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Saturday, September 21, 2019

The United States is deploying military forces to the Middle East after Saturday's drone attacks on major oil sites in Saudi Arabia that the administration of President Donald Trump has blamed on Iran.

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Looks like things have ratcheted up another notch.

Who's surprised?

#1 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-20 10:42 PM | Reply

Sigh.

"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

-Attributed to George Orwell.

#2 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-20 11:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Who sleeps peacefully these days?

This message brought to you by Ambien.

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-20 11:18 PM | Reply

Although that could be Richard Grenier, a columnist who was a big Orwell fan, attempting to provide a pithy representation of an idea that Orwell raised on numerous occasions.

#4 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-20 11:18 PM | Reply

Sigh.

"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

-Attributed to George Orwell.

#2 | Posted by Rightocenter

Yawn.

#5 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-20 11:46 PM | Reply

"We shall fight Iran.. down to the last American!".. random Arab sheikh.

However, this move seems cosmetic.

USA wants to do what Israel tells it to do.. nail Iran.. . but it doesn't want to get Americans killed for any Arab country. So far it has been providing lip service to the Arabs.

#6 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-09-21 12:26 AM | Reply

"USA wants to do what Israel tells it to do.. nail Iran.. . but it doesn't want to get Americans killed for any Arab country. So far it has been providing lip service to the Arabs.
#6 | POSTED BY J_TREMAIN "

Actually, it's Saudi Arabia who is begging the US to do its bidding. Israel could handle Iran. SA can't. The don't want to get their hands dirty. Israel wouldn't mind at all and would if the US allowed them. They're chomping at the bit.

#7 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-21 12:30 AM | Reply

US troops in Saudi

Fcck I thought we settled this.

OBL

#8 | Posted by bruceaz at 2019-09-21 12:34 AM | Reply

Actually, it's Saudi Arabia who is begging the US to do its bidding.

Yes. They have been begging Pakistan too... the only other country that has a security arrangement with them. Pakistan has also been providing lip service.

Israel could handle Iran.

Of course it can. But that is not the game.

The game is "how to make America fight for us.. how to make them enter the war on our side". This has always been the game.. from WW1 to WW2 to today.

SA can't.

It can. Or it could... if it hadn't been too dumb to use all those magnificent weapons they keep collecting.

#9 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-09-21 01:08 AM | Reply

I haven't even been following the news.. mention bloody Isreal and I tune out automatically.... is Net&Yahoo.Com still Prime Minister or not?

Much of how America acts will depend on that.

#10 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-09-21 01:27 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

The headline should read, "Trump sends human targets to SA." Those troops are the canaries in the coal mine. One of them gets killed in any way, Combover Quisling and Pigpeo will immediately blame it on Iran and claim justification for war.

#11 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2019-09-21 12:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

SA should use their own forces to defend themselves. The US does not belong in the ME.

#12 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-09-21 01:15 PM | Reply

I've been waiting for us to kick Iran's puny ass since '79. No limited b.s. F'm up!

#13 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-09-21 02:16 PM | Reply

"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

#2 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Smedley Butler would laugh at that.

#14 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-21 02:43 PM | Reply

If I were field marshall, the first thing I would do following an aerial attack would be to put in ground troops.

That way, the next aerial attack forces us to declare war.

I love it when a plan comes together, don't you?

#15 | Posted by contrecoup at 2019-09-21 02:52 PM | Reply

With my old AFSC of 43151E (B52 0r KC135A crew chief), I would have been "retained" for the entirety of the six-year hitch! I made SSGT in just over three years, a hot prospect for a lifer career if ever there was. I gleefully took a SEA returnee early-out with an Honorable Discharge and full Vietnam GI Bill at 3yrs, 9mo, and four days! I no longer harbor any antipathy for lifers or officers; but I still hate the smell of jet engine exhaust!

#16 | Posted by john47 at 2019-09-21 03:38 PM | Reply

"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

Trumpers don't want Col. Jessep on that wall.
They want America to stand down our leadership position in the Post-WWII era.
So, whatever point you think you're making, I'm not seeing it. At all. Not even a little bit.

You stood on that wall.
Why don't you want America to keep sending young men like you once were up the wall?
I'd really love to know.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-21 04:18 PM | Reply

I've been waiting for us to kick Iran's puny ass since '79. No limited b.s. F'm up!

