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Tuesday, October 08, 2019

The Turkish military, together with the Free Syrian Army, will cross the Syrian border "shortly", President Tayyip Erdogan's communications director said early on Wednesday, as Ankara starts a military incursion in the region.

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Blood will be on your "little" hands Donnie!

#1 | Posted by zelkova at 2019-10-08 08:59 PM | Reply

soooooooo much win-ning

#2 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-10-08 09:09 PM | Reply

Other than the US, is there any countries willing to intervene? Isn't that what the UN is all about?

#3 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-10-08 09:19 PM | Reply

Intervene because we hung them out to dry?

We shouldn't have made the mess to begin with.

#4 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-08 09:24 PM | Reply

Well, I dont subscribe to the 'pottery' argument.

If a fool craps in the yard, you dont crap, too.

#5 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-10-08 09:30 PM | Reply

Isn't trumps glorious unmatched wisdom supposed to stop them?

#6 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-08 09:38 PM | Reply

About time..... I wish Turkey a more secure border. The kurd supported terrorism in Turkey will become a thing of the past as Turkey finally smashes the snot out of them where they all hide out.

The funny thing in all this is how my statement comes through EVERY TIME... that America will leave you twisting in the wind when you need it most! LOL

Proven to be true. AGAIN.

#7 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-10-08 09:55 PM | Reply

It is being reported that this is a Turkish-Russian offensive against the Kurds.

#8 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-08 10:05 PM | Reply

With Russian troops.

WTG, Trump. A lot of blood will be on your hands.

Where will the 12,000 ISIS prisoners the Kurds have been guarding go?

#9 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-10-08 10:06 PM | Reply

You know, this may be the single most disgusting thing I've ever heard of an American president supporting.

#10 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-08 10:07 PM | Reply

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#9

Those ISIS fighters, most of them, are as good as freed.

#11 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-08 10:09 PM | Reply

Wasn't Trump bragging about having beaten ISIS? Was that really just one week ago?

#12 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-08 10:11 PM | Reply

The above all ties into this latest tweet from Ignatious:

A bad situation in Northeast Syria is about to get much worse. Sources tell me that US officials have just informed the Syrian Kurds that Turkey is likely to attack on air and ground in next 24 hours. The US will do nothing.

...Turkish attack appears coordinated with the Russians.

Russian-backed forces are mobilizing to invade the Kurdish area from the south " towards Tabqa and other spots. Meanwhile, ISIS is mobilizing sleeper cells in Raqqa and attacks have taken place tonight.

...thousands of ISIS detainees and families, who may be breaking out of camps and prisons after Turkish attack--with NO American back-up plan.

twitter.com

#13 | Posted by YAV at 2019-10-08 10:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

NBC News learned that the phone call between President Donald Trump and Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdoan initially was instigated to quell Erdoan's growing rage over not getting a sit-down with Trump last month at the United Nations General Assembly. The Turkish leader was furious about the perceived insult, and Trump tried to smooth things over by offering a White House visit " but that still didn't appease Erdoan, who insisted on carrying out a long-planned military operation in northern Syria.

Trump told Erdogan that a moderate incursion, such as clearing out a safe zone, would be acceptable, officials said. But he said a large invasion that leads to major combat operations would be unacceptable, officials said.

If Turkey did launch a large military operation, Trump warned Erdogan, the U.S. would completely withdraw from Syria, according to one senior U.S. official.

www.nbcnews.com

What more need be said?

#14 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-10-08 10:12 PM | Reply

Anyone up for another examination of Donald Trump's barking madness?

#15 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-08 10:12 PM | Reply

"Wasn't Trump bragging about having beaten ISIS? Was that really just one week ago?

#12 | POSTED BY ZED "

Actually, that was almost two years, not a week ago, zed. As measured in weeks you are off by only two orders of magnitude.

#16 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-08 10:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#16

Donald Trump was running on re-election in part for having beaten Isis.

It doesn't matter. Isis is back.

#17 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-08 10:17 PM | Reply

Dead Kurds and live Isis. How's that for a campaign bumper sticker?

#18 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-08 10:19 PM | Reply

...Turkish attack appears coordinated with the Russians.

