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Wednesday, October 09, 2019

Turkey launched a planned military operation in northeastern Syria on Wednesday aimed at flushing out a Syrian militia backed by the United States, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan wrote on Twitter.

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Who would you rather have as an ally? Turkey or a rag-tag bunch of mercenaries? I'm choosing our staunch ally.

#1 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-10-09 10:39 AM | Reply

"Early Wednesday, Mr. Trump reiterated his opposition to United States military presence in the Middle East, writing on Twitter that "USA should never have been in Middle East."

Liars like Trump forget about their own statements back when we were first invading Iraq. He supported the invasion. This puppet of Putin and Ergodan needs to be removed from office.

#2 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-09 10:39 AM | Reply

"Who would you rather have as an ally? Turkey or a rag-tag bunch of mercenaries? I'm choosing our staunch ally."

I'd choose the rag-tag bunch of fighters who defeated ISIS.

#3 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-09 10:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Turkey is not really an ally of the United States. You can pretend all you want but they would never come to the aid of any nation Russia was attacking.

#4 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-09 10:41 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Turkey is not really an ally of the United States. "

You mean Turkey dies not lick the American boot. Fine. That's better for them. Still, I do recall reading that they were pretty nice to us during operation desert storm, despite many in their country being against their acquiescence to allow airstrikes from their territory.

#5 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-10-09 10:53 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"You mean Turkey dies not lick the American boot."

No they don't but Putin's shoes sure looked shiny after his last meeting with Ergodan.

#6 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-09 10:58 AM | Reply

And Trump threatening the Turkish economy....what a joke.

#7 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-09 10:58 AM | Reply

I guess it's time for Trump to deploy his Great and Unmatched Wisdom.

I, for one, am shivering with awe.

#8 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-09 11:07 AM | Reply

#6 Turkish cooperation with Russia is rational and therefore expected seeing that they share a common border via the Black Sea.

#9 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-10-09 11:09 AM | Reply

Still no right wingers on this site commenting about Trump's policy change on standing by the Kurds? Cowards.

#10 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-10-09 11:10 AM | Reply

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Well, at least Trump Towers in Istanbul now stands to make monster profits financially.

#11 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-10-09 11:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Putin wins again. Buying trump was the cheapest most effective way to restore russia's power.

#12 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-09 11:16 AM | Reply

Still no right wingers on this site commenting about Trump's policy change on standing by the Kurds? Cowards.
#10 | POSTED BY MODER8

Argument/troll bait? Is that what this is?
Turkey calls the Kurds terrorists. Are they? Do you or anyone here know they are or aren't for sure?
Are the Sunnis terrorists? Do you know for sure?

If fact all we know *for sure, is these people been fighting for one hellova long time.

#13 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-10-09 11:19 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

I'm choosing our staunch ally.

Who would that be? Certainly not Turkey.

#14 | Posted by JOE at 2019-10-09 11:20 AM | Reply

These guys were on our side and we left them to be slaughtered. This is not cool. Every American should be ashamed of how we treat our allies.

#15 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-10-09 11:20 AM | Reply

"Do you or anyone here know they are or aren't for sure?"

Yes. Ask Mad Dog why he left. Ask the military leaders. I posted an article on it.

Your ignorance is not better than my knowledge.

#16 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-10-09 11:22 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

#13: An apologist for genocide reveals himself.

#17 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-10-09 11:22 AM | Reply

Laurence Tribe @tribelaw

If some of the 10,000 ISIS fighters are released by Turkey's imminent attack on the Kurds as a predictable result of Trump's insane pullout, our president will have given "aid and comfort" to an enemy with whom we are at war under the AUMF. Read Article III of the Constitution.

#18 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10-09 11:29 AM | Reply

Turkey calls the Kurds terrorists. Are they? Do you or anyone here know they are or aren't for sure?

Trumpian logic at its finest. Most of the world says Syrian Kurds have been an ally against ISIS, including American intel and defense agencies. But one idiot (Erdogan) says otherwise and that's enough for Trumptards.

#19 | Posted by JOE at 2019-10-09 11:31 AM | Reply

"Do you or anyone here know they are or aren't for sure"

remember when the Kurds where the apple of "conservative" eyes

apparently, the "conservatives" here have

#20 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-10-09 11:31 AM | Reply

Sky News @SkyNews

"What we're seeing is one of the greatest betrayals in military history."

