Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Monday, October 07, 2019

After the White House announced Sunday night that U.S. troops would leave northern Syria and that Turkey would launch an invasion in the region, a move that appears to give Turkey the green-light to massacre U.S.-allied Kurds, President Donald Trump posted this tweet believing it would address concerns: "As I have stated strongly before, and just to reiterate, if Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom, consider to be off limits, I will totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey (I've done before!)."

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Stable genius Indeed

#1 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2019-10-07 01:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This is a sign of delusion, an indication of disconnection from reality, and a symptom of extreme mental illness.

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-07 01:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"...if Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom, consider to be off limits..."

Sounds like Turkey knows they have free license to start grabbing the Kurds by the p****....

#3 | Posted by bartimus at 2019-10-07 01:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Trump doesn't know that people who don't confront their demons are destined to be confronted by them.

#4 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-10-07 01:52 PM | Reply

Someone was gracious enough earlier to tell me no, He didn't think Donald Trump is mentally ill. This is an increasingly difficult assertion to defend, given Donald Trump just surprised the Pentagon with a major shift in foreign policy on the apparent basis of his sole and unique ability to destroy the Turkish nation if he thought they needed it.

#5 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-07 01:53 PM | Reply

Donald Trump is mentally ill. He's crazy; insane. Choose your word. He's dangerous.

Donald passed all my red lines eons ago. You who defend him should state what Red Lines you have or be honest and state that as far as Donald is concerned you have none. Which is pretty damned crazy in itself.

#6 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-07 01:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The coming explanations on this thread from the usual suspects will be truly entertaining.

here's the tl;dr version, I'm sure: "Yeah, sure, Trump is unstable. It's the Democrats' fault because they won't impeach him!"

#7 | Posted by dylanfan at 2019-10-07 01:56 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Oh, that's just Trump bloviating again. It's just the way he talks. Pay no attention to the Orange Genius behind the curtain.

#8 | Posted by Corky at 2019-10-07 01:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Yeah, sure, Trump is unstable. It's the Democrats' fault because they won't impeach him!"

#7 | Posted by dylanfan at 2019-10-07 01:56 PM | Reply

Or he's unstable because they have impeached him.

Donald Trump does not handle pressure. Does not. He's wilting and retreating into unreality. It's going to get a lot worse.

#9 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-07 02:01 PM | Reply

#10 | Posted by NerfHerder at

Is afraid that the insanity of the most powerful person in the world will have consequences.

#11 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-07 02:06 PM | Reply

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Agreeing with the policies of the Mad King doesn't make him any less mad. It merely makes you an enabler of his madness.

#12 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-07 02:07 PM | Reply

Donald Trump just surprised the Pentagon with a major shift in foreign policy on the apparent basis of his sole and unique ability to destroy the Turkish nation if he thought they needed it.

Oh no, the Pentagon had made plans for eternal war, and now that's just ruined! What a nightmare!

#13 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2019-10-07 02:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Is afraid that the insanity of the most powerful person in the world will have consequences"

I agree. Just not in this case.

The less interventionism in the ME, the less expansion of the MIC, the less weaponry sold to Saudi Arabia it their genocide of the Yemenis, the sooner Trump is legally removed from office, the better.

#14 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-10-07 02:08 PM | Reply

I swear I thought Trump assured us all he was a stapled penis.

#15 | Posted by YAV at 2019-10-07 02:10 PM | Reply | Funny: 4

I've stated this before.

Republicans; You asked for this. Given the choice between a dozen solid conservatives and one Clinton supporting con artist and game show host, you chose the con artist game show host. You chose him freely. Nobody made you do it.

#16 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-10-07 02:11 PM | Reply

Donald Trump is mentally ill. He's crazy; insane. Choose your word. He's dangerous.

No, you just don't understand him.

Don't worry, his followers will be along shortly to explain what he really means.

Oddly, they never seem to explain how they know what he means better than what he means...

#18 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-07 02:16 PM | Reply

Please don't call me a snowflake ... but honestly... the burden of all this winning... I'm growing faint ... its too much.... no one can live with all this winning!!!

#19 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-10-07 02:17 PM | Reply

here's the tl;dr version, I'm sure: "Yeah, sure, Trump is unstable. It's the Democrats' fault because they won't impeach him!"

#7 | Posted by dylanfan

Don't forget, they don't pay attention to this sort of stuff because they like him for his policies, not this personality stuff.

All of this is forgivable and OK because tax cuts, immigrants and librul tears.

#20 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-07 02:18 PM | Reply

@#18 ... Oddly, they never seem to explain how they know what he means better than what he means... ...

I watched some of the Sunday talk shows expecting to see Republicans lining up to support Pres Trump, and to justify that support and what Pres Trump has been saying.

The support seems to be there, but the justification was not. Instead I heard a lot of "he didn't mean what he said" or "he was just joking trying to rile up the press."

If that is true, now we have a President who intentionally lies to the press because he finds it entertaining.

And the Republicans were supporting him in that matter.

#21 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-10-07 02:22 PM | Reply

If that is true, now we have a President who intentionally lies to the press because he finds it entertaining...

#21 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

I think that is true and it's pathetic, when you really think about it.

#22 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-10-07 02:24 PM | Reply

In related news, the Republican members of the US Senate caucused today and afterward issued the following statement: " We got our judges and tax cut, so we're OK with standing still while the putative leader of our political party continues on like a maniac. More lube, please..."

#23 | Posted by catdog at 2019-10-07 02:28 PM | Reply

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.

Elect a clown expect a circus.

#24 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-10-07 02:30 PM | Reply

Not my circus. Not my monkeys.

We're still reading daily diatribes in defense of the Orange Menace from the DR wingnuts. I'm sure they'll explain to us how he's joking and we're all falling into his brilliant trap soon enough.

