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Wednesday, October 09, 2019

The Justice Department is expanding its investigation into the origins of the 2016 Trump campaign probe as well as the timeline. One of the investigations into the genesis of the Russia probe is expected to be released later this month and sources say that its findings will be detailed: DOJ IG Michael Horowitz has been looking into whether there were abuses of the FISA system to begin surveillance of Trump campaign officials that ultimately led to the Mueller investigation.

United States Attorney John Durham is broadening the scope of his investigation into the origins of the counterintelligence investigation into Russia and the Trump campaign, and due to the investigation's findings, has widened the timeline of the investigation past election day and into the spring of 2017 when Robert Mueller was appointed special counsel. No word on when Durham's investigation will be completed.

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The expansion of the timeline in Durham's investigation to post election activities is nothing but bad news for people like Strzok, Comey and McCabe, so it will be interesting to see what Durham's findings are when his report is released.

#1 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-10-09 01:03 PM | Reply

I read an article earlier today with a similar title that linked to this article: Democrats' Fear of Durham About to Reach Panic Level

pjmedia.com

Which in turn linked to this article, which cites as sources "administration officials":

Durham investigation into origins of 2016 Trump campaign surveillance expands its scope

pjmedia.com

So far the DOJ itself has not confirmed:

American Oversight @weareoversight

What is US attorney John Durham actually investigating? We still don't know. DOJ just told us it has no records of any formal order from the AG to Durham outlining his inquiry. We're still asking for any informal guidance or directives given to Durham.

No Records Response from DOJ Regarding Orders Directing Attorney Durham to Review the Origins of the Russia Investigation

The Department of Justice's Office of Information Policy stated that it had no records relating to American Oversight's request for the Attorney General's order directing U.S. Attorney John Durham to investigate sensitive issues related to investigations of the president and the 2016 Trump campaign.

www.americanoversight.org

#2 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10-09 01:12 PM | Reply

The expansion of the timeline in Durham's investigation to post election activities is nothing but bad news for people like Strzok, Comey and McCabe, so it will be interesting to see what Durham's findings are when his report is released.

You're delusional. See Mueller report and US Senate Intelligence Committee report as evidence.

How can it ever be illegal to investigate now-proven criminal acts based on then-evidence linked to their actual occurrence?

#3 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-10-09 01:20 PM | Reply

#3

Name call all you want, two investigations into the investigators are on-going and are creating a not so mild panic in parts of the Beltway.

Let's see what their findings are before prejudging their outcome, shall we?

#4 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-10-09 01:25 PM | Reply

"Name call all you want, two investigations into the investigators are on-going and are creating a not so mild panic in parts of the Beltway."

Weren't there originally 3--IG, Huber, Durhman? What happened to the first 2? IG going to cover some stuff (FISA warrants) in upcoming report. Huber? Well, according to Barr, he's just supporting Horowitz in case a criminal refer is necessary:

William Barr dishes on what Huber, Horowitz, and Durham are investigating

www.washingtonexaminer.com

The IG's report is done, so I'm thinking there is only 1 ongoing investigation?

#5 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10-09 01:34 PM | Reply

creating a not so mild panic in parts of the Beltway.

Only in the gullets of GOP fools willing to swallow almost anything in service of Trump's white unicorn, discredited by his own officials and government.

#6 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-10-09 01:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Huber's long-running inquiry has long been shrouded in mystery, but Barr revealed Horowitz and Durham have taken over most of his responsibilities.

Barr said "Huber had originally been asked to take a look at the FISA applications and the electronic surveillance" but that he then "stood back and put that on hold while the Office of Inspector General was conducting its review."

Barr said Huber "was essentially on standby" in the event that Horowitz "referred a matter to him to be handled criminally." That apparently has not been necessary, as Barr said "he has not been active on this front in recent months." Barr said Durham would now be taking over Huber's role in handling any criminal referrals from Horowitz and Huber's involvement with Trump-Russia matters was done.

Sessions had also asked Huber in 2017 to look into issues related to the sale of Uranium One and allegations that former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton had been improperly involved in the process, as well as broader claims of corruption at the Clinton Foundation. Barr seemed to suggest that what evidence Huber found, if any, may soon be revealed.

"The other issues [Huber has] been working on relate to Hillary Clinton" are "winding down and hopefully we'll be in a position to bring those to fruition," Barr said.

#7 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10-09 01:38 PM | Reply

And I didn't call you any name. I said that your perspective is delusional. We are talking about a topic, right?

#8 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-10-09 01:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

two investigations into the investigators are on-going and are creating a not so mild panic in parts of the Beltway.
Let's see what their findings are before prejudging their outcome, shall we?

#4 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

That's what I've been saying. I said it about the Mueller report as well when some were screaming, "Collusion! Collusion! Collusion!" Yet, when the dust settled and tremendous resources had been poured in Mueller found no evidence of criminal conspiracy and in spite of that, some still cling to the narrative.