Well, it appears that our fears of something dramatic occuring while Trump still occupies the Oval is about to be realized as this Administration is now spinning wildly off its axis. Two federal judges are in the midst of ruling the OLC's sitting-President "get out of jail/prosecution/investigation" memo isn't constitutionally worth the paper it's written on, and if so ruled, opens up Trump to numerous criminal charges both in federal and state jurisdictions.

This ish is getting really ugly really fast.

#19 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-10-08 10:20 PM | Reply

#19

I have to believe that the impending American humiliation in Syria is related to Trump's domestic problems. Donald is collapsing mentally.

#20 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-08 10:23 PM | Reply

" Donald is collapsing mentally.

#20 | POSTED BY ZED "

Who better to recognize this fact than yourself?

#21 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-08 10:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#21

Wow. Burn. Wipes away the entire imminent American strategic debacle including the loss of one big round against large scale terrorism.

#22 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-08 10:28 PM | Reply

From fb:

Woah! Christians are speaking loud and clear.

Robertson then took aim at Trump more directly, criticizing his support for Saudi Arabia in addition to the Syrian withdrawal. "The president, who allowed [Jamal] Khashoggi to be cut in pieces without any repercussions whatsoever, is now allowing the Christians and the Kurds to be massacred by the Turks," he said.

#23 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-10-08 10:31 PM | Reply

As always expected, faced with a big crisis Trump folded and now people will die.

#24 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-08 10:32 PM | Reply

#20

It's all crashing down on him at once and I expect even more ish to hit the fan as each day passes. Whistleblowers might fill a small stadium before this is over because as soon as these officials realize that they may have criminal liability themselves for not following their constitutional duty to report malfeasance, I expect quite a rush of folks trying to keep out of jail once the crash becomes inevitable.

For a long time people have been saying that we're at the end of the beginning. Well, I think we've now passed the point marking the beginning of the end.

#25 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-10-08 10:33 PM | Reply

"As always expected, faced with a big crisis Trump folded and now people will die.

#24 | POSTED BY ZED "

At least it won't be Americans. Why people thing Americans should die for a two century old conflict is beyond me. Why people think the US should be the world's cops is beyond me.

The US will never solve centuries old conflicts. Deal with it and be glad our sons aren't dying trying to do so,

#26 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-08 10:36 PM | Reply

As I currently understand things...

The Kurds did most (some say, 95%) of the fighting against ISIS, and the US troops were there mostly to protect the Kurds from annihilation at Turkish hand.

Once Pres Trump thought ISIS had been beaten, he saw no further use for the Kurds. So, he thought, why waste US troops on their protection?

In December 2018 when Pres Trump had floated the idea of pulling out of Syria, then Sec of State, fmr General Mattis was so aghast with the concept that he resigned. (another adult in the room leaves the White House?)

Now Republican Senators, a.k.a. those whose support Pres Trump needs due to the impeachment proceedings, are starting to remind Pres Trump just how bad of an idea it is to withdraw from Syria. (to little, too late?)

However, having said all that, I have a rather significant concern with what is going on...

For a person, trust is earned over the course of months to years. For a country, it is over the course of years to decades. But in both cases, trust is lost in a flash.

What is Pres Trump doing to the trust earned by the United States over the years?

How long will it take to earn back that trust?


If the United States finds

#27 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-10-08 10:38 PM | Reply

@#27

If the United States finds

(I thought I deleted that phrase... oops...)

#28 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-10-08 10:39 PM | Reply

@#26 ... Why people thing Americans should die for a two century old conflict is beyond me. Why people think the US should be the world's cops is beyond me....

While I can agree with what I quote in some respects, there should be a different approach to changing our policy than to encourage the slaughter of those soldiers whom we told, "we got your back."

#29 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-10-08 10:42 PM | Reply

whom we told, "we got your back."

Now left twisting in the wind. LOL

Everyone knew this was going to happen at some point... this is America we are talking about.... wind you up and then leave you on your own when things get exciting. LOL

"Being America's friend is worse than being it's enemy"... Henry Kissinger.

