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Friday, September 20, 2019

A whistleblower complaint about President Trump made by an intelligence official centers on Ukraine, according to two people familiar with the matter, which has set off a struggle between Congress and the executive branch.

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What did Fat Nixon promise them in exchange for dirt on Biden?

"Trump spoke with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, a comedian "

What a coincidence, we have a joke as a president.

#1 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-09-20 07:03 AM | Reply

drudge.com

Conversation already underway.

Title doesn't contain the word Ukraine, but that's what it's about.

#2 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-20 07:13 AM | Reply

Trump is currently holding up funds which were promised to Ukraine for armaments to defend themselves against Russian invaders.

#3 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-20 08:33 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump is an evil piece of crap BTW. I have a grandson 30 miles from the combat in Ukraine. A brilliant young man who is in college there to become a judge. Ukraine is a sovereign nation but Trump sees it as something he can hand over to Vlad. Vlad must have some powerful goods on Trump to own him so completely.

#4 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-20 08:36 AM | Reply

What you are seeing is the failure of the Rule of Law in America. Democrats won't do anything.

#5 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-09-20 10:45 AM | Reply

I remember the Nixon Presidency, there was an obvious odor at the time. I'm smelling it again.

#6 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-20 10:54 AM | Reply

A couple weeks ago I asked what should have fmr Dir Comey done instead of going public with his concerns about Pres Trump's actions. I was told by some here that fmr Dir Comey should have gone to the Inspector General.

Given the extensive and intensive level of stonewalling we are seeing from the White House in this matter, one can almost see why fmr Dir Comey took a a different approach.

#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-09-20 11:08 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#5 ... What you are seeing is the failure of the Rule of Law in America. Democrats won't do anything. ...

At least the Democrats are trying.

Why aren't the Republicans helping instead of the 'head in the sand' them seem to be doing?

#8 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-09-20 11:09 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Yep leaving office in disgrace.

#9 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-09-20 11:13 AM | Reply

Threatening to withhold foreign aid unless a country investigates your political opponent is incredibly filthy. Trumpers won't care.

#10 | Posted by JOE at 2019-09-20 11:21 AM | Reply

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Threatening to withhold foreign aid unless a country investigates your political opponent is incredibly filthy. Trumpers won't care.

#10 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2019-09-20 11:21 AM | REPLY

And, yet, these are the same people who get the vapors over the Steele Dossier (which Republicans also initially arranged for, ironically).

#11 | Posted by anton at 2019-09-20 11:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Rudy Giuliani says he didn't ask Ukraine to investigate Biden - and then says he did
www.cbsnews.com

...[President Trump's personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani] explained to host Chris Cuomo, "I found out this incredible story about Joe Biden, that he bribed the president of the Ukraine in order to fire a prosecutor who was investigating his son."

Cuomo asked Giuliani, "Did you ask the Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden?"

"No, actually I didn't," Giuliani responded. "I asked the Ukraine to investigate the allegations that there was interference in the election of 2016 by the Ukrainians for the benefit of Hillary Clinton ""

Cuomo pressed him, "You never asked anything about Hunter Biden? You never asked anything about Joe Biden?"

Giuliani replied that "the only thing I asked about Joe Biden" was to get to the bottom of how it was that the prosecutor who had been appointed to investigate Biden dismissed the case against him.

"So you did ask Ukraine to look into Joe Biden," Cuomo asked.

"Of course I did," said Giuliani....



#12 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-09-20 11:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Threatening to withhold foreign aid unless a country investigates your political opponent is incredibly filthy. Trumpers won't care.

#10 | POSTED BY JOE

The word you are looking for is Illegal.

#13 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-09-20 11:58 AM | Reply

""Knowing all of this, is anybody dumb enough to believe that I would say something inappropriate with a foreign leader while on such a potentially heavily populated' call," Trump wrote. "

Um...DUH. Like in most cases, there are millions of people dumb enough to believe these accusations without any proof yet. But, on the other side, there is a country full of people who already assume you aren't very intelligent when it comes to what you say, and you provide plenty of evidence of that...so, yeah, there are lots of people who think you are dumb enough and their opinion is valid based on your history. This is the very basis of why you are such easy fodder for the media. If you weren't so bad at keeping your tongue in check, the media would be able to concentrate on things that are actually real news.