As for the Durham probe....for me the real test is the Horowitz IG report, as it pertains to the timing of this whole Ukraine thing because I believe some beltway insiders know what's in that IG report. So, if the report concludes the Carter Page FISA warrants are legit, this Ukraine thing is part of a Blitzkreig toward impeachment. If those warrants were illegally obtained, then this is the Dems trying to create a big smokescreen and create so much of a news cycle over this that the Horowitz report gets downplayed.

#9 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-10-09 02:23 PM | Reply

#8 Tony you were definitely name-calling. You always call people names.

#10 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-10-09 02:23 PM | Reply

For example, you always call me 'Jeff'.

#11 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-10-09 02:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I'd like more info on the nature of Durham's "review":

Natasha Bertrand @NatashaBertrand

It's unclear whether Durham is looking at the intel agencies with an eye to recommending criminal charges. Unlike in 2008, Durham's not been appointed to lead a criminal investigation, and DOJ has formally described the inquiry as only as a "review."
11:41 AM - 19 Jun 2019
twitter.com

Natasha Bertrand @NatashaBertrand

SCOOP: Do-over? Barr wants Durham to question CIA analysts about their finding that Putin interfered to help Trump. But that q has been asked"by a Trump loyalist. Mike Pompeo grilled the analysts in his own review & found nothing wrong with their analysis.
twitter.com

#12 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10-09 02:35 PM | Reply

I am noticing a VERY concerted effort to preemptively discredit the Barr/Durham investigation.

#13 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-10-09 02:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Then there's this report from a few days ago:

Justice Department hasn't interviewed key Russia probe witnesses

But in the five months since Attorney General Bill Barr tapped Durham to investigate the origins of the Russia probe, and whether any inappropriate "spying" occurred on members of the Trump campaign, he has not requested interviews with any of the FBI or DOJ employees who were directly involved in, or knew about, the opening of the Russia investigation in 2016, according to people familiar with the matter.

The omission raises questions about what, exactly, Durham--alongside Attorney General Bill Barr--has been investigating.

Those not contacted include former FBI counterintelligence agent Peter Strzok; former FBI general counsel Jim Baker; former chief of the National Security Division's Counterintelligence and Export Control Section David Laufman; and former head of DOJ's National Security Division Mary McCord. Former CIA Director John Brennan, Trump-Russia dossier author Christopher Steele, and former Trump adviser Carter Page--who was the subject of a surveillance warrant that is now under investigation by the inspector general--haven't been contacted for interviews, either.


www.politico.com

#14 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10-09 02:46 PM | Reply

Jeff, Dems won't accept as legit anything Trump-related Barr is personally overseeing. Period. He should have turned the investigation totally over to Durhman if he wanted it to have legitimacy.

#15 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10-09 02:48 PM | Reply

"I am noticing a VERY concerted effort to preemptively discredit the Barr/Durham investigation."

Dems don't trust Barr from way back. His recent behavior has done nothing but make Dems distrust him even more. Sorry if you didn't realize that. Now you do.

#16 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10-09 02:50 PM | Reply

"As for the Durham probe....for me the real test is the Horowitz IG report,"

Which means, e.g., that Dems will want to know what the IG report says, not what Barr claims it says.

#17 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10-09 02:56 PM | Reply

Ditto with what Huber found with regard to Uranium One.

#18 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10-09 02:56 PM | Reply

"As for the Durham probe....for me the real test is the Horowitz IG report,"
Which means, e.g., that Dems will want to know what the IG report says, not what Barr claims it says.

#17 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Word is the report was finished a couple of weeks ago and has been submitted for redactions. This would suggest that Barr has already seen it.

Keep in mind with the Mueller report - Public interest was SO high that Barr pretty much had to do what he did. He asked for the report to be submitted with the redactions in place, and Mueller didn't do that. With each passing day the left was screaming, "Cover up!!!" But then Barr got the report out within the promised time-frame.

Interest in this IG report is FAR lower so no need to do any kind of preliminary summary prior to the full report being released to the public.

#19 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-10-09 03:50 PM | Reply

"The Justice Department is expanding its investigation"..
Like maybe Durham found some there, there.

#20 | Posted by homerj at 2019-10-09 03:55 PM | Reply

Mueller found no evidence of criminal conspiracy and in spite of that, some still cling to the narrative.

Not all of us are so myopic and easily fooled.

But this discussion has been had a gazzillion times to no avail so WTF is the point...

#21 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-09 04:29 PM | Reply

If those warrants were illegally obtained, then this is the Dems trying to create a big smokescreen and create so much of a news cycle over this that the Horowitz report gets downplayed.

#9 | Posted by JeffJ

Sooo...the whistleblower was a dem sleeper cell who was activated at a precise moment to control the news cycle?

#22 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-09 04:31 PM | Reply

Like maybe Durham found some there, there.

#20 | Posted by homerj

Or he's found nothing, Barr told him he had to find something, so they're expanding the expedition to find anything.