@DominicWaghorn has the latest as Turkey launches its military operation in northern Syria.

twitter.com

#21 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10-09 11:32 AM | Reply

"Are the Sunnis terrorists? Do you know for sure?"

We do know that Sunnis funded 9-11, we do know that most of the terrorists who carried out the 9-11 attacks were Sunnis from Saudi Arabia. No Kurds, to my knowledge have ever attacked America.

#22 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-09 11:32 AM | Reply

Yeah, they attack Turkey lol. Hence the invasion.

#23 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-10-09 11:35 AM | Reply

Check the UN website for genocide.

Wow. The UN keeps track of past and current genocides in progress.

It's a good thing the world is watching.

#24 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-10-09 11:35 AM | Reply

and 40 year old war

#25 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-10-09 11:35 AM | Reply

I wonder when Dandy Paul is going to speak up

But who am I kidding?

thefederalist.com

#26 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-10-09 11:35 AM | Reply

#TrumpLovesISIS is trending on Twitter.

#27 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10-09 11:38 AM | Reply

Trump is putin's little bitch. And by the transative property, so is the republican party.

#28 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-09 11:41 AM | Reply

Who would you rather have as an ally? Turkey or a rag-tag bunch of mercenaries? I'm choosing our staunch ally.

#1 | POSTED BY LEE_THE_AGENT AT 2019-10-09 10:39 AM |

The rag-tag mercenaries have been our staunch ally. We used to have several bases in Turkey before Turkey kicked us out of all of them except Incirlik and converted them to Turkish bases. Turkey has at times cut power to incirlik and setup no fly rules preventing American aircraft from flying in,out or over Turkey.

They are closely aligned with Russia and will not be on our side if it does not suit them.

#29 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-10-09 11:41 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

just more evidence you can never trust todays "conservative"

their word is useless

#30 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-10-09 11:47 AM | Reply

So Fat Nixon's great and unmatched wisdom was proven wrong yet again.

So when is Conjob Don going to obliterate the turkish economy?

Oh...never. It would hurt bookings at Rump Tower.

#31 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-10-09 11:50 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Hopefully more and more people, including conservatives, ae waking up to the fact that you can't trust Trump. His word is worthless. Too many wait until one of his promises blows up in their faces before they accept that fact.

#32 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10-09 11:50 AM | Reply

They are closely aligned with Russia and will not be on our side if it does not suit them.

#29 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-10-09 11:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

And there is why Conjob Don surrendered to them. Putin is making his puppet dance to prove how feckless he really is.

#33 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-10-09 11:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Who would you rather have as an ally? Turkey or a rag-tag bunch of mercenaries? I'm choosing our staunch ally.

#1 | POSTED BY LEE_THE_AGENT

I'll go with the Kurds who sacrificed 11,000 of their own in the fight against ISIS for us rather than Turkey who hasn't done much for us, you traitorous -------.

#34 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-10-09 11:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#6 Turkish cooperation with Russia is rational and therefore expected seeing that they share a common border via the Black Sea.

#9 | Posted by NerfHerder

And the Syrian Black Sea coastline is beautiful this time of year.

#35 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-09 11:59 AM | Reply

It's a good thing the world is watching (genocide).

#24 | Posted by Petrous at 2019

They're voyeurs. Like you.

#36 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-09 12:01 PM | Reply

"Turkey is not really an ally of the United States. "

You mean Turkey dies not lick the American boot. Fine. That's better for them. Still, I do recall reading that they were pretty nice to us during operation desert storm, despite many in their country being against their acquiescence to allow airstrikes from their territory.

#5 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-10-09 10:53 AM

So then, who gets the title to Incirlik AFB? www.military.com

#37 | Posted by john47 at 2019-10-09 12:01 PM | Reply

remember when the Kurds where the apple of "conservative" eyes

#20 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses

But they gave away the things they loved and one of them was the Kurds.

#38 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-09 12:02 PM | Reply

"#6 Turkish cooperation with Russia is rational and therefore expected seeing that they share a common border via the Black Sea.
#9 | Posted by NerfHerder"

We all understand that but is sort of disqualifies them for NATO membership.