#14 | Posted by humtake at 2019-09-20 11:59 AM | Reply

Trump on whistleblower complaint: Focus should be on Biden instead
thehill.com

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President Trump on Friday dismissed growing scrutiny over a whistleblower complaint that reportedly raised concerns about a conversation he had with a Ukrainian leader, saying the focus should instead be on Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden's ties to Ukraine during his time as vice president.

"It doesn't matter what I discussed, but I'll tell you this, somebody ought to look into Joe Biden's statement," Trump told reporters in the Oval Office during a meeting with the Australian prime minister.

The president added that his conversations with foreign leaders are "always appropriate."

Trump said he did not know who the whistleblower is but derided the complaint as "partisan" and "ridiculous" and asserted that Biden is getting a pass because he's a Democrat.

"The fake news doesn't look into things like that," he said. "It's a disgrace."...


Pres Trump: "It doesn't matter what I discussed"

Actually, it does.

This is not how I would expect someone who is as innocent as he says he is to act.

There may be some fire behind all of this smoke.

#15 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-09-20 12:03 PM | Reply

@#14 ... without any proof yet. ...

Personally, that is why I want to see the IG request unblocked by the White House.

Pres Trump's behavior in this matter, while not direct proof, is adding to circumstantial evidence.

Pres Trump has stated that the Mueller Report totally exonerated him. So why would Pres Trump be afraid of an investigation into this matter?

#16 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-09-20 12:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The word you are looking for is Illegal.
#13 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

I try to avoid making such declarations because my horde of ankle biters will swoop in and say "please describe the exact conduct you believe to be illegal in explicit detail and cite to the exact criminal statute and sub-sub-subsection you believe has been violated" even though when i do that they just run away anyways.

#17 | Posted by JOE at 2019-09-20 12:15 PM | Reply

I don't see the problem as long they provide a dossier. There may credible evidence that Biden may be compromised, this must be investigated. We haven't seen proof that Biden hasn't done anything wrong yet.

#18 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-09-20 12:40 PM | Reply

YOU LIBS HAVe million un-named sources.

#19 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-09-20 01:03 PM | Reply

"there are millions of people dumb enough to believe these accusations without any proof yet"

like this one

"We haven't seen proof that Biden hasn't done anything wrong yet"

#20 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-09-20 01:08 PM | Reply

"We haven't seen proof that Biden hasn't done anything wrong yet."

Guilty until proven innocent.

#21 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-20 01:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I hope Ukraine isn't banking on anything from President ------.

He's not gonna give them a gosh darn thing... He doesn't even give a s*it about Americans.

#22 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2019-09-20 01:50 PM | Reply

The silver lining, now that all this has been exposed, is that Trump isn't going to get his fake "dirt" on Hunter Biden (and Joe by extension.)

(Best laid plans of rats . . . soon go awry)

Anyway, the way things are going, Trump will have to change course and start trying to gin up fake dirt on Elizabeth Warren.

Trump is acting like a desperate man. Did good ol' reliable Vlad finally flip him off for failure to perform?

#23 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-09-20 02:30 PM | Reply

The fact that Trump doesn't believe he can win an election on his own merits is plain as day.

Beats me why ANYBODY would even consider voting for him again in November.

#24 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-09-20 02:36 PM | Reply

Beats me why you think he won't beat any Socialist. Derp

#25 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-09-20 03:46 PM | Reply

#25

Criminal versus socialist?

#26 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-20 04:03 PM | Reply

You see where Trump is going, WISGOD. Desperation will accelerate his pace.

#27 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-20 04:05 PM | Reply

Yeah, yeah. I've seen it for damn near 3 years from the Drama Queen Party. You Must like eggs on your face. What was it last week? Oh, Kavanaugh. Idiots are plentiful

#28 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-09-20 04:11 PM | Reply

Can any of our resident righties explain to me how an internal investigation of a Ukrainian holding company became a point of importance in overall US/Ukraine relations for Donald Trump?