#23 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-09 04:41 PM | Reply

A source in the Italian Ministry of Justice, speaking on the condition of anonymity, told The Daily Beast that Barr and Durham were played the tape. A second source within the Italian government also confirmed to The Daily Beast that Barr and Durham were shown other evidence the Italians had on Mifsud.

#24 | Posted by homerj at 2019-10-09 05:19 PM | Reply

Sooo...the whistleblower was a dem sleeper cell who was activated at a precise moment to control the news cycle?

#22 | POSTED BY JPW

In my hypothetical, possibly.

In reality I think it's highly unlikely.

#25 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-10-09 06:04 PM | Reply

The whistleblower's attorney has issued a statement (no link yet) saying that his client has never worked with or been associated with any political candidate. Ever. The person wishes to remain in their position within the government and does not want their identity revealed whatsoever, which is precisely why they chose the legal anonymous whistleblower porthole in the first place.

A wise guess as to the IG's notation indicating partisan contact is that the whistleblower may have had working experiences with someone who's currently a political candidate (such as Joe Biden) as a matter of their official duties, per NBC News.

#26 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-10-09 06:18 PM | Reply

Or party.

#27 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-10-09 06:18 PM | Reply

"A source in the Italian Ministry of Justice, speaking on the condition of anonymity, told The Daily Beast that Barr and Durham were played the tape. A second source within the Italian government also confirmed to The Daily Beast that Barr and Durham were shown other evidence the Italians had on Mifsud.
#24 | POSTED BY HOMERJ "

This is a HUGE deal. Basically, for the "Mueller" Report allegations to hold up to scrutiny, Mifsud needs to be shown to be a Russian agent. This is becoming increasingly hard to do given all of his ties to Western Intelligence - US and Italian. Thus, the "Mueller" claims regarding Papadopolous getting information on the hacked emails from "Russians" falls solely on the belief that Mifsud is, indeed, a Russian agent. If, on the other hand, it is proven that Mifsud is Western Intelligence, then it becomes impossible to deny that there was an intelligence operation to set up Papadopolous. This included luring him overseas by Halper (a known CIA asset/agent), feeding him false information by another intelligence asset (US or Italian), and then using the compromised Australian diplomat to repeat the story back to Western Intelligence. This is especially troublesome as the CIA/FBI would KNOW FOR CERTAIN that the information provided by Papadopolous about the emails (assuming he even said that to Downer) is a lie as they are the ones that planted the story from the beginning. So, to take further actions using the predicate that they have confirmation of Trump coordination with Russian hackers to obtain FISA warrants OR ANY SURVEILLANCE is improper/illegal.

The sad thing is that had Trump lost, all this would have been swept under the rug - Papadopolous would probably be sitting in a prison cell somewhere and the same Deep State actors would probably be calling the shots. Thus, this impeachment is exactly what was needed to happen to actually call attention to this story. If Trump had retained Sessions, there is a possibility that he would not have been able to follow the obvious trail of bread crumbs - but Barr scares the ---- out of them because he is HIGHLY COMPETENT. Horowitz may or may not deliver the goods - if he is not investigating the details behind Papadopolous, he may not see the problems behind the surveillance - also, he will ALWAYS seek to protect the reputation of the FBI. However, he has already referred both McCabe and Comey for criminal prosecution so that is a pretty unprecedented step already.

Lastly, we may or may not have some advanced knowledge of what is in the Horowitz report. Per Joe Digenova, the report is a bombshell and he claims his sources have confirmed the finding that all 3 FISA warrants against Carter Page was improperly obtained - we will have to see if that meets criminal illegality. However, Dems wishful thinking that this is going away or will turn up nothing are just that - wishful thinking. If Durham is adding staff and expanding the probe, it means Italy was already fruitful. Maybe Zed's highly polished handcuffs can finally be used.

#28 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-10-09 09:16 PM | Reply

"This included luring him overseas by Halper (a known CIA asset/agent), feeding him false information by another intelligence asset (US or Italian), and then using the compromised Australian diplomat to repeat the story back to Western Intelligence. This is especially troublesome as the CIA/FBI would KNOW FOR CERTAIN that the information provided by Papadopolous about the emails (assuming he even said that to Downer) is a lie as they are the ones that planted the story from the beginning."

It seems unlikely that Halper would have been interested in helping Clinton and the DNC, or that they would have welcomed help from him:

Stefan Halper is an old-school American right-winger who worked for Alexander Haig, Donald Rumsfeld, and Dick Cheney during the Nixon and Ford administrations before working on George H.W. Bush's 1980 primary campaign and then eventually for the Reagan-Bush campaign effort. He served in a senior role in the Reagan State Department and there are some suggestions that via his role as a founder of the Palmer National Bank he played a role in the Iran-Contra scandal.