#25 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-10-07 02:43 PM | Reply

You can't make this stuff up.

#26 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2019-10-07 02:43 PM | Reply

I think this is a good time to remind everyone that the author of that tweet has the launch codes.

Enjoy your week!

#27 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-10-07 02:49 PM | Reply

We're still reading daily diatribes in defense of the Orange Menace from the DR wingnuts. I'm sure they'll explain to us how he's joking and we're all falling into his brilliant trap soon enough.

#25 | POSTED BY CHUFFY AT 2019-10-07 02:43 PM | REPLY

Limbaugh is still on the air for about 10 more minutes. The resident Trumpers will be here to explain the Dotard's latest master plan after Rush feeds it to them.

#28 | Posted by anton at 2019-10-07 02:49 PM | Reply

Sounds like he had Kim Jong Un write that for him.

#29 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-10-07 02:59 PM | Reply

Mandatory because RCADE said Turkey:
youtu.be

#30 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2019-10-07 03:00 PM | Reply

I watched some of the Sunday talk shows expecting to see Republicans lining up to support Pres Trump, and to justify that support and what Pres Trump has been saying.

You know what you didn't see? Not a single acting (or actual) cabinet member, any WH staff, anyone associated directly with the Trump Admin. Nada.

I bet even they are tired of going out there, saying something, only to have it refuted by Trump later in a tweet-tornado.

#31 | Posted by YAV at 2019-10-07 03:02 PM | Reply

"I think that is true and it's pathetic, when you really think about it."

I'm sure you'll be wringing your hands and wiping the uneasy sweat from your brow as you pull the lever for people who run interference for him and enable him.

#32 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2019-10-07 03:02 PM | Reply

Limbaugh is still on the air for about 10 more minutes. The resident Trumpers will be here to explain the Dotard's latest master plan after Rush feeds it to them.

#28 | POSTED BY ANTON

I listened to him for a bit this morning:

"Pencil neck" Schiff met with the whistleblower, and directed him/her to draft the fake complaint with the help of lawyers.

Schiff, the known liar, has nothing because Drumpf released the full transcript of the Ukraine call and there's nothing there.

Mitt Romney couldn't even beat Obama and he is a traitor.

Drumpf was exonerated by the Mueller Report, and was exonerated by releasing the Ukraine call transcript.

Liberal Hate, which includes never Drumpfers and Congress, as well as Jeff Flake and Mitt Romney blah blah blah blah...

I am sure I missed his repeated "cold Civil War" comments, I can only handle short doses of constant lying, but he sounds really convincing if you are completely disconnected from reality, which I assume is the case for anyone that enjoys listening to his show.

#33 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-10-07 03:03 PM | Reply

If we've learned anything from the Ukraine story, "obliterate the economy of Turkey" will become "nuke Turkey" in about two days.

Who am I kidding? It's already started with the headline of this post.

#34 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2019-10-07 03:10 PM | Reply

I am sure I missed his repeated "cold Civil War" comments, I can only handle short doses of constant lying, but he sounds really convincing if you are completely disconnected from reality, which I assume is the case for anyone that enjoys listening to his show.

#33 | POSTED BY CHUFFY AT 2019-10-07 03:03 PM | REPLY

Did he mention for the 9 millionth time that this is all due to jealousy because Hillary didn't win in the Electoral College?

#35 | Posted by anton at 2019-10-07 03:12 PM | Reply

The SDF has already been in talks with the Syrian Regime. Have been for a long time. It's well within the realm of possibility that the SDF will side with the regime against the invading Turks, all with the backing of Russia, Iran, Hezbollah, and the various PMF's that are aligned with the Syrian coalition. It's also quite possible that the Turks will get their asses kicked, at which point they could invoke article 5 of the NATO treaty, which provides for collective defense. In which case NATO might find itself drawn back into the region, this time dropping bombs on our former ally who really was key to eliminating ISIS's claim to a territorial caliphate.

#36 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-10-07 03:22 PM | Reply

I am hoping the same as with Nixon during Watergate the defense secretary tells the military to hold all orders without his stamp of approval

#37 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2019-10-07 03:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I don't think it matters what your political stripes look like. Trump is literally devastating our standing with allies and potential allies throughout the world.

#38 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-10-07 03:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#33 | POSTED BY CHUFFY AT 2019-10-07 03:03 PM | FLAG:

That was (actually) a perfect recitation. I wonder what the Trumpers think when they read that litany of wacky?

#39 | Posted by YAV at 2019-10-07 03:24 PM | Reply

If we've learned anything from the Ukraine story, "obliterate the economy of Turkey" will become "nuke Turkey" in about two days.

Please explain to us all how "obliterate the economy of a country" is different than "obliterate the country," considering that a country with an obliterated economy would cease to be a functioning country.

#40 | Posted by rcade at 2019-10-07 03:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I don't think it matters what your political stripes look like. Trump is literally devastating our standing with allies and potential allies throughout the world.

#38 | Posted by madbomber

Yes. Because he does whatever putin wants. And that is exactly what putin wants.

#41 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-07 03:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Finally. I can agree with MadBomber, and not just a little bit - I'm all in on that sentiment (#38).

#42 | Posted by YAV at 2019-10-07 03:28 PM | Reply

- Trump is literally devastating our standing with allies and potential allies throughout the world.

Too bad no one predicted that... oh, wait....

#43 | Posted by Corky at 2019-10-07 03:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Who the hell voted Dr. Doom for president?

#44 | Posted by RevDarko at 2019-10-07 03:32 PM | Reply

#40 - then we can review Khrushchev's infamous (alleged, falsely attributed) "We will bury you!" phrase.
The truth is Khrushchev sounds absolutely sane and stable in comparison.
www.cia.gov

#45 | Posted by YAV at 2019-10-07 03:39 PM | Reply

Who the hell voted Dr. Doom for president?

