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Wednesday, October 09, 2019

Half of voters support the impeachment and removal of President Donald Trump, according to a new POLITICO/Morning Consult poll.

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The number will only go up. The smell of blood in Syria will drive it, among many other things.

#1 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-09 08:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I saw on ABC News last night bigger numbers in support of impeachment and smaller numbers opposed. Those opposed to impeachment are down now to about 37% and those in favor of impeachment are over 51%. I'll try to find that poll and post it later.

#2 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-09 09:09 AM | Reply

"The smell of blood in Syria will drive it, among many other things."

More like the smell of shame Americans will feel after Turkey kills thousands of Kurds and after the thousands of ISIS fighters are freed to wreak havoc again. Trump will wear this guilt for the rest of his miserable life.

#3 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-09 09:11 AM | Reply

Trump will wear this guilt for the rest of his miserable life.

#3 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-09 09:11 AM | Reply

People with Trump's mental condition don't feel guilt.

But make him wear it anyway.

#4 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-09 09:42 AM | Reply

Go ahead with impeachment. Both parties will issue subpoenas and everyone that knows something must testify.

#5 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-10-09 09:45 AM | Reply

everyone that knows something must testify.

#5 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-10-09 09:45 AM | Reply | Flag:

Knows something about what? Joe Biden?

#6 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-09 09:51 AM | Reply

Go ahead with impeachment. Both parties will issue subpoenas and everyone that knows something must testify.

#5 | POSTED BY PETROUS AT 2019-10-09 09:45 AM | FLAG:

I'm all in. Every corrupt politician should die by the same sword they've been wielding. Its beyond time to flush Washington DC

#7 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-10-09 10:23 AM | Reply

#5

You obviously don't understand how the impeachment process works. The House acts as the Grand Jury, so the majority controls the collection of evidence and determines who testifies about what, in order to formulate the Articles of Impeachment should the inquiry lead to such.

There is no "both sides" in the House. The majority is the prosecutor seeking to level indictments. The accused and his defenders have very limited rights in this process by design, just like in grand jury proceedings. They cannot cross examine witnesses nor challenge evidence. There is no right for the process to take place in the open since the same rationales behind grand jury secrecy extend to impeachment inquiries. This is nothing untoward, it's common practice. The full House is presented the findings and votes as to whether the charges should be sent for trial in the Senate.

If any of the Articles of Impeachment are passed by the full House, the Senate then takes them up and holds a trial. THIS is where the accused has the rights of a spirited defense and its attendant rights of subpoena, cross examination of witnesses, and the submission of exculpatory evidence being principal among those rights.

But don't confuse the two separate and distinct processes which have wholly different rule-sets. Our Founders certainly didn't.

#8 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-10-09 10:29 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#8 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

The process is inherently political.

While what you say is true, it's a tack that is destined to fail.

If impeachment proceedings are seen as grossly unfair the public will sour toward it and the Senate will hold a quick vote on removal and said vote won't go well.

#9 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-10-09 10:34 AM | Reply

The proceedings will not be seen as grossly unfair when the people with information pertinent are forced to testify under oath. When the subpoenaed documents are presented. When the actual transcripts of Trump's phone gall with the President of Ukraine is presented. Trump and AG Coverup have been obstructing justice for the entire investigaton.

#10 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-09 10:47 AM | Reply

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Those opposed to impeachment are down now to about 37%

His rabid base, who will never ever express enough remorse to support impeachment.

#11 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-09 10:56 AM | Reply

Danni,

"I saw on ABC News last night bigger numbers in support of impeachment and smaller numbers opposed."

Are these numbers going up in favor of "impeachment" or "impeachment inquiry"?

They are not the same thing.

An inquiry might be good to show everyone the mentality of Democrats and to get the facts out about Joe Biden and his son.

It's pretty well a sure thing the Biden story will never be covered by MSM without an inquiry.

#12 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-10-09 11:01 AM | Reply

and to get the facts out about Joe Biden and his son.