Ditto Downer:

Alexander Downer became executive director of the Australian Chamber of Commerce way back in 1983, a member of parliament for the Australian Liberal Party (which is the country's main conservative party) in 1984, served briefly as leader of the Liberal Party in opposition in the mid-1990s, became foreign minister in John Howard's long-tenured right-wing coalition government from 1996-2007, left politics after Howard's electoral defeat, but returned to government as high commissioner to the United Kingdom under Tony Abbott's government in 2014. He is, in other words, a distinguished albeit somewhat-past-his-prime member of the right side of the Australian political establishment.

Both quotes from:

William Barr's 4-country effort to discredit the Trump-Russia inquiry, explained
The conspiracy theories linking Italy, Australia, the UK, and Ukraine.

www.vox.com

#29 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10-09 09:52 PM | Reply

"This is a HUGE deal. Basically, for the "Mueller" Report allegations to hold up to scrutiny, Mifsud needs to be shown to be a Russian agent. This is becoming increasingly hard to do given all of his ties to Western Intelligence - US and Italian. Thus, the "Mueller" claims regarding Papadopolous getting information on the hacked emails from "Russians" falls solely on the belief that Mifsud is, indeed, a Russian agent. If, on the other hand, it is proven that Mifsud is Western Intelligence, then it becomes impossible to deny that there was an intelligence operation to set up Papadopolous. This included luring him overseas by Halper (a known CIA asset/agent), feeding him false information by another intelligence asset (US or Italian), and then using the compromised Australian diplomat to repeat the story back to Western Intelligence."

Also from te Vox article:

Not only does it make very little sense to suggest that a veteran conservative politician from Australia would be acting as Clinton's catspaw in this venture, it's not even clear what role Downer would have played in the posited conspiracy. After all, if Mifsud was working to entrap Papadopoulos on behalf of John Brennan the whole time, then Mifsud himself could have just reported the successful sting back to the FBI without the need for an Australian cut-out.

Although of course perhaps that simply goes to show how clever the plan is.

#30 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10-09 09:58 PM | Reply

"It seems unlikely that Halper would have been interested in helping Clinton and the DNC, or that they would have welcomed help from him:
Stefan Halper is an old-school American right-winger who worked for Alexander Haig, Donald Rumsfeld, and Dick Cheney"

Actually, it makes perfect sense when you realize that Trump was targeting the Deep State, Clintons, and the Bush Legacy which includes all of these warmongering idiots. He said that they lied us into a war in Iraq on a national debate stage. Given the Bush and Clinton connections and Hillary's embrace of the MIC, I have ZERO doubt that they supported Hillary over Trump up until they realized that she would lose.

"Ditto Downer:
Alexander Downer became executive director of the Australian Chamber of Commerce way back in 1983"

Downer was involved in a $36M scheme with the Clinton Foundation on a no-bid contract that has been since criticized for lack of spending oversight. Come up with a person without prior business dealing with the Clinton Foundation.

#31 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-10-09 10:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"After all, if Mifsud was working to entrap Papadopoulos on behalf of John Brennan the whole time, then Mifsud himself could have just reported the successful sting back to the FBI without the need for an Australian cut-out.
#30 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY"

So, you suggest that Mifsud should have both

1.) Made up the lie about the Russian emails, AND
2.) Reported that Papadopolous had knowledge of the emails because Mifsud, himself, told him about it?

Sorry, that does not make any sense. They needed another person to alert them and try to minimize the role of Mifsud in telling the initial story - preferably a person that would drag in "Five Eyes" (FVEY) making Downer perfect given he already was owned by the Clinton Foundation. Like I said, the more scrutiny applied to Mifsud, the less likely this goes anywhere for the hoax. So, a big part is getting exactly what Downer told to US intelligence - did he mention Mifsud at all.

#32 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-10-09 10:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The whistleblower's attorney has issued a statement (no link yet) saying that his client has never worked with or been associated with any political candidate.
#26 | Posted by tonyroma

Here ya go, Tony:

Statement Concerning Alleged "Bias"

In light of the ongoing efforts to mischaracterize whistleblower #1's alleged "bias" in order to detract from the substance of the complaint, we will attempt to clarify some facts.

First, our client has never worked for or advised a political candidate, campaign, or party.

Second, our client has spent their entire government career in apolitical, civil servant positions in the Executive Branch.

Third, in these positions our client has come into contact with presidential candidates from both parties in their roles as elected officials--not as candidates.

Fourth, the whistleblower voluntarily provided relevant career information to the ICIG in order to facilitate an assessment of the credibility of the complaint.

Fifth, as a result, the ICIG concluded--as is well known--that the complaint was both urgent and credible.

Finally, the whistleblower is not the story.

To date, virtually every substantive allegation has been confirmed by other sources. For that reason the identity of the whistleblower is irrelevant.


compassrosepllc.com

#33 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10-09 10:31 PM | Reply

#33 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Gal, unless you really want to claim that either:

1.) The DOJ did not elevate the claim in a manner that can be considered a crime, or
2.) The transcript provided by the WH is not accurate so further incriminating information is still undisclosed

The whistleblower is no longer a factor in anything - WE HAVE THE TRANSCRIPT. So, their importance - or that of WB#2 (likely the source of the claim for WB#1) is basically moot because the transcript has been released.