#30 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-10-08 10:52 PM | Reply

"While I can agree with what I quote in some respects, there should be a different approach to changing our policy than to encourage the slaughter of those soldiers whom we told, "we got your back."
#29 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER"

Was "we got your back" a Trump policy? Not looking for a 'gotcha'. I honestly don't know.

#31 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-08 10:53 PM | Reply

I honestly don't know.

You honestly don't know anything... except for how to troll.

THAT you know. LOL

#32 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-10-08 10:58 PM | Reply

"Robertson then took aim at Trump more directly,
#23 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER "

Weird how Christian and televangelist haters quote them when it's convenient.

#33 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-08 10:58 PM | Reply

Was "we got your back" a Trump policy?

It's an American policy you stupid fraker. USA is supposed to be the Kurd's protector.

It always has been. The whole Iraq war was based on it. And then this policy was extended to Syria.

#34 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-10-08 10:59 PM | Reply

Weird how Christian and televangelist haters quote them when it's convenient.

GOAT TROLL activated... 3, 2, 1....

#35 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-10-08 11:02 PM | Reply

@#31 ... Was "we got your back" a Trump policy? ...

I suspect it may have been in place before Pres Trump took office.

That's why I said there needs to be a better way of changing policy than to encourage the slaughter of our allies.

In this aspect, it is not Pres Trump, it is the United States whose reputation is being tarnished.


#36 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-10-08 11:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

In this aspect, it is not Pres Trump, it is the United States whose reputation is being tarnished.

Totally.

#37 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-10-08 11:11 PM | Reply

There are other players who understand the situation much better and who are already standing by to jump into the void the U.S. is going to leave. Here is what Henry Foy, the FT's Moscow Bureau Chief observed on Monday: "With impeccable timing, Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov just started a meeting with Kurdistan Prime Minister Masrour Barzani. Aside from Moscow's role as Syrian powerbroker, Kremlin-controlled oil giant Rosneft is drilling in Kurdistan and building export pipelines." Perhaps the decision to withdraw from northern Syria was never really made by Donald Trump himself but by someone else.

#38 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-10-08 11:28 PM | Reply

It always has been. The whole Iraq war was based on it. And then this policy was extended to Syria.
#34 | POSTED BY J_TREMAIN

Amen. These dumb ----- who supported GW on Iraq own this debacle.

#39 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-10-08 11:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Yay, kill them all, Orange Man Bad!!!

-The Supposedly Anti-War Left

#40 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-10-08 11:40 PM | Reply

@#39 ... These dumb ::::s who supported GW on Iraq own this debacle. ...

It has been said many times that fmr Pres G.W.Bush's dissolution of the Iraqi Army without confiscating their arms may have led to the start of a well-armed ISIS.

I've never had the time to look more deeply into that supposition...


#41 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-10-08 11:41 PM | Reply

Trump has a licensing deal with Trump Towers Istanbul that has provided him as much as $7 million over the last three years a business arrangement Trump himself conceded was a "conflict of interest" before he was elected.

Libowitz said Turkish officials had also made 14 visits to Trump's hotel near the White House more than by any other country.

www.huffpost.com

It's sad even that we have to consider whether any President's personal interests are influencing a major foreign policy decision but that's an impossibility with this President. I'm tired of arguing that none of this had to be. All that need be done was to make Trump and his family follow the normal ethical requirements expected of a POTUS.

This is one of those "If you won't follow the rules then don't apply for the job" situations, not one in which a person of Trump's obvious dubious character was given every benefit of every doubt knowing of his personality and history.

Expecting a President to be ethical and motivated by the nation's interests (writ large and small) shouldn't be a partisan thing. That so many refuse to see that we don't currently have one may have finally brought about a time when we might just need one.

#42 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-10-08 11:48 PM | Reply

@#42 ... It's sad even that we have to consider whether any President's personal interests are influencing a major foreign policy decision ...

Yes, it is sad that we are forced into asking the question: how large of a role do Pres Trump's business interests play in the decisions he makes?

#43 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-10-08 11:54 PM | Reply

Bears repeating:

David Ignatius @IgnatiusPost

...I'm also told that Turkish attack appears coordinated with the Russians. Russian-backed forces are mobilizing to invade the Kurdish area from the south " towards Tabqa and other spots. Meanwhile, ISIS is mobilizing sleeper cells in Raqqa and attacks have taken place tonight.

