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Wednesday, October 09, 2019

President Trump on Wednesday addressed his decision to withdraw American troops from northern Syria, abandoning our Kurdish allies - who have done a majority of the fighting against ISIS - before an impending attack by Turkey.

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But they helped us in Iraq and Bush Sr. abandoned them.

#1 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-09 05:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Good Grief

This is your brain on today's "conservatism"

#2 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-10-09 05:31 PM | Reply

But they helped us in Iraq and Bush Sr. abandoned them.

#1 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2019-10-09 05:30 PM | FLAG:

Yes, because the only other option involved invading Iraq and toppling Saddam.

We did that eventually. It went kind of bad.

#3 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-10-09 06:21 PM | Reply

Disgraceful.

#4 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-10-09 06:22 PM | Reply

and to get the timeline correct, Operation Anfal, the Iraqi Kurd genocide, was in 1988, which was part of the greater Iraqi Arabization campaign that started in 1975. Kuwait wasn't invaded until 1990.

#5 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-10-09 06:42 PM | Reply

Listen - if you think you're our ally but you didn't help us in the Revolutionary War, then you are subject to abandonment without warning.

Donald J. Trump, Supreme Ultimate Thinker of The World

#6 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2019-10-09 06:48 PM | Reply | Funny: 3 | Newsworthy 2

New Fox News poll on whether Congress should impeach Trump and remove him from the presidency:

51% yes
40% no

#7 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-10-09 06:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I bet Trump thinks Little Miss Muffet tried to eat the Kurds.

#8 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-10-09 06:56 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Holy smokes. But we also treat our ww11 allies like garbage.

#9 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-10-09 07:00 PM | Reply

"Holy smokes. But we also treat our ww11 allies like garbage.

#9 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER "

OTOH, how well we treat our WWII enemies: Germany/Marshall plan, Japan.

Alliances change. And they change quickly. Its' a historical fact.

#10 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-09 07:05 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

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I guess Britain should be afraid of Trump nuking them... you know, the Revolutionary War and all.

#11 | Posted by Corky at 2019-10-09 07:12 PM | Reply

And where were the Kurds when our forefathers were fighting the French & Indian War? To say nothing of the War of 1812!

#12 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-10-09 07:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"I guess Britain should be afraid of Trump nuking them... you know, the Revolutionary War and all.

POSTED BY CORKY AT 2019-10-09 07:12 PM "

Bad idea. When I was in the Navy, the British Embassy in Bahrain was the only place in the Persian Gulf we could drink beer. They even threw a killer American Independence Day party on July 4, 1978 complete with hot dogs and apple pie for us. They had no hard feelings.

I wouldn't want to spoil that for the latest batch of sailors over their.

#13 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-09 07:23 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"And where were the Kurds when our forefathers were fighting the French & Indian War? To say nothing of the War of 1812!

#12 | POSTED BY MODER8 "

You are another one who seems very willing to send Americans over there to fight while you sit safely at home. What are you doing to support the effort of American soldiers, sailors, and Marines over there?

#14 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-09 07:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

50 Americans. That was all that was moved out of the way. As they were leaving, US arms convoys were unloading heavy weapons to the Kurds.

#15 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-10-09 07:36 PM | Reply

Alliances change. And they change quickly. Its' a historical fact.

#10 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2019-10-09 07:05 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

You doing your best to summarize the Trump presidency?

#16 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-10-09 07:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

All I can say is he's the worst, and I keep having to say it over and over again.

#17 | Posted by Xzapno_Mapcase at 2019-10-09 07:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Alliances change. And they change quickly. Its' a historical fact.
#10 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2019-10-09 07:05 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

You doing your best to summarize the Trump presidency?
#16 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER "

No, I was responding to your post about treating allies badly.

Did you really not get that? Or is your post a troll?

#18 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-09 07:53 PM | Reply

"Asked about the Kurds, President Trump said that the Kurds did not help the US during WWII or in the Normandy invasion/ D-Day"

Intellectually, Trump is a sausage.

#19 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-09 07:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

50 Americans. That was all that was moved out of the way.

#15 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Well, then. I guess exactly the right thread was pulled to make the suit unravel. Makes you wonder who Trump is talking to.

#20 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-09 07:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The Kurds made a bad decision. They should have sided with Assad against the US invasion.

#21 | Posted by Ray at 2019-10-09 08:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#19 | Posted by Zed

You give him too much credit.

#22 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-10-09 08:02 PM | Reply

The Kurds made a bad decision.

#21 | Posted by Ray at 2019

They elected Donald Trump as president.

#23 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-09 08:02 PM | Reply

50 Americans. That was all that was moved out of the way. As they were leaving, US arms convoys were unloading heavy weapons to the Kurds.

#15 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

How do you know all of this ----?

You constantly make comments on geopolitical foreign affairs that nobody else is making.

Where are you getting your information from?