As to why there may be interest in the WBs - though not from the perspective of investigating if the phone call constitutes an impeachable offense - would be if what they did was done for political motivations. The IG has confirmed a "Professional Relationship" with a Dem candidate - this could mean a Warren supporter setting up Biden for all we know. For me, it is not really important other than to highlight the fact that there is way too much leaking occurring and intelligence service interference in the running of the country. Because, again, we have the transcript so the WB is a moot point.

#34 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-10-09 10:43 PM | Reply

the AG has violated his oath, he is truly delusional...RoC a distant second.
so ... what comes are just more smoke. won't work.

#35 | Posted by ichiro at 2019-10-09 10:50 PM | Reply

"It seems unlikely that Halper would have been interested in helping Clinton and the DNC, or that they would have welcomed help from him:
Stefan Halper is an old-school American right-winger who worked for Alexander Haig, Donald Rumsfeld, and Dick Cheney"

Actually, it makes perfect sense when you realize that Trump was targeting the Deep State, Clintons, and the Bush Legacy which includes all of these warmongering idiots. He said that they lied us into a war in Iraq on a national debate stage. Given the Bush and Clinton connections and Hillary's embrace of the MIC, I have ZERO doubt that they supported Hillary over Trump up until they realized that she would lose.
#31 | Posted by iragoldberg

No, it does not make perfect sense if you read the Vox article:

"In 2007, he [Halper] coauthored The Silence of the Rational Center: Why American Foreign Policy is Failing with Jonathan Clarke. The book is essentially a critique of Bush-era "neoconservative" grandiosity written from the perspective of realpolitik and conservative nationalism. Broadly speaking, the same kind of criticisms that Trump leveled against Bush-era foreign policy and that have been the subject of some tensions between him and his own national security team. White House trade director recommended Halper for an ambassadorship early in the Trump administration. "

#36 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10-09 10:54 PM | Reply

Furthermore, with regard to Halper, emphasis mine:

Seemingly as part of the FBI's investigation into Papadopoulos's claims to be working with the Russian government, Halper reached out to Papadopoulos in England and also to Carter Page who had made some similar claims. Trump and his allies in the media turned this around into the idea that the FBI had just gone and embedded a spy in Trump's campaign-- the original meaning of--spygate" before the conspiracy metastasized.

Former House Oversight Chair Trey Gowdy, former Speaker Paul Ryan, and Senate Intelligence Chair Richard Burr have all confirmed that there was nothing improper about the FBI's handling of the situation, seeing the outreach through Halper as a light-touch means of looking into curious claims by Trump staffers without spying on the campaign. But former House Intelligence Committee Chair Devin Nunes has been insistent that these events constituted malfeasance, and Papadopoulos linked them up with his larger Mifsud/Downer conspiracy theory.

This is what he cites as evidence: A conservative foreign policy expert living in Britain once attended some kind of event that Australia's conservative foreign minister also was at.

One possible explanation is that members of the right-of-center Anglophone foreign policy community have personal and professionals links to one another due to their shared interests. The other is that the two men were covertly part of a vast left-wing conspiracy to bring down the Trump administration--a conspiracy that for some reason forgot to reveal any of its evidence to the public before Election Day.

#37 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10-09 10:57 PM | Reply

"Downer was involved in a $36M scheme with the Clinton Foundation on a no-bid contract that has been since criticized for lack of spending oversight."

Link?

#38 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10-09 11:02 PM | Reply

The IG has confirmed a "Professional Relationship" with a Dem candidate - this could mean a Warren supporter setting up Biden for all we know.

Not if the WB's lawyer is telling the truth:

First, our client has never worked for or advised a political candidate, campaign, or party.

Second, our client has spent their entire government career in apolitical, civil servant positions in the Executive Branch.

Third, in these positions our client has come into contact with presidential candidates from both parties in their roles as elected officials--not as candidates.

#39 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10-09 11:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#36 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Gal - we know for a FACT that Halper is a CIA/FBI asset. We know for a FACT that he invited over Papadopolous - a loose clinger-on to the campaign, at most - to lure him out of the country. We know for a FACT that they tried to 'honeypot' Papadopolous while in London. What we don't know is who was truly behind it and why - however - as the Intelligence Services fall under Obama, ultimately it his responsibility and we know the incompetents he hired to head up the Intelligence - Brennan an Clapper - were highly partisan liars. So, were they acting on Obama's behalf or on his orders? We don't know - but we do know FOR A FACT that US Intelligence was behind the Papadopolous story given the Halper link. How deep it goes is the only question.

The big reveal though is the link to Mifsud - if it turns out that the intelligence community itself was the source for the information that Downer claims Papadopolous passed on - then a lot of people are going to wind up in jail. We both know that. So, if you want to focus on spinning, your time is better served trying to separate Mifsud from Western Intelligence. Good luck with that. The Deep State has been trying for 2+ years - unfortunately for them, the internet exists and continues to host pictures, etc which completely destroy their narrative.