#39 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-09 12:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This isn't about the US supporting or not supporting Turkey. This is about billionaires uniting to consolidate power:

Reminder: Trump Has a Massive Conflict of Interest in Turkey

Why a Trump real estate deal is relevant to his decision to abandon the Kurds.

www.motherjones.com

It's the same story with Trump & Putin, Trump & MBS, Trump & Bibi, etc.

#40 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10-09 12:14 PM | Reply

Turkey calls the Kurds terrorists. Are they? Do you or anyone here know they are or aren't for sure?

#13 | POSTED BY PHESTEROBOYLE

Far as I'm concerned, the GOP is a terrorist organization. Are they?

#41 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2019-10-09 12:26 PM | Reply

"Reminder: Trump Has a Massive Conflict of Interest in Turkey. Why a Trump real estate deal is relevant to his decision to abandon the Kurds."

That was kind of obvious from the beginning. As these things always are lately.

#42 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2019-10-09 12:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"We all understand that but is sort of disqualifies them for NATO membership."

Not quite. They are one of the very few countries that bridges two continents, and because of that it gives them some leverage over both eastern Europe and Southwestern Asia. As a result, NATO (as long as it exists) needs Turkey and Turkey needs NATO. Symbiotic relationships might have their issues but generally they work well.

#43 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-10-09 12:34 PM | Reply

#34

Traitorous -------? I side with our NATO ally and I'm traitorous? In this geopolitical world, we need all the allies we can get. Kurds are a terrorist group as much as ISIS in regards to Turkey. We pledged to defend Turkey. Kurds were useful tools, that time has passed.

#44 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-10-09 12:44 PM | Reply

#42

Bingo. Anyone who thinks that Trump's actions are not always about what's best for Trump isn't paying attention. America is way down on the list after McDonalds and pre-teen girls.

#45 | Posted by Corky at 2019-10-09 12:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Turkey who hasn't done much for us, you traitorous -------.

#34 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT "

Prior to Erdogan, Turkey has done a lot for the US, and still do though not to the extent they did prior to 2014.

And "traitor" because you don't agree with the side he's taking in an Asian conflict? Jesus, get a grip. That's as banal as the "you hate America" meme people threw around if someone didn't agree with them.

#46 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-09 01:07 PM | Reply

It's going wild now. Artillery battle across the entire border. Mass exodus of Kurd civilians heading South. All border cities being leveled by Turkish howitzers. Turk backed Arab militias moving on Manbij from the West & North. Syrian Defense Forces are attacking Turkey at Karkamis. Kurdish forces raiding Turkish positions on the East end of the line.

#47 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-10-09 01:13 PM | Reply

Syria liveuamap has crashed. Damn. That was the only accurate way to follow what was going on.

#48 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-10-09 01:14 PM | Reply

WWIII would be one way to wag the dog on impeachment:

Iran Holds Military Drills Near Turkey, Tells It to Stop Syria Attack As Russia Accuses U.S. of 'Dangerous Game'
www.msn.com

#49 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10-09 01:17 PM | Reply

"Mass exodus of Kurd civilians heading South. All border cities being leveled by Turkish howitzers."

Lots of dead civilians whose blood will be on Donnie's hands, and only Donnie's since he made this call without warning and without consulting anyone. WINNING!

#50 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10-09 01:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Anyway this dire prediction can be averted?:

Angry Staffer @AngrierWHStaff

Won't be long now before the ISIS fighters being detained are broken out of jail and back fighting for their cause.

Trump's utter incompetence is going to directly result in 10,000+ captured terrorists running free.

#51 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10-09 01:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Lots of dead civilians whose blood will be on Donnie's tiny vulgarian hands...

I had to. I can't help it.

#52 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-10-09 01:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump's utter incompetence is going to directly result in 10,000+ captured terrorists running free.

#51 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10

The only unanswered question is who Trump will blame this on?

#53 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-09 01:27 PM | Reply

I wonder if Trump will say something like: "I was against Isis before I was for it"?

#54 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-09 01:28 PM | Reply

"Mass exodus of Kurd civilians heading South. All border cities being leveled by Turkish howitzers."

Well, no one could have imagined.

#55 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-09 01:30 PM | Reply

That's as banal as the "you hate America" meme

#46 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-09 01:07 PMFlag: (Choose)FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Some people hate the Kurds. Pretty much the same people who hate America. Pretty much the same people who love Trump.

