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Saturday, September 28, 2019

The Army, Navy and Marine Corps all saw the rate of suicides go up, with only the Air Force showing a decrease, according to data released by the Pentagon on Thursday.

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Well duh.

The MIC is the gift that keeps on giving. Elevated number of suicides are just a small part of the perennial goody bag.

The less global intervention-- the less suicides. Until then, prepare for 50 more years of this type of misery.

#1 | Posted by pumpkinhead at 2019-09-27 09:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Well yeah.

Fat Nixon is pushing for war in Iran, sending soldiers to defend the terrorist Saudi's at the same time he is stealing money from the DOD used to care for their families to build the wall that he promised Mexico will pay for.

#2 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-09-27 09:56 AM | Reply

The grotesque and bloated welfare baby called the American military is like some stinking 500 lb fat guy who can't even begin to lose weight because of the enablers surrounding him who refuse to fat shame him into dieting or exercising.

#3 | Posted by pumpkinhead at 2019-09-27 10:04 AM | Reply

It's due to operational tempo and poor access to resources. Waiting lists, appointments scheduled out to weeks from the initial booking, when those folks need to speak to someone on a shorter timeframe.
Also doesn't help that those who need help often don't speak up, speak out, or check themselves into the ER if they're having ideations.

#4 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-09-27 10:40 AM | Reply

I posted 3 days ago about 4 suicides on my current ship, including 3 in a week. drudge.com
Got a grand total of 0 comments.
People don't care. They don't want to know.
These aren't sailors who are deployed or due to operational tempo. They're sailors who are looking at 30 months of shore duty on 8 section duty while getting paid for sea duty. At least a couple of them dealing with bills and divorce.

#5 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-09-27 01:44 PM | Reply

Avig, didn't see your thread but I know some folks on the Bush. Real sad state of affairs and what sounds like toxic leadership. I'm lucky that my bros seem to be in one of the better shops.

#6 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-09-27 01:52 PM | Reply

The MIC is the gift that keeps on giving. Elevated number of suicides are just a small part of the perennial goody bag. - #1 | Posted by pumpkinhead at 2019-09-27 09:39 AM

Here's hoping that numbers aren't over your head.

Last year, the Navy recorded 68 active duty suicides " about 20.7 per 100,000 people.
For comparison, officials point to the most recently available and demographically adjusted civilian rate from 2016, which lists 26.8 suicides per 100,000 people.

So while suicide rates are increasing for those in the MIC, they still aren't as high as the civilian rate. The MIC just cares more, so has started to take real actions to figure out why and fight the increase in order to support those troops.

#7 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-09-27 01:53 PM | Reply

GONOLES:
I don't know about lower level leadership, but the CO and XO, CHENG, CSO, RO have bent over backwards for the good of their sailors. 8 section duty...seems crazy, but there has been talk of going to 10 section. Every holiday is a 4-day weekend Fri-Mon. Every time you do have duty, you get the next day off. So much MWR that the pizza, doughnut boxes are everywhere. Awards ceremonies seem to happen daily. We have real restaurants driving in trailers/trucks for lunches. I really don't know what else CAN be done.

#8 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-09-27 01:58 PM | Reply

"Last year, the Navy recorded 68 active duty suicides " about 20.7 per 100,000 people."

The Navy is only one part of the military, clown. But keep trying.

Now how many suicides by Marines? Bet its above the national average. How about former active-duty military?

As I said earlier, the MIC-- the gift that keeps on giving. Keep your head in the sand, MIC supporter.

#9 | Posted by pumpkinhead at 2019-09-27 03:48 PM | Reply

""Last year, the Navy recorded 68 active duty suicides " about 20.7 per 100,000 people.""

Yet another reason to join the Navy vs another branch of the service.

#10 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-27 04:06 PM | Reply

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I saw (as in being on the same ship) two suicides in the Navy. The first one was at the end of a 9 month WESPAC cruise (in which my ship, the USS Holt was involved in the Mayaguez incident. We were a week out of Pearl Harbor. The day after payday this guy whom we all considered a little nutty was giving all his money away on the mess decks before our nightly movie. Everyone took it. He claimed it was useless because the world was ending the next day, but he was going to be saved by a spacecraft that was in the seas nearby disguised as a submarine (as a sonarman, I can testify there were no subs in the area LOL)

That was the last anyone saw of him. All life preservers were still in place as well as all life jackets being accounted for.

