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Friday, September 20, 2019

Jonathan Bernstein: I was going to write today about how House Democrats are handling the impeachment question. But the truth is, it's largely irrelevant. As long as Republicans are united in opposition, President Donald Trump will stay in office.

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Forever. THen when he's gone they'll be enraged when democrats investigate prosecute his crimes and they'll do everything possible to protect him.

Then they'll elect his kids. Then they'll tolerate his kids crimes.

Trumpism will live as long as fox news does.

#1 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-20 08:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I was going to write today about how House Democrats are handling the impeachment question. But the truth is, it's largely irrelevant. As long as Republicans are united in opposition, President Donald Trump will stay in office.

Damn. This is precisely what I was trying to say earlier today:

I've said it once and I'll say it again. Nothing will ever happen to Trump unless the Republicans stand up and refuse to ignore what he's doing, a lot of it in plain sight.

Democrats don't have enough power but to keep shining light into the darkness until the carnage finally shocks the right's dismissive perceptions of this President into affirmative action against him.

Here's why the Democrats are losing, trying to hold Trump accountable - Trump actually believes that whatever he does CANNOT be against the law because of his reasons for having done whatever he did. It's not the "what" with Trump, it's the "why". Those trying to stop him need to sick with the "what", meaning the law itself.

Dems can't win that fight alone. Trump has so poisoned his adherents that any reasonable view of Democrats simply trying to uphold laws has morphed them into rabid revenge seekers wanting vengeance because they lack complete political control or more basely the Dems are envious of Trump. Trump makes every criticism of himself, his business practices, or his governance about politics even when most criticisms are based on the incorrectness or possible illegality of what Trump himself has actually done or decided.

So the Democrats have to stop criticizing each other for so far failing to stop Trump, and start sticking to the black letter lines of the law itself, and start getting Republicans on the record as to which side they stand. In other words, make every elected Republican answer yes or no to questions of legalities instead:

Do you think any American president should invite a foreign government to engage into a US presidential election?

Yes or no, no qualifications, yes or no. The Democrats only need to draw lines of distinction that demark what is acceptable, legal conduct from a President and stop mentioning Trump by name. Then after all or most of them say yes, use the House committees to show that Trump indeed acted on the wrong side of that line. Now do the same thing with every action/decision, leaving the criticism being of the act instead of the motives of the ones asking the question.

Take the politics out of the argument. We're claiming a President shouldn't do the things that Trump does so let's continue to ask every critical question from the standpoint of "Should an American President do this(?)", not just Trump.

#2 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-20 09:35 PM | Reply

Republicans are Party 1st. Not America 1st.

#3 | Posted by bat4255 at 2019-09-20 09:37 PM | Reply

"Republicans are Party 1st. Not America 1st.

#3 | POSTED BY BAT4255"

That would be the democrats. Otherwise, they'd impeach Trump. But the put party before justice and what's right which is what America is based on.

#4 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-20 09:39 PM | Reply

"How Long Will Republicans Tolerate Trump's Lawlessness?"

The question is how long the democrats will tolerate it. They whine, whine, whine about Trump but do nothing -- literally NOTHING -- to remove him from office.

#5 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-20 09:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Republicans are RUSSIA 1st. Not America 1st.

#3 | POSTED BY BAT4255

Fixed it for you.

#6 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-09-20 09:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Fixed it for you.

#6 | POSTED BY ABORTED_MONSON "

You are so clever.

Why don't you actually rebut my post?

Oh! You've never really done that. Your entire MO is childish drive by insults and FTFY. The left is so happy to have you and the right is so happy the left has you, too.

#7 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-20 09:44 PM | Reply

If Republicans take advice from fake journalist-DNC activist Jim Acosta they deserve to lose.

#8 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-20 09:49 PM | Reply

Corey said it best, the Democrats hate this president more than they love their country.

#9 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-20 10:07 PM | Reply

Democrats hate dictator wannabe's

#10 | Posted by bat4255 at 2019-09-20 10:25 PM | Reply

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Corey said it best, the Democrats hate this president more than they love their country.

#9 | Posted by iragoldberg

As does any decent human being.

Only schittheaps follow a schittheap.

#11 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-20 10:30 PM | Reply

If Republicans take advice from fake journalist-DNC activist Jim Acosta they deserve to lose.

#8 | Posted by nullifidian

If you're the kind of person attracted to the GOP they deserve to lose.