#40 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-10-09 11:07 PM | Reply

"The transcript provided by the WH is not accurate so further incriminating information is still undisclosed"

I think there has been some evidence that it is incomplete. For example, on the "transcript" itself.

#41 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10-09 11:09 PM | Reply

"Gal - we know for a FACT that Halper is a CIA/FBI asset."

Yes, that's what this means, but notice who says there was nothing wrong with Halper's actions:

Seemingly as part of the FBI's investigation into Papadopoulos's claims to be working with the Russian government, Halper reached out to Papadopoulos in England and also to Carter Page who had made some similar claims. Trump and his allies in the media turned this around into the idea that the FBI had just gone and embedded a spy in Trump's campaign-- the original meaning of--spygate" before the conspiracy metastasized.

Former House Oversight Chair Trey Gowdy, former Speaker Paul Ryan, and Senate Intelligence Chair Richard Burr have all confirmed that there was nothing improper about the FBI's handling of the situation, seeing the outreach through Halper as a light-touch means of looking into curious claims by Trump staffers without spying on the campaign. But former House Intelligence Committee Chair Devin Nunes has been insistent that these events constituted malfeasance, and Papadopoulos linked them up with his larger Mifsud/Downer conspiracy theory.

#42 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10-09 11:11 PM | Reply

"Not if the WB's lawyer is telling the truth:
#39 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY"

That is a Big IF given what has come to light thus far. I think we will soon find that the lawyer drafted the complaint for him using a committee approach. I think you are going to be disappointed again - the big question is which is the dirty Dem candidate - I am betting it was someone working with Kamala back when she was delusional enough to think she had a shot. She was the first on the attack Biden train.

www.cbsnews.com

"The person said the intelligence community inspector general, Michael Atkinson, told Congress the whistleblower's political affiliation, but would not disclose to lawmakers which 2020 candidate the whistleblower was connected to, out of fear that doing so might expose the whistleblower's identity.

The nature of the "prior working relationship" remains unclear, but the whistleblower's attorneys issued a statement clarifying their client's background Wednesday afternoon."

#43 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-10-09 11:15 PM | Reply

Too bad Trump and Company didn't just go to the FBI with all their Russian contacts after the FBI warned them. All of this could have been avoided, but, oh no, Dirty, Putin-Lovin' Donnie couldn't do the right thing even once in his self-aggrandizing, con artist life.

#44 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10-09 11:17 PM | Reply

""Gal - we know for a FACT that Halper is a CIA/FBI asset."
Yes, that's what this means, but notice who says there was nothing wrong with Halper's actions:"

Yes, a bunch of untrustworthy --------. I trust Gowdy as far as I can throw him. Trump should flush that turd because it will only come back to hurt him.

Again - the Halper angles proves that the CIA/FBI was targeting Papadopolous - the Mifsud allegations (if true) proves they acted illegally.

#45 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-10-09 11:19 PM | Reply

"Too bad Trump and Company didn't just go to the FBI with all their Russian contacts after the FBI warned them.
#44 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY"

The FBI is a bunch of dirty cops at the top being led by the leaker/liar/criminal James Comey. I wouldn't tell them ---- either.

#46 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-10-09 11:21 PM | Reply

"Again - the Halper angles proves that the CIA/FBI was targeting Papadopolous"

Legally, prudently, and with "a light touch". Stephen Roh, Mifsud's lawyer, who claims his client was never a Russian agent but worked with Western Intelligence, also claims that PapaD was a western intelligence operative himself. PapaD, of course, denies that claim.

#47 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10-09 11:30 PM | Reply

The IG has confirmed a "Professional Relationship" with a Dem candidate - this could mean a Warren supporter setting up Biden for all we know.
Not if the WB's lawyer is telling the truth:

Gal that is comedy GOLD right there .....

#48 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-10-09 11:34 PM | Reply

"The FBI is a bunch of dirty cops at the top being led by the leaker/liar/criminal James Comey. I wouldn't tell them ---- either."

Oh, but Trump thought Comey was dirty in a good way back then. Meaning that Comey on his side. That's why he let Comey stay on for the first months of his presidency. He thought he had Comey's loyalty.

#49 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10-09 11:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Stephen Roh, Mifsud's lawyer, who claims his client was never a Russian agent but worked with Western Intelligence
#47 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY "

I believe him - now square that with the fact that Comey has declared Mifsud a Russian agent via contacts with the Russian Internet Research Agency (IRA). Explain why Western Intelligence continued to work with this double-agent and even gave him a teaching position at Link University - which is a training ground for Western Intelligence.

