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Thursday, October 03, 2019

The US has been given the go-ahead to impose tariffs on $7.5bn (6.1bn) of goods it imports from the EU. It is the latest chapter in a 15-year battle between the US and the EU over illegal subsidies for planemakers Airbus and rival Boeing.

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Now airlines can pay 10% more for Airbus or buy planes from Boeing who KNOWINGLY and WILLFULLY sold planes they KNEW would kill people.

#1 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-10-03 06:31 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Nixon,

How Lousy Cockpit Design Crashed An Airbus, Killing 228 People
www.fastcompany.com

#2 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-10-03 10:59 PM | Reply

More liberal tears over yet another Trump win - which is also another win for America. Liberals love to cheer on China, North Korean, Iran, etc but hate to see the US win. Why is that? Why all the self-hatred? The only people that I have ever seen such a level of self-hatred from are the Swedes.

#3 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-10-03 11:38 PM | Reply

Pilots can refuse to fly unairworthy aircraft at anytime. This is not a death match.
When the Ethiopian pilots were said to have known about the Boeing MCAS issue before their flight they could have ended it there, still on the ground.

#4 | Posted by LesWit at 2019-10-03 11:48 PM | Reply

#4 | POSTED BY LESWIT

But can't you see how it is all Trump's fault that their are design flaws at Boeing? Can't you see that we should not be happy that we won, AGAIN, in an international trade dispute that was harming US workers? We need more self-loathing.

#5 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-10-03 11:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The World Trade Organization (WTO) ruling will mean tariffs on EU goods ranging from aircraft to cheese, olives and jumpers from 18 October.

#6 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-10-04 12:39 AM | Reply

Yeah.. we get to pay more for things... another Trump win indeed

#7 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2019-10-04 01:00 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Big win for Putin.

#8 | Posted by bored at 2019-10-04 01:05 AM | Reply

While I'm sure Trump will take credit for this 'win', European subsidization of Airbus has been an issue under litigation since well before he took office.

OCU

#9 | Posted by OCUser at 2019-10-04 01:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"While I'm sure Trump will take credit for this 'win', European subsidization of Airbus has been an issue under litigation since well before he took office.
9 | POSTED BY OCUSER"

First - it is definitely a WIN.
Second - Trump deserves the credit.

#10 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-10-04 01:24 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

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My point was that if the 2016 election had gone the other way, President Hillary Clinton would be taking credit for this 'win'.

This ruling, by the WTO, was inevitable and there was very little that Trump and his people could have done to alter the outcome or the timing, except possibly screwing it up if they had tried to undermine the work that had already been done by at least the last two American administrations.

From the article at the head of this thread:

It is the latest chapter in a 15-year battle between the US and the EU over illegal subsidies for planemakers Airbus and rival Boeing.

OCU

#11 | Posted by OCUser at 2019-10-04 01:48 AM | Reply

US automakers, already getting killed in Europe, look out what's coming. Same for Boeing.

#12 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2019-10-04 06:22 AM | Reply

A win? Only an idiot would consider this a win. Putting tariffs on products we don't even produce? How utterly stupid. This is just a very stupidly conducted attempt to benefit Boeing which built airplanes that are still grounded. Hope you don't like single malt scotch cuz you're going to have to pay more for it. Trump seems determined to put us into a recession and I think he is going to succeed.

#13 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-04 06:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I better buy a case of Cotes du Rhone before the 18th.

#14 | Posted by schmanch at 2019-10-04 07:15 AM | Reply

Trump seems determined to put us into a recession and I think he is going to succeed.

#13 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-04 06:40 AM | Reply | Flag:

If it's going to happen, August of 2020 would be a good time.

#15 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-04 08:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" Why is that? Why all the self-hatred?"

Cuz Trump beat Hillary.
No "ya buts" about it.

#16 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-10-04 09:18 AM | Reply

"Second - Trump deserves the credit""

Sure, why not? After all, Hitler got credit for helping invent the Love Bug...

But Reductio Ad Herbium aside...

The best thing about Trump is that he may inaugurate a long period of time where Republicans don't get close enough to sniff the Oval Office chair of the White House.

I'd really like to vote for a Republican. But currently, the intellectual armpit stench when they raise their arms, palms to the ground and salute their orange-skinned sun wheel god as they try to Make America great through jingoistic ineptitude is much much too overwhelming...

#17 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-10-04 09:57 AM | Reply

But can't you see how it is all Trump's fault that their are design flaws at Boeing?

#5 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-10-03 11:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

Your strawman is dangerously close to the flames.