#56 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-09 01:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I wonder if Donald expects a Nobel Prize for Syria?

#57 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-09 01:32 PM | Reply

You know, I think that if Trump unleashes his Great and Unmatched Wisdom to stop the fighting he might deserve that Peace Prize. Even if he did sort of start the war to begin with.

Waiting, Donald.....

#58 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-09 01:36 PM | Reply

"Some people hate the Kurds. Pretty much the same people who hate America. Pretty much the same people who love Trump.

#56 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2019-10-09 01:31 PM "

And some people don't hate anybody. They just don't want Americans fighting in vain for people in Asia like you do, zed.

The Kurds and Turks (and Ottomans before them) have been fighting this war for 200 years. It's folly to think the US, or anyone, can end it except the combatants.

#59 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-09 01:37 PM | Reply

And some people don't hate anybody.

#59 | Posted by goatman at

And some people are cold and stupid.

#60 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-09 01:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's folly to think the US, or anyone, can end it except the combatants.

#59 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-09 01:37 PMFlag: (Choose)FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Also folly to pour gasoline on a fire. But maybe that's just me.

#61 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-09 01:40 PM | Reply

"Also folly to pour gasoline on a fire. But maybe that's just me.

POSTED BY ZED AT 2019-10-09 01:40 PM |"

Exactly. And getting some of the gas (military and their weapons which are just various forms of the aforementioned hydrocarbon) out of there is a good thing. We agree.

#62 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-09 01:42 PM | Reply

"And some people are cold and stupid.

#60 | POSTED BY ZED "

Thank you, cap'n obvious.

I feel the pull of zed's tractor beam of stupidity. I'm outta here.

Carry one with your inanities, zed.

#63 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-09 01:43 PM | Reply

We agree.

#62 | Posted by goatman at 2019

No, you're being stupid.

#64 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-09 01:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Defending this Trumpian nonsense almost always involves a foray into stupidness, and always means you check your code of conduct at the door.

#65 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-09 01:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The last forty-eight hours have been really awful, and all because of Donald Trump. Then we come to the even more awful, but accurate, realization he is no where done yet.

#66 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-09 01:47 PM | Reply

So what have a learned from Donald Trump? That madmen and dictators (think Wicked Witch of the West) get no where without their horde of flying monkeys.

#67 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-09 01:49 PM | Reply

"No...
POSTED BY ZED"

Yes. you said:

""Also folly to pour gasoline on a fire."

What do you think the explosives in bombs and missiles are made of? The same stuff as gasoline, zed. They all cause fires. They all feed the flames. You said it's folly to pour gasoline on a fire. And I agree. We shouldn't do that, no matter what chemical form the gasoline takes.

You should think out your silly metaphors and similes a bit better next time, zed. He who lives by the metaphor dies by the metaphor. LOL

#68 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-09 01:49 PM | Reply

So what have I learned from Donald Trump? That madmen and dictators (think Wicked Witch of the West) get no where without their horde of flying monkeys.

#69 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-09 01:50 PM | Reply

#68 | Posted by goatman

He who lives by the metaphor writes for a living.

#70 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-09 01:51 PM | Reply

When I was a little kid and saw Wizzard of Oz for the first time on TV, the flying monkeys scared me to death. Couldn't stop thinking about them for a very long time. I never that movie again until I was much older.

#71 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-09 01:53 PM | Reply

"What do you think the explosives in bombs and missiles are made of? The same stuff as gasoline, zed. They all cause fires. They all feed the flames. You said it's folly to pour gasoline on a fire. And I agree. We shouldn't do that, no matter what chemical form the gasoline takes"

No one can say this isn't stupid.

#72 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-09 01:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Some facts
Until ipbos pulled our troops there was a fragile peace there and a plan in place for sustained peace
A plan agreed to by turkey Kurds and us
The Kurds in Syria were following the plan
Now there is an active shooting war

#73 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-10-09 01:58 PM | Reply

Who would you rather have as an ally? Turkey or a rag-tag bunch of mercenaries? I'm choosing our staunch ally.

It is unclear who you choose - because I can't think of anything more staunch than an ally that loses ~13,000 of its fighters defeating ISIS.

Abandoning them is going to have consequences, including not having allies. This is a total charlie foxtrot.