Again - you need to prove that Mifsud is a Russian agent or could credibly be believed to be a Russian agent of the entire story falls apart on the illegal surveillance. Now, if you want to argue that the FBI and CIA are just stupid and unknowingly allowed this Russian agent to operate under their noses for years - including a banquet hosted by the US State Department in 2017 at the US Capitol - that is a legit argument. I tend to agree that our intelligence services are incompetent.

#50 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-10-09 11:37 PM | Reply

"That's why he let Comey stay on for the first months of his presidency. He thought he had Comey's loyalty.
#49 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY"

Probably because if he fired him immediately, you would have claimed obstruction of justice because that was the plan from the jump. No matter what Trump does or does not do - claim obstruction of justice.

#51 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-10-09 11:39 PM | Reply

"I believe him"

Of course you believe what he says about Mifsud but not PapaD. Just where did Trump get PapaD's name anyway. Page, too, for that matter.

#52 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10-09 11:44 PM | Reply

Mifsud, PapaD, Page--they may all be spies, double agents, witting or unwitting assets--who knows?

#53 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10-09 11:47 PM | Reply

"Of course you believe what he says about Mifsud but not PapaD. Just where did Trump get PapaD's name anyway. Page, too, for that matter.
#52 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY "

I believe him with his statement regarding Mifsud because he is working with Mifsud - he has never met Papadopolous. As to how he go their names - Papadopolous was with Ben Carson's campaign. You may not remember this - but prior to winning the presidential election, Trump WAS NOT A POLITICIAN. So, he did not have a readily assembled staff around him of career Washington types. As a such, he campaign took inbound interest in positions - especially ones that were unpaid like Papadopolous - and quickly ramped up a staff. I think Papadopolous was way over his head but someone talked his way into a job - good for him. He is doing something right as his wife is smoking hot.

#54 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-10-09 11:49 PM | Reply

"Mifsud, PapaD, Page--they may all be spies, double agents, witting or unwitting assets--who knows?
#53 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY"

All that matter is that US Intelligence can prove that Mifsud is a Russian agent - if they can't, game over. I think with Barr looking into it and now expanding the investigation, they found the intelligence explanation as lacking credibility.

#55 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-10-09 11:50 PM | Reply

"He is doing something right as his wife is smoking hot."

Assuming she isn't a honeypot sent by someone to watch over him.

#56 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10-10 12:05 AM | Reply

"I believe him with his statement regarding Mifsud because he is working with Mifsud - he has never met Papadopolous."

Yes, but Mifsud did. I assume it was Mifsud who told his lawyer PapaD worked for western intelligence. Israel?

#57 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10-10 12:08 AM | Reply

"Yes, but Mifsud did. I assume it was Mifsud who told his lawyer PapaD worked for western intelligence. Israel?
#57 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY"

That is an assumption - I don't know if it is correct or not. However, I am fairly certain that Barr will uncover that Mifsud did work with Western intelligence and is NOT a Russian agent - and then the whole story falls apart.

#58 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-10-10 12:10 AM | Reply

"Assuming she isn't a honeypot sent by someone to watch over him.
#56 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY"

I would be happy to fall into that honeypot repeatedly.

#59 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-10-10 12:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

NW?:

Assuming she isn't a honeypot sent by someone to watch over him.
#56 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY"

I would be happy to fall into that honeypot repeatedly.
Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-10-10 12:11 AM | Reply | Flagged newsworthy by AndreaMackris

#60 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10-10 12:34 AM | Reply

#60 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

You looked it up .... loser ....

Why wouldn't a guy wanna "fall into that honeypot" ?

jelly?

#61 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-10-10 12:40 AM | Reply

Why wouldn't a guy wanna "fall into that honeypot" ?

Exactly, so why is that NW?

#62 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10-10 12:53 AM | Reply

"Exactly, so why is that NW?
#62 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY"

Sorry, we forgot that Liberals are not allowed the acknowledge the beauty that is the female form. Better rush back to your garb of freedom, the burqa.

#63 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-10-10 01:02 AM | Reply

Let's see what their findings are before prejudging their outcome, shall we?

#4 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Like everything else coming out of Trumps time in office.... it will be a sad joke

#64 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2019-10-10 08:53 AM | Reply

Can we quit calling this person a whistle-blower, please?

Real whistle-blowers are alone and get destroyed.

How about an informant?

#65 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-10-10 09:51 AM | Reply

You and the GOP would love to move the person out of the accurate whistle-blower category so all the protections would be gone.

#66 | Posted by YAV at 2019-10-10 09:58 AM | Reply

#66 That's not at all what I am saying.

I absolutely think this person should be treated as a whistle-blower and afforded all of the protections that come with it.

#67 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-10-10 10:02 AM | Reply

#67 - Whew. Glad we cleared that up.

