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Saturday, September 21, 2019

Tonyroma: Much as he did three years ago -- when he asked Russia to hack the emails of his Democratic rival -- President Trump on Friday seemed to make a similar request of Ukraine, all but urging the Eastern European nation to investigate Joe Biden, his potential Democratic opponent. "It doesn't matter what I discussed, but I will say this " somebody ought to look into Joe Biden," Trump said Friday in the Oval Office ... It was 2016 all over again, when Trump looked directly into the camera and exhorted a geopolitical foe to steal the emails of Hillary Clinton, his Democratic rival, and release them to the public.

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Less than a year after Trump's public encouragement of Russia to meddle in the 2016 presidential election, special counsel Robert S. Mueller III and a host of congressional committees would devote months to investigating that very question " whether the president or his campaign had conspired with Russia and, later, whether Trump had tried to obstruct justice.
Trump's defense of his titular Russia comment was that obviously he wasn't seriously asking Russia to actually break into Hillary Clinton's server and locate her disputed emails. It was just said in jest on the campaign trail, seemingly a tacit admission of understanding that to actually ASK Russia to undertake an action - whose fruits would benefit him - was absolutely wrong and likely illegal.

This time he's admitting that he's done exactly that, and trying to justify it by almost shouting that the 'facts' he wants the Ukraine to establish will absolutely help his electoral objectives.

And this is where we are....

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-21 09:22 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump does these things. Anyone really arguing that any more? If he does these things he does worse. Anyone like to argue that?

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-21 09:55 AM | Reply

TONY, I think the question is how many of Trump's supporters are going to welcome his destruction of democratic institutions and assumption of dictatorship, de factor or de jure. I've noticed that the more blatant Trump gets, the goofier they get. That is, they just laugh and make jokes and taunt people to do anything about it.

What it reminds me of, for those who can remember, is how the Russians dealt with complaints when they invaded Afghanistan.

#3 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-21 10:04 AM | Reply

Some people are defining the Deep State as anyone who wants to see Donald Trump obey the law. Apparently any law.

#4 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-21 10:05 AM | Reply

One other point that isn't widely discussed yet about the circumstances surrounding the call is this:

On July 24th, Robert Mueller testified about the findings of his investigation into the Trump campaign and foreign measures to interfere in the 2016 election.

On July 25th Donald Trump made the call to the Ukraine president where he pressured him to investigate/prosecute his political opponent and requested that he do so at least 8 times during the course of a single phone call.

Apparently, the only thing Donald Trump learned from the Russia investigation is that whatever he did do, he got away with it.

#5 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-21 12:25 PM | Reply

Again with the lie that Trump asked Russia to hack HRC's emails, even though those emails weren't on her sever any longer. Even HRC admits that they were deleted. And only a complete moron would think that 31k yoga and wedding plan emails would help Trump win in 2016.

#6 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-09-21 10:50 PM | Reply

"Again with the lie that Trump asked Russia to hack HRC's emails"

apparently you haven't seen the video.

#7 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-09-21 10:52 PM | Reply

Trump asked Russia to find emails. You're welcome to check the video. Since Russia doesn't have access to a time machine and those emails were already deleted, it couldn't be a request to hack something that didn't exist any more

#8 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-09-21 11:00 PM | Reply

prove trump knew they were deleted.

#9 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-09-21 11:14 PM | Reply

#9 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

Prove Trump has done anything illegal - anything - and you'll be the first.

#10 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-09-21 11:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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Please tell me you're joking, Alexandrite. He knew because Sec Clinton admitted it in an interview a year earlier.

"In total, more than 30,000 emails were deleted "because they were personal and private about matters that I believed were within the scope of my personal privacy," Clinton told reporters in March of 2015, as the controversy around her private emails was growing."

abcnews.go.com

#11 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-09-21 11:23 PM | Reply

sheeple doesn't know what the emoluments clause is.

#12 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-09-21 11:27 PM | Reply

or extortion.

#13 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-09-21 11:30 PM | Reply

#12 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

When does the trial start, pant wetter?

#14 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-09-21 11:32 PM | Reply

he broke campaign finance laws paying hush money to stormy daniels.

#15 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-09-21 11:32 PM | Reply

trump altered the dorian map with a sharpie.

www.law.cornell.edu

Whoever knowingly issues or publishes any counterfeit weather forecast or warning of weather conditions falsely representing such forecast or warning to have been issued or published by the Weather Bureau, United States Signal Service, or other branch of the Government service, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ninety days, or both.

#16 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-09-21 11:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#12 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE
When does the trial start, pant wetter?

