Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Monday, October 07, 2019

The Dallas Cowboys game Sunday featured a huh? moment that had nothing to do with the action on the field. It was the sight of former President George W. Bush and talk show host Ellen DeGeneres sitting next to each other that caught the attention of people watching the game on TV.

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Cute

#1 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-10-07 02:00 PM | Reply

Sickening

#2 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-10-07 05:50 PM | Reply

Nowadays, consorting with War Criminals is nothing new.

#3 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-10-07 06:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Sickening??
She's a nice person.

#4 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-10-07 06:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#2,

You are the problem with whats wrong with our political climate today. You are why there is a divide between Americans and I mostly only see this with liberals/Democrats. There's no reason why people with differing political ideologies cannot co-mingle together.

#5 | Posted by boaz at 2019-10-07 06:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

You are the problem with whats wrong with our political climate today. You are why there is a divide between Americans and I mostly only see this with liberals/Democrats. There's no reason why people with differing political ideologies cannot co-mingle together.

#5 | POSTED BY BOAZ

George Bush should be in jail for War Crimes -- and "liberals" and Democrats act like the WMD lies, the Iraq War, and torture, all never happened.

If one has no morals, then all this won't trouble you.

It's just showbizz -- gross.

#6 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-10-07 06:59 PM | Reply

#5

I agree with the no reason differing ideologies co-mingling part of your post and the part about it being an issue with today's political climate.

I disagree with it being a liberal mostly thing.It is not a one party issue both liberals and conservatives are guilty of it.

As a moderate and member of neither party in a liberal part of a conservative state I simply avoid politics and if pressed try and figure out if I'm dealing with a conservative or liberal and only discuss my politics that agree with them. Being a true moderate I have some commonality with everyone.

#7 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2019-10-07 07:02 PM | Reply

Can't you imagine the conversation?

George: So Ellen ever seen a dick pic before?

Laura: George!

George: heh heh here's a photo Cheney.

Ellen.....it's ok Laura he didn't whip it out this time.

#8 | Posted by Tor at 2019-10-07 08:23 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Ellen.....it's ok Laura he didn't whip it out this time.

#8 | POSTED BY TOR "

Hopefully Ellen didn't whip out her -------, either!

#9 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-07 08:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Ellen.....it's ok Laura he didn't whip it out this time.

#8 | POSTED BY TOR AT 2019-10-07 08:23 PM "

I think LBJ was the only president to do that in public.

#10 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-07 08:31 PM | Reply

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Sickening??
She's a nice person.

#4 | Posted by phesterOBoyle

hanging out with a man who got hundreds of thousands killed and blew up the mideast and wasted trillions of dollars.

#11 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-07 09:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You are the problem with whats wrong with our political climate today. You are why there is a divide between Americans and I mostly only see this with liberals/Democrats.

#5 | Posted by boaz

Yeah because liberals/democrats are the only ones not willing to play the "nothing wrong with a sociopath/war monger" delusion.

Your apathy doesn't mean you're a better person. It means you accept evil more easily.

#12 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-07 09:25 PM | Reply

"Yeah because liberals/democrats are the only ones not willing to play the "nothing wrong with a sociopath/war monger" delusion.
Your apathy doesn't mean you're a better person. It means you accept evil more easily.

#12 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY "

Says the person who wants Americans in danger in Syria so she can feel better about American credibility. Of course she won't put her own life in danger. She wants others to do it for her.

I'd say the sociopath is the person who wants others to shed blood on their behalf while staying safely at home

#13 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-07 09:29 PM | Reply

Ellen had a great response to keyboard warriors who attacked her over enjoying a football game with GWB, who she mentioned is a friend of hers.

#14 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-10-08 02:51 AM | Reply

hanging out with a man who got hundreds of thousands killed and blew up the mideast and wasted trillions of dollars.

#11 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-07 09:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

Dick Cheney is 1,000 times more responsible for Iraq than W. He was just the useful idiot they needed to get their agenda done.

#15 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-10-08 06:50 AM | Reply

Ellen had a great response to keyboard warriors who attacked her over enjoying a football game with GWB, who she mentioned is a friend of hers.

#14 | POSTED BYGONOLES92

It's not a great response for Ellen to say she and Dubya are pals and so are their children ...

Trump's kids and Chelsea Clinton are also friends.

What this shows to regular Americans is the fraudulent nature of politics ...

and that the rigged game is really all about the rich and powerful and their connections.

#16 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-10-08 07:05 AM | Reply

"Yeah because liberals/democrats are the only ones not willing to play the "nothing wrong with a sociopath/war monger" delusion."
SPEAKS

Following your war ideas, you must thrilled that Trump is pulling the troops out of Syria.

#17 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-10-08 08:42 AM | Reply

#16,

But that creates an "us vs them" type mentality, that's not going to unite the nation. I've been saying the same thing to blacks, who are creating this "us vs them" dynamic with whites.

An us vs them dynamic only leads to conflict.

#18 | Posted by boaz at 2019-10-08 09:17 AM | Reply

"But that creates an "us vs them" type mentality, that's not going to unite the nation. I've been saying the same thing to blacks, who are creating this "us vs them" dynamic with whites"

Boaz the peacemaker, but not the historian.

#19 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-10-08 09:21 AM | Reply

Boaz the peacemaker, but not the historian.

Sometimes, in order to move forward, you have to forgive the past.

#20 | Posted by boaz at 2019-10-08 09:42 AM | Reply

"Sometimes, in order to move forward, you have to forgive the past"

So, do you forgive the 9-11 perpetrators?

#21 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-10-08 09:47 AM | Reply

But that creates an "us vs them" type mentality, that's not going to unite the nation. I've been saying the same thing to blacks, who are creating this "us vs them" dynamic with whites.

An us vs them dynamic only leads to conflict.

#18 | POSTED BYBOAZ

As I pointed out in post #16, American politics is a fraudulent rigged game designed to have non-rich and non-connected people (aka the majority of the population) fighting amongst themselves ...

As the wealthy elites pal around stealing all nation's money and wealth.

As George Carlin famously pointed out -- it's a big club, and you and I are not in it ... youtu.be

Ellen Degeneres and George Bush yucking it up together -- pathetic, gross, sickening -- only suckers and chumps don't understand what I'm saying.

#22 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-10-08 10:59 AM | Reply

Says the person who wants Americans in danger in Syria so she can feel better about American credibility. Of course she won't put her own life in danger. She wants others to do it for her.

I'd say the sociopath is the person who wants others to shed blood on their behalf while staying safely at home

#13 | POSTED BYGOATMAN

You're the sociopath.

Trump lies in front of your face zillions of times a day and you dismiss it like a hole in your socks.

I understand why liberals and Democrats want to see Trump look bad ...