#68 | Posted by YAV at 2019-10-10 10:07 AM | Reply

Yav,

This is what is influencing me on this:

It's an insult to real whistleblowers to use the term with the Ukrainegate protagonist

Americans who've blown the whistle over serious offenses by the federal government either spend the rest of their lives overseas, like Edward Snowden, end up in jail, like Chelsea Manning, get arrested and ruined financially, like former NSA official Thomas Drake, have their homes raided by FBI like disabled NSA vet William Binney, or get charged with espionage like ex-CIA exposer-of-torture John Kiriakou. It's an insult to all of these people, and the suffering they've weathered, to frame the ballcarrier in the Beltway's latest partisan power contest as a whistleblower. [snip]

The common thread in whistleblower stories is loneliness. Typically the employer has direct control over their ability to pursue another job in their profession. Many end up reviled as traitors, thieves, and liars. They often discover after going public that their loved ones have a limited appetite for sharing the ignominy. In virtually all cases, they end up having to start over, both personally and professionally.

With that in mind, let's look at what we know about the first "whistleblower" in Ukrainegate:

He or she is a "CIA officer detailed to the White House";
The account is at best partially based upon the CIA officer's own experience, made up substantially by information from "more than a half dozen U.S. officials" and the "private accounts" of "my colleagues";
"He or she" was instantly celebrated as a whistleblower by news networks and major newspapers.
That last detail caught the eye of Kiriakou, a former CIA Counterterrorism official who blew the whistle on the agency's torture program.

"It took me and my lawyers a full year to get [the media] to stop calling me CIA Leaker John Kirakou," he says. "That's how long it took for me to be called a whistleblower."


www.rollingstone.com

#69 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-10-10 10:08 AM | Reply

The problem is that not all of those listed were whistleblowers. Whistleblowers go through the correct process, as the IG report person did. Snowden, Manning, and those others? Lol no. Those are leakers and traitors to national security.

#70 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-10-10 10:31 AM | Reply

Real whistle-blowers are alone and get destroyed.
How about an informant?
#65 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

They are a whistle blower. Anything less than the title of whistleblower would be demeaning to their "cause," and dangerous to them as an individual.

#71 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-10-10 10:33 AM | Reply

#71 | POSTED BY GONOLES92

CIA Operative dropping the dime on the white house != whistleblower

CIA Operative dropping the dime on the CIA == whistleblower

#72 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-10-10 11:01 AM | Reply

United States Attorney John Durham is broadening the scope of his investigation into the origins of the counterintelligence investigation into Russia and the Trump campaign, and due to the investigation's findings, has widened the timeline

This is where the Trumpologists who cried over Mueller expanding the scope of his investigation will get out their pompoms to cheer this expansion on.

What is US attorney John Durham actually investigating?

According to dear leader the "oranges" or the "oringes" of the Mueller investigation.

#73 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-10-10 05:12 PM | Reply

Too bad Trump and Company didn't just go to the FBI with all their Russian contacts after the FBI warned them. All of this could have been avoided, but, oh no, Dirty, Putin-Lovin' Donnie couldn't do the right thing even once in his self-aggrandizing, con artist life.

#44 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10-09 11:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

Well if they did, they would not have had GRU and Putins help in winning.

We haven't been told what is fully in the Mueller report, but it is clear that Conjob Don was obstructing justice and lying to Mueller. His lawyers knew that if he testified he would have perjured himself. He is unfit for office.

#74 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-10-10 05:18 PM | Reply

"Yes, but Mifsud did. I assume it was Mifsud who told his lawyer PapaD worked for western intelligence. Israel?"

Here's why some thought PapaD might be western intelligence himself. According to this report, it was Israeli diplomats who hooked him up with Downer, emphasis mine:

Meanwhile, other Israeli diplomats tried to develop less official connections to a possible Trump Administration. One of these was through George Papadopoulos, a young energy consultant based in London, who had met Israeli diplomats at a conference about oil and gas operations in the eastern Mediterranean. When, in March, 2016, Papadopoulos joined the Trump campaign as a foreign-policy adviser, he shared the news with his Israeli contacts. One of the Israeli diplomats met with Papadopoulos and discussed Trump's foreign-policy priorities, which he passed on to his colleagues in Jerusalem. The Israeli diplomat helped Papadopoulos contact an official at the Australian Embassy, who set up a meeting over drinks between Papadopoulos and Alexander Downer, Australia's High Commissioner to the United Kingdom. Papadopoulos told Downer that he had heard that Moscow had "dirt" on Clinton, in the form of thousands of e-mails. F.B.I. agents later found out about Downer's conversation with Papadopoulos, which became part of the F.B.I.'s early rationale for launching an investigation into whether Trump or his associates conspired with Moscow during the 2016 campaign.

American officials soon learned of the activity between Israel and the Trump team. Other governments took a Clinton victory as a foregone conclusion, but a former U.S. official told me, "The Israelis didn't take that opinion at all. They were working the Trump people with great energy before anybody else was engaged with them."


www.newyorker.com

#75 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10-10 09:38 PM | Reply

CIA Operative dropping the dime on the CIA == whistleblower

#72 | POSTED BY IRAGOLDBERG

Good point.

#76 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-10-10 10:00 PM | Reply

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