#14 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM"

It never will for one of two reasons:

1) the dems have nothing and they know it
2) they have something but they are too cowardly and put party over justice

#17 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-21 11:35 PM | Reply

he broke campaign finance laws paying hush money to stormy daniels.
#15 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE AT 2019-09-21 11:32 PM

You just think that because you're ignorant of the subject. That's ok, you can educate yourself easily enough.

www.washingtonpost.com

#18 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-09-21 11:36 PM | Reply

"Whoever knowingly issues or publishes any counterfeit weather forecast or warning of weather conditions falsely representing such forecast or warning to have been issued or published by the Weather Bureau, United States Signal Service, or other branch of the Government service, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ninety days, or both."

Whine, whine, whine, whine, whine.

So convince your chicken ---- party to impeach the ------------ and quit whining about how evil he is for ----- sake.

#19 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-21 11:37 PM | Reply

www.google.com

www.google.com

#20 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-09-21 11:38 PM | Reply

go ---- yourself, deadbeat dad.

#21 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-09-21 11:39 PM | Reply

Whoever knowingly issues or publishes any counterfeit weather forecast or warning of weather conditions falsely representing such forecast or warning to have been issued or published by the Weather Bureau, United States Signal Service, or other branch of the Government service

It is a good thing then that he didn't issue or publish that, or have it issued or published. Thanks for showing another example of no wrongdoing

#22 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-09-21 11:40 PM | Reply

I just gave you quite a few examples, sheep.

that enough? there's more.

#23 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-09-21 11:41 PM | Reply

"go ---- yourself, deadbeat dad.

#21 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE"

Ooh. My stalker is back. I make a pertinent and on topic reply and he can't rebut it so he goes into stalk mode.

LOL

Try rebutting my point rather than hijacking the thread. It's not about me, so don't make it that way.

Remember how much you whined about me hijacking threads? Oh. Lib. Do as you say, not as you do -- right?

LOL

#24 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-21 11:41 PM | Reply

it was shown on tv, avigdore.

thus issued.

#25 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-09-21 11:42 PM | Reply

goatman- you attacked me but IM stalking you?

---- off.

#26 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-09-21 11:42 PM | Reply

"goatman- you attacked me but IM stalking you?
---- off.

#26 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE "

I didn''t attack you -- I attacked your chicken ---- party and its whiners.

Reading comprehensin is fundamental, alexandrite.

#27 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-21 11:44 PM | Reply

No, that isn't what issuing a warning is. You are still making statements from ignorance. Here is the process for issuing a weather warning.

www.weather.gov

#28 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-09-21 11:45 PM | Reply

tell you what, goatboy...when you're able to pass a background check and legally obtain guns for yourself, you can lecture the democrats on following the law.

and when you're smart enough not to brag about your lawbreaking, maybe someone here will consider your thoughts seriously.

#29 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-09-21 11:49 PM | Reply

"when you're able to pass a background check "

I am able.

Not that I need your permission to do anything. Get over yourself. LOL

And perhaps you haven't noticed, but one does not need to conform to any standards to reply here, so again, get over yourself thinking you can set them.

OK, senor hubris? LOL

#30 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-21 11:52 PM | Reply

have the last word three times.

bye stalker.

#31 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-09-21 11:53 PM | Reply

"and when you're smart enough not to brag about your lawbreaking, maybe someone here will consider your thoughts seriously.

#29 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE "

So people who talk about smoking week illegally, speeding, etc. shouldn't be able to post here?

When did you appoint yourself as the standard setter here?

What arrogance. LOL

And I don't a ---- if people take me seriously or not. I'm not a vain creature like you who depends on everyne's approval or melts like a snowflake.

#32 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-21 11:54 PM | Reply

"bye stalker.

#31 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE "

I hope this is "bye" forever and not just until tomorrow night when you creep out of your tomb ro stalk me again.

Is it?

Probably not. It's clear I am too deep under your skin. You jave proven that over and over with your "first strike" attacks on me every night.

#33 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-21 11:56 PM | Reply

"goatman- you attacked me but IM stalking you?

---- off.

#26 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

Just plonk him like 35 of us have done already. He's a useless troll. Seems he has nothing else to do in his life. Sad, but not our problem that he feels the need to ruin every thread, every day on this site with childish trolling, after which he complains people are picking on and trolling him LMAO!!

#34 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-22 12:58 AM | Reply

"#26 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE
Just plonk him like 35 of us have done already."

AU once again proving he can plonk me, (or so he keeps saying) ut he can't get me out from under his skin. LOL

I realize there is no rent, but could you get some furnishings up here in your head for me? It's completely empty. Oh, have some beer sent up, too.

#35 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-22 07:18 AM | Reply

At this point there are 18 posts that I can read. 35 are listed at the top.

7 of the 18 are directed toward posters that I no longer choose to see, so only 9 posts actually have to do with the article that are from posters visible to me.

9 out of 35.

There is a qualitative message in those numbers for those here to discuss facts and topics instead of attacking and trolling other posters, and AU addresses it right above.