#18 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-10-04 11:18 AM | Reply

except possibly screwing it up if they had tried to undermine the work that had already been done by at least the last two American administrations.

Frankly I am surprised he didn't screw it up.

#19 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-10-04 11:19 AM | Reply

Stock up on single malt!

#20 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-10-04 11:22 AM | Reply

Putting tariffs on products we don't even produce?

Wow, we don't produce airliners, cheese, whiskey, coffee etc.? When did that happen?

This is just a very stupidly conducted attempt to benefit Boeing which built airplanes that are still grounded.

Pro Tip: Boeing is the largest airplane manufacturer in the world and has many more models than the 737 Max.

How utterly stupid.

Yes, you are.

#21 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-10-04 11:29 AM | Reply

"More liberal tears over yet another Trump win - which is also another win for America. Liberals love to cheer on China, North Korean, Iran, etc but hate to see the US win. Why is that? Why all the self-hatred? The only people that I have ever seen such a level of self-hatred from are the Swedes."

Not really a Trump win. This is one example of our government doing what it's supposed to do beyond partisan hate. Obama was fighting for this in both of his terms.

"Trump seems determined to put us into a recession and I think he is going to succeed."

Trump tries to get us on even ground with China and Liberals cry like babies. Then he does the same thing with the full backing of the WTO who ruled in favor of the US, and Liberals still cry like babies. Eventually, the people like you on both sides need to be removed from all ability to provide your opinions on anything before we can get this country back in the right direction. Basically what you are saying is it's great for other countries to take financial advantage of another country. I know that one issue with Liberals on this is that the WTO and USA are both in the right against the countries Liberals think are the Mecca of the world and when they are proven wrong, they do what all Liberal snowflakes do these days and find a safe space and cry.

#22 | Posted by humtake at 2019-10-04 11:49 AM | Reply

I'm somewhere in the middle on this because I actually understand it so put the partisan hackery away. Frankly bad actors in trade should be punished and both the EU AND the USA are bad actors this time.

First - I am very aware of this ongoing 15-year battle over subsidies benefiting Airbus vs subsidies benefiting Boeing. They are BOTH subsidized by the respective governments and BOTH have been found in the wrong. It's been a --- for tat kind of thing. i.e "Meanwhile, the two sides are waiting for the WTO to decide on what tariffs the EU can impose against the US in retaliation for US state aid given to Boeing. That ruling is expected next year." BOTH are in the wrong in subsidizing these manufacturers is the bottom line when it comes to fair trade. BOTH sides will be able to "legally" tariff the other's goods so it is pretty stupid to cut off your nose to spite your face don't you think?

Second - It isn't a "trump" win. This case was before the WTO well before anyone imagined trump would even get the nomination. These cases take several years to be resolved. We get to pick the goods, so maybe that's what some of you might think is a "win" but again - to even be doing it since there will be retaliation is damned stupid. But everyone knows "Trade wars are easy to win" right? (snark off) The only winners will be the governments reaping in the tariffs. Not those directly impacted by the trade practices or those that suffer because of no wrong doing themselves (like farmers yet again - but then again they overwhelmingly voted for trump so more winning...)

The bottom line is as proven several times in history Isolationism (and protectionism) does not work (look what isolationism in the 1930s brought us.) Being good global citizens leads to flourishing economies and peace. Global trade is a necessary and critical part of that and therefore necessary and critical to every country in the world. And even though it is cutting off you nose to spite your face idiots will inevitably keep pushing for isolationism and protectionism. There are times when you have a particularly bad actor in trade and do need to punish them - China being the best example I can think of - but those are not every day cases.

This time BOTH the USA and the EU are about equally guilty. Today was the just the possible punishment we could hit the EU with and we are just waiting on our own punishment.

#23 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-10-04 02:13 PM | Reply

#22 | Posted by humtake

I have no issue putting us on even ground with China. It's stupid to think we are anywhere near achieving that though. They are not budging. Also this is the EU not China. China is in this for the long game. They actually have a long term plan that politics doesn't affect. China needs to be reigned in and should have been 20 years ago. They should have NEVER been given most favored nation trading status (Clinton and congressional Rs). China is probably the worst actor in international trade. How many major businesses are in part or in whole owned and subsidized by the Chinese government? What about laws on IP? etc.

So why did Trump tariff all sorts of other countries and keeps threatening more if it is "just" about China?

As for snowflakes will you be whining when the EU starts tariffing us back with the full backing of the WTO?

#24 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-10-04 02:19 PM | Reply

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