But you chuckleheads who call themselves conservatives and Republicans still refuse to take responsibility for the Iraq War disaster ...

And you still refuse to acknowledge Trump is a corrupt and incompetent commander-in-chief, which by itself is worthy of impeachment.

Trump wants to pull out America troops out from Syria? Great!

But doing so still means Trump is corrupt and incompetent and fully deserves to being impeached.

#23 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-10-08 11:09 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Boaz the peacemaker, but not the historian.

Sometimes, in order to move forward, you have to forgive the past.

#20 | Posted by boaz

You mean- sometimes, in order to get people to vote for your party again, you have to hope they forget the past.

You morons already want everyone to forget dubya, just like in 2 years you'll all be trying to erase trump and your cultlike loyalty to him.

#24 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-08 11:21 AM | Reply

"You morons already want everyone to forget dubya...
#24 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY "

Oh, looky -- the person who bitches about others engaging in whataboutism is engaging in whataboutism.

Again (and again and again) speaksoftly proves she wants us to do as she says, not as she does.

#25 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-08 11:25 AM | Reply

"forgive the 9-11 perpetrators?"
#isis recruiter alert!

#26 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-10-08 11:29 AM | Reply

"You're the sociopath.
POSTED BY PINCHALOAF "

Look up that word.

You have openly admitted in the past you don't understand big words. This is another.

#27 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-08 11:31 AM | Reply

"Ellen Degeneres and George Bush yucking it up together -- pathetic, gross, sickening -- only suckers and chumps don't understand what I'm saying.
POSTED BY PINCHALOAF AT 2019-10-08 10:59 AM "

I think we all understand what you are saying: You are an intolerant control freak who is unable to live and let live.

#28 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-08 11:35 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"forgive the 9-11 perpetrators?"

Just like it's up to American Muslims to show the American people they are not a threat, it's up to blacks to show all other races we dont have a chip on our shoulder.

#29 | Posted by boaz at 2019-10-08 11:53 AM | Reply

"You're the sociopath.
POSTED BY PINCHALOAF "

Look up that word.

You have openly admitted in the past you don't understand big words. This is another.

#27 | POSTED BYGOATMAN

Lame attempt at trolling, Troll.

Look up the genocide in Yemen, Trumper-fanboy ... that also deserves impeachment, Troll.

#30 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-10-08 11:55 AM | Reply

"George Bush should be in jail for War Crimes -- and "liberals" and Democrats act like the WMD lies, the Iraq War, and torture, all never happened."

This just adds to the hate that Liberals can't get rid of. There were no lies, there was incorrect information. That is why so many people on both sides backed it. The data wasn't fabricated. Not to mention they DID find a portion of the WMDs that were in question except those WMDs passed their expiration date so the Liberal media quickly kept it low key as if it didn't matter. Btw, torture occurred under Obama too so I guess he should be a war criminal. d

#31 | Posted by humtake at 2019-10-08 11:58 AM | Reply

This merely destroys the narrative some believe about folks they don't really know. Specifically, Ellen and GWB.

GWB was a bloodthirsty criminal who, no doubt, hated gays.

so why is Ellen being seen with him? Surely she would hate him more than anybody here...

Wait...no, hold on. Maybe we only think we know about these folks and maybe we have allowed ourselves to be influenced by mis-information peddlers who benefit from the common folk arguing about guns, gays, and abortion all the time.

#32 | Posted by eberly at 2019-10-08 12:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

Jesus H. Christ....

You know why they were sitting together and enjoying each other's company? Because they're both decent, likeable people who can separate politics from their everyday life.

#33 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-10-08 12:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

This just adds to the hate that Liberals can't get rid of. There were no lies, there was incorrect information. That is why so many people on both sides backed it. The data wasn't fabricated. Not to mention they DID find a portion of the WMDs that were in question except those WMDs passed their expiration date so the Liberal media quickly kept it low key as if it didn't matter. Btw, torture occurred under Obama too so I guess he should be a war criminal. d

#31 | POSTED BYHUMTAKE

If there is a Heavan, St. Peter who's in charge of who gets in and who doesn't, is going to laff you out of the room with that one ...

Say hi to Satan for all of us!

lol

#34 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-10-08 12:15 PM | Reply

You know why they were sitting together and enjoying each other's company? Because they're both decent, likeable people who can separate politics from their everyday life.

#33 | POSTED BYMUSTANG

One's a war criminal, and the other is an apologist for lying war criminals ...

Simple stuff for simple Americans living in the United States of Amnesia.

No wonder America is in decline.

#35 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-10-08 12:19 PM | Reply

"Look up the genocide ...
#30 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF "

I don't need to. I know what it means. Did I misuse that word as you did sociopath? Why do you bring this up? Just trolling, I presume.

#36 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-08 12:31 PM | Reply

I don't need to. I know what it means. Did I misuse that word as you did sociopath? Why do you bring this up? Just trolling, I presume.

#36 | POSTED BYGOATMAN

You know what genocide means ...

but you can't pry your goat-lips off of Trump's orange ------- long enough to admit the fact Trump is guilty of enabling the genocide in Yemen ...

let alone admitting the fact that Trump is a corrupt liar.

Ripping hacks like you is easy.

#37 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-10-08 12:43 PM | Reply

"One's a war criminal, and the other is an apologist for lying war criminals "

Ellen DeGeneres spent decades trying to convince people that didn't like her or who she was to reconsider their position. She's now at the point where she's receiving the benefits of that effort. Millions of conservative housewives now watch her show regularly, in part because she is willing to do things like this. I think you're making it much more black and white than it is, and that Ellen may have competing priorities. Besides, in terms of people being apologists for a war criminal she is so far down on the list of those putting in the real work toward that goal as to not even be worth mentioning. Bush is arguably a war criminal, no question there, but Ellen is nowhere near responsible for him not being brought to Justice. If you want to look for better candidates to lay responsibility for that look at the Obamas or the Clintons.

#38 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2019-10-08 12:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"but you can't pry your goat-lips off of Trump's orange -------
#37 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF "

When you can come down off the playground monkey bars to post, get back with me.

"Ripping hacks like you is easy."

I hope you didn't break the mirror high-fiving yourself.

#39 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-08 12:46 PM | Reply

#38 | POSTED BYHAGBARD_CELINE

I can agree with what you're saying ...

but Ellen's competing priorities (getting paid vs speaking out) just shows how strong the corporate grip is in America with in tamping down on any dissent even with people like Ellen Degeneres.

#40 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-10-08 01:13 PM | Reply

Oh, looky -- the person who bitches about others engaging in whataboutism is engaging in whataboutism.

Again (and again and again) speaksoftly proves she wants us to do as she says, not as she does.

#25 | Posted by goatman

The thread is about dubya dumbass. It's not whataboutism to talk about the topic of the thread.