Exactly what US interest (strategic/financial/whatever) is there that compels Trump to have pressed the Ukraine president to investigate that particular company outside of the fact that Biden's son was connected to it?

#29 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-20 04:14 PM | Reply

#28

The torches and pitchforks will pursue the monster until he is run to ground.

When Trump is finally cornered he'll take actions where his gang members will have to to say: "So he's a dictator. What ya gonna do about it?"

#30 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-20 04:18 PM | Reply

Zed, like Tony you don't know ----. Just like the Media. But keep babbling like a 3 year old. Show us how smart you infants really are. Maybe should be your names

#31 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-09-20 04:23 PM | Reply

#31

That's right, WISGOD. No one knows ---- but you..

#32 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-20 04:27 PM | Reply

You're worried. Admit it.

#33 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-20 04:27 PM | Reply

Trump asked Ukraine president to investigate Biden's son eight times in one phone call: WSJ report

thehill.com

That's right, WISGOD. No one knows ---- but you..

You mean the ostrich?

#34 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-20 04:31 PM | Reply

I've said it once and I'll say it again. Nothing will ever happen to Trump unless the Republicans stand up and refuse to ignore what he's doing, a lot of it in plain sight.

Democrats don't have enough power but to keep shining light into the darkness until the carnage finally shocks the right's dismissive perceptions of this President into affirmative action against him.

#35 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-20 04:38 PM | Reply

I know you're innocent until proven guilty, thumb suckers

#36 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-09-20 04:54 PM | Reply

Like that link proves what Tony? You sure changed your stripes since Obama. Must be nice having two faces except shaving time, eh?

#37 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-09-20 04:59 PM | Reply

"I've said it once and I'll say it again. Nothing will ever happen to Trump unless the Republicans stand up and refuse to ignore what he's doing, a lot of it in plain sight.
Democrats don't have enough power but to keep shining light into the darkness until the carnage finally shocks the right's dismissive perceptions of this President into affirmative action against him.
#35 | POSTED BY TONYROMA "

And I'll say it again. The Democrats put party over justice and are cowards if they don't impeach.

Do you think that OJ should not have been tried because he had the best possible legal team in the US that could (and did) easily outgun the LA DA's office?

If there is evidence, justice is not decided by whether one thinks they can win or not. So either the Democrats do not have the goods to impeach, or they are cowardly putting party over doing the right thing.

Which is it, Tony?

#38 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-20 05:01 PM | Reply

A trial is not necessary to determine if Trump is a bastard. If he's a big enough bastard we can indict him.

This has been the worst day of Donald's life.

#39 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-20 05:03 PM | Reply

I know you're innocent until proven guilty, thumb suckers

Trump could be proven guilty on 1,000 crimes by 1,000 unanimous juries and his moronic sycophants would claim that every judge and juror was part of a deep state conspiracy organized by Obama and Hillary.

#40 | Posted by JOE at 2019-09-20 05:04 PM | Reply

Like that link proves what Tony?

Show me where I've claimed that anything is proven. Show me where I've assigned guilt or made an assertion without qualifying it with "IF this is true/what it appears to be/etc." I haven't. All I'm doing is posting breaking news stories for their newsworthiness. Turn on the tv, and every network is talking about this, so keep my name out of your mouth reprobate.

I'm the same person I've been since I first blogged here in 2003 or 2004. Right is right and wrong is wrong and gray area usually exists in most cases. Nothing's changed.

What's changed is that Republicans would never have put up with a Clinton or Obama White House that did a fraction of what Trump does and there isn't enough time to document the differences between them.

There has never been a presidency like Trump's and that's not even a debatable statement at this point.

#41 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-20 05:08 PM | Reply

"Trump could be proven guilty on 1,000 crimes by 1,000 unanimous juries and his moronic sycophants would claim that every judge and juror was part of a deep state conspiracy organized by Obama and Hillary.