#44 | Posted by RevDarko

60 million morons, dumbed down by 20 years of fox news.

#46 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-07 03:39 PM | Reply

Please explain to us all how "obliterate the economy of a country" is different than "obliterate the country," considering that a country with an obliterated economy would cease to be a functioning country.

#40 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2019-10-07 03:27 PM

North Korea 2019 vs Japan, Summer of 1945.

Fake show though. Trump won't even enforce S-400 deal sanctions. The august deal has fallen apart, and now it's get out of the way before the Turkish steamroller comes pouring into Syria well beyond the massive intervention they already did in Idlib.

#47 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-10-07 03:41 PM | Reply

As the turtle turns...

McConnell joins other Republicans in rebuking Trump's Syria withdrawal

www.washingtonpost.com

Don't roil El Tortuga, Trump. He's your only hope.

#48 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-10-07 03:43 PM | Reply

"...El Tortuga..."

La Tortuga

#49 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-07 03:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Please explain to us all how "obliterate the economy of a country" is different than "obliterate the country," considering that a country with an obliterated economy would cease to be a functioning country.

Greece had their economy obliterated. Did they cease to be a functioning country?
Cyprus had their economy obliterated. Did they cease to be a functioning country?
Syria had their economy obliterated. Did they cease to be a functioning country?

No. You're feeding into Trump doom-porn hysteria.

#50 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2019-10-07 03:53 PM | Reply

No. You're feeding into Trump doom-porn hysteria.

#50 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2019

Hysteria is a mental illness.

It's not the one Trump has.

Not only do you interesting people deny the dog might bite you.

You deny the dog has teeth at all.

#51 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-07 03:57 PM | Reply

I'd be willing to bet there are at this moment Republican members of Congress speaking to one another, in hallways, wooded areas, on burner phones and/or through other surreptitious means, asking wtf and proposing a swift about-face in which they can agree to an impeachment, or a demand for Trump's resignation, with a caveat to the Dems that Pence would then ascend to the presidency.

Surely this has the R's rattled.

#52 | Posted by cbob at 2019-10-07 04:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Senator Mitch McConnell, the majority leader and one of Mr. Trump's staunchest advocates in the Senate, urged the president to maintain the American deployment in Syria. He also reminded Mr. Trump of a Senate vote in January that Congress rebuked him over a planned withdrawal.

"A precipitous withdrawal of U.S. forces from Syria would only benefit Russia, Iran, and the Assad regime," he said. "And it would increase the risk that ISIS and other terrorist groups regroup."

www.nytimes.com

#53 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-10-07 04:05 PM | Reply

Greece and Cyprus didn't have their economies destroyed completely, which is what "obliterated" means.

Do you have anything to say about Trump's words or do you just want to deflect about a headline, Kellyanne?

#54 | Posted by rcade at 2019-10-07 04:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 7

"I don't think it matters what your political stripes look like. Trump is literally devastating our standing with allies and potential allies throughout the world.
#38 | POSTED BYMADBOMBER"

And that is precisely what his supporters elected him to do!
They voted for Altas Shrugged.
They're getting it.

#55 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-10-07 04:13 PM | Reply

Greece and Cyprus didn't have their economies destroyed completely, which is what "obliterated" means.

Talk about revisionist history! Greece was given 360 billion in bailouts to save an economy with a nominal annual GDP of 225 billion. Unemployment of thirty percent. Youth unemployment at sixty percent. No hope for the present and no hope for the future.

That's completely destroyed, bro.

Do you have anything to say about Trump's words or do you just want to deflect about a headline, Kellyanne?

I already said I'm really sad that we can't keep up our eternal war on behalf of the Kurds for our good friends at the Pentagon.

#56 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2019-10-07 04:29 PM | Reply

#56 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake

BEN reminds me of one of the crewmembers in that movie, "Event Horizon".

#57 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-07 04:35 PM | Reply

Next month we celebrate three years of leftist PSTD - Post Trump Stress Disorder.

The next thing you know, the left will be calling Trump a sadist because he tortures liberals.

#58 | Posted by Ray at 2019-10-07 04:43 PM | Reply

Do you have anything to say about Trump's words

#54 | Posted by rcade

Examining Trump's words means examining Trump's insanity. So no, he has nothing to say.

We're obviously a long way from BEN caring whether the president of the United States is unbalanced or not.

A minor experiment out of vague curiosity is to see what Donald could do to other people to make BEN worry, or is BEN just going to wait until Donald does something to him?

#59 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-07 04:44 PM | Reply

Trump is threatening to obliterate the economy of a NATO ally after giving it the go-ahead to massacre Kurds in Syria and Ben thinks the important issue to focus on is word definitions used by a website.

#60 | Posted by rcade at 2019-10-07 04:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Ben thinks the important issue to focus on is word definitions used by a website.

It's what trolls do, e.g. Goatman.

#61 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-10-07 04:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

#60 | Posted by rcade

BEN understands that, I believe.

There are shades of madness to Trumpism to fill the dissertations of hundreds of doctoral candidates.

#62 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-07 04:49 PM | Reply

Obviously Ray. (tm) "thinks" that statements such as the topic of this thread indicate Trump Stress Syndrome on the part of anyone concerned about such statements.

Which Clowny is right about; it's what rwing attention trolls on a progressive blog do.

#63 | Posted by Corky at 2019-10-07 04:53 PM | Reply

I will totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey (I've done before!).

Not too long ago, Turkey had a currency crises. Trump is threatening to drive down their currency again. The threat is a warning not to attack the Kurds.

Trump is threatening to obliterate the economy of a NATO ally

A NATO ally in name only. Turkey is leaning towards the Russians. They recently bought the Russian S-400 missile system, leaving the MIC out.

