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Tuesday, October 08, 2019

Putin May See It That Way Too. President Donald Trump said his decision to shift U.S. troops out of the path of a threatened Turkish military incursion in Syria will be regretted most by Russia and China. They "love to see us bogged down" in expensive military quagmires, he tweeted on Monday. To some Russian and U.S. analysts and officials, however, Moscow is likely to be a major beneficiary of the move.

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ISIS will rise again and Trump will blame Rick Perry.

#1 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-08 11:11 AM | Reply

And it's a win for American military who won't die over there trying to fix an ethnic dispute that has been going on for a couple of hundred years.

#2 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-08 11:39 AM | Reply

If you can't get a giggle out of partisan hacks inability to do pros and cons like it's all a zero sum game, you need a sense of humor.

#3 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-10-08 11:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

It's great Trump is pulling out ...

That said, it doesn't change the fact that Trump is still a corrupt and incompetent commander-in-chief.

So we won't really know how Trump may be managing a recalcitrant DoD or State Department who have LONG been committed to the mistaken idea that stationing troops in the Middle East solves problems ...

And Trump's incompetence in knowing and understanding these facts can structurally do real damage to military readiness and create even more chaos (than the chaos he's already created) in the area of diplomacy.

#4 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-10-08 12:34 PM | Reply

The Syria Pullout: Fresh Meat For Raging Neocons.

#5 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-10-08 02:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Are the republicans promoting abandoning our friends the Kurds the same people who crapped bricks over Obama following Bushs troop removal timetable in Iraq?
How come instability only matters when a democrat is calling the shots?

I'm for getting out US out of Syria.. and Turkey out of NATO... but it's wrong to abandon our friends.
If anything give the Kurds enough weapons to keep Turkey at bay

#6 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2019-10-08 02:51 PM | Reply

The Syria Pullout: Fresh Meat For Raging Neocons.

#5 | POSTED BYNERFHERDER

Exactly ~

#7 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-10-08 02:53 PM | Reply

"If only he had pulled out when I asked him to." - Flight Risk

#8 | Posted by Corky at 2019-10-08 02:57 PM | Reply

Apparently being against genocide makes you a war-mongering neocon.

such is the world of black/white thinking - regardless of Left or Right political affiliation.

#9 | Posted by YAV at 2019-10-08 02:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Yav,

How long should we keep troops in Syria?

I've seen both sides of the argument and both have merit.

I'm at a bit of a disadvantage because I'm not quite as knowledgeable of the geopolitics of what is going on in Syria and how it translates to the Turks and Kurds as others on this site.

#10 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-10-08 03:02 PM | Reply

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It's great Trump is pulling out ...

If only he had done so the first 5 times. The line could have ended with him, oh well shoulda, coulda, woulda.

I pretty much agree with 503jc69 here less troops in the Middle East is a good thing, give the Kurds a couple tanks a few Blackhawks and Apache's and all the guns and rocket launchers they can carry and get out of dodge.

#11 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2019-10-08 03:05 PM | Reply

I'm for a plan, Jeff.

You're also engaging in a false-choice game with me, asking how long we keep Troops in Syria as if that was the only option to cutting and running at the drop of a hat - the whim of a man, based on a conversation with a man that holds two of Trump's b***s in his hands (that's a reference to the two entangled Trump towers in Istanbul).

If he wants to get out, fine. Have a plan, or put the Generals to work on a plan.

Oh how the Right beat Obama up over withdrawing from Iraq! How that gave us ISIS, and more!

#12 | Posted by YAV at 2019-10-08 03:07 PM | Reply

Fair enough, Yav.

A strategic withdrawal instead of doing it on a whim.

And I certainly see the Iraq parallel.

#13 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-10-08 03:10 PM | Reply

Thanks Jeff!

#14 | Posted by YAV at 2019-10-08 03:10 PM | Reply

"A strategic withdrawal instead of doing it on a whim."

There are no strategic withdrawals when it comes to violent rape. Especially when the rape leads to evil devil babies like ISIS and so forth...

Some people think that marrying the victim (i.e. staying long-term in order to "fix" things) will make things better, or at least easier for the victim to come to grips with, in the long run.

No.

The only solution to rape is quick removal and castration so it doesn't happen again.

Otherwise it is simply a futile gesture-- trying to rehabilitate those who unable to be rehabilitated-- in this scenario, the MIC.

#15 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-10-08 03:35 PM | Reply

The only solution to rape is quick removal and castration so it doesn't happen again.

Otherwise it is simply a futile gesture-- trying to rehabilitate those who unable to be rehabilitated-- in this scenario, the MIC.

#15 | POSTED BY NERFHERDER AT 2019-10-08 03:35 PM | FLAG:

You won't get much argument from me or any other liberals about the need to get the hell out of the Middle East"at least in theory. And staying around long enough to "fix" it has not panned out in recent history.

But who are we "castrating" here? Ourselves?