POSTED BY JOE "

Speculation is a logical fallacy. And it will remain speculation because democrats are too cowardly, or put party over justice and what's right (which is it, Joe?) to bring articles of impeachment against him.

#42 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-20 05:08 PM | Reply

#40

People like WISGOD see themselves as revolutionaries. That Trump is evil is subsidiary to the cause.

#43 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-20 05:10 PM | Reply

Speculation is fun. Speculation is necessary. Donald Trump doesn't want you to use your feelings or mind, much less your imagination.

#44 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-20 05:12 PM | Reply

Speculation is a logical fallacy.

Speculation requires that i have no proofs. I have plenty of reasons to back up what i said, including that Trump's moronic followers explain away and defend and deflect from every single unethical, unconstitutional, and potentially criminal thing he has ever done in his life. If saying he'd still be defended after conviction is speculation, then guilty as charged, sir!

#45 | Posted by JOE at 2019-09-20 05:15 PM | Reply

Donald Trump admitted today that he's solicited a foreign government to provide him with a political benefit through the action of them actively investigating/prosecuting the domestically headquartered company affiliated with his opponent's son.

At the same time he denies doing essentially the same thing with Russia in 2016.

I'll just leave this here to ruminate over.

#46 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-20 05:23 PM | Reply

"I have plenty of reasons to back up what i said"

So you think 1,000 juries would all find Trump guilty. Hell, your own cowardly party claims it can't get its one "jury" (congress) to convict Trump of malfeasance. But you claim 1,000 random juries (12,000 people) people would? Sure thing, Joe.

Why don't you go back to nipping at Nulli's heels. You are better at that than simple logic.

#47 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-20 05:27 PM | Reply

So you think 1,000 juries would all find Trump guilty.

You really don't know what a hypothetical is, do you?

Is your brain fully functional? Serious question. Because if that's what you gathered from my post, you have serious comprehension issues.

#48 | Posted by JOE at 2019-09-20 05:54 PM | Reply

"Because if that's what you gathered from my post, you have serious comprehension issues."

That's his shtick.
I hope I'm not as bored when I retire... but I probably will be!

#49 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-20 05:55 PM | Reply

The claim was that if he were to be foung guilty by 1,000 different juries, the same morons would be here explaining away, defending, and deflecting on his behalf.

I think you could poll every single person on this website about what i meant and every single one would say the above except you.

#50 | Posted by JOE at 2019-09-20 05:55 PM | Reply

#50 was @ #47

I hope I'm not as bored when I retire

Same.

#51 | Posted by JOE at 2019-09-20 05:57 PM | Reply

49-51

I highly recommend the plonk option. It's reversible too, so you're not locked in either way. Based on your comments, you have to be referring to Goatman. Half of many threads disappear and about 4/5ths of what's left are posters responding to something he's said about them once you plonk him.

But you don't see what he says anymore, and that's priceless in my book. You'll see too much time and energy directed toward him instead of discussing the topics of the threads.

#52 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-20 06:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"That's his shtick.

#49 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

Listen to snoofy because he thinks you are too stupid to figure out a person's character on your own. That's why he has to tell you.

#53 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-20 06:05 PM | Reply

"I highly recommend the plonk option. "

I highly recommend it, too. I get so sick of hearing people bitch when they have the option to mute me.

If you're not going to plonk me, don't bitch. It's that simple.

I agree, Tony, but let''s face it -- some people just love to whine and if they plonked me they couldn't whine about me. Well, actually that's not true because JPW and americanunity still whine about me daily, but they have me plonked. Or so they say. Say over and over and over in fact.

given that, I don't know what the solution is. There is no magic "get-goatman-out-of-my-head" button for people like AU and JPW.

#54 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-20 06:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The only reason i don't plonk Goatman is that he posts so much demonstrably false nonsense that i feel like someone has to be around to post the easy liks to refute him, even though he doesn't bother to acknowledge how wrong he is and just moves on to the next wrong thing to break a thread over..