Says Trump, "I was elected on getting out of these ridiculous endless wars, where our great Military functions as a policing operation to the benefit of people who don't even like the USA. The two most unhappy countries at this move are Russia & China, because they love seeing us bogged......down, watching over a quagmire, & spending big dollars to do so. When I took over, our Military was totally depleted. Now it is stronger than ever before. The endless and ridiculous wars are ENDING! We will be focused on the big picture, knowing we can always go back & BLAST!"

If Trump is crazy for pulling out of Syria, it's because it could get him killed.

#64 | Posted by Ray at 2019-10-07 04:59 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I'm sure the Kurds will be "massacred" by our Turkish NATO ally's version of the "mushroom cloud"

#65 | Posted by NerfHerder

This would be an appropriate time for NERHERDER to specify what a "massacre" would be from his point of view. To see if reality will match that.

#66 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-07 05:04 PM | Reply

And people around the world wonder how a guy like Trump remains in office.

#65 | Posted by NerfHerder at

I used to wonder how corrupt Southern governors remained in office but Trumpism has illuminated a few corners of that for me.

#67 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-07 05:05 PM | Reply

Obviously Ray. (tm) "thinks" that statements such as the topic of this thread indicate Trump Stress Syndrome on the part of anyone concerned about such statements.

Which Clowny is right about; it's what rwing attention trolls on a progressive blog do.
#63 | POSTED BY CORKY AT 2019-10-07 04:53 PM | FLAG:

Ray the calm, cool anarchist tells us it's not that Trump is insane or corrupt, it's that we libs are just whiny because any system of government is a waste of time.

#68 | Posted by cbob at 2019-10-07 05:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The threat is a warning not to attack the Kurds.

If we defeated ISIS as the White House claims, why would Turkey have to invade Syria?

#69 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-10-07 05:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Not going to bite, NERF? If anything that happens to the Kurds whatever after this is fine with you, then you can say that.

#71 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-07 05:09 PM | Reply

70 | Posted by NerfHerder at

As a practical matter, how would NERHERDER make a decision the Kurds have been massacred?

#72 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-07 05:10 PM | Reply

"The threat is a warning not to attack the Kurds"

I truly thought the threat was to get interventionists to jump up and down in the theater of the absurd screaming THERE's GONNA BE A MASSACRE!

Oh well, I was wrong. Good thing I contain multitudes.

#73 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-10-07 05:11 PM | Reply

THERE's GONNA BE A MASSACRE!

#73 | Posted by NerfHerder

Might be. Care? Not care?

#74 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-07 05:12 PM | Reply

Hard to commit to not caring about the deaths of others, isn't it? Don't want to look bad.

#75 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-07 05:13 PM | Reply

after giving it the go-ahead to massacre Kurds in Syria

A total reverse of the truth. Pulling out of Syria is not the same as giving the go-ahead. Trump is against Turkey attacking the Kurds. That's what his threat is all about.

You people are out of your minds.

If Trump had diarrhea, the left would call it corruption and make it an impeachable offense.

#76 | Posted by Ray at 2019-10-07 05:14 PM | Reply

Pat Robertson says Trump is going to lose his mandate from heaven.

#77 | Posted by Charliecharles at 2019-10-07 05:15 PM | Reply

Turkey is going to attack Syria (even the WH admits as much), if the kurds wont be attacked, who will?

#78 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-10-07 05:15 PM | Reply

Zed, today you are coming across like Buffalo Bill speaking to Catherine Martin.

I will say this to answer your question-- Avoid these all-too-familiar situations (dead Kurds, dead Yemenis, dead Iraqis, dead Libyans, dead Syrians, and worse) in the future-- Get the US military and its weaponry the ---- out of the Middle East.

#79 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-10-07 05:15 PM | Reply

Trump is against Turkey attacking the Kurds.

#76 | Posted by Ray at 2019-10-07 05:14 PMFlag: (Choose)FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Ever see "Phantom of the Opera"? Trump is the Phantom threatening "unimaginable consequences" if he's not obeyed.

Thanks, RAY. We're back to the question of Donald's sanity.

#80 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-07 05:16 PM | Reply

Ray the calm, cool anarchist tells us it's not that Trump is insane or corrupt, it's that we libs are just whiny because any system of government is a waste of time.
#68 | POSTED BY CBOB

Classic left wing spin. You people don't know how to be honest.

#81 | Posted by Ray at 2019-10-07 05:17 PM | Reply | Funny: 4 | Newsworthy 1

Zed, today you are coming across like Buffalo Bill speaking to Catherine Martin.

#79 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019

Don't know that cultural reference. Did you get "Event Horizon"?

#82 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-07 05:17 PM | Reply

I will say this to answer your question--

#79 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-10-07

Waiting....

#83 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-07 05:18 PM | Reply

Oh, my question? Does NERF care if there is a massacre of Kurds? He's almost saying no he doesn't, but using clear English seems a hump he can't surmount,

#84 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-07 05:20 PM | Reply

Trump is the Phantom threatening "unimaginable consequences" if he's not obeyed.

That's what you want to believe. Trump was referring to economic consequences. I explained in #64

Thanks, RAY. We're back to the question of Donald's sanity.
#80 | POSTED BY ZED

You are not fit to judge.

#85 | Posted by Ray at 2019-10-07 05:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"Trump was referring to economic consequences"

I read what Trump wrote.

Grandiose, delusional, and paranoid.

#86 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-07 05:24 PM | Reply

I'd like to suggest that Donald's megalomania coupled with his embrace of amazingly obscure conspiracy theories is making a case for Paranoid Schizophrenia.

#87 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-07 05:25 PM | Reply

www.bbc.com

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

That December, with IS close to defeat, President Donald Trump said the US would begin withdrawing its troops from Syria. When commanders and allies expressed concern about the fate of the Kurds, he vowed to "devastate Turkey economically" it attacked them and proposed a "20-mile safe zone" along the border.
Mr Trump later suspended the withdrawal, but Turkish President Recep Erdogan continued pressing for a safe zone.
In August, the US and Turkey agreed to establish one together. Kurdish officials expressed support and the YPG dismantled border fortifications.
But two months later, Mr Trump decided to let Turkish troops set up the safe zone alone.

