Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden's son, urging Volodymyr Zelensky about eight times to work with Rudy Giuliani, his personal lawyer, on a probe, according to people familiar with the matter.

"He told him that he should work with [Mr. Giuliani] on Biden, and that people in Washington wanted to know" whether allegations were true or not, one of the people said. Mr. Trump didn't mention a provision of foreign aid to Ukraine...



#40 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-09-20 05:15 PM | Reply

Trump/Prison 2020

#41 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-09-20 05:24 PM | Reply

"Trump/Prison 2020

#41 | POSTED BY ABORTED_MONSON "

First he has to be impeached and convicted of a crime. That's how things work.

And the democrats have to start the impeachment process, but they are too scaredly cat. That's how they work.

#42 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-20 05:29 PM | Reply

Does the whistleblower have corroboration, evidence, or audio?

Just call me curious.

#23 | Posted by SheepleSchism

It's really dumb posts like this that make me wonder if some people here ever read anything on a topic - especially one like this - or are just being willfully ignorant.

So to clarify for you sheep, the IG is required to investigate whistleblower complaints. If the IG finds credible evidence and or corroboration from other witnesses the IG is to report it to the intelligence committees in congress. The word is "shall" in the law - not may, should, can, etc but SHALL. The IG in this case found this to be credible AND urgent. The IG was appointed by Trump. And the supposed whistleblower was also appointed by Trump. So this isn't some "liberuhl" witch hunt - this is his own people turning on the rat.

How can you people continue to defend this pig? I get more disgusted by the day by his ACTUAL actions and this is starting to sound like some more pretty egregious S--t coming to light. If this were Obama or Clinton or insert name here from the Democratic party you guys would be flipping out.

#43 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-09-20 06:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#43 | POSTED BY GALAXIEPETE

I can't give you enough Newsworthies! I wonder why posters leap into a topic criticizing other people when they obviously haven't read the article nor understand the details of the issue.

One clarification that I only learned after the fact: The label "Urgent Concern" is an expressed designation that has to meet statutory requirements. It is a specific type of whistleblower complaint, and is obviously self-indicative. As you noted the IG agreed that the contents of the complaint met the designation requirements and then took the next step in the process as he should.

What hasn't be done by the letter of the statute is the mandated sharing of the complaint by the DNI within 7 days of him receiving it. So by definition, the complaint's withholding by the DNI is a direct violation of the statute, but at present the Justice Department has no plans to hold him accountable because THEY are the ones claiming (outside the law) that the complaint is about a topic that has some form of executive privilege attached, thereby usurping the law.

#44 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-20 07:24 PM | Reply

What hasn't been done....

#45 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-20 07:25 PM | Reply

#43 cont.

Thinking further about your post makes me realize that most people probably don't even know what the Intelligence Community's Whistleblower process even is beyond its seemingly simplistic name.

First, the Intelligence Community's leaders have spent much time creating a system where employees can file observer-complaints and receive needed protections against reprisal as long as they follow the steps in the process. The process also protects the complainant from violating any laws based on illegal handling and dissemination of classified information that may occur related to the complaint itself.

And the process also guarantees that the information in the complaint will be independently judged by the IC IG. The IG's investigation and corroboration (done without exposing the whistleblower) triggered the escalation of the complaint as the next step in the process. The rest of the story is all over the posts on this thread and many others.

But the larger points are the whistleblower process is not something anyone undertakes unless something's really, really, perhaps career ending important. It's not something a person would do for politics alone, particularly someone who apparently worked competently in their intelligence position, especially being so close to the White House and the President himself. I doubt this is an overtly political person, but by virtue of their act, they did draw a lines between what they deemed as right and wrong, and legal and illegal.

Whistleblowing within the intelligence community is likely a fairly rare occurrence. Somebody reported something that has now changed their life forever. No way in hell that they did it for politics like Trump and his attack dogs are already saying. They're actively trying to intimidate anyone else inside the IC thinking about anything similar.

#46 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-20 10:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If the IG finds credible evidence and or corroboration from other witnesses the IG is to report it to the intelligence committees in congress. - #43 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-09-20 06:43 PM
Hey look, 2 noteworthy votes on a post with that false statement ^^^^^. Quelle surpise.

Here's the truth, at least as far as it is being reported:
"The next step, per the ICWPA, is that Atkinson [the IG] had to send the complaint along to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) " currently headed by Joseph Maguire, who has filled the post of director of national intelligence (DNI)"

www.vox.com

#47 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-09-21 05:21 PM | Reply

Does cutting pay as well as pasting or is it a package deal? One wonders. This could be a Warren dirty trick as it smears Biden and Trump. But mostly Biden.

#48 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-09-22 01:52 AM | Reply

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