Incoming post about how i need to get over myself and asking for links to at least 32 times ive proven him wrong in te last minute otherwise im a lying liar who lies about lying

#55 | Posted by JOE at 2019-09-20 07:48 PM | Reply

"The only reason i don't plonk Goatman is that he posts so much demonstrably false nonsense that i feel like someone has to be around to post the easy liks to refute him,ying

#55 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2019-09-20 07:48 PM"

Wow, so big an wonderful of you to make that ultimate sacrifice, Joe. lOL

Funny thing is, I don't recall you ever factually rebutting me. Sure, you'll say, "you're wrong", but anyone can puke out those two syllables. But you never provide links to rebut mine after you have mindlessly vomited out those two words.

I find your post here very funny.

But continue your noble and selfless pursuit of keeping the goatman honest -- even though there really is no evidence of it except in our head.

#56 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-20 08:01 PM | Reply

Of course you claim not to remember. Why would you say anything else? Anyone who cares can review the history. At the end of the day, nobody will, but you know what happened.

#57 | Posted by JOE at 2019-09-20 08:27 PM | Reply

"Of course you claim not to remember.
POSTED BY JOE"

And of course you, as usual, can not back up your claim to correcting me even once, much less 32 times.

#58 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-20 08:30 PM | Reply

JOE

There are 34 plonkers on this site who consider GOATMAN a waste of time and a thread wrecker. He only comes here looking for enablers to argue with. I don't understand why you accommodate him.

#59 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-09-20 08:34 PM | Reply

"There are 34 plonkers on this site who consider GOATMAN a waste of time and a thread wrecker. He only comes here looking for enablers to argue with. I don't understand why you accommodate him.
#59 | POSTED BY TWINPAC "

Actually, I don't hijack threads. I do respond to people who do, however. But your GDS keeps you from seeing that.

Joe is selflessly keeping the DR free from goatman lies. I, too, wish he and other snowflake whiners would plonk me. But it does no good. Like you, I still live in their heads.

Don't stop Joe from his noble duties, twinpac.

#60 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-20 08:37 PM | Reply

But yes, Joe, take Tony and twonpac's advice. Shed your shiny suit of armor. Sure, the DR might fail without your self declared mission of truth. But you'll be better off for it.

But if you don't plonk me, for ----- sake, quit whining about me, OK?

#61 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-20 08:39 PM | Reply

And twinpac, if you don't believe me that I don't hijack threads, look who hijacked the last two: Aborted monson.

Why don't you whine about him (or others) who hijack threads? Oh. It must be because of your GDS affliction keeps you from seeing that

If you are going to whine about hiacked threads, put the blame where it belongs because to blame someone who didn't do it makes you look stupid.

#62 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-20 08:45 PM | Reply

Blah blah blah. Look at all that typing to scroll past. What a bore.

#63 | Posted by JOE at 2019-09-21 07:51 AM | Reply

#63

What typing? I don't see no stinking typing, just 59 and 63.

;^)

#64 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-21 08:09 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If Biden did nothing wrong, why are he and his shilling media allies so upset? What does it matter the reason for the investigation if it can uncover corruption by the Bidens?

What is the harm of an investigation, whatever the reason for starting it, if there is nothing to find?

#65 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-09-21 08:16 AM | Reply

What does it matter the reason for the investigation if it can uncover corruption by the Bidens?

I don't know, but you should tell that to the Trumpers who incompetently attack the Carter Page FISA warrant and the Steele Dossier.

#66 | Posted by JOE at 2019-09-21 08:30 AM | Reply

VISITOR

"What does it matter the reason for the investigation if it can uncover corruption by the Bidens?"

Because a lie can travel around the world while the truth is tying it's shoelaces.

Let's edit your comment and see if you feel the same way . . . What does it matter the reason for the investigation if it can uncover the truth about Donald Trump?

See how that works?

#67 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-09-21 02:46 PM | Reply

What is the harm of an investigation, whatever the reason for starting it, if there is nothing to find?

Why won't Trump allow testimony from people associated with him?
Why won't Trump supply all the documents and records that have been subpoenaed?
Why won't Trump allow the whistle-blower complaint to come forward?

Your deflections tactic is ridiculous.