Right wing noise machine achieved their goal.

You have been successfully programmed to believe this nonsense.

Although, based on your posting history it didn't take much I'm sure...

#13 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-09 11:06 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I read about Clinton's trial and the Dems and Repubs drew their own rules to avoid a circus involving witnesses.

The Senate has subpoena power, too. If a subpoena is stopped in the House, may go through in the Senate. Better do it all in the House.

I can bet Trump will want to appear and face accusers in the Senate trial if impeached.

The indictment must be solid.

#14 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-10-09 11:14 AM | Reply

"I can bet Trump will want to appear and face accusers in the Senate trial if impeached."

Nonsense. Trump wouldn't take an oath to tell the truth if his life depended on it.

#15 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-10-09 11:15 AM | Reply

Jpw,

I'm not sure what "facts" we have yet.

I don't pay attention to noise news or "facts" that blow with wind.

#16 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-10-09 11:20 AM | Reply

I read about Clinton's trial and the Dems and Repubs drew their own rules to avoid a circus involving witnesses.

Not going to happen this time.

A circus is what the Repubs want. They thrive on webs of lies and muddy, murky, impossible to see through water.

That's why they spin the lies and muddy the water every chance they get.

I can bet Trump will want to appear and face accusers in the Senate trial if impeached.

He'll make that claim because he knows the rubes that constitute his base will believe it. But he never will. The man can't tell the truth to save his life and his massive ego coupled with his millisecond long attention span all but guarantees he contradicts himself and commits perjury.

#17 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-09 11:20 AM | Reply

I'm not sure what "facts" we have yet.

I don't pay attention to noise news or "facts" that blow with wind.

#16 | Posted by BillJohnson

Then why are you commenting?

You're basically saying we know nothing when that's not anywhere close to true.

#18 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-09 11:21 AM | Reply

The proceedings will not be seen as grossly unfair when the people with information pertinent are forced to testify under oath. When the subpoenaed documents are presented. When the actual transcripts of Trump's phone gall with the President of Ukraine is presented. Trump and AG Coverup have been obstructing justice for the entire investigation.

Exactly. The House is in the process of compiling evidence and witness testimony in order to bring indictments (Articles) to the full House floor for a majority vote. The House's role is not to provide the accused with any defense or cross examination of witnesses, just like in grand jury proceedings.

If Trump's supporters think that indicting the process will undermine it's result, then our appellate courts will be inundated with folks indicted by grand juries all over the country if what Trumper's claim to be their "rights" illegalizes the process.

Trump is trying to redefine the impeachment process and he has no right to do so. The Constitution is pretty clear about this. He can defend himself all he wants once any article gets to the Senate, but he has no rights to call the House's process unconstitutional when it's following that same Constitution.

#19 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-10-09 11:27 AM | Reply

Here's the reality of the impeachment process: The House's role is to determine whether or not sufficient evidence exists that rises to the level which requires 1.) Articles of impeachment being drawn and submitted for vote to the full House; and 2.) If passed by the House, the articles will be the basis to commence a trial in the Senate - officiated by the Chief Justice of the SCOTUS - whereby the 100 Senators make up the jury that will hear the case.

If anyone thinks Roberts is going to let McConnell rubber stamp a sham trial, I don't see that possibility. The evidence and testimony will be out there in the public's view. Then and only then can a wise assessment be made as to the gravity of its weight.

The Dems are not taking this lightly, it's deathly serious. Too bad the GOP is trying to turn it all into a 3 ring circus.

Let the evidence stand or fall on its merits. But the guilty always criticize any process that determines their guilt. Quelle surprise.

#20 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-10-09 11:37 AM | Reply

Jpw,

My question was whether poll numbers are on favor of impeachment or an impeachment inquiry.

That's why I posted.

You see...that does matter when someone says half of America wants Trump impeached.

#21 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-10-09 11:38 AM | Reply

Jpw,

And we need to know the facts about Biden so the story isn't just "noise" as you said.