#41 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-08 01:23 PM | Reply

"but Ellen's competing priorities (getting paid vs speaking out)"

I'ts not just about getting paid. If it were I'd be agreeing with you. It's about lesbians being not just tolerated but accepted by the broader population. She has an obligation to those who came before her and those that will come after in this regard because that acceptance is still very conditional with many.

#42 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2019-10-08 01:33 PM | Reply

"The thread is about dubya dumbass. It's not whataboutism to talk about the topic of the thread.

#41 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY "

I wasn't talking about Bush. I was talking about your reference to Trump. If you weren't so busy calling people childish names, you probably would have caught that. And you call me dumbass. LOL If you are going to resort to childish name calling (and obviously that is all you ever have), you should make sure your own ducks are in a row first. It's the prime directive of the internet.

The study of psychology teaches us that when someone resorts to name calling, it usually speaks to feelings of inferiority and a feeling of inadequacy of the person doing the name calling. People stoop to the process of name calling when they feel lesser and need to make themselves feel more powerful.

activerain.com

#43 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-08 01:38 PM | Reply

"It's about lesbians being not just tolerated but accepted by the broader population. She has an obligation to those who came before her and those that will come after in this regard because that acceptance is still very conditional with many."

She has no such obligation any more than you or I are obligated to speak out for those who share our lifestyles.

#44 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-08 01:45 PM | Reply

Hagbard is right.

Ellen is not an apologist. Are we better off if Ellen throws her drink in George's face and storms off?

no, clearly not. They certainly have philosophical differences but can be cordial towards one another.

This a good thing.....it's not an example of this country being in decline. If anything, it's the opposite.

#45 | Posted by eberly at 2019-10-08 01:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Sounds like that same intolerant attitude that gave us the obnoxious "We don't need black faces that don't want to be a black voice,"

#46 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-10-08 01:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

She gave a short talk about this. I had it on mute but captioning was on. She was her usual funny and likeable self and she really had a nice message: We can disagree about things and still get along. We can be nice to people who we disagree with.

It should be common sense, but it's becoming increasingly uncommon, especially on-line.

#47 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-10-08 02:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

"but Ellen's competing priorities (getting paid vs speaking out)"

At this point, she doesn't need the money. I doubt it's about getting paid.

This wasn't even planned. She accepted an invitation to the game and ended up sitting next to W Bush.

#48 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-10-08 02:08 PM | Reply

I would imagine celebrities cross paths at Cowboy games all the time.

#49 | Posted by eberly at 2019-10-08 02:09 PM | Reply

Sounds like that same intolerant attitude that gave us the obnoxious "We don't need black faces that don't want to be a black voice,"

#46 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Can you imagine how things would be if these people had the ability to impose a scarlet letter onto anybody who doesn't hold proper views?

#50 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-10-08 02:10 PM | Reply

I wasn't talking about Bush. I was talking about your reference to Trump. If you weren't so busy calling people childish names, you probably would have caught that. And you call me dumbass. LOL If you are going to resort to childish name calling (and obviously that is all you ever have), you should make sure your own ducks are in a row first. It's the prime directive of the internet.

The study of psychology teaches us that when someone resorts to name calling, it usually speaks to feelings of inferiority and a feeling of inadequacy of the person doing the name calling. People stoop to the process of name calling when they feel lesser and need to make themselves feel more powerful.

activerain.com

#43 | Posted by goatman

Referencing someone isn't the same thing as whataboutism moron. If you weren't a moron you wouldnt need this explained to you.

Why dont you call some more hillary supporters retarded while lecturing us about name calling hipocrite?

#51 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-08 02:12 PM | Reply

Are we better off if Ellen throws her drink in George's face and storms off?

#45 | Posted by eberly

Yes. We are better off if everyone who ever encounters him does the same thing. War criminals should be shunned if we're not going to prosecute them. It could discourage future war criminals and save lives.

#52 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-08 02:14 PM | Reply

"Are we better off if Ellen throws her drink in George's face and storms off?
#45 | Posted by eberly

Yes. We are better off if everyone who ever encounters him does the same thing.
#52 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY "

Have you been this hateful your entire life? I don't think I've ever seen a single positive post from you. And you post a lot! It must suck to live a life so full of hate and angst. I can't fathom it.

#53 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-08 02:18 PM | Reply

"Are we better off if Ellen throws her drink in George's face and storms off?
#45 | Posted by eberly
Yes. We are better off if everyone who ever encounters him does the same thing.
#52 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY "

Let me guess: You wholeheartedly approve of this -------, right?

www.youtube.com

#54 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-08 02:21 PM | Reply

Ellen is not an apologist. Are we better off if Ellen throws her drink in George's face and storms off?

no, clearly not. They certainly have philosophical differences but can be cordial towards one another.

This a good thing.....it's not an example of this country being in decline. If anything, it's the opposite.

#45 | POSTED BYEBERLY

Wrong

So you're okay with what America did with Operation Paperclip?

Being cordial is not associating with war criminals -- very simple.

If Ellen's kids want to pal around with Bush's kids, well, all these offspring of privilege can go do whatever they want ...

Anything else is condoning the lies (that are even documented) that had America illegally invading Iraq, and then being okay with the death and unnecessary death and destruction that America caused.

Ordinary Americans see something like this, and it just reinforces to them that our politics is as fake and as phoney as a 3-dollar bill -- unless you're an rich well-connected elite.

#55 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-10-08 02:21 PM | Reply

Speak, I guess Ellen just isn't as enlightened as you.

You are so much smarter and operate on a much higher level than Ellen that you know better than her how to behave in public.

For all we know, YOU'VE faced bigger obstacles than Ellen...and thus, know better.

Because THAT will help prevent electing someone like that again. Yes....I'm sure that's the path we should take.

Or...and this is just me thinking out loud here......maybe it's worse for us if Ellen reacts the way you would prefer.

Imagine the same social situation....and Ellen makes a scene. Now, we have millions of rednecks throwing her under the bus for acting the way you want her to....and maybe that actually emboldens the rednecks and their already low opinion of Ellen.

Today, we have millions of rednecks who are actually endeared more to Ellen than ever before....and because she took the high road.

We'll have to disagree Speak. I think we're better off and LESS likely to repeat our mistakes because of how Ellen managed herself rather than acting like ....well....you.

#56 | Posted by eberly at 2019-10-08 02:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

55

see 56

you can go sit with speak in the corner and keep playing "let's see how much we can hate everyone".

not interested.

#57 | Posted by eberly at 2019-10-08 02:25 PM | Reply

"#45 | POSTED BYEBERLY

Wrong
So you're okay with what America did with Operation Paperclip?
#55 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF "

Wow. Talk about a snoofy-like leap of logic! He'd be right proud of you, Pinchaloaf.