#68 | Posted by YAV at 2019-09-21 03:01 PM | Reply

New revelations deepen scandal over Trump whistleblower complaint

The whistleblower didn't have direct knowledge of the communications, an official briefed on the matter told CNN. Instead, the whistleblower's concerns came in part from learning information that was not obtained during the course of their work, and those details have played a role in the administration's determination that the complaint didn't fit the reporting requirements under the intelligence whistleblower law, the official said.
www.cnn.com

LOL this just gets better and better ...

Because a lie can travel around the world while the truth is tying it's shoelaces.

Biden already admitted to halting the investigation/prosecutor getting fired .... why shouldn't that be investigated?

Biden brags, "I looked at them and said, If the prosecutor is not fired, you're not getting the money"
twitter.com

What more do you need? There's no lies, unless Joe is lying.

#69 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-21 03:45 PM | Reply

"Biden brags, "I looked at them and said, If the prosecutor is not fired, you're not getting the money"

So.
Was that wrong or something?
This is being held up as a contrast to Trump, correct?
Did Trump do something wrong, or something?

#70 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-21 03:46 PM | Reply

Biden already admitted to halting the investigation/prosecutor getting fired .... why shouldn't that be investigated?

Because the prosecutor was corrupt.

It is absolutely true that at the same time Burisma was being investigated, western governments, including the Obama administration wanted the prosecutor removed due to concerns about corruption in his own office. Biden too opposed the prosecutor in Ukraine, Viktor Shokin, and threatened to withhold $1 billion in loan guarantees from Ukraine. He's actually bragged about it. Recounting a trip he made to Kiev in 2016, he said it showed the US was able to get Ukraine to take corruption more seriously.

"I looked at them and said: I'm leaving in six hours," Biden said during an event at the Council of Foreign Relations in 2018. "If the prosecutor is not fired, you're not getting the money. Well, son of a bitch. He got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time."

At least one former official in the prosecutor's office said the investigation into Burisma had already been shelved by the time Joe Biden was threatening to withhold financial aid unless Ukraine replaced its top prosecutor. It's also not clear if Hunter Biden was a focus of that investigation when it was occurring.

In an interview on May 14 posted on Facebook by his assistant, Ukrainian Prosecutor General Yury Lutsenko said Burisma paid an entity connected to Hunter Biden "millions," but added, "from my point of view, a board member can be paid whatever a company decides ... they didn't violate any Ukrainian laws."

He said that he said it was a matter for US law to consider, not Ukrainian investigators.

www.cnn.com

Now Matress, are you going to continue to make a fool of yourself by continuing to infer that Biden is guilty of something when there is not a scintilla of evidence that Hunter Biden did ANYTHING to violate Ukrainian law and that Joe's actions were directed from the White House as a matter of US and western policy, having nothing to do with influence peddling?

#71 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-21 04:05 PM | Reply

And once again so everyone has the facts to counter Trump's bs:

1.) (W)estern governments, including the Obama administration wanted the prosecutor removed due to concerns about corruption in his own office.

2.) (T)he investigation into Burisma had already been shelved by the time Joe Biden was threatening to withhold financial aid unless Ukraine replaced its top prosecutor.

3.) Ukrainian Prosecutor General Yury Lutsenko said Burisma paid an entity connected to Hunter Biden "millions," but added, "from my point of view, a board member can be paid whatever a company decides ... they didn't violate any Ukrainian laws."


#72 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-21 04:12 PM | Reply

So who are you going to believe, the Ukrainian Prosecutor General or Trump and Giuliani as it regards Ukraine law?

#73 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-21 04:14 PM | Reply

bla bla bla

#74 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-21 04:18 PM | Reply

Your deflections tactic is ridiculous. - #68 | Posted by YAV at 2019-09-21 03:01 PM
I don't know the precise answers as to why, but I'm guessing
Why won't Trump allow testimony from people associated with him? Because executive privilege is warranted in this matter.
Why won't Trump supply all the documents and records that have been subpoenaed? Whatever reason Obama didn't have Holder provide fast & furious documents, whatever that was.
Why won't Trump allow the whistle-blower complaint to come forward? He is exerting that the conversation that is being reported on (2nd hand?) is privileged and not appropriate for release to the legislative branch.