#12 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-20 10:31 PM | Reply

lol How long did they tolerate Bush-hole deux's stupid? Like the cesspools they are their tolerence for $#! is bottomless.

#13 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-09-20 10:54 PM | Reply

Trump: I nor my campaign colluded with Russians in 2016. No collusion, no collusion, no collusion.

Mueller Report: We found numerous contacts between the Trump campaign, the Russian government, and other cutouts during the course of the presidential election campaign. However, due to lack of cooperation, incomplete or non-existent memories, and any other investigative constraints, we cannot prove beyond a reasonable doubt that their conduct violated the specific federal laws, but we've got tons of evidence which shows cooperation between the campaign and other foreign interests that benefited the Trump campaign.

Today: Trump admits that he asked the Ukraine President (and reportedly at least 8 times) to open "corruption" investigations into his chief US political opponent and that opponent's son who was once tied to a Ukrainian holding company - literally encouraging Ukraine to directly engage in the US electoral process, solely for the political benefit of President Trump himself.

Are Republicans really going to claim that the cold facts of today are alright with them?

I guess we did waste the money spent on Mueller if Trump is viewed as incapable of breaking the law while in control of the entire federal justice system, actively using it to protect himself.

#14 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-20 11:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Forever...
#1 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

I sure wish I could disagree. Sigh. And as long as Rs have 34 votes in the Senate it's a waste of time to talk about impeachment.

#15 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2019-09-20 11:19 PM | Reply

"And as long as Rs have 34 votes in the Senate it's a waste of time to talk about impeachment."

Republicans sure do love talking about it though!
Admittedly, only in the context of Democrats not doing it, but they sure do love talking about it!

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-20 11:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"And as long as Rs have 34 votes in the Senate it's a waste of time to talk about impeachment."

Republicans sure do love talking about it though!

Republicans love telling everybody else what to do based on standards they never follow themselves.

#17 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-20 11:30 PM | Reply

"And as long as Rs have 34 votes in the Senate it's a waste of time to talk about impeachment."

There will never be a Senate conviction of any president because the moment 67 or more Senators confirm they'll vote to convict, that President's party leadership will go to them and demand that they resign. Just like Nixon. Beyond that point, the party itself is vulnerable to the backlash since if 67 senators are against the president, the public has to firmly support that conclusion as well. Sticking up for a dead man walking in politics is as rare as a unicorn.

#18 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-20 11:38 PM | Reply

#18 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

It might help as well to actually have something you can call a 'High Crime' before taking it to the senate. Thus far, you have hurt feelings and rude behavior as your only impetus for impeachment with the boomerang of the "Mueller" Report. But, time to ---- or get off the pot because once the IG report is released and Barr's investigation is finished, the Democrats will be giving their testimony from behind bars.

#19 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-20 11:42 PM | Reply

Thus far, you have hurt feelings and rude behavior as your only impetus for impeachment

Sure think you lying sack of schitt.

the Democrats will be giving their testimony from behind b

Right. Wanna bet the Barr and IG report differ widely and in obviously partisan ways?

#20 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-20 11:44 PM | Reply

"Sure think you lying sack of schitt.
POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-09-20 11:44 PM "

More "quality posting" from the person who demands it from others. LOL Typical, "Do as I say not as I do" liberal from the DR's favorite rage-a-holic.

#21 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-20 11:48 PM | Reply

"Thus far, you have hurt feelings and rude behavior as your only impetus for impeachment
Sure think you lying sack of schitt."

Please explain your reasoning as we have all seen the "Mueller" report and it was a giant dud. Even Flynn is choosing to fight now based on Brady violations. No collusion (by the GOP) and not obstruction as Mueller had no interference - and proving 'obstruction intent' in the face that no underlying crime exists is a bridge too far.

"Right. Wanna bet the Barr and IG report differ widely and in obviously partisan ways?
#20 | POSTED BY JPW "

The difference is that the IG report will attempt to whitewash wrongdoing in an attempt to save the FBI from further embarrassment - but even they have referred both Comey and McCabe for prosecution already. Further, the IG does not have subpoena power or the ability to interview those no longer employed by the FBI so it is an investigation solely reliant upon things that happened in the past.

For the Barr investigation, he can subpoena Comey NOW - so we will get his story now vs. what he said previously. Comey and McCabe are both caught in perjury traps already. But, the big catch will go down on the fraudulently obtained FISA warrants. Joe diGenova has already stated what will happen based on his sources inside the investigation - ALL FOUR FISA WARRANTS on Carter Page were fraudulently obtained.