The other was a guy who was being investigated by NIS (Naval Investigative Services) for selling pot on the ship. They were closing in on him. He took a .45 and blew a hole in his heart. More like blew his heart out of his body. Talk about messy. I saw the blood after they took his body away. I was about 40 feet away when he did it. I heard the shot, but being in the shipyards, I just thought it was an unusual shipyard sound. Nope.

Odd thing is this guy's division officer is going to be at a ship's reunion here in San Antonio next weekend. The ------- helped investigate him and had the chutzpah to put up a creepy weepy message about him on FB of himself toasting Pope with a 41 YO bottle of scotch since it was the 41st anniversary of his death. What a jerk. I'm going to have a hard time being near this guy next week.

#11 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-27 04:16 PM | Reply

Now how many suicides by Marines? Bet its above the national average. How about former active-duty military?

As I said earlier, the MIC-- the gift that keeps on giving. Keep your head in the sand, MIC supporter.

#9 | Posted by pumpkinhead at 2019-09-27 03:48 PM
I knew the numbers would be over your head.
Quotes from the 2 linked articles:
The suicide rate among active duty service members was 24.8 suicides per 100,000 service members
For comparison, officials point to the most recently available and demographically adjusted civilian rate from 2016, which lists 26.8 suicides per 100,000 people.

#12 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-09-27 06:58 PM | Reply

#11 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-27 04:16 PM
Don't be near him. No sense harshing your own mental health to deal with a moron.

#13 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-09-27 07:01 PM | Reply

"demographically adjusted civilian rate"

Oh my.

"In 2017, there were 47,173 recordedsuicides, up from 42,773 in 2014, according to the CDC's National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS). On average, adjusted for age, the annualU.S. suicide rateincreased 24% between 1999 and 2014, from 10.5 to 13.0suicidesper 100,000 people, the highestraterecorded in 28 years."

So they adjusted the civilian population to match the demographics of the active duty military...

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-27 07:03 PM | Reply

@#$ ... It's due to operational tempo and poor access to resources. Waiting lists, appointments scheduled out to weeks from the initial booking, when those folks need to speak to someone on a shorter timeframe. ...

The VA needs to do a better job in their mission.

Once you get past the red tape, the VA seems to provide the great care they should provide.

But that red tape.

Jon Stewart, when he hosted The Daily show, was a big proponent of fixing the system our Veterans have to face to get the care they need. And changes were being made.

Unfortunately, he issue seems to have been placed on the back burner lately.

Why?

#15 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-09-28 08:52 PM | Reply

So they adjusted the civilian population to match the demographics of the active duty military...

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-27 07:03 PM
Doesn't make a lot of sense to compare the suicide rate of a military members with infants and children.

#16 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-09-28 09:18 PM | Reply

>Active-duty Military Suicides Spike to Record High
>somehow this is unusual and unexpected when military is used, re-used, and over-used as attack-dogs for isntreal

#17 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-09-29 02:16 AM | Reply

Meh... I have been informed by conservatives that people who commit suicide will do it regardless of other factors, so we should just let it happen. I believe it was something about people being able to choose how they live, or not live.

#18 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-09-29 07:18 PM | Reply

This is what happens when Liberals get in control of things they have no business being in control of. When you turn kids in to snowflakes, they grow up not knowing how to handle adversity. They take failures personally and don't know how to cope when their superiors have to come down on them for things. Giving Liberals the ability to influence military training and processes is like given Cons the ability to influence civil rights. America has never been able to sort out the strengths of groups and have them handle what they are most capable of handling, and telling them to keep their hands off of the things they should never be a part of.

#19 | Posted by humtake at 2019-09-30 11:43 AM | Reply

This is what happens when Liberals get in control of things they have no business being in control of.

#19 | Posted by humtake

No this is what happens when you elect an republican oil man to be president.

Dubya is the one that lied our military into an oil war to impress his daddy.

Everyone with a brain knew it would result in massive suffering for the soldier class.

#20 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-30 02:18 PM | Reply

74 years of working for a losing organization wears on a soul.

#21 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-09-30 03:06 PM | Reply

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