So, it appears that Illegitimate President Bucket of ---- broke his word.

#88 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-10-07 05:25 PM | Reply

"God told me to get up now. Right now! And fulfill my destiny....Gentlemen, the missiles are flying".

I'm absolutely certain NERF gets this one.

#89 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-07 05:27 PM | Reply

Grandiose, delusional, and paranoid.
#86 | POSTED BY ZED

You're projecting.

#90 | Posted by Ray at 2019-10-07 05:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

90 | Posted by Ray at

RAY, you must have met crazy people at some point in your life. That left you with NO insights?

#91 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-07 05:31 PM | Reply

JEFF allows that Trump is an "extreme narcissist".

The last such person I knew tried to kill someone.

#92 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-07 05:32 PM | Reply

"Ben thinks the important issue to focus on is word definitions used by a website.

It's what trolls do, e.g. Goatman.

#61 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

It is important to focus on words. It drives clownshack nuts because he likes having the freedom to twist, bend, fold, spindle, and mutilate verbage into something he wants it to say. When he gets called out on dishonestly doing that, he lashes out with shrieks of "TROLL!"

If that's how he feels, I'd rather be an honest troll who takes words as written than a dishonest person who twists and mangles them.

Speaking of mangling words, do you accept my wager? Yeah, I didn't think so, loudmouth.

#93 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-07 05:34 PM | Reply

well, someone was successful in getting impeachment off the front page.

#94 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-10-07 05:34 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

This is one of the campaign promises that got Trump elected.

Says Trump,"almost 3 years, but it is time for us to get out of these ridiculous Endless Wars, many of them tribal, and bring our soldiers home. WE WILL FIGHT WHERE IT IS TO OUR BENEFIT, AND ONLY FIGHT TO WIN. Turkey, Europe, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Russia and the Kurds will now have to.."

The deafening noise and spin has to do with Trump wanting to pull out of Syria.

#95 | Posted by Ray at 2019-10-07 05:35 PM | Reply

Zed seems to think my statement "get the ---- out of the Middle East" wasn't clear enough, then brings up an obscure reference to unspecified individuals from a ------ scifi flick.

Oh well.

#96 | Posted by Nerfherder at 2019-10-07 05:37 PM | Reply

wasn't clear enough,

#96 | Posted by Nerfherder at 2019-10-07 05:37 PMFlag: (Choose)FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

I understood what you meant. And I understand why you won't say it in plain language.

Does NERF think that President Stillson should be removed from office to receive appropriate psychiatric care?

#97 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-07 05:39 PM | Reply

RAY, you must have met crazy people at some point in your life. That left you with NO insights?
#91 | POSTED BY ZED

Remember I'm a senior member on this site. So you can't fault me for lack of experience.

#98 | Posted by Ray at 2019-10-07 05:39 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Remember I'm a senior member on this site. So you can't fault me for lack of experience.

#98 | Posted by Ray at 2019

Fair enough.

#99 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-07 05:41 PM | Reply

But we can mock you for not learning anything from all your experience

#100 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-10-07 05:46 PM | Reply

One of the defects of promising that Trump's lack of sanity will cause him to do very bad things is the unwillingness of his fans to recognize what any bad thing might be.

#101 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-07 05:46 PM | Reply

I've been pretty clear for a long time regarding where I stand regarding Trump. I don't care if he receives psychiatric care" just as long as he's out ASAP.

Clear enough for you, Bill?

#102 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-10-07 05:51 PM | Reply

But we can mock you for not learning anything from all your experience
#100 | POSTED BY HATTER5183

On this thread alone, I demonstrated that I've learned not to take the side of leftists.
Truth is almost always in the opposite direction.

#103 | Posted by Ray at 2019-10-07 05:54 PM | Reply

Clear enough for you, Bill?

#102 | Posted by NerfHerder at

You know why it's not.

#104 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-07 05:57 PM | Reply

On this thread alone, I demonstrated that I've learned not to take the side of leftists.
Truth is almost always in the opposite direction.

#103 | Posted by Ray

So the president who has told more proven lies than any other in history is a leftist now?

Look you can either whine about liars, or you can defend trump, but you cant do both.

#105 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-07 05:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump is threatening to obliterate the economy of a NATO ally after giving it the go-ahead to massacre Kurds in Syria

#60 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2019-10-07 04:45 PM | REPLY

Not weird enough. There are no US forces on the ground that can stop a Turk blitzkrieg. 1st Armored is in Afghanistan. It's only special forces, not heavy infantry. The only thing that can stop that assault is an all out air war against a NATO ally. Not only have the August agreements between the US, Turks, and Kurds fallen apart, but the Turk-Syrian alliance has fallen apart. The Turks are going in to carve off an even bigger piece of Syria, one that happens to have oil, while the actual Syria army can't stop them and has all of its heavy units engaged at Idlib.

#106 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-10-07 06:04 PM | Reply

Put your deliberate obtuseness to rest, Zed. Go back to your basement, play your country music and wait for your Gimp to come out of that hatch in the floor.

#107 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-10-07 06:05 PM | Reply

We can win that air war, but it won't be for free. It's the Turk's backyard, with NATO equipment, able to run into their own air defenses for safety at will. Their air force is historically very well regarded in piloting skill.