...And finally there is the scary issue of the thousands of ISIS detainees and families, who may be breaking out of camps and prisons after Turkish attack--with NO American back-up plan. This is a major disaster coming at us because of Trump's decisions. Hours left to stop it...

5:13 PM - 8 Oct 2019

#44 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10-09 01:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Also bears repeating:

Mikel Jollett @Mikel_Jollett

Mikel Jollett Retweeted David Ignatius
To be clear, Trump just abandoned one of our staunchest allies to DIE.

There is NO benefit to US interest. Who benefits?

The Turks, Russia and ISIS.

#45 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10-09 01:16 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Who benefits?

The Turks, Russia and ISIS.

and TRUMP.

#46 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-10-09 01:21 AM | Reply

@#44 ... I'm also told that Turkish attack appears coordinated with the Russians. ...

I have to wonder, and I am concerned, about the level of coordination that seems to be occurring. ... On more than one front.

WTF is going on here?

Have we (i.e., the United States, just intentionally thrown own allies into a Cuisinart? If so, for what purpose?


#47 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-10-09 01:32 AM | Reply

If so, for what purpose?

There doesn't have to be "purpose" behind incompetence and cowardice.

Both incompetence and cowardice are self-fueling and don't need the help of any third force-vector.

#48 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-10-09 01:46 AM | Reply

@#48

What frightens me is that I seem to agree with some (some) of what you say.

(I had a lot more sentences typed in, but when I pressed the Preview Comment button, they were lost for some reason. Yes, that is still an issue...)

#49 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-10-09 02:40 AM | Reply

You know, this may be the single most disgusting thing I've ever heard of an American president supporting.

#10 | Posted by Zed

The death toll may approach that of Iraqis (including Iraqi general staff) who heeded George HW Bush's call to rebel at the end of the first Gulf War and were slaughtered by Saddam's Republican Guard when we didn't provide them any help. At all. Our fighter pilots filmed Republican Guards advancing on them. Estimates are Saddam murdered at least 100,000 Iraqis who heeded that call.

#50 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-10-09 03:13 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Estimates are Saddam murdered at least 100,000 Iraqis who heeded that call.

#50 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-10-09 03:13 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

The Kurds will fight, so the death toll will exceed 100,000.

It doesn't surprise me how easily the Trumpists fall in line with murderous crap like this. It gives evidence towards some of my more "paranoid" ideas, one being that if Trump declares some form of dictatorship (already underway) they're all going to sit on their smug asses and cluck about it's the right thing to do and how much we deserve it.

#51 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-09 07:56 AM | Reply

Our fighter pilots filmed Republican Guards advancing on them. Estimates are Saddam murdered at least 100,000 Iraqis who heeded that call.

More propaganda from the RETORT's song and dance guy/professional liar.

#52 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-10-09 09:28 AM | Reply

More propaganda from the RETORT's song and dance guy/professional liar.

#52 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-1

Saddam Hussein took revenge. On a large scale. Interesting you don't think so.

#53 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-09 09:56 AM | Reply

Saddam Hussein took revenge. On a large scale.

Maybe he did or maybe he didn't. I couldn't care less about Iraq.

But saying, "American pilots watched him kill off a bazillion people and filmed it"... that's just Hollywood.

Like it or not, Americanty exaggerates... and lies... a lot. Too much drama with this guy. LOL

#54 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-10-09 02:04 PM | Reply

The quote is:
Our fighter pilots filmed Republican Guards advancing on them. Estimates are Saddam murdered at least 100,000 Iraqis who heeded that call.

Why did you make up a statement, put it in quotes, attributed it to AmericanUnity? You're projecting.

You obviously have no actual valid point to make, otherwise you'd have done that instead of resorting to the above ridiculousness.

#55 | Posted by YAV at 2019-10-09 02:15 PM | Reply

Why did you make up a statement, put it in quotes, attributed it to AmericanUnity?

It was a sarcastic summarization of his high drama. DUH

You're projecting.

Am I?

Ask the drama dude to provide a CREDIBLE link to what he said.