You are playing a losing hand.

#22 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-21 12:39 AM | Reply

#21 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Friday night and the guy is drunk. I didn't believe the other posters when they used to claim that - but that guy comments completely differently on and off the sauce. Sad - another guy throwing his life away in exchange for a bottle. He should follow Trump's example.

#23 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-21 12:41 AM | Reply

". I didn't believe the other posters when they used to claim that - but that guy comments completely differently on and off the sauce"

I've noticed that as well. It's very obvious when he is drunk.

#24 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-21 12:44 AM | Reply

Friday night and the guy is drunk. I didn't believe the other posters when they used to claim that - but that guy comments completely differently on and off the sauce. Sad - another guy throwing his life away in exchange for a bottle. He should follow Trump's example.

#23 | Posted by iragoldberg

LOL

I have to be up for a race at 6:30.

No, not "on the sauce".

More like have less tolerance than usual at the end of a long week.

But nice to see you're as intellectually vaccuuous as the rest. Wait, I already knew that.

#25 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-21 01:06 AM | Reply

Please explain your reasoning as we have all seen the "Mueller" report and it was a giant dud. Even Flynn is choosing to fight now based on Brady violations. No collusion (by the GOP) and not obstruction as Mueller had no interference - and proving 'obstruction intent' in the face that no underlying crime exists is a bridge too far.

It was only a "dud" to those who already decided it was a "dud".

You know when I knew it was impossible to have a real conversation with you idiots? (well, the final actually giving up on even hoping for it...)

When the Mueller report came out and confirmed as true all the "nothing burgers" you schittheaps shrugged off as lies and fake news and second hand info and partisan holdovers and blah blah blah blah [insert rationalization here] for two years.

Two years you denied denied denied, deflected deflected deflected, rationalized rationalized rationalized and committed whatever sin necessary to maintain the ever so gentle cupping of the most corrupt, disgusting set of balls in the entire US.

And as those Orange Schittballs have continued to escalate their obscene behavior, you've only gotten gentler in your cupping and more outlandish in your denials, deflections and rationalizations.

So GFY you dishonest sack of schitt.

#26 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-21 01:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"So GFY you dishonest sack of schitt.

#26 | POSTED BY JPW "

More quality posting

#27 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-21 01:15 AM | Reply

"When the Mueller report came out and confirmed as true all the "nothing burgers" you schittheaps shrugged off as lies and fake news and second hand info and partisan holdovers and blah blah blah blah [insert rationalization here] for two years."

Which nothing burger did it prove? That the Trump campaign conspired with Russia? Nope - total fabrication. That Putin had hooker pee tapes? Nope, again, total fabrication. That Don Jr. called Trump after the Trump Tower meeting with the Russian lawyer? Nope - total fabrication. Oh, I know - that Trump was communicating with a Russian bank server - nope, total fabrication. How about Trump money laundering for the Russians? Again - nope, total fabrication.

In fact, they did not even establish for a fact that the Russians EVER hacked the DNC server. That is still speculation and the way the report stated it, they don't have faith in that 'fact' - which is way different than the way they presented it in the indictments against the Russians THAT WENT NOWHERE.

So, please let me in on these nothing burgers that were proven to be true...

#28 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-21 02:35 AM | Reply

How Long Will Republicans Tolerate Trump's Lawlessness?

Until he's out of office and they resume whining about meaningless bullschitt.

#29 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-21 02:36 AM | Reply

#29 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY

Hey, if it ain't Americanunity poking his head up after getting smoked with his lies on European doctor shortages. I wondered where you went. I figured you to a two-flush turd so I was surprised you hid this long.

#30 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-21 02:39 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

The larger number of Trumpites support Trump being lawless.

#31 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-21 09:45 AM | Reply

How long? As long as they keep winning.

#32 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-09-21 02:52 PM | Reply

Corey said it best, the Democrats hate this president more than they love their country.

#9 | Posted by iragoldberg

Those two things are the same.

#33 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-21 03:04 PM | Reply

Republicans love telling everybody else what to do based on standards they never follow themselves. - #17 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-20 11:30 PM
That is an untrue statement. The last time that Republicans had what they considered sufficient evidence of wrongdoing to Impeach a president even without sufficient backing in the Senate to remove him they did their duty and impeached. Republicans have not changed in this. They disagree with you that there is sufficient evidence of wrongdoing to impeach, so they don't impeach. Only one group of people thinks that there is sufficient evidence to impeach. Those folks are sitting around and watching, instead of following their morals and convictions.