#13 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-09-21 02:16 PM

So, when are you enlisting?

#18 | Posted by SunTzuMeow at 2019-09-21 05:14 PM | Reply

"So, when are you enlisting?

#18 | POSTED BY SUNTZUMEOW "

Probably too old, as I am and most of the DR is. Besides, I did enlist in the Navy for 6 years 45 years ago and was active duty during the Iran Hostage crisis. Spent a lot of time in the Persian Gulf that year.

Does being unable to enlist remove one's right to wish Iran were dealt with?

#19 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-21 05:26 PM | Reply

This is a perilous time to try to make aggressive moves like this. From a US Navy stand-point we're very weak on the east coast. Truman's battle group left NOB without her recently. There is talk of cannibalizing Bush parts to get Truman seaworthy.

#20 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-09-21 05:48 PM | Reply

I honestly do not see any winner in a conflict with Iran,(Persia). It is already poor, backwards and ruled by insane Mullahs who believe the world is flat and mountains are the tent pegs that keep the sky in place. But as far as it goes, we could make them suffer. Take away their electric power, water treatment plants, phone systems, internet, and maybe their nuclear labs out. That would put them into the tech level of the 7th century. Something they want anyway.

#21 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-09-21 06:01 PM | Reply

"It is already poor"

Not really that poor. Iran is ranked #61 in the world in GDP PPP per capita, which is between Bulgaria and Estonia.

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-21 06:54 PM | Reply

Does being unable to enlist remove one's right to wish Iran were dealt with?

#19 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-21 05:26 PM | Reply

1.) I wasn't responding to you. Believe it or not, not every post is about you.

2.) "I've been waiting for us to kick Iran's puny ass since '79" "us" insinuates he'll be involved in the effort.
But it's always easy to ask someone else to risk life and limb.

3.) Pound sand.

#23 | Posted by SunTzuMeow at 2019-09-21 07:06 PM | Reply

"1.) I wasn't responding to you. Believe it or not, not every post is about you."

I know. This is an open forum where anyone an respond to anyone else. Perhaps you didn't realize this. Now you do.

"3.) Pound sand.

#23 | POSTED BY SUNTZUMEOW "

Such an emotionally mature. response. But I get why you said it. It is a deflection to my question which you do not want to answer because to do so honestly exposes how disingenuous you are.

But I could be wrong, so I'll ask my question again. It has nothing to do with anything you ever said to anyone:

Does being unable to enlist remove one's right to wish Iran were dealt with?

Thanks in advance for the reply.

#24 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-21 07:30 PM | Reply

2.) "I've been waiting for us to kick Iran's puny ass since '79" "us" insinuates he'll be involved in the effort.
But it's always easy to ask someone else to risk life and limb.

That it does.
But maybe he's like 90 now, so he couldn't have enlisted even back then.
That might explain why he thinks he's a libertarian anarchist, when he's really a conservative Republican.

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-21 07:41 PM | Reply

" "us" insinuates he'll be involved in the effort."

And if the US is involved, he will be involved as a tax payer and perhaps other support. You know, like in WW2 when a Rosie the Riveter said, "we won the war" doesn't mean she actually stuck a bayonet in someone. She contributed in other ways. She may have had a victory garden and most likely her household's supplies were rationed. She most certainly paid taxes that went towards the war effort.

But you know this

Thus endeth another episode of snoofygames (tm).

#26 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-21 07:50 PM | Reply

"And if the US is involved, he will be involved as a tax payer and perhaps other support."

Right, because when people say "I want to kick butt!" what they mean is "I want to pay taxes!"

It's sort of funny.
At first I hadn't thought you'd changed all that much.
But you have.

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-21 07:54 PM | Reply

The whole question was rhetorical, since we both ought be pretty confident Lee won't be part of the "we" kicking ass.

And while on the topic of maturity; you'd think one who claims to have been thrust in harm's way would be a bit more restrained in wanting others to do the same especially with retribution being the motivating factor. Doubly so since the fight is Saudi Arabia's, not ours.