#56 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-10-09 05:07 PM | Reply

What you don't get about Americant is that he is a NEEDY individual. He NEEDS people to believe HIS STORIES. He NEEDS people to be his friends.

It's the only way people like him can get to first base with a girl. LOL

#57 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-10-09 05:10 PM | Reply

You have no idea how that's how you come across on here, do you?

#58 | Posted by YAV at 2019-10-09 06:09 PM | Reply

You have no idea how that's how you come across on here, do you?

LOL... no... I don't need "a friend" and I don't treat the RETORT like a pick-up bar.

You damn well know I don't have friends here and that I am fine with that.

#59 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-10-09 11:37 PM | Reply

TREMAIN

Educate yourself about the aftermath of George HW Bush's call to rebel after the 1991 Gulf War instead of hurling feces like an angry baboon.

Tens of thousands (estimates range up to 200,000) were killed and 2 million people were displaced after the rebellion George HW Bush called on the Iraqis to commit. That's also when he drained the marshes.

American pilots flying over southern Iraq held their fire as the Republican Guard massacred Shi'ites on the ground. Bush refrained from aiding Kurdish rebels in the north, although he finally sent troops and relief supplies to protect hundreds of thousands of fleeing Kurds who were in danger of freezing or starving to death.

www.cnn.com


#60 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-10-10 12:21 AM | Reply

Educate yourself

Sez the Professional Liar.

www.cnn.com

Trump has declared CNN "Fake News".

youtu.be

Nice try, loser.

Do we have some NON-American/NON-war propaganda links? No?

Of course not.

Sources that repeat whatever came out of REUTERS, AFP, BBC or any American network would only lie to justify a war started on a bunch of lies told to the UN.

I do not doubt that Saddam was a savage. I am sure he killed thousands or more.

But YOU are a born liar too. What do we do about THAT? hmmm?

#61 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-10-10 12:42 AM | Reply

hurling feces like an angry baboon.

I am not hurling feces.

Feces is coming out of nowhere to stick to your face.

You are a feces magnet.

#62 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-10-10 12:44 AM | Reply

Unhinged wackadoodle unloads.
perfect illustration of looking at any source to support a belief.
quoting trump as trustworthy.
Nice.

You misunderstood my comment about how you come across on here.
On the other hand, you've left no doubt in anyone's mind of what I was saying.

Thanks?

#63 | Posted by YAV at 2019-10-10 09:14 AM | Reply

quoting trump

Trump is your beloved President and Commander in Chief, is he not?

If I can't quote the President, who do I quote? A lowlife like you? LOL

On the other hand, you've left no

On the other hand, nobody cares what you think.

You are welcome?

#64 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-10-10 09:33 AM | Reply

Trump's a lying POS, untrustworthy, scum.

I just thought you'd be smart enough not to use the most prolific liar the U.S. has ever put in office in a logical fallacy: "Appeal to Authority."

Clearly I overestimated you on all fronts.

#65 | Posted by YAV at 2019-10-10 09:40 AM | Reply

You made, brah?

Why you mad, brah? LOL

I just thought you'd be smart enough not to use the most prolific liar the U.S. has ever put in office

He is the President.

You are not.

You can hate that all you like but you can't change reality. Even if he is a bad person, whatever he sez, counts.

Whatever you say or do... does not count for anything.

I will always choose/quote the winning side.

And yes, I am also of the opinion that most American news.. CNN included... is fake news.

No other media lied as much as American media did to start the Gulf War. If you deny that, you are even stupider than I think you are.

#66 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-10-10 09:47 AM | Reply

I actually have no idea what you're trying to do with all this, but it's rather entertaining.
all the assumptions and positions you're assigning, the world of logical fallacy you live in - it's a smorgasbord of mental disfunction.
I'm actually chucking more than anything.

I just can't quit ya, Tremain!

#67 | Posted by YAV at 2019-10-10 09:52 AM | Reply

(though I will have to, since I am at work...!)

#68 | Posted by YAV at 2019-10-10 09:54 AM | Reply

it's a smorgasbord of mental disfunction.

Geniuses and people with a vision have always been seen as nutters.

It's OK. You simply do not recognize my kind yet.

But you will come around eventually.

#69 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-10-10 01:42 PM | Reply

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