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Monday, October 07, 2019

Mark Bowden: Military officers are sworn to serve whomever voters send to the White House. Cognizant of the special authority they hold, high-level officers epitomize respect for the chain of command, and are extremely reticent about criticizing their civilian overseers. That those I spoke with made an exception in Trump's case is telling, and much of what they told me is deeply disturbing. In 20 years of writing about the military, I have never heard officers in high positions express such alarm about a president.

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Great article.

Typically, presidents have relied on the SECDEF and the Commanders under them to plan and execute influence operations. I don't know of any that have considered themselves to be the equivalent of a military leader...especially when they themselves have no experience in the military.

#1 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-10-07 03:40 PM | Reply

Trump knows more about the military than all the generals. He has unparalleled wisdom.

He told me himself, and he said it forcefully so it must be true.

Trump needs to get the deep state angry Democrats out of military command. Drain the swamp and install loyalists.

Eric Trump has some spare time. He can takeover the joint chiefs of staff.

Lock them up!

#2 | Posted by bored at 2019-10-07 03:53 PM | Reply

Trump knows more about the military than all the generals. He has unparalleled wisdom.

Trump knows more about peace than the military.

#3 | Posted by Ray at 2019-10-07 08:43 PM | Reply

Trump knows more about peace than the military.

#3 | Posted by Ray

He's a warrior who made a point of how he fought off venereal diseases during his draft dodging days.

What will you say when Kurds are slaughtered in Norther Syria by Turkey? We made a bargain with them to fight ISIS. Called them 'allies.' Will you be fine when reports of their slaughters begin to hit the news?

#4 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-10-07 09:03 PM | Reply

"Will you be fine when reports of their slaughters begin to hit the news?
POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY "

Would you be fine if Americans over there get slaughtered? I'll tell you what you lefties loved to tell the right who supported war: Go enlist. Or just go over there and tell the Kurds you want to fight with them.

No?

Wow. I guess the "if you support it, you must live it" maxim you proggies used to live by is no longer valid? Gee. A lib and a double standard. What a shocker.

#5 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-07 09:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#4 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY
What will you say when Kurds are slaughtered in Norther Syria by Turkey? We made a bargain with them to fight ISIS. Called them 'allies.' Will you be fine when reports of their slaughters begin to hit the news?

I say the US had no business in Syrian in the first place. It was an attack on a sovereign nation, pure and simple.
Trump warned Turkey not to attack the Kurds. That's what the word "obliterate" was all about.
ISIS is or was sponsored by the US.
It was the Russians who defeated ISIS, not the US.

As an aside, pulling out of Syria might be one of Trump's ways of striking back at his enemies who are trying to run him out of office. War is one of their pet projects.

#6 | Posted by Ray at 2019-10-07 09:20 PM | Reply

MIC is angry at Trump - just another reason to support him. Sorry, sick of your wars in a desert half a world away for no strategic reason.

#7 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-10-07 09:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What do these military clowns know! - Private Boaz

#8 | Posted by Corky at 2019-10-07 11:07 PM | Reply

"I say the US had no business in Syrian in the first place."

I'm not sure what you mean by that. The US was drawn into the fight as a result of the rise of ISIS. CJTF-OIR, SOJTF, and the Task Force guys on the ground have no mandate or authority to target anyone other than ISIS.

It may be you're opinion that the non-Sunni's living in Iraq and Syria weren't worth the effort, that it didn't matter if they were murdered or enslaved, but it's kinda like saying we had no business interfering in Europe during WWII.

#9 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-10-08 01:02 AM | Reply

"Trump knows more about peace than the military.

#3 | POSTED BY RAY AT 2019-10-07 08:43 PM | REPLY | FLAG:"

Trump is one of the least peaceful men I have ever seen. He is lucky to have been born a rich spoiled brat or he would have met his maker many years ago.

#10 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-10-08 08:07 AM | Reply

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Trump is one of the least peaceful men I have ever seen. He is lucky to have been born a rich spoiled brat or he would have met his maker many years ago.
#10 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

I get it. In your twisted mind, defending himself from three years of coup attempts by the Democrats and CIA makes him "the least peaceful man I have ever seen."

#11 | Posted by Ray at 2019-10-08 08:21 AM | Reply

"The US was drawn into the fight as a result of the rise of ISIS"

--------. They were "drawn into the fight" by invading and destroying Iraq based on an elaborate framework of neocon lies and deceit, MIC pressure, and with the help of a criminally acquiescent media.

#12 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-10-08 09:12 AM | Reply

MIC is angry at Trump - just another reason to support him. Sorry, sick of your wars in a desert half a world away for no strategic reason.

#7 | POSTED BY IRAGOLDBERG

You're such a disgusting ball licker.

You'll support that schitt heap no matter what he does.

#13 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-08 09:15 AM | Reply

I get it. In your twisted mind, defending himself from three years of coup attempts by the Democrats and CIA makes him "the least peaceful man I have ever seen."
#11 | POSTED BY RAY

Jesus Christ you people are beyond stupid.

Pathetic has become yet another word/concept rendered meaningless by Trumpers.

#14 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-08 09:17 AM | Reply

--------. They were "drawn into the fight" by invading and destroying Iraq based on an elaborate framework of neocon lies and deceit, MIC pressure, and with the help of a criminally acquiescent media.

#12 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-10-08 09:12 AM | Reply

Turtles all the way down. Hell, you can trace this to the Sykes Picot Agreement.

#15 | Posted by SunTzuMeow at 2019-10-08 09:30 AM | Reply

"Trump has little interest in the details of policy. He makes up his mind about a thing, and those who disagree with him"even those with manifestly more knowledge and experience"are stupid, or slow, or crazy."