#75 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-09-21 04:36 PM | Reply

What does it matter the reason for the investigation if it can uncover the truth about Donald Trump? See how that works? - #67 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-09-21 02:46 PM

Oh....I see now, the problem is hypocrisy.
People who are ok with investigating Trump but not ok with investigating Biden are hypocrites.
People who are ok with investigating Biden but not ok with investigating Trump are hypocrites.
People who are ok with both Trump and Biden being investigated are the reasonable and rationale folks.
I'm glad that we've finally reach an accord.

#76 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-09-21 04:40 PM | Reply

"Oh....I see now, the problem is hypocrisy."

Say it ain't so!
The riiiight's favorite logical fallacy can't be the problem, it's why you get out of bed in the morning.

#77 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-21 04:45 PM | Reply

I expect the furor to dissipate once everyone figures out that Biden comes off worse than Trump. Unless Biden is expendable...

#78 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-09-21 08:30 PM | Reply

#75 - are you that unaware that you've done nothing but continue the deflection?
Trump hasn't invoked Executive Privilege. He's invoked something that's non-existent.
He's just told people not to show up or else.

Not that it matters. Going back to the original assertion made about why Biden should be investigated if there's nothing to hide, why is Trump hiding everything and shutting down every attempt at investigating?

If you're going to jump in, please understand the context, or be satisfied you're proving my premise all over again.

#79 | Posted by YAV at 2019-09-21 11:16 PM | Reply

Going back to the original assertion made about why Biden should be investigated if there's nothing to hide, why is Trump hiding everything and shutting down every attempt at investigating?

To hear him tell it, there's already been an investigation. There was even a report about it. Seems to him like continued investigation of this subject are solely for political purposes. Making it easier to investigate him for political reasons is not something that he is interested in doing, so he is using every legal tool at his disposal to make that political investigation more difficult

#80 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-09-21 11:30 PM | Reply

I welcome the investigation - if it was from a neutral party. The DOJ is a complete joke under Barr. This government is being turned into a support structure for the new coming oligarchy, run by America's Putin - Trump. Trump has deeply envied Putin for years - for Putin's control and his massive wealth.

Anyone unbiased would understand Trump/Guilliani/Barr's "charge" against Biden is beyond stupid. it is contradictory within itself. It takes understanding, though, and that's something no one on the Right will bother doing. No one. It's not politically expedient and takes work.

Too many on the Left are equally pathetic, being horrified and choosing to believe the worst, accepting the false premise the Right puts out.

Just a few basics regarding Ukraine, Biden, Obama:
The Obama admin was pushing hard to get rid of the corruption in Ukraine.
Biden's son was on a board of a Ukrainian company that was under investigation (corruption).
The Ukrainian DA, part of the corruption in Ukraine, found no issue with the company.
When the DA announce there was no issue with the company and no charges would be filed, the Obama Admin and Joe Biden applied pressure to get rid of the corrupt DA.

If you were to believe Trump/Guilliani/Barr and the right, you'd expect the opposite to have happened. It didn't. But the video and the spin without any understanding doesn't look good. In fact, it's exactly what you'd hope and expect would happen with a moral Administration.

But in this day and age of Trump, the truth doesn't matter. Perception is the coin of power, not truth. We're in a war about creating perception.

#81 | Posted by YAV at 2019-09-22 10:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Hm. Wrong thread.

#82 | Posted by YAV at 2019-09-22 10:58 AM | Reply

YAV @ 82

"Hm. Wrong thread."

No it's not. In fact, I think you're spot on considering how many tentacles this story has spawned ~ about one per hour as the drip-drip-drip of new evidence becomes known.

I think the truth does matter when we can get it. However, it won't be coming from a pathological liar like Trump who is already trying to escape the consequences of his own ego-powered stupidity on a recorded phone conversation.

#83 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-09-23 07:00 AM | Reply

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