#58 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-08 02:26 PM | Reply

Have you been this hateful your entire life? I don't think I've ever seen a single positive post from you. And you post a lot! It must suck to live a life so full of hate and angst. I can't fathom it.

#53 | Posted by goatman

Have you been this defensive of war criminals your whole life? What about pedophiles? Want to take a stand for them as well? You spend your days defending the worst human beings in the country so you might as well.

#59 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-08 02:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

We'll have to disagree Speak. I think we're better off and LESS likely to repeat our mistakes because of how Ellen managed herself rather than acting like ....well....you.

#56 | Posted by eberly

You think treating war criminals with the blood of hundreds of thousands on their hands as if they're just your friendly neighbor makes us LESS likely to elect future war criminals? How so?

#60 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-08 02:33 PM | Reply

you can go sit with speak in the corner and keep playing "let's see how much we can hate everyone".

not interested.

#57 | Posted by eberly

And you can sit in the other corner and keep playing "stop being mean to evil people because they're in my party and we need to get elected to give more tax cuts to billionaires."

#61 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-08 02:35 PM | Reply

"Ellen is a friend to War Criminals."
- Retorted

#62 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-10-08 02:38 PM | Reply

60

if you want us less likely to do that then you have to convince moderates. Ellen behaving the way you want isn't the way to convince them.

Ellen behaving the way you want only satisfies you and folks like you. Not anybody else.

#63 | Posted by eberly at 2019-10-08 02:38 PM | Reply

61

I was a little sarcastic earlier but otherwise I'm being very sincere....I don't give a ---- about the legacy of GWB or the GOP.

This is the last time I'm ever going to tell you that. Do you understand?

#64 | Posted by eberly at 2019-10-08 02:40 PM | Reply

"#61 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY "

Eberly is 100% correct. It's moderates and independents who elect presidents, not the partisans who decide how they are going to vote before they even know who the candidates are.

And Ellen taking the high road is much more likely to win over those independents than Ellen throwing soda in Bush's face (what you want to happen) would.

But you honestly don't get that? Really? And you call *me* a moron? LOL

#65 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-08 02:43 PM | Reply

you can go sit with speak in the corner and keep playing "let's see how much we can hate everyone".

not interested.

#57 | POSTED BYEBERLY

You live a comfortable life, in the suburbs or in a community resembling suburbia America ...

The same demographic that Hagbard Celine described as Ellen's demographic audience -- which I agree with ...

I live in blighted middle-America where people like me see two rich and well connected people, who are supposed to be at odds with each other ...

per all the so called political pundits and their Ivy League educations who are supposedly able to explain why the world is the way it is ...

And people like me just find the whole thing pathetically ridiculous and sickening.

Like some economically sqeezed working or middle-class American working multiple jobs is going to give a ---- about Ellen Degeneres or her BS reasons for palling around with a war criminal ex-president.

GMAFB

#66 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-10-08 02:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Have you been this hateful your entire life? I don't think I've ever seen a single positive post from you. And you post a lot! It must suck to live a life so full of hate and angst. I can't fathom it.
#53 | Posted by goatman

Have you been this defensive of war criminals your whole life? What about pedophiles? Want to take a stand for them as well? You spend your days defending the worst human beings in the country so you might as well.

#59 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY "

Answer my question then I'll answer yours.

#67 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-08 02:48 PM | Reply

I live in blighted middle-America where people like me see two rich and well connected people, who are supposed to be at odds with each other ...

Maybe they are at odds on some issues but not others. Maybe they just get along. Maybe they are just courteous and polite. Maybe they aren't all politics all of the time.

If you were walking out of a building and you noticed a woman behind you and decided you'd hold the door open for her (I do this) what would you do if you noticed she was wearing a MAGA pin - slam the door in her face?

per all the so called political pundits and their Ivy League educations who are supposedly able to explain why the world is the way it is ...

And people like me just find the whole thing pathetically ridiculous and sickening.

Based upon your words right there, your problem seems to be that they are rich and you are not. I am not saying that as an insult, BTW. That's how I construe what I just reproduced.

Like some economically sqeezed working or middle-class American working multiple jobs is going to give a ---- about Ellen Degeneres or her BS reasons for palling around with a war criminal ex-president.

Yet, you seem to give plenty of a ---- about it based upon your posts on this thread. That's not a challenge or an insult either, it's an observation.

#68 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-10-08 02:53 PM | Reply

Speaksoftly reminds me of the democrat I heard in a joke:

A democrat politician and a republican politician are riding in a taxi. The democrat says, "I tell the taxi driver I'm a democrat then tip him well. That ensures I'll get his vote".

The republican says, "I also tell them I'm a democrat, but then I don't tip them."

IOW, the democrat in the joke is too stupid to understand what effect a negative act has on voters.

#69 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-08 02:54 PM | Reply

"IOW, the democrat in the joke is too stupid to understand what effect a negative act has on voters."

In addition, the Republican's idea of "winning" is to stiff the worker, then lie about who's responsible.

Yep...sounds true-to-life.

#70 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-10-08 03:02 PM | Reply

It reminds me of a similar joke I read in a book recently:

A Russian oligarch finds a genie bottle, rubs it and out pops the genie.

The genie says, "I can grant you one wish but you have to ask quickly."

The oligarch answers, "I want a billion dollars."

Genie, "Granted. Oh, I forgot to add that whatever you get your neighbor gets 2 of."

Oligarch, "In that case I wish to have 1 of my eyes gouged out."

H/T: Bill Browder

#71 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-10-08 03:05 PM | Reply

Yet, you seem to give plenty of a ---- about it based upon your posts on this thread. That's not a challenge or an insult either, it's an observation.

#68 | POSTED BYJEFFJ

I'm lucky in that I have a stable life where I don't have to worry about paying the rent each month.

On the other hand, 80% of all working Americans cannot afford an unexpected $400 emergency expense -- these are the type of people who remember Bush lied and started an illegal war killing tens of thousands of people ... mainly because it's the poor who do all the fighting and dying.

I like to tell the truth, here, and I DEFINITELY stand with those working Americans who struggle ...

and I stand with those same working Americans who also rightly view rich elites like George Bush and Ellen Degeneres with earned suspicion and earned contempt.

#72 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-10-08 03:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Have you been this defensive of war criminals your whole life? What about pedophiles? Want to take a stand for them as well? You spend your days defending the worst human beings in the country so you might as well.

#59 | POSTED BYSPEAKSOFTLY

Yeah, exactly.

Goat-Hack is always saying the most hacktastic things.

Why?

Because he's a right-wing Trump'er-Humper hack.

#73 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-10-08 03:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Answer my question then I'll answer yours.