Sounds exactly like what every POTUS does to the opposite party when they are in office. If that doesn't cause the same uproar, this faux rage over Trump doing it to someone is just stupid.

#16 | Posted by humtake at 2019-10-08 11:49 AM | Reply

All the generals want a war to take charge of. But they do it from a nice comfortable desk in stead of leading the charge. Screw a bunch of warmongers.

#17 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-10-08 12:07 PM | Reply

"They were "drawn into the fight" by invading and destroying Iraq based on an elaborate framework of neocon lies and deceit, MIC pressure, and with the help of a criminally acquiescent media."

So...is it safe to say that you'd be happier if the coalition hadn't intervened in the fight against ISIS? Kinda like those in the west who favored staying out of Europe during WWII?

#18 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-10-08 03:04 PM | Reply

"Sounds exactly like what every POTUS does to the opposite party when they are in office. If that doesn't cause the same uproar, this faux rage over Trump doing it to someone is just stupid."

That is 100% NOT true.

When did Obama, or Bush, or Reagan, or any president, come out and claim they were better strategists because they were smarter than their General Officers.

#19 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-10-08 03:06 PM | Reply

When did Obama, or Bush, or Reagan, or any president, come out and claim they were better strategists because they were smarter than their General Officers.

#19 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Well, there is this:

Obama: "I think that I'm a better speechwriter than my speechwriters. I know more about policies on any particular issue than my policy directors. And I'll tell you right now that I'm gonna think I'm a better political director than my political director."

www.politico.com

#20 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-10-08 03:12 PM | Reply

#20 That's not an example of what MB asked for. Try again.

#21 | Posted by JOE at 2019-10-08 03:35 PM | Reply

#20 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

I'm pretty sure he was joking.

#22 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-10-08 04:50 PM | Reply

#22 Beach

He probably was joking. I was only being half serious when I busted that out.

#23 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-10-08 04:57 PM | Reply

Am I wrong that the US refused to get involved with Europe and WWII?

I remember the public didnt want war. We didnt get in it.

Pearl got us in.

Without Pearl, Europe was on its own.

There are more countries closer to the action. Why dont they do something? It is far more a National Security issue to them, not US.

#24 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-10-08 09:38 PM | Reply

Trump knows more about peace than the military.

#3 | POSTED BY RAY

Wow. That is some deep level crazy. That's a whole new level of crazy.

To think that the combined intelligence of our military is less that that of a trump?

Trumptilians continue to set new records and reach ever new and claustrophobic depths of ignorance with their hubris.

Winning !!!

#25 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-10-09 09:32 AM | Reply

I get it. In your twisted mind, defending himself from three years of coup attempts by the Democrats and CIA makes him "the least peaceful man I have ever seen."
#11 | POSTED BY RAY

All criminals get to defend themselves. Even Trump. But you don't get to defend yourself by obstructing justice. That is not how it works.

His firewall of lies is crumbling. Mostly by his own undoing but let's be real.

Our President is in a battle with Congress. It is Epic!! And I for one am rooting for our Congress. Because your President is obviously a crook. And now he is thumbing his nose at Congress. We are not very far from him using his middle finger at Congress. It is essentially what he is saying. -- Congress! Not to say that Congress is innocent in all this but the President has decided he is above the law.

I am sorry. We have to prove him wrong.

Enjoy the ---- show. You asked for it... you helped build and here at last in all its glory.

Impeachment Time!!

I don't understand why you are not as overjoyed as I am?

#26 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-10-09 09:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Impeach. Both parties will issue subpoenas and everyone brought forth must answer.

#27 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-10-09 09:52 AM | Reply

Impeach. Both parties will issue subpoenas and everyone brought forth must answer.

#27 | Posted by Petrous at 201

Questions about Joe Biden?

#28 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-09 09:57 AM | Reply

#27

You obviously don't understand how the impeachment process works. The House acts as the Grand Jury, so the majority controls the collection of evidence and determines who testifies about what in order to formulate the Articles of Impeachment should the inquiry lead to such.

There is no "both sides" in the House. The majority is the prosecutor seeking to level indictments. The accused and his defenders have very limited rights in this process by design, just like in grand jury proceedings. They cannot cross examine witnesses nor challenge evidence. There is no right for the process to take place in the open since the same reasons behind grand jury secrecy extend to impeachment inquiries. This is nothing untoward, it's common practice. The full House is presented the findings and votes as to whether the charges should be sent for trial in the Senate.

If any of the Articles of Impeachment are passed by the full House, the Senate then takes them up and holds a trial. THIS is where the accused has the rights of a spirited defense and its attendant rights of subpoena and cross examination.

But don't confuse the two. Our Founders certainly didn't.

#29 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-10-09 10:04 AM | Reply

THIS is where the accused has the rights of a spirited defense and its attendant rights of subpoena and cross examination.

And guilt or innocence is determined along political party lines.

#30 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-10-09 10:33 AM | Reply

"There are more countries closer to the action. Why dont they do something? It is far more a National Security issue to them, not US."

Like Iran? Like Syria? Like Russia?

They were doing "something." The US stopped them because the US didn't like what they were doing. US Government chose to take action against ISIS in a manner supported by both Chambers. The decision to drop it like a kid bored with a toy was the result of the dumbest president ever elected to office.

If you voted for Trump, and you still support him today, you're dumber than a Bernie supporter. By far. By VERY far. There is something very ------- wrong with you.

#31 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-10-09 02:26 PM | Reply

I would vote for Bernie now if it meant getting rid of the phat -----.

If we're going to elect reality TV personalities, why not Honey Boo Boo, or one of the Kardashians? Maybe Ru Paul.

Isn't Vanilla Ice doing reality TV ---- nowadays?

#32 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-10-09 02:29 PM | Reply

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