#22 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-10-09 11:42 AM | Reply

And we need to know the facts about Biden so the story isn't just "noise" as you said.

#22 | Posted by BillJohnson

The facts are already out there.

The entire Biden "we need the facts" narrative is the right kicking up muck to make the water dirty enough to hide Trump's malfeasance.

Nothing more, nothing less.

#23 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-09 11:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Interesting numbers.

Right when Nixon was about to be removed, 57% of the American public supported removal. None removal was in the mid 30's. We are close to those numbers now.

#24 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-10-09 12:06 PM | Reply

And we need to know the facts about Biden so the story isn't just "noise" as you said.

#22 | Posted by BillJohnson

Here are the facts:

The allegations against the company younger Biden worked for came 2-4 years before he started working there.

The Prosecutor VP Biden demanded be fired, and the entire rest of the world demanded be fired, wasn't investigating the company.

In fact, the investigation was OVER by the time Biden demanded he be fired.

Worse, firing of the prosecutor for failure to investigate corruption meant that the company was MORE likely to be re-investigated.

Feel better now?

#25 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-10-09 12:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I can bet Trump will want to appear and face accusers in the Senate trial if impeached.

Hahaha! The guy who asserts every privilege (existent and non-existen) under the sun to stop every single person from testifying in the House, the guy who just yesterday sent an 8 page letter stating that he will not cooperate with the impeachment process in any way, you can bet is going to show up himself and testify?

How much will that bet be?

#26 | Posted by JOE at 2019-10-09 12:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

How much will that bet be?

#26 | Posted by JOE at

I want in.

#27 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-09 12:12 PM | Reply

Right when Nixon was about to be removed, 57% of the American public supported removal. None removal was in the mid 30's. We are close to those numbers now.

#24 | Posted by Sycophant

Republican base may crack even more once they figure out they can still get a lot of what they want without the buffoon in office.

#28 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-09 12:14 PM | Reply

Republican base may crack even more once they figure out they can still get a lot of what they want without the buffoon in office.

#28 | POSTED BY ZED

Like what? All they have gotten is a couple Supreme Court justices (only achieved by violating all precedent and changing the rules so you only need a simple majority) and a billionaire tax cut. Conservatives have been able to accomplish pretty much NOTHING in the past 3 years.

Really the only thing they like about Trump is that he "owns libs" by throwing gradeschool insults at them. Do you think a President Pence would take "The Donald's" place on twitter?

#29 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-10-09 12:42 PM | Reply

Nancy looks smarter every day; waiting for Trump to hand himself with the rope she gave him, and the pubic finally getting on board with impeachment.

Contrary to to the premature impeachment that some rwing real estate attnys around here advised.

#30 | Posted by Corky at 2019-10-09 01:06 PM | Reply

Conservatives have been able to accomplish pretty much NOTHING in the past 3 years.

#29 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-10-09 12:42 PM | Reply

I take your point. Let me re-phrase: Republicans might come to see that they'll get just as much nothing with Trump gone, and things will be quieter to boot.

#31 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-09 01:22 PM | Reply

In any case, there's evidence the Republican base is cracking. The Trump Dead Enders will remain I their spider holes regardless. Those Republicans who have some values other than Trump are the ones turning to support impeachment.

#32 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-09 01:24 PM | Reply

... Half of voters support the impeachment and removal of President Donald Trump ...

Which may be one of the main reasons why Pres Trump is starting his Please Don't Impeach Me campaign, a.k.a., one of the reasons why VP Pence is in Iowa.


#33 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-10-09 01:34 PM | Reply

- hand himself

OK, sorry. That would be RoC.

#34 | Posted by Corky at 2019-10-09 02:44 PM | Reply

They have probably 20 articles of impeachment ready to vote on and thats with Trump..Giuliani and the rest of the clowns all stonewalling...
It will be 50 when everything is brought to the light

#35 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2019-10-09 02:49 PM | Reply

Syc,

Thanks for the info.

#36 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-10-09 08:32 PM | Reply

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