#67 | Posted by goatman

I dont even know what your question is weirdo. You get hung up on things you think you "got" me on from 2 months ago and chase me around with it every day, as if that will give you the moral or intellectual high ground even though you spend every day all day defending a sociopathic con man.

Then you play "i asked first" like a teenage girl.

#74 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-08 03:26 PM | Reply

I dont even know what your question is..
#74 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Here is his question:

"Have you been this hateful your entire life?...

#53 | Posted by goatman

#75 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-10-08 03:34 PM | Reply

"Have you been this hateful your entire life?...

#53 | Posted by goatman

#75 | POSTED BYJEFFJ

That's a BS question, and you know it.

Especially because the MANY times suspended and banned Goat-Troll is ONLY back due to Rcade's charity.

Goat-Hack has EARNED these responses, especially when it comes to those sort of BS questions that eminate from his goat-troll-horns and goat-troll-hooves.

#76 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-10-08 03:41 PM | Reply

"Have you been this hateful your entire life?...

#53 | Posted by goatman

#75 | Posted by JeffJ

That's one I can easily answer. I adopted my zero tolerance for morons policy right after they elected a sociopathic moronic hateful con man into the white house. Telling these people that their MISINFORMATION and LIES were just another valid perspective that deserved consideration along with facts and reality is what got us into this mess.

If fox news didn't exist to sell lies to these fools this wouldnt have happened. And if the real news weren't afraid of being called partisan by not catering to these morons and shattering their propaganda, we could have avoided this nightmare. Bringing in a climate change denier to a news studio to respond to a climate scientist is not being fair and balanced. It's risking lives to cater to the feelings of brainwashed morons.

#77 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-08 03:53 PM | Reply

Here's the overlooked part of my comment and I think it's most important, honestly. Why are we expected to chastise Ellen DeGeneres for associating with Bush but not the Obamas, who have a long standing and well documented friendship with him? If we should be ostracizing her then we definitely should be calling out and refusing to support anyone with real power that is in a position to do something about his crimes but chooses not to. That includes every single candidate for President, VP, Senate, or Congress in this country that hasn't explicitly stated that they will use the power of their office to pursue legal action against him and his co-conspirators. It seems to me they should be held to a much higher ethical standard than a daytime tv talk show host.

#78 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2019-10-08 03:54 PM | Reply

co-conspirators should be accomplices.

#79 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2019-10-08 03:55 PM | Reply

Loaf,

I wasn't speaking to the voracity of the question.

Speaks said he didn't see the question so I thought I'd help out. Speaks then went on to answer the question after seeing it.

So, now it's Goat's turn to answer.

#80 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-10-08 04:05 PM | Reply

Why are we expected to chastise Ellen DeGeneres for associating with Bush but not the Obamas, who have a long standing and well documented friendship with him?

Fair point, and it's well-taken. The difference i'd point out is that most former Presidents fraternize with one another (current WH occupant likely excluded), whereas Ellen, being a private citizen is not bound by that existing social structure. I'd also peg her as more progressive than the Obamas which makes me more surprised to see her associate herself with Bush.

My take on this is that Trump has contributed to the normalization of bad presidents like Bush, which i find unfortunate.

#81 | Posted by JOE at 2019-10-08 04:06 PM | Reply

Remember, it wasn't that long ago that Ellen was referenced in the mainstream as Ellen Degenerate by gay bashing conservatives.

Not any longer...of course there will always be gay haters but fewer and fewer each day and Ellen taking the high road helps make that possible.

So, again, this is a good thing for several reasons.

"Why are we expected to chastise Ellen DeGeneres for associating with Bush..."

Except for the Pinchasoftlys of the world....we aren't.

And for every person like them on the left, there is a redneck on the right who's equally offended because GWB was cordial and friendly with that carpet munching liberal -----.

#82 | Posted by eberly at 2019-10-08 04:07 PM | Reply

That includes every single candidate for President, VP, Senate, or Congress in this country that hasn't explicitly stated that they will use the power of their office to pursue legal action against him and his co-conspirators.....

#78 | POSTED BY HAGBARD_CELINE

The problem is then they are next. Fact is after almost 2 years of building a case Bush sought and was granted a bipartisan AUMF from congress. Much of the case that was presented was predicated not on lies, although there were a few of those, but on bad intelligence. If we are going to criminalize policy differences this country will cease to function.

POTUS is given broad powers when it comes to foreign policy and, let's face it, foreign policy is messy business. The problem is ultimately congress. I've been saying it for a long time, but this is a more eloquent way of putting it as it pertains to foreign policy, what is going on in Syria, etc:

Donald Trump may be an unusually ignorant and capricious president, but he is by no means alone in enjoying an almost completely free hand in the realm of foreign policy. For decades now " under both Democrats and Republicans " we have been moving toward a settlement that permits the executive branch to decide, on a whim, where, when, and how we are at war " and even what constitutes "war" per se. Today, we can see why that is a bad idea. Today, by the same token, we can see why that settlement persists. What, exactly, are the parameters by which President Trump is supposed to make his decisions? Congress has not declared war in, or with, Syria, and it has not voted to end a declaration of war in, or with, Syria. It has not made it clear whether it considers that the situation in Syria falls neatly under its previous authorizations of force, or whether it believes that the president is in violation of them. Those who favor a more aggressive foreign policy have not made their case in debate, nor have those who disagree sought in any arena to rebut them. There has been no push for a clarifying statute, no attempt to increase or withdraw funding, and no talk of commendation or impeachment. Instead, those who were elected to make exactly these decisions have, as a class, happily consented to their own impotence. Congress, to borrow a phrase, has become a seraglio of eunuchs, which, terrified of weighing in on matters of life and death, prefers to gripe on TV, to complain on Twitter, and to beseech the executive from the safety of the stump, while doing nothing of any consequence in either direction.

It's actually more appropriate on another thread, but I felt it does speak to the dysfunctional lack of parameters that enables a buffoon like Trump to just declare it's over in Syria.

www.nationalreview.com

#83 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-10-08 04:17 PM | Reply

"Especially because the MANY times suspended and banned Goat-Troll is ONLY back due to Rcade's charity.
Goat-Hack has EARNED these responses, especially when it comes to those sort of BS questions that eminate from his goat-troll-horns and goat-troll-hooves.

#76 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF "

At the risk of talking about the M word, if you think lefties and righties were treated equally in years past, you weren't paying attention.

That said, I believe they are now and any jail times given I trust will be given fairly.

Seriously, if you thought I was a bigger troll than snoofy, you are only kidding yourself and being dishonest. If you think I am more abusive than people like angry dad, speaksoftly, and the others who do almost nothing but name calling (and I do not engage in it) you are being dishonest only with yourself because the rest of us who spend any time at all on this blog know.