#74 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-10-09 02:19 PM | Reply

"Reminder: Trump Has a Massive Conflict of Interest in Turkey. Why a Trump real estate deal is relevant to his decision to abandon the Kurds."
That was kind of obvious from the beginning. As these things always are lately.

#42 | POSTED BY HAGBARD_CELINE

"But it's all being done out in the open. Which makes it exculpatory." - Rudy Giuliani

#75 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-10-09 02:23 PM | Reply

Russian special forces and Syrian regular army troops are en route to Manjib, to reinforce Kurd SDF positions.

#76 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-10-09 02:24 PM | Reply

"Turkey who hasn't done much for us, you traitorous -------.
#34 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT "
Prior to Erdogan, Turkey has done a lot for the US, and still do though not to the extent they did prior to 2014.
And "traitor" because you don't agree with the side he's taking in an Asian conflict? Jesus, get a grip. That's as banal as the "you hate America" meme people threw around if someone didn't agree with them.

#46 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Traitor because the Kurds sacrificed 11,000 people helping us beat ISIS and we are leaving them to die to protect Trump Towers in Istanbul. Yeah, that's the meaning of Traitor.

#77 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-10-09 02:28 PM | Reply

Hopefully more and more people, including conservatives, ae waking up to the fact that you can't trust Trump.

I wouldn't bet on it.

I'd put money on conservatives suddenly becoming peaceniks and demanding we stop meddling in the Middle East.

Conversely, do you remember the fury of the right when Obama wanted to pull out of Iraq?

America, divided we fall.

#78 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-10-09 02:30 PM | Reply

This is as disgraceful an episode of betrayal of loyal allies as I can remember seeing in my lifetime. The US should be ashamed. We have left our close friends out to be slaughtered. The US military has no honor.

#79 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-10-09 02:48 PM | Reply

CNN is doing a huge disservice to their viewers by trying to paint the Kurds as the victim and a longtime ally. Read a little history. We had a common enemy so we joined forces. However, the Kurds have been attacking Turkey for decades. We can't let the Kurds use us as a shield against a NATO ally. That's just ridiculous.

#80 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2019-10-09 03:36 PM | Reply

Turkey remembers THIS incident quite well.

youtu.be

Now we will see pancake.. now that US protection of the bloody Kurdish terrorists has been removed.

#81 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-10-09 05:17 PM | Reply

We can't let the Kurds use us as a shield against a NATO ally. That's just ridiculous.

#80 | Posted by gracieamazed

Putin is not a nato ally. This is just ANOTHER example of trump taking orders from putin.

#82 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-09 05:28 PM | Reply

Russia is currently fighting NATO-member backed Islamic jihadists in Manjib, invited in by the Kurds.

#83 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-10-09 05:39 PM | Reply

#74

I'm on the side of our NATO allies.

#84 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-10-09 05:40 PM | Reply

This is just ANOTHER example of trump taking orders from putin.

He used to take orders from Putin yesterday.

Today he took orders from Erdogan.

Next he will take orders from the Mayor of Timbuktoo.

Maybe after that, he will start taking orders from the McDonalds guy/gal behind the counter. Will end up serving them burgers instead of getting for himself.....

This is an example of self-esteem slowly sliding down into the gutter.

#85 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-10-09 05:40 PM | Reply

I always learn when you post, Sitz. Thanks.

#86 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-10-09 05:42 PM | Reply

I always learn when you post, Sitz. Thanks.

#86 | POSTED BY LEE_THE_AGENT AT 2019-10-09 05:42 PM | FLAG:

Just follow the live conflict maps if you can. The news will never accurately summarize all of the different parties and their temporary, constantly shifting alliances. The partisan hacks are the most clueless and are just spouting ignorance.

#87 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-10-09 06:01 PM | Reply

and now the Kurds have announced they are going to use human shields.

...

#88 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-10-09 06:47 PM | Reply

"Traitor because the Kurds sacrificed 11,000 people helping us beat ISIS and we are leaving them to die to protect Trump Towers in Istanbul. Yeah, that's the meaning of Traitor.

#77 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT "

I thought a traitor was someone who betrayed their country, not someone who refused to die for other countries.

#89 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-09 06:52 PM | Reply

"America, divided we fall.

#78 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

Are the Kurds an American state?