#108 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-10-07 06:05 PM | Reply

This is one of the campaign promises that got Trump elected.
Says Trump,"almost 3 years, but it is time for us to get out of these ridiculous Endless Wars, many of them tribal, and bring our soldiers home. WE WILL FIGHT WHERE IT IS TO OUR BENEFIT, AND ONLY FIGHT TO WIN. Turkey, Europe, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Russia and the Kurds will now have to.."
The deafening noise and spin has to do with Trump wanting to pull out of Syria.
#95 | POSTED BY RAY

Unfortunately, it was to our benefit to fight with our allies, the Kurds, even though we weren't really fighting there anymore. Don't expect the Kurds or other tribal groups in the region to help us again in the future.

Why it was to our benefit? Because the Kurds house a huge group of ISIS prisoners. And they aren't going to simply hand them over to Turkey.

The Kurds will simply release any ISIS prisoners they are holding. Good job, Trump.

#109 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-10-07 06:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

So the president who has told more proven lies than any other in history is a leftist now?
Look you can either whine about liars, or you can defend trump, but you cant do both.
#105 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

You have no respect for truth. You prove that over and over again.

#110 | Posted by Ray at 2019-10-07 06:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

The Kurds will simply release

#109 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2019-10-07 06:09 PM | REPLY

No, the Kurds will shoot them in the head and use a US made bulldozer for their mass grave.

#111 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-10-07 06:24 PM | Reply

#110 - oh dear.

#112 | Posted by YAV at 2019-10-07 06:25 PM | Reply

You have no respect for truth. You prove that over and over again.

#110 | Posted by Ray

Just like trump. Accuse your opponent of your own crimes.

If you cared about lies you wouldnt defend trump. In fact you'd attack him more than you attack anyone else, because he lies more than anyone else. So you dont care about lies at all.

Your life sucks so you love having a president who will drag everyone down to your level so you wont feel inferior anymore.

#113 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-07 06:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#109 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

Let's not forget that the US had no business in Syria. Syria under Assad was opposed to US interests. Hence the invasion and occupation.

#114 | Posted by Ray at 2019-10-07 06:26 PM | Reply

#113 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

I'm not defending Trump. I'm defending truth.
It's not something you would understand.

#115 | Posted by Ray at 2019-10-07 06:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Classic left wing spin. You people don't know how to be honest.
#81 | POSTED BY RAY

Lol and you accuse Zed of projection...

#116 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-07 06:29 PM | Reply

Bears repeating:

"#105 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

You have no respect for truth. You prove that over and over again.

POSTED BY RAY AT 2019-10-07 06:21 PM |"

#117 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-07 06:30 PM | Reply

There's not going to be any economic devastation. It's just Trump playing pretend. This is an oil conflict. That means upcoming board positions at Turkish energy companies for the kids of politicians.

#118 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-10-07 06:36 PM | Reply

Lol and you accuse Zed of projection...
#116 | POSTED BY JPW

As if you would know.

#119 | Posted by Ray at 2019-10-07 06:37 PM | Reply

I'm not defending Trump. I'm defending truth.
It's not something you would understand.

#115 | Posted by Ray

A defender of truth would attack trump more than they attack anyone or anything else because he lies more than anyone else.

So even your claim to be a defender of truth is a lie.

#120 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-07 06:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#120

Yeh sure. Whatever you want to believe.

#121 | Posted by Ray at 2019-10-07 06:56 PM | Reply

Yeh sure. Whatever you want to believe.
#121 | POSTED BY RAY

That's kinda how it works.

Welcome to every single person's perspective.

#122 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-10-07 06:59 PM | Reply

Yeh sure. Whatever you want to believe.

#121 | Posted by Ray

Why do you show up here if you lack the ability to even defend your position?

#123 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-07 07:06 PM | Reply

"Why do you show up here if you lack the ability to even defend your position?

#123 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY"

LOL This is great. Speaksoftly only minutes ago would not defend her position by answering a simple question.

You can't make this stuff up.

#124 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-07 07:08 PM | Reply

As if you would know.

#119 | POSTED BY RAY

You vastly overestimate the depth of your lazy thinking.

Hence why you very easily become dismissive and act as if we lowly primed couldn't possibly understand it.

#125 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-07 07:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#125 | POSTED BY JPW

Again, as if you would know.

You're a leftist with all the character flaws that fit the stereotype.

#126 | Posted by Ray at 2019-10-07 07:14 PM | Reply

LOL I'm a "leftist".

Better than an overconfident idiot I suppose...

#127 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-07 07:18 PM | Reply

LOL This is great. Speaksoftly only minutes ago would not defend her position by answering a simple question.

You can't make this stuff up.

#124 | Posted by goatman

Are you not getting enough of my attention yet today goat? What is it that you need exactly?

#128 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-07 07:18 PM | Reply

"What is it that you need exactly?

#128 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY"

A perfect margarita.

#129 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-07 07:20 PM | Reply

I wouldn't hold my breath when it comes to Trump obliterating Turkey's economy, not when you realize that he still owns Trump Towers Istanbul, as reported in the following item:

www.huffpost.com

OCU

#130 | Posted by OCUser at 2019-10-07 09:13 PM | Reply

#130 - you're right. That was bluster only meant to 'pacify' the rabble.

#131 | Posted by YAV at 2019-10-07 10:02 PM | Reply

I don't think it matters what your political stripes look like. Trump is literally devastating our standing with allies and potential allies throughout the world.

#38 | Posted by madbomber

Here here!

He's been doing this for some time now. We as a country are definitely going to be less respected, looked up to and, most importantly, less safe after Trump is through.

#132 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-07 10:27 PM | Reply

This is how dirty and duplicity Trump and Rudy are (and don't forget about Flynn's Turkey connection and schemes):

Adam Klasfeld @KlasfeldReports

Confused about Trump's threat to Turkey?

The Treasury still has not issued a fine against Turkey's state-run bank Halkbank for its role in a record-breaking money laundering scheme to Iran.

Experts told me last year the fine could torpedo its economy.