But honestly, in my opinion you've always struck me as a person who has to lie even to himself.

"This above all: To thine own self be true"

Shakespeare
Hamlet

#84 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-08 04:31 PM | Reply

"In addition, the Republican's idea of "winning" is to stiff the worker, then lie about who's responsible.
Yep...sounds true-to-life.

#70 | POSTED BY DANFORTH "

It is. And it's every bit as true when the roles are reversed. Politicians act like politicians: Lie and cheat. Only a partisan hack could deny this.

#85 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-08 04:34 PM | Reply

"Goat-Hack is always saying the most hacktastic things.
Why?
Because he's a right-wing Trump'er-Humper hack.
#73 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF"

Profound and underscores my point in post #84.

Thanks!

#86 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-08 04:35 PM | Reply

"Goat-Hack has EARNED these responses, especially when it comes to those sort of BS questions that eminate from his goat-troll-horns and goat-troll-hooves.

#76 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF "

Um, Troll, I was responding to speakeasy's hateful post about throwing soda in Bush's face. Exactly how did "I earn that"?

And as far as earning anything? I am able to respond to any post without childish name calling and give the respondee what they 'earn'. If I can do it, why can't you or speakeasy?

Think about it. And yes, you "earned" this post. Think about that, too, and how I was able to convey it without acting like a baby with schoolyard taunts.

#87 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-08 04:38 PM | Reply

"and how I was able to convey it without acting like a baby"

Oooh... was someone acting like a baby?
That's name calling!

#88 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-10-08 04:40 PM | Reply

"If fox news didn't exist to sell lies to these fools this [being hateful] wouldnt have happened.
#77 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY "

How typically liberal. Blame someone else for your personality flaw of being so hateful. Why can't proggies take responsibility for their own actions? Why do they blame their own character flaws like childish name calling on a news organization?

Do you also blame Fox for never -- yes, literally NEVER -- posting anything positive like on the music or food or science or astronomy related threads? Is your failure to be positive for even one post Fox's fault, too?

Be honest for once, speaksoftly. Own your hate and quit blaming others for it. Blaming others is a sign of weakness and dishonesty.

#89 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-08 04:44 PM | Reply

""and how I was able to convey it without acting like a baby"
POSTED BY GOATMAN

Oooh... was someone acting like a baby?
That's name calling!
#88 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

Really? Who was called a name?

This was a short episode of snoofygames (tm)

Bye now, snoofy. Feel free to do your "You said this which means that which was talking about this and I elucidated to that which means you said [fill in the blank] and the two are synonymous" as you always do. I'll not resound and you can have our coveted last word.

#90 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-08 04:51 PM | Reply

"Really? Who was called a name?"

Whoever it was who was acting like a baby, was called a baby.

#91 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-10-08 04:56 PM | Reply

"Have you been this defensive of war criminals your whole life?"

No, never have been.

" What about pedophiles?"

No, never have been.

" Want to take a stand for them as well? "

Doubtful.

"You spend your days defending the worst human beings in the country so you might as well."

Citation needed.

"#59 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY "

#92 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-08 04:56 PM | Reply

"And it's every bit as true when the roles are reversed."

Not according to the new tax code. Republicans structured the equation to stiff the workers, and then lied to workers about it, saying it was a "middle class tax cut", which only about 15%-18% was. The other 82% goes to the world's wealthiest 1%, who certainly aren't on the hook to pay back at those rates.

If the worker's "tax cut" is much, much less than he's on the hook to pay back...that "stiffs" the worker in the equation, wouldn't you say?

#93 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-10-08 05:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-he's on the hook to pay back

who's on the hook for anything?

#94 | Posted by eberly at 2019-10-08 05:36 PM | Reply

Not according to the new tax code. Republicans structured the equation to stiff the workers, and then lied to workers about it, saying it was a "middle class tax cut", which only about 15%-18% was. The other 82% goes to the world's wealthiest 1%, who certainly aren't on the hook to pay back at those rates.
If the worker's "tax cut" is much, much less than he's on the hook to pay back...that "stiffs" the worker in the equation, wouldn't you say?

POSTED BY DANFORTH "

The democrats had nothing to do with it? Were they sick that day or something when the vote was taken?

And my joke was of a more general nature. But you knew that. Goalpost movement noted.

#95 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-08 05:46 PM | Reply

"If fox news didn't exist to sell lies to these fools this [being hateful] wouldnt have happened.
#77 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY "

How typically liberal. Blame someone else for your personality flaw of being so hateful.

#89 | Posted by goatman

How typically goat. Edit my statement then argue against the edited version. You're pathetic.

#96 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-08 08:46 PM | Reply

How typically goat. Edit my statement then argue against the edited version. You're pathetic.

#96 | POSTED BYSPEAKSOFTLY

Goat-Troll is so sure about his politics that he'll walk into any random bar in the de-industrialized Midwest and defend Ellen Degeneres palling around George Bush to a bunch of underemployed steel workers ...

Like those guys will want to be lectured on the virtuousness of two rich well-connected elites yucking it up at a football game.

Of course Goat-Hack will then require a trip to the ER and the use of medical forceps to remove the beer bottle from his derriere.

#97 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-10-08 10:42 PM | Reply

"How typically goat. Edit my statement then argue against the edited version. You're pathetic.
#96 | POSTED BYSPEAKSOFTLY

Goat-Troll is so sure about ...
#97 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF"

You actually believed speaksoftly without verifying -- her, with a well established history of lies?

LOL

You two deserve each other. Now get a room, your crazy lovebirds. And enjoy your foreplay of telling each other how horrible goatman is. LOL

My lamb chops were wonderful, btw. How were your sardines, pinche?

#98 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-08 10:50 PM | Reply

One's a war criminal

----

So what are you doing to put the criminal behind bars?

#99 | Posted by pirate at 2019-10-08 10:57 PM | Reply

My lamb chops were wonderful, btw. How were your sardines, pinche?

#98 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Didn't eat them today, but 20 November is National Sardines Day, so mark that on your calendar ... Gina.

You should take some of that food and donate it to a food bank in Houston ...

www.houstonfoodbank.org

More than one million people within the Houston Food Bank's service area are food insecure. Learn about hunger in our community.

Doing so might get your fat gluttonous trolling ass into Heaven.

#100 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-10-08 11:10 PM | Reply

"Doing so might get your fat gluttonous trolling ass into Heaven.

#100 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF "

LOL Another idiot who believes in invisible places dead people magically go to.

#101 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-08 11:34 PM | Reply

"Didn't eat them today, but 20 November is National Sardines Day, so mark that on your calendar ... Gina."

Do the sardines help dampen the smell of puke filled toilets at the hospital when you're cleaning them? Is that why you are so enamored with them? Or do they remind you of the skanky ----- you used to get before your dick up and died on you?