It's so weird how proggies get their undies in a bundle over support of Israel who actually provide strategic advantages, but want US support of the Kurds who do what exactly for the US's interests?

#90 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-09 06:56 PM | Reply

New Trump logo: MIGA (Make ISIS Great Again)

#91 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-10-10 12:49 AM | Reply

"Reminder: Trump Has a Massive Conflict of Interest in Turkey. Why a Trump real estate deal is relevant to his decision to abandon the Kurds."

That was kind of obvious from the beginning. As these things always are lately.

#42 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine

And now the new reports of Trump pressuring Tillerson to get Giuliani's client, a Turk accused of massive money laundering for Iran, off the hook:

Trump Urged Top Aide to Help Giuliani Client Facing DOJ Charges

President Donald Trump pressed then-Secretary of State Rex Tillerson to help persuade the Justice Department to drop a criminal case against an Iranian-Turkish gold trader who was a client of Rudy Giuliani, according to three people familiar with the 2017 meeting in the Oval Office.

Tillerson refused, arguing it would constitute interference in an ongoing investigation of the trader, Reza Zarrab, according to the people. They said other participants in the Oval Office were shocked by the request.

www.bloomberg.com

#92 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-10-10 02:18 AM | Reply

After 24 hours of battle, with Turkey having the advantages of air supremacy, heavy armor, field guns, and allied Islamic militias, the Turks have managed to move less than a mile anywhere along the entire front.

Europe is mad, but not so mad they'll do something in the face of Erdogan promising to send the 3.6 million refugees on into the EU.

#93 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-10-10 07:50 AM | Reply

After 24 hours of battle,....the Turks have managed to move less than a mile anywhere along the entire front.

They have all the time in the world. No need to hurry.

This mission is also a demonstration of the new weapons Turkey is starting to produce. An advertisement.

Like the French used Libya to demo the Rafael for prospective customers.

#94 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-10-10 09:30 AM | Reply

The level of maturity displayed on threads about trump is astounding. Which is like 3/4 of the front page.

Let's broaden our horizons, this situation is more complicated and important than "trump bad".

#95 | Posted by Ottodog at 2019-10-10 10:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This mission is also a demonstration of the new weapons Turkey is starting to produce. An advertisement.

#94 | POSTED BY J_TREMAIN AT 2019-10-10 09:30 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

They're losing drones and armor very quickly to Kurds with US heavy weapons.

#96 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-10-10 10:47 AM | Reply

and they don't have all the time in the world, they are confined by logistics and political pressure just like everybody else.

#97 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-10-10 10:48 AM | Reply

They're losing drones and armor very quickly to Kurds with US heavy weapons.

If true, then it's a shame.

I was looking forward to seeing their fighting prowess.

Then again, if they encounter unexpected resistance, they can always ramp up the power. These Ottomans have never been known to back down. Shouldn't be too hard.

and they don't have all the time in the world, they are confined by logistics and political pressure just like everybody else.

I think, time-wise, they are the most comfortable compared to everyone else in that theater, except for maybe Russia.

#98 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-10-10 01:13 PM | Reply

It's a meat grinder now. Artillery vs heavily entrenched infantry. When they move in their armor get popped with AT missiles and is easy to trap in the rubble. Israeli has this same problem against Hezbollah. Turkey's answer so far is an encirclement with militias drawn from the refugee population. If those get routed in a Kurd counter-attack, the main Turkish forces still sit behind their border hull down.

#99 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-10-10 01:34 PM | Reply

They're losing drones and armor very quickly to Kurds with US heavy weapons.

#96 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG AT 2019-10-10 10:47 AM | REPLY

Citation? I can't find any evidence that Turkey has lost even 1 weapon in the new offensive

#100 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-10-10 02:41 PM | Reply

SDF/YPG twitter feeds. I don't think that drone claim will pan out, evidence is light so far.

#101 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-10-10 03:06 PM | Reply

Not sure if anyone is using this, or even gives a ----, but I used it when I was over in the desert. It's decent, especially if you don't have a cadre of intel analysts at your disposal. And even if you do, much of what they report is coming from open sources, like this one.

syria.liveuamap.com

#102 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-10-10 04:22 PM | Reply

It looks like the Russian government is beginning to engage in talks with the Kurds.

Maybe they'll find an ally who won't abandon them.

#103 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-10-10 04:30 PM | Reply

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