Turkish Markets Brace for Banker's Sentencing in NY

www.courthousenews.com

The gold trader who spearheaded that money laundering scheme, Reza Zarrab, was a Trump Towers Istanbul resident and former ally of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

Giuliani represented Zarrab in a quasi-diplomatic mission as a go-between for the White House and Erdogan.

Giuliani had discussed freeing Zarrab a possible prisoner swap with Erdogan.

The deal failed, and Zarrab pleaded guilty.

twitter.com

#133 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10-07 10:28 PM | Reply

#133- wow. That's a read, Gal.

#134 | Posted by YAV at 2019-10-07 11:07 PM | Reply

Yav, yes, this deserves greater media scrutiny. These dirty Trump/Rudy connections to a money launderer with close ties to Erdogan can't be coincidental.

#135 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10-07 11:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Wow, watch the video of Trump talking about how tens of thousands of Kurds died with us fighting ISIS and how we have to help them, how he wants to help them and what great people they are:

Rantt Media @RanttMedia

Trump in September 2018 has some words for Trump today:

"Don't forget that's their territory. We have to help them ... Tens of thousands of Kurds died fighting ISIS. They died for us and with us and for themselves ... but they're great people ... I don't forget.

twitter.com

Great people by his own admission who he has now forgotten. Chilling.

#136 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10-07 11:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I just can't get over that video of Trump saying he won't forget the Kurds. He's so fccking glib. His words mean nothing. Never have.

#137 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10-07 11:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

I already said I'm really sad that we can't keep up our eternal war on behalf of the Kurds for our good friends at the Pentagon.

#56 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake

The Kurds have been fighting our battles with ISIS. They trusted us NOT to leave them to be slaughtered by the Turks.

Trump has also put NATO and all of our allies on notice, through his actions, that the United States can't be trusted. That should bother you if you give a lick about America and about our leadership of democratic nations.

Since Trump became president, Russia has built up its warm water port in Syria. Their navy can roam the Med and right out to the Atlantic without having to traverse the Bosporus to get from the Black Sea to the Med and out to the wider world.

Trump's given Putin gift after gift. Don't you wonder why? Doesn't that bother you?

#138 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-10-08 02:29 AM | Reply

PS

On 18 January 2017, two days before Trump's inauguration, Russia and Syria signed an agreement, effective immediately, where Russia would be allowed to expand and use the naval facility at Tartus for 49 years on a free-of-charge basis and enjoy sovereign jurisdiction over the base.

It also allowed them, for the first time, to expand the port to a full on naval base. Until then it was only a resupply/repair facility.

Trump has given Russia carte blanche to the detriment of everyone else, including the United States.

The entire Ukraine affair began as an attempt to get Putin off the hook for the 2016 election hacking/meddling.

Are you really happy with all of this, -------?

#139 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-10-08 02:35 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

A NATO ally in name only. Turkey is leaning towards the Russians. They recently bought the Russian S-400 missile system, leaving the MIC out.

#64 | Posted by Ray at 2019-10-07 04:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

Whew, just got that Russia bad post in before 5 pm deadline for Trumpublicans to switch to Russia good.

#140 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-10-08 07:43 AM | Reply

Trump's given Putin gift after gift. Don't you wonder why? Doesn't that bother you?

#138 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY a

Seriously, what do you think?

#141 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-08 08:01 AM | Reply

Since Trump became president, Russia has built up its warm water port in Syria.*

#138 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY AT 2019-10-08 02:29 AM | REPLY

If you're going to bring it up, the full context is meaningful. The treaty was negotiated with Obama in office. Accords for long term air base usage were signed with Obama in office. They were extended with Obama in office. Russia has been Syria's lifeline through the entire conflict, with a never ending stream of airlifted equipment. As a Black Sea Nation Russia has always had lawful right to transit the Bosphorus. Heavy Russian warships come out of St. Pete, it's where they're built. They have to make the full transit through the Atlantic and past The Rock to get to Syria. They've done this the entire time, it's nothing new. They were supported by replenishment ships out of the Syrian port already. The only thing changing is that maybe in 5 to 10 years if the war dies down they can put in a dock large enough to pull up 1 Frigate that already sailed past The Rock in the first place just to get there.

#142 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-10-08 08:23 AM | Reply

Why is it on these threads the Conservatives go down rabbit hole after rabbit hole rather than dealing with the fact that the damn forest is on fire?

No mentally healthy person tweets these things. Ever.

#143 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-10-08 12:56 PM | Reply

Why is it on these threads the Conservatives go down rabbit hole after rabbit hole rather than dealing with the fact that the damn forest is on fire?

For the same reason they try to "debunk" climate change using the same tactic- isolating individual elements, nitpicking them with nonsense and declaring the entire subject matter closed. Point out that that isn't remotely true? They can then move on to the next element to nitpick. Rinse and repeat in endless circles so that the water becomes so muddy you're not sure what's up or down anymore.

Taking in the totality of the bigger picture is kryptonite to them because their schitt worldview falls apart when viewed in that way.

#144 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-08 01:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Trump's given Putin gift after gift. Don't you wonder why? Doesn't that bother you?"

Trump has given away all the milk without anyone having to buy the cow.

Maybe it's because he's trying to make some money...I think it's because he's an abject ------- idiot who is out of his element.

Remember Donny, from the Big Lebowski? Did Donny ever mention what his last name was?

#145 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-10-08 03:34 PM | Reply

"Maybe it's because he's trying to make some money...I think it's because he's an abject ------- idiot who is out of his element."

Still think Hillary would be just as bad or worse?

#146 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-10-08 04:34 PM | Reply

Trump has given away all the milk without anyone having to buy the cow.

Maybe it's because he's trying to make some money...I think it's because he's an abject ------- idiot who is out of his element.

Remember Donny, from the Big Lebowski? Did Donny ever mention what his last name was?