I can't imagine this is going to end well for the Kurds, who had been allied with us in the battle against ISIS. You remember how we sided with the mujahideen in Afghanistan? Then we left town and they turned against us, contributing in a major way to 9/11 and all the rest.

There are no simple solutions. And I find it interesting, to say the least, that anything Trump does seems to benefit Putin.

#16 | Posted by cbob at 2019-10-08 03:54 PM | Reply

"Then we left town and they turned against us"

9-11 happened in large part because of American troops in Saudi Arabia and elsewhere, not the lack of them in Afghanistan.

#17 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-10-08 03:59 PM | Reply

Some funn-eh whining going on here...typical sour grapes republicl0wnery though... let's not lose sight of the fact that another war with a "primitive" bunch of "barbarians" in an Asiatic nation is lost by the greatest military in the world. 18 years ago the clown brigade was going to civilize and democratize the Middle East.

#18 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-10-08 04:04 PM | Reply

This debate is but a symptom of a much broader problem. I can't say it much better than this:

Donald Trump may be an unusually ignorant and capricious president, but he is by no means alone in enjoying an almost completely free hand in the realm of foreign policy. For decades now " under both Democrats and Republicans " we have been moving toward a settlement that permits the executive branch to decide, on a whim, where, when, and how we are at war " and even what constitutes "war" per se. Today, we can see why that is a bad idea. Today, by the same token, we can see why that settlement persists. What, exactly, are the parameters by which President Trump is supposed to make his decisions? Congress has not declared war in, or with, Syria, and it has not voted to end a declaration of war in, or with, Syria. It has not made it clear whether it considers that the situation in Syria falls neatly under its previous authorizations of force, or whether it believes that the president is in violation of them. Those who favor a more aggressive foreign policy have not made their case in debate, nor have those who disagree sought in any arena to rebut them. There has been no push for a clarifying statute, no attempt to increase or withdraw funding, and no talk of commendation or impeachment. Instead, those who were elected to make exactly these decisions have, as a class, happily consented to their own impotence. Congress, to borrow a phrase, has become a seraglio of eunuchs, which, terrified of weighing in on matters of life and death, prefers to gripe on TV, to complain on Twitter, and to beseech the executive from the safety of the stump, while doing nothing of any consequence in either direction.

www.nationalreview.com

#19 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-10-08 04:17 PM | Reply

Is not this threatened pullout quite similar to the reason Gen Mattis resigned as Sec of Defense last December? Didn't Pres Trump threaten to pull the troops out back then as well?

#20 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-10-08 05:16 PM | Reply

Looks like It's on:

A bad situation in Northeast Syria is about to get much worse. Sources tell me that US officials have just informed the Syrian Kurds that Turkey is likely to attack on air and ground in next 24 hours. The US will do nothing.

...Turkish attack appears coordinated with the Russians.

Russian-backed forces are mobilizing to invade the Kurdish area from the south " towards Tabqa and other spots. Meanwhile, ISIS is mobilizing sleeper cells in Raqqa and attacks have taken place tonight.

...thousands of ISIS detainees and families, who may be breaking out of camps and prisons after Turkish attack--with NO American back-up plan.

twitter.com

We'll know soon enough.

#21 | Posted by YAV at 2019-10-08 10:06 PM | Reply

US forces withdrew about 12 hours ago. All 50 of them. Flown out on commercial 747s with a half dozen carrying their equipment.

#22 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-10-09 08:10 AM | Reply

Turk's 3rd Corp has moved in. Kurds are arming all civilians.

A US ground patrol remains in Kobani. No Turk build up there, it's all to the East, aimed to go straight south to Raqqa. It seems the arabs refugees that fled to Turkey aren't too keen to return to Kurd conquered lands.

#23 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-10-09 08:13 AM | Reply

Trump seems to like to invest in places where 'dictators' are in charge, and it's not just Turkey...

A lawsuit filed by 29 senators and 186 House Democrats " one of three lawsuits that have alleged that Trump is in violation of the Constitution's emoluments clauses, which bar the president from receiving monetary or other benefits of value from foreign or U.S. state entities while in office " claims that Turkey has among the highest number of foreign business ventures in which Trump is at least a partial owner, with 119 listed. Others include China, with 115, and the Philippines, with 121.

The above excerpt was taken from the item below:

www.nbcnews.com

OCU

#24 | Posted by OCUser at 2019-10-09 03:58 PM | Reply

Syrian Christians to US: Don't Abandon Us Now'
After surviving a civil war and ISIS attacks, the Christian minority fears a Turkish takeover in Kurdish border region.

www.christianitytoday.com

#25 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-10-09 04:11 PM | Reply

"Syrian Christians to US: Don't Abandon Us Now'"

The consequences of Ellen DeGeneres' friend Bush's evangelical military 'Crusade' continues to reverberate across the region over 15 years later.

#26 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-10-09 04:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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