#102 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-08 11:37 PM | Reply

"who's on the hook for anything?"

Taxpayers on the hook for paying back the $2.3 Trillion in new borrowing just to give away in tax breaks, mostly to the wealthiest.

Since the 1% get 82% of the tax cuts, but won't be paying back 82% of the taxes...guess who's on the hook for the taxes in the big equation? YOU & ME!

#103 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-10-09 01:07 AM | Reply

"The democrats had nothing to do with it? Were they sick that day or something when the vote was taken?""

No, they voted unanimously against it. The Republican majority pushed it through, without even proofreading it.

"And my joke was of a more general nature. But you knew that."

Yes I did. It was just gravy that the Republican was so realistic: ------- over the worker, and then lying to the worker, telling him the Democrat was actually to blame. Sounds positively Trumpian.

#104 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-10-09 01:12 AM | Reply

If the president, any president current or past (even Carter), offered me a seat in the owner's box in about any sport I'm going. We would not need to talk about politics. Ellen is funny. I bet she's a hoot at a ball game.

Has the left forgotten civility, respect and common courtesy? Maybe Auntie Maxine and her ilk threw it away; but Ellen and most on the right remember you can disagree but still share the air. Good for them.

#105 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2019-10-09 04:57 AM | Reply

"Has the left forgotten civility, respect and common courtesy? Maybe Auntie Maxine and her ilk threw it away; but Ellen and most on the right remember you can disagree but still share the air. Good for them."

We have become so hyperbolic about everything.

Those on the left understand that everything effects everything. And they are angry. They also know that Ellen is right. The angry one are going to be angry before they think. That is the nature of anger. Those that have learned to come from a place of love will not. Not everyone is that mature.

If you care then listen to her heart.

The tweet that stuck with DeGeneres, however, was a positive one: "Ellen and George Bush together makes me have faith in America again," she read.

We need a little Faith in America right now. (No...not that evangelical nonsense thank you)

#106 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-10-09 09:17 AM | Reply

Why are we holding Ellen to a higher standard than the Democrats we'll be voting for shortly? Ask them, are Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld war criminals that should be tried for their crimes? Get every one of them on the record. When they answer no, I expect that logical and ethical consistency would be dictate that person has forfeited their opportunity to win our votes, right? Or is attacking Ellen DeGeneres acceptable only as a sacrificial lamb to assuage the internal guilt we have as we choose to vote for the real enablers and defenders of these war criminals?

#107 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2019-10-09 11:06 AM | Reply

Has the left forgotten civility, respect and common courtesy?

#105 | Posted by Nuke_Gently

Has the right forgotten iraq, hundreds of thousands dead, trillions wasted, and torture camps?

If you want civility you have to act civilized.

#108 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-09 11:23 AM | Reply

What's a bigger crime here, spending time with a war criminal or casting a vote for somebody who can do something about it but doesn't? Speaks, when you pull the lever for whatever Democrat runs against Trump next year remember that you're voting for someone who is an apologist for war crimes. Just like you did in 2016 and 2012 and 2008. Kerry may have been slightly more principled on the subject, I forget.

#109 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2019-10-09 11:40 AM | Reply

Post 9/11/2001 the atmosphere was to exact a toll for the attack on US soil. Did Cheney and Rove direct people to fly those planes into the buildings? As much as they wanted a war, I can't believe they orchestrated it. Was the attack on Iraq justified? Probably not, but it was predicated on a UN resolution which Iraq didn't follow well enough for the coalition. Will the US ever get out of Afghanistan? I hope so. Should Bush be vilified to his grave. IMHO no. Should we play nice as suggested by Ellen? Yes (also IMHO).

#110 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2019-10-09 11:57 AM | Reply

What's a bigger crime here, spending time with a war criminal or casting a vote for somebody who can do something about it but doesn't? Speaks, when you pull the lever for whatever Democrat runs against Trump next year remember that you're voting for someone who is an apologist for war crimes. Just like you did in 2016 and 2012 and 2008. Kerry may have been slightly more principled on the subject, I forget.

#109 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine

Right. When repubs do something horrible, it's dems' fault.

#111 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-09 12:12 PM | Reply

"Right. When repubs do something horrible, it's dems' fault."

There's no reason to mischaracterize what I wrote. Well there is a reason, but an uncomfortable one. I can understand your motivations.

#112 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2019-10-09 12:31 PM | Reply

There's no reason to mischaracterize what I wrote. Well there is a reason, but an uncomfortable one. I can understand your motivations.

#112 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine

What you wrote was horsecrap. Sanders is an apologist for war crimes? Warren is an apologist for war crimes?

Back that up.

#113 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-09 01:17 PM | Reply

Ellen is a class lady; her detractors, not so much.

#114 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-10-09 03:43 PM | Reply

"Ellen is a class lady"

Usually, except when she hobnobs with psychopathic war criminals and terrorist-enablers who should be in jail for the rest of their lives.

#115 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-10-09 05:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Ellen is a class lady; her detractors, not so much.

#114 | Posted by MSgt

Repubs call it CLASS when you help them whitewash their terrible record.

#116 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-09 05:27 PM | Reply

"Repubs call it CLASS when you help them whitewash their terrible record.

#116 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY "

Did Ellen do that? Citation needed.

#117 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-09 05:31 PM | Reply

Did Ellen do that? Citation needed.

#117 | Posted by goatman

You need a citation for you to understand that smiling and laughing with a bad person and posing for selfies with them normalizes them and whitewashes what they've done?

Would you pose for a photo smiling and laughing with OJ Simpson moron?

Leave it to goat to need proof that water is wet.

#118 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-09 05:38 PM | Reply

Why is this news?

Who cares?

People. Wake up. Giving a shht about this is madness.

#119 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-10-09 05:39 PM | Reply

"You need a citation for you to understand that smiling and laughing with a bad person and posing for selfies with them normalizes them and whitewashes what they've done?

#118 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY "

Yes. I've never heard such nonesense. Even Ellen didn't make that claim on her explanation. I wonder what she'd think of you speaking for her?

so again, yes Citation needed.

#120 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-09 05:45 PM | Reply

#118 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY "

If you can distract GTBRITISHSKULL from his self-declared victory gloating, perhaps he will swoop down and attempt to rescue his damsel in distress again. Even if he fails, he'll declare victory. So I suggest you go this route, speaksoftly.

#121 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-09 05:48 PM | Reply

yes Citation needed.

#120 | Posted by goatman

Because yes, you are that stupid.

#122 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-09 05:51 PM | Reply

"Because yes, you are that stupid.