#34 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-09-21 04:49 PM | Reply

"The last time that Republicans had what they considered sufficient evidence of wrongdoing to Impeach a president even without sufficient backing in the Senate to remove him they did their duty and impeached."

Is this happening now?
Are House Republicans howling for Pelosi to start impeachment proceedings?
I know you guys sure are... with the fake outrage and all.

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-21 04:52 PM | Reply

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-21 04:52 PM
Were three sentences too much for you to get through? Snoofy?
Here, let me quote it for you so you don't get further confused.
They disagree with you that there is sufficient evidence of wrongdoing to impeach, so they don't impeach.
So no, they aren't howling for impeachment, because they don't think there's enough evidence of wrongdoing. I wouldn't expect anyone to call for impeachment when they feel there is not enough evidence. Probably why so many Democrats haven't called for impeachment.
Are you incapable of understanding? Lost track before you got to that?

#36 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-09-21 05:00 PM | Reply

"They disagree with you that there is sufficient evidence of wrongdoing to impeach, so they don't impeach."

Well, except that support for impeachment doubled after the Mueller report...

Republican support for impeachment surged from 9 percent in May to 17 percent at the end of July www.newsweek.com

So where are they in the House of Representatives?
146 Democrats support impeachment or impeachment inquiry
89 Democrats who don't support impeachment or impeachment inquiry " yet
0 Republicans support impeachment or impeachment inquiry
www.politico.com

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-21 07:48 PM | Reply

You still can't understand English? No Republican is for impeaching Trump because they, like the DoJ, don't believe that there is sufficient evidence of wrongdoing They must have read the Mueller report unlike the people who got their ideas from the media

#38 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-09-21 10:39 PM | Reply

"No Republican is for impeaching Trump because they, like the DoJ, don't believe that there is sufficient evidence of wrongdoing"

17 percent of Republicans support impeachment as of July.

RightOCenter for example.

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-21 10:41 PM | Reply

Amend the statement to Republican legislators. You know, the people we were talking about

#40 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-09-21 10:58 PM | Reply

No Republican is for impeaching Trump because they, like the DoJ, don't believe that there is sufficient evidence of wrongdoing They must have read the Mueller report unlike the people who got their ideas from the media

Oh please.

They could have found a sworn statement attesting to conspiracy and the GOP would still refuse to convict on impeachment.

You're either insanely naive or stupid.

#41 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-21 11:25 PM | Reply

I accept that you feel that anyone who disagrees with your politics is naive or stupid. Fortunately your feelings mean nothing.

#42 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-09-21 11:32 PM | Reply

I accept that you feel that anyone who disagrees with your politics is naive or stupid. Fortunately your feelings mean nothing.

#42 | Posted by Avigdore

I accept that stupid people always over estimate their intelligence and knowledge.

Fortunately we have Dunning-Kruger to explain their behavior.

Sorry cupcake. Reality sucks sometimes, doesn't it?

#43 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-22 12:18 AM | Reply

At least you've self-diagnosed and can work to resolve your issues.

#44 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-09-22 12:52 AM | Reply

"I know you are but what am I"

Good one.

You have nothing, including the grace to bow out when you should.

#45 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-22 01:05 AM | Reply

I didn't ask 'what am I'. I already acknowledged that you think that anyone who believes differently than you is either naive or stupid. It's already been established. No need to ask a redundant question.
You were the one who brought up your acceptance of stupid people overestimating their intelligence. Naturally I assumed you had made a breakthrough in self-discovery. Was I mistaken? Have you not figured yourself out yet?

#46 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-09-22 02:14 AM | Reply

Denial is something you can overcome, avigdore.

It's ok to admit you're an idiot, you're in good company. Certainly on the DR you are.

#47 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-22 08:43 AM | Reply

I sense a lot of anger and hatred on this thread.

I detect the Sith.

#48 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-09-22 03:02 PM | Reply

Republicans do not want Trump impeached because they get tarred with the same brush, and living high on that sweet, sweet PAC and lobbyist money at government teat has become a way of life for them. Republicans will do or say whatever it takes to keep their phony-bologna jobs!

#49 | Posted by john47 at 2019-09-22 03:05 PM | Reply

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