#145 | Posted by madbomber

You seem to have shifted into a position that's very critical of Trump.

Do you mind my asking what was the final straw?

#147 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-08 05:10 PM | Reply

Hm. Guess so. Dammit. I wanted to know, too.

#148 | Posted by YAV at 2019-10-08 08:42 PM | Reply

"Still think Hillary would be just as bad or worse?"

I always thought Hillary was better. I remember having these discussions with you back in 2016.

#149 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-10-09 01:37 AM | Reply

#147

I NEVER liked Trump. I voted for Johnson.

When Obama was elected, I expected him to be a ------ president based on everything he had said and done up to that point. He turned out to be a decent president. Certainly no worse than his predecessor.

I kinda felt the same way when Trump was elected. Only he has turned out to be far worse than expected. He's not smart. He's a terrible businessman, and he can't even make a deal with the tinpot dictators...much less peer adversaries.

And now he just sold out one of our strongest and most deserving allies, against the advice of pretty much everyone who matters. I spent a year overseas doing counter-ISIS stuff. Now I guess the plan is to let them have it back.

#150 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-10-09 01:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I kinda felt the same way when Trump was elected. Only he has turned out to be far worse than expected. He's not smart. He's a terrible businessman, and he can't even make a deal with the tinpot dictators...much less peer adversaries.

There was 40 years of public history of him being a ------ person, ------ businessman, ------ husband, ------ father, ------ employer, etc.

People were butthurt over Bernie not getting the nomination and thus either sat it out or voted for useless third party vote.

People were blinded by their hatred of Hilary to ignore the warnings.

People were just too stupid to look at Conjob Don's history of immoral behavior and see it for what it is.

People were just too willing to buy his obvious lies. It's no surprise that the evangelicals that throw their money at conjob preachers are all in on him.

He promised to pay off the debt in 8 years while massively increasing defense spending while cutting taxes bigly (for only the middle class) while giving people great health insurance that covers everything with no deductibles that costs very little. Only a moron would believe he would do more than 1 item on that list.

#151 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-10-09 07:48 AM | Reply

I spent a year overseas doing counter-ISIS stuff. Now I guess the plan is to let them have it back.

Conjob Don doesn't care. He knows he is a one term president. He's just doing what Putin told him to do. Destroying our alliances and democracy is Putin's goal.

#152 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-10-09 07:53 AM | Reply

This makes it worse for Russia. It puts Russian backed militias in direct conflict with Turkey and expands the front and lifeline expenditures while the Russian economy is contracting and military spending is declining significantly.

#153 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-10-09 09:37 AM | Reply

This makes it worse for Russia. It puts Russian backed militias in direct conflict with Turkey and expands the front and lifeline expenditures while the Russian economy is contracting and military spending is declining significantly.

#153 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

If that's the case you'd think lefties would love this. After all, they've spent the last 3 years obsessing about Russia.

#154 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-10-09 09:40 AM | Reply

If that's the case you'd think lefties would love this. After all, they've spent the last 3 years obsessing about Russia.

#154 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Yeah, who guessed watching our allies who sacrificed 10,000 of their own lives fighting ISIS for us being murdered by Turkey because of Trump protecting his real estate investments in Turkey would set liberals off, right?

#155 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-10-09 10:09 AM | Reply

#150 | Posted by madbomber

I didn't think you were a Trumper a la Sheeple or Ira.

You were just muted on your criticisms and that's changed quite a bit these past few weeks it seems.

#156 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-09 10:50 AM | Reply

If that's the case you'd think lefties would love this. After all, they've spent the last 3 years obsessing about Russia.

#154 | Posted by JeffJ

You have to be an idiot to not see the reasons as present and valid.

#157 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-09 11:10 AM | Reply

If that's the case you'd think lefties would love this. After all, they've spent the last 3 years obsessing about Russia.

#154 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-10-09 09:40 AM | FLAG:

Not weird enough. Carving off a piece of a country and setting up an ethno-state is what Russia did in South Ossetia. Now it's a demand we do that for the Kurds.

#158 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-10-09 11:27 AM | Reply

"This makes it worse for Russia. It puts Russian backed militias in direct conflict with Turkey and expands the front and lifeline expenditures while the Russian economy is contracting and military spending is declining significantly."

Not really.

To a large degree, Russia is a puppet master, pulling the strings for Syria and Iran, who in turn pull their own strings for their Paramilitary proxies.

I think it's far more likely you'll see the SDF receiving support, first from groups like Hezbollah and the Shia PMFs, some of whom have always supported the Kurds, and second from the governments of Iran, Syria, and Russia.

Make no ------- mistake. This is Erdogan making his first major move in what he sees as rebuilding the Ottoman Empire. The Kurds just provide a somewhat plausible pretext.

#159 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-10-09 02:05 PM | Reply

"Not weird enough. Carving off a piece of a country and setting up an ethno-state is what Russia did in South Ossetia. Now it's a demand we do that for the Kurds."

The Kurds did it mostly by themselves. And the GoS seemed to be OK with it. It's neighboring Turkey that feels it has a better claim to that territory, where they can plant all the ex-ISIS fighters as their own PMF.

#160 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-10-09 02:07 PM | Reply

"You were just muted on your criticisms and that's changed quite a bit these past few weeks it seems."

I tend to view all presidents since Clinton poorly, so I leaned towards withholding my own opinions of a sitting president; all other things being equal. My view was that none were going to be anything more than mediocre. But Trump ------- sucks. You could pick a name out of any random phone book, and they would do a better job than this ------------.

And I don't really feel like I was muted. I disliked Trump from the start. But I also disliked Bernie and Jill, which made me a supporter of Trump in the eyes of the progressive left.

I still dislike the progressive left, but I can't see how you could justify supporting Trump today. Other than stubbornness and the inability to admit that you were wrong.

#161 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-10-09 03:07 PM | Reply

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