#122 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY "

So you can provide no citation. All you have is your predictable sophomoric insult. How do I know it's predictable? Here's why:

The study of psychology teaches us that when someone resorts to name calling, it usually speaks to feelings of inferiority and a feeling of inadequacy of the person doing the name calling. People stoop to the process of name calling when they feel lesser and need to make themselves feel more powerful.

Thanks for again proving your true nature, speaksoftly. It saves me the trouble of pointing it out to you.

#123 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-09 05:55 PM | Reply

The study of psychology teaches us that when someone resorts to name calling, it usually speaks to feelings of inferiority and a feeling of inadequacy of the person doing the name calling. People stoop to the process of name calling when they feel lesser and need to make themselves feel more powerful.

Thanks for again proving your true nature, speaksoftly. It saves me the trouble of pointing it out to you.

#123 | Posted by goatman

I maintain anyone who voted for Hillary is a ------, making them dumber than the right. So neener, neener, neener. I can play that game, too.

#26 | Posted by goatman

Thanks again for proving your true nature goat, liar, name caller, hipocrite, and moron.

#124 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-09 06:19 PM | Reply

"Thanks again for proving your true nature goat, liar, name caller, hipocrite, and moron.

#124 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY "

So I presume you are going to continue to point to that ONE quote over and over and over and over even though it was not personal, it was clearly sarcastic (obvious if you were honest enough to not take it out of context), and use that ONE quote to justify your hundreds.

Whatever works for you. I'll not stop, and I will also continue to point out hour dishonesty of taking that quote out of context.

Game on.

#125 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-09 06:37 PM | Reply

"Thanks again for proving your...moron.

POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY "

"'When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers.'"

Socrates

Thanks for you admission! Better luck next time.

#126 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-09 06:40 PM | Reply

"'When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers.'"

Socrates

#126 | Posted by goatman

"I maintain anyone who voted for Hillary is a ------"

Goatman

#127 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-09 06:59 PM | Reply

""I maintain anyone who voted for Hillary is a ------"
Goatman

#127 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY "

Yes? And?

I presume there is a reason you posted that?

Please explain,

#128 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-09 07:00 PM | Reply

Please explain,

#128 | Posted by goatman

You really need your hipocrisy explained to you moron?

Because actually I'd like you to explain it to me.

#129 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-09 08:51 PM | Reply

"You really need your hipocrisy explained to you moron?
Because actually I'd like you to explain it to me.

#129 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY "

I presume you are addressing me even though you said, "moron".

Actually, I don't need it explained. I know. I was just hoping you would be honest for once and admit you took my quote out of context. This is the fourth time you did it with that quote. That's how pathetically dishonest you are.

But you being the liar and dishonest person you are (I say that only because I have proven it many times and again in this post since you took my quote out of context) that ain't going to happen, is it?

"You really need your hipocrisy explained to you moron?"

#122 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY "

Again, all you have is your predictable sophomoric insul and quoting me out of cont4xt. How do I know it's predictable? Here's why:

The study of psychology teaches us that when someone resorts to name calling, it usually speaks to feelings of inferiority and a feeling of inadequacy of the person doing the name calling. People stoop to the process of name calling when they feel lesser and need to make themselves feel more powerful.

#130 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-09 09:02 PM | Reply

"You really need your hipocrisy explained to you moron?

#129 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY "

So tell me, speaksoftly, does your childish name calling make you feel better about yourself as psychologiests say? I'm wondering, because if I get personal with childish insults, I feel like ----. That's why I stopped it decades ago after I grew up.

But it's not the same for you, I presume since you continue to engage in it proving what psychologists say. And you must believe it, because of all the times I post it, you never refute or rebut it.

The study of psychology teaches us that when someone resorts to name calling, it usually speaks to feelings of inferiority and a feeling of inadequacy of the person doing the name calling. People stoop to the process of name calling when they feel lesser and need to make themselves feel more powerful.

#131 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-09 09:08 PM | Reply

I maintain anyone who voted for Hillary is a ------, making them dumber than the right. So neener, neener, neener. I can play that game, too.

#26 | Posted by goatman

So tell me, GOATMAN does your childish name calling make you feel better about yourself as psychologiests say?

#132 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-09 09:30 PM | Reply

"#132 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY "

Fifth time you dishonestly quoted my out of context.

Why do you lie so much?

#133 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-09 09:36 PM | Reply

"#132 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY "

Still waiting for you to tell me why you keep quoting me out of context. It's OK to admit you are dishonest and will do anything for a 'gotcha goat' moment. Bruce will swoop in and save you.

#134 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-09 09:48 PM | Reply

Still waiting for you to tell me why you keep quoting me out of context. It's OK to admit you are dishonest and will do anything for a 'gotcha goat' moment. Bruce will swoop in and save you.

#134 | Posted by goatman

Keep pretending that context means you weren't name calling. Hiding behind technicalities and semantics as always. Arguing a half dozen and six are totally different so you win.

Pathetic.

#135 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-09 09:55 PM | Reply

"Keep pretending that context means you weren't name calling.

#135 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY "

I don't' have to pretend. The fact you don't C&P the entire post and instead quote me out of context says it all.

#136 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-09 10:02 PM | Reply

""Keep pretending that context means you weren't name calling.
#135 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY ""

Seriously, why don't you ever C&P the entire post in full context? Is the 300 milliseconds you save by not clicking and dragging over the whole thing that meaningful in your life?

Of course it's not. You are a liar and that's why you have taken that quote out of context five times now.

Own it.

#137 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-09 10:09 PM | Reply

Dick Cheney is 1,000 times more responsible for Iraq than W. He was just the useful idiot they needed to get their agenda done.
#15 | POSTED BY NIXON

Which is why Trump doesn't blindly follow his advisors.
Thanks

#138 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-10-10 11:34 AM | Reply

I don't' have to pretend. The fact you don't C&P the entire post and instead quote me out of context says it all.

#136 | Posted by goatman

You've puked the TDS meme out so much you've actually come to believe it, haven't you?

I maintain anyone who voted for Hillary is a ------, making them dumber than the right. So neener, neener, neener. I can play that game, too.

#26 | Posted by goatman

There you go little baby. The whole post. Changes nothing. You're a name caller and a hypocrite.

#139 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-10 01:19 PM | Reply

"There you go little baby. The whole post. Changes nothing. You're a name caller and a hypocrite.

#139 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY "

That's not the entire original post.

Why do you lie so much?

"'When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers.'"

Socrates

Thanks again!

#140 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-10 01:29 PM | Reply

That's not the entire original post.

Why do you lie so much?

"'When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers.'"

Socrates

Thanks again!

#140 | Posted by goatman

Sorry, that's the entire original post. Now you're the one who's lying.

Maybe I should rewrite it for you like you do to my posts and argue against the edited version?

#141 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-10 01:47 PM | Reply

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