#28 | Posted by SunTzuMeow at 2019-09-21 07:56 PM | Reply

#22 | Posted by snoofy With 20% of the production capacity of OPEC you would think they would be doing better than Bulgaria and Estonia who's prime exports are fish, pork and wine. Here is the reality. Fracking in the United States has had a global effect on oil markets. We are out of the import market. This has caused a glut in oil supply. Prices have fallen by more than half. Nations that wholly depend on that price per barrel to fund their governments had two options, expand production or cut spending. The Saudis beat everyone to the punch and Iran and Venezuela where left holding the bag. So now Iran in desperation will mine a few tankers, fly a few drones, etc. Not so much for starting a war but to drive the cost of oil up. Nothing raises the cost of raw materials like the threat of a war.

#29 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-09-21 08:10 PM | Reply

"Fracking in the United States has had a global effect on oil markets. We are out of the import market."

^
100% "Pants On Fire"
www.eia.gov
June 2019
US Crude Imports 277,155 (thousand barrels)

I don't konw where you get your information, but they're lying to you, and playing you for a fool.
Don't let them do that to you.

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-21 08:15 PM | Reply

""Fracking in the United States has had a global effect on oil markets. We are out of the import market."
^
100% "Pants On Fire"
www.eia.gov
June 2019
US Crude Imports 277,155 (thousand barrels)"

Fracking is used primarily for natural gas extraction, though much smaller percentage of petroleum is extracted using this method. The US produces more NG than it consumes. Perhaps that is what docnjo was talking about. You'll have to ask him.

"1. Does the U.S. consume more gas than it produces?

No. Gas production jumped 12 percent in 2018 to a record 89.6 billion cubic feet a day while consumption was 81.7 billion cubic feet per day, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration. The problem is getting it to the right places at the right time because of insufficient pipeline capacity near big metropolitan centers. Pipelines historically have been designed to operate at a reduced rate for most of the year so that when a cold snap hits, there's space for a surge in demand. But with the shale boom, many households, power plants and factories have switched from fuels such as heating oil and coal to take advantage of cheap gas. "

www.bloomberg.com

#31 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-21 08:22 PM | Reply

And yes, fracking does have an effect on oil markets, even if not that much petroleum is obtained using fracking. As my linked article says, many consumers of petroleum products are switching to NG because of its abundance and lower cost per BTU.

#32 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-21 08:24 PM | Reply

"And while on the topic of maturity; you'd think one who claims to have been thrust in harm's way would be a bit more restrained in wanting others to do the same especially with retribution being the motivating factor. Doubly so since the fight is Saudi Arabia's, not ours.

#28 | POSTED BY SUNTZUMEOW AT 2019-09-21 07:56 PM "

???

I've said dozens, maybe hundreds of times I think the US should bring all our troops hme and let those barbarians duke it out on their own. I've been very consistent on that. I even made that clear as recently as yesterday.

Please do not put words in my mouth or otherwise insinuate I think the US should be fighting Saudi Arabia's fight.

"The House of Saud has some pretty cool toys our defense contractors have sold them. Time they start using them and stop depending on the US.

POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2019-09-20 09:52 PM "

"I am *against* the US fighting for Saudi Arabia. They have a cool arsenal thanks to the US. They need to use it.
But if we get dragged into a conflict there, I am *for* fighting it to win, collateral damage be damned.

POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2019-09-18 11:42 PM "

#33 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-21 08:33 PM | Reply

"#28 | POSTED BY SUNTZUMEOW "

You never answered my question.

Do you think someone has to enlist in order to have an opinion in whether the US gets involved in an armed conflict? That is surely implied in your response, "So, when are you enlisting?"

Is that the case, or did I misinterpret that "enlist" response?

#34 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-21 08:40 PM | Reply

US Crude Imports 277,155 thousand barrels? Check what our import levels were 20 years ago. Of course we import oil, Oil companies use the cheapest they can get. The perception is what maters to the market. Conventional drilling only recovers about 40% of the oil in the ground, believing that if the price goes high enough it will encourage the recovery of that resource has certainly drove the price down. The Saudis dumped a lot of crude on the market to inhibit the development of FRACKING about 2010. Fracking is expensive.

#35 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-09-21 08:41 PM | Reply

"US Crude Imports 277,155 thousand barrels? Check what our import levels were 20 years ago"

Yeah, that's at the link too.
June 1999: 334,793 thousand barrels.

Imports peaked at 450k barrels in August 2006.
Thanks Obama!