#36 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-22 08:29 AM | Reply

"There is a qualitative message in those numbers for those here to discuss facts and topics instead of attacking and trolling other posters, and AU addresses it right above.

#36 | POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2019-09-22 08:29 AM "

You do realize, don't you Tony that it was Alexandrite who continually derails the thread. It was going fine until he got personal in posts 12 and 13. Then he does it again in post 21.

You allude the problem is me by referencing AU's post.

Why don't you blame the pwerson who actually derailed it and has a history of doing just that?? Or are you suggesting that when someone derails a thread, the person he atttacks should not respond.

I don't understand you lefties who fail to put blame where it belongs and like to blame me. Blame the person who throws the first punch, because most people will respond. No, I'm not claiming victimshood (the knee jerk response). I am merely pointing out facts that you and the left oddly fail to see.

#37 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-22 08:45 AM | Reply

I'm totally not curious why a foreign energy company would pay Biden's son 50000 per month. Given he had no experience in the Ukraine or energy.

#38 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-09-22 09:38 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'm totally not curious why a foreign energy company would pay Biden's son 50000 per month. Given he had no experience in the Ukraine or energy.

Then this will explain how it came to happen.

In early 2014, Zlochevsky sought to assemble a high-profile international board to oversee Burisma, telling prospective members that he wanted the company to adopt Western standards of transparency. Among the board members he recruited was a former President of Poland, Aleksander Kwaniewski, who had a reputation as a dedicated reformer. In early 2014, at Zlochevsky's suggestion, Kwaniewski met with Devon Archer in Warsaw and encouraged him to join Burisma's board, arguing that the company was critical to Ukraine's independence from Russia. Archer agreed.

When Archer told Hunter that the board needed advice on how to improve the company's corporate governance, Hunter recommended the law firm Boies Schiller Flexner, where he was "of counsel." The firm brought in the investigative agency Nardello & Co. to assess Burisma's history of corruption. Hunter joined Archer on the Burisma board in April, 2014. Three months later, in a draft report to Boies Schiller, Nardello said that it was "unable to identify any information to date regarding any current government investigation into Zlochevsky or Burisma," but cited unnamed sources saying that Zlochevsky could be "vulnerable to investigation for financial crimes" and for "perceived abuse of power."

www.newyorker.com

#39 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-22 11:32 AM | Reply

It couldn't have been because pops was the vice president and powerfully connected.

#40 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-09-22 12:59 PM | Reply

It couldn't have been because pops was the vice president and powerfully connected.

Of course it probably was. But unless the company received an unwarranted, improper benefit from pops, there was nothing illegal about the confluence.

#41 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-22 01:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump asked Russia to find emails. You're welcome to check the video. Since Russia doesn't have access to a time machine and those emails were already deleted, it couldn't be a request to hack something that didn't exist any more

#8 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

thehill.com

Russian military officers targeted former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton with hacking attempts within hours of then-candidate Donald Trump suggesting Moscow should find Clinton's emails, according to special counsel Robert Mueller's report released Thursday.

"Within approximately five hours of Trump's statement, GRU officers targeted for the first time Clinton's personal office," the report reads, referring to Russia's military intelligence agency.

Well... apparently YOU are SO MUCH SMARTER than the Russians, because they DID try to hack Hillary after Trump's "request".

And only a complete moron would think that 31k yoga and wedding plan emails would help Trump win in 2016.

#6 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

So... Trump asked Russia to try to find the emails. Then Russia DID try to find the emails. Are you saying Trump is the moron, Russia is the moron, or both?

And I seem to remember Republicans getting all up in arms about the "deleted emails" as well. They must be morons as well.

#42 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-09-23 10:02 AM | Reply

"Are you saying Trump is the moron, Russia is the moron, or both?"

Avigdore is obviously the moron for believing either one of them.

#43 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-09-23 10:27 AM | Reply

Again with the lie that Trump asked Russia to hack HRC's emails, even though those emails weren't on her sever any longer. Even HRC admits that they were deleted. And only a complete moron would think that 31k yoga and wedding plan emails would help Trump win in 2016.

#6 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

STOP THE PRESSES!

4 years later you admit the 31K missing emails were actually just yoga and wedding plan emails rather than business emails she was required to keep.

Fact is, he still asked Russia to hack those emails if they could find them somehow and release them. Sorry, it's literally on camera. He asked them to do something illegal for him.

#44 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-09-23 01:11 PM | Reply

So... Trump asked Russia to try to find the emails. Then Russia DID try to find the emails continued months of attempting to break into DNC servers.
#42 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-09-23 10:02 AM


Fixed that for you.

#45 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-09-23 01:24 PM | Reply

Uhh... We are talking about Hillary's servers, not the DNC. I know it's complicated, but if you try VERY HARD you might be able to keep up.

#46 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-09-24 08:08 AM | Reply

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