You know, we probably produce enough oil to be self sufficient, but since "we" as in the Republic don't actually produce any oil -- or have a national energy policy or nationalized oil production -- we're always going to be beholden to foreign oil companies like Shell and BP.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-21 09:00 PM | Reply

"Imports peaked at 450k barrels in August 2006.
Thanks Obama!"

???

#37 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-21 09:10 PM | Reply

Is that the case, or did I misinterpret that "enlist" response?

#34 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-21 08:40 PM | Reply

You did.

#38 | Posted by SunTzuMeow at 2019-09-21 09:28 PM | Reply

"Is that the case, or did I misinterpret that "enlist" response?
#34 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-21 08:40 PM | Reply
You did.

#38 | POSTED BY SUNTZUMEOW"

Please explain what you meant by it.

#39 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-21 09:33 PM | Reply

We need to stay the hell out. Iran did not attack the United States, and Saudi Arabia is not an ally worth defending.

#40 | Posted by cbob at 2019-09-21 10:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Iran did not attack the United States

Attacking the US embassy is regarded as an attack on US soil.

Add the taking of American hostages to that.

So yes, they attacked the US.

#41 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-09-21 10:42 PM | Reply

LOL... The Saudis did this to themselves to raise oil prices. It's something their recently oil minister failed to do by other methods....and yes it is worth it to them (and Packistan) to do it this way... besides it is just another method of proving how ineffective our military is at winnning ground wars.

#42 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-09-22 03:01 AM | Reply

The Saudis did this to themselves to raise oil prices.

LOL... why this drama when they can just stop drilling for a while?

(and Packistan)

Really???

Do tell!

#43 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-09-22 03:10 AM | Reply

Iran did not attack the United States

Attacking the US embassy is regarded as an attack on US soil.

Add the taking of American hostages to that.

So yes, they attacked the US.
#41 | POSTED BY J_TREMAIN AT 2019-09-21 10:42 PM | FLAG:

I wasn't talking about 1979.

#44 | Posted by cbob at 2019-09-22 08:03 AM | Reply

I wasn't talking about 1979

But I am.

Why?

Because the situation you find yourself in was created in 1979.

It's been a slow slide to hell.

#45 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-09-22 08:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Because the situation you find yourself in was created in 1979.
It's been a slow slide to hell.

#45 | POSTED BY J_TREMAIN "

Yep. Carter should have told Iran, "You have 48 hours to release the captured embassy staff. If you don't, we're coming in guns a-blazing. Yes, the 48 Americans will probably die, but so will thousands of Iranians."

But Carter was weak and that is probably why his considered one of the worst prersidents in history.

#46 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-22 08:24 AM | Reply

Carter was weak

Even the wabbit had a go at him.

The man gave off weakness-radiation.

#47 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-09-22 09:00 AM | Reply

#47 | Posted by J_Tremain I could forgive Carter for his foreign policy mistakes, but some of the things he did were epic in the stupidity he showed. The Soviet Union saw weakness and clamped down on Eastern Europe, then invaded Afghanistan, which started a war that has lasted 40 years there. I will not forgive him deregulating the Savings and Loan industry. Exactly what he did was allow these places to invest in crap they had no business getting involved in. Originally the industry was supposed to provide capital to finance home loans and credit to small business. Every conman and thief in the country saw the opportunity and we got disasters like Vernon Savings. A lot of shady crap went on, mostly on investments in very speculative stocks and options,(mob kickbacks) and loans that should have never been made to friends and cronies. The lure of easy money draws predators faster than blood in the water draws sharks.

#48 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-09-22 09:27 AM | Reply

Why?

Because the situation you find yourself in was created in 1979.

It's been a slow slide to hell.

#45 | POSTED BY J_TREMAIN AT 2019-09-22 08:13 AM | FLAG:

You're not wrong.

#49 | Posted by cbob at 2019-09-22 09:34 AM | Reply

we're always going to be beholden to foreign oil companies like Shell and BP.

#36 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-09-21 09:00 PM | REPLY

You're beholden to yourself then. You want to be the world leader. You don't get to be the world leader without dominating global energy interests.

#50 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-09-23 08:00 AM | Reply

It's the price of admission. Don't cry about it lol, you vote for it every single election.

#51 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-09-23 08:00 AM | Reply

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