I am not suggesting what you are saying is BS, BTW. I am genuinely curious as to at least some of your sources of information. I'm certainly not finding any of the kind of detailed things you are saying in any mainstream media sources.

#24 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-10-09 08:11 PM | Reply

- the War of 1812!

Dulli avoided that draft. Now he's planning on joining the Turkish Army's Trump Brigade.

More devo.

#25 | Posted by Corky at 2019-10-09 08:14 PM | Reply

Define humane ethnic cleansing.

Anyone? Buehler?

#26 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-10-09 08:16 PM | Reply

They didn't help us win Vietnam! Neither did Donnie!

#27 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10-09 08:17 PM | Reply

I think y'all are misunderstanding Trump on this one.

The Kurds didn't help us in WWII so we owe them no loyalty.

Russia helped us in WWII, so we should do what they say.

#28 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-09 08:18 PM | Reply

"Dulli avoided that draft. Now he's planning on joining the Turkish Army's Trump Brigade.
More devo.
#25 | POSTED BY CORKY "

So when are you joining the kurdish brigade?

#29 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-09 08:19 PM | Reply

They [the Kurds] elected Obama as president.
#23 | POSTED BY ZED

FTFY

The US entered Syria under Obama. By siding with the US, the Kurds were hoping for a piece of Syria.

BTW saw Joker today. Excellent movie.
I saw it as the future of US and European cities.

#30 | Posted by Ray at 2019-10-09 08:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"The Kurds made a bad decision.
#21 | Posted by Ray at 2019
They elected Donald Trump as president.

#23 | POSTED BY ZED "

So you admit there is a huge issue with voter fraud? Voter ID would have prevented that and probably kept Trump from being president given the slim margin he won swing states.

I'm sure you'll join us on the fight against voter fraud so that an idiot like Trump doesn't get elected again, right zed?

#31 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-09 08:23 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Did you really not get that? Or is your post a troll?

#18 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2019-10-09 07:53 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Some people might ask you the same question. The rest just plonk you. Therefore, you are one of the most plonked members on the site.

#32 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-10-09 08:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Will Sommer @willsommer

Trump appears to have gotten his "Kurds didn't help us at Normandy" line from a Kurt Schlichter column

"Let's be honest-- the Kurds didn't show up for us at Normandy or Inchon or Khe Sanh or Kandahar."
townhall.com

#33 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10-09 08:34 PM | Reply

Wow, this just shows you what a very unstable fool our POTUS is:

Daniel Dale @ddale8

Asked about the possibility of ISIS escapees, Trump says "Well, they're going to be escaping to Europe."
1:07 PM - 9 Oct 2019

#34 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10-09 08:38 PM | Reply

"Did you really not get that? Or is your post a troll?
#18 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2019-10-09 07:53 PM | REPLY | FLAG:
Some people might ask you the same question. The rest just plonk you. Therefore, you are one of the most plonked members on the site.

#32 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER "

Deflection noted.

I'll ask again in hopes you respond without deflecting.

Did you really not get that? [see post 18] Or is your post a troll?

When you are through answering, you need to swoop in and save speaksoftly from my inquisitions of why she took my post out of context.

#35 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-09 08:43 PM | Reply

Arabization? Isn't that the hit new a-pop band?

#36 | Posted by Ottodog at 2019-10-09 08:51 PM | Reply

They didn't join the paratroopers at the Valley Forge airport in 1776, either!

#37 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-10-09 08:53 PM | Reply

Lucas Tomlinson @LucasFoxNews

Syrian Kurds under bombardment from Turkish jets urgently request air support from U.S. and "No fly zone" to protect civilians: SDF statement

Jennifer Griffin @JenGriffinFNC

Jennifer Griffin Retweeted Lucas Tomlinson
The US military has been ordered by President Trump not to help.

#38 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10-09 08:55 PM | Reply

Did you really not get that? [see post 18] Or is your post a troll?

#35 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2019-10-09 08:43 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

When you get bested, you play dumb. Keep going simple trollman. Ruin another thread.

Of course you would hate to see us discuss the epic failures of your hero. What a pathetic hero for you to have too.

#39 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-10-09 09:01 PM | Reply

Does anyone believe this decision by Trump was his own.

To suddenly remember about Syria

This is a business deal for him.

America's future is of no concern to Trump.

Trump's future is Trump's only concern.

The Republican Party is complicit is aiding Trump in exchange for judicial appointments.

The Democratic Party is incompetent, overconfident, and an embarrassment.

#40 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-10-09 09:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Oh THAT explains why trump is putin's puppet. It's not for any nefarious reason. He's just really grateful that putin helped the USA beat the nazis.

#41 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-09 09:10 PM | Reply

BTW saw Joker today. Excellent movie.
I saw it as the future of US and European cities.

#30 | Posted by Ray

Sure if morons like you keep acting like there's no reason to vote for the party that wants to help suffering people.

#42 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-09 09:11 PM | Reply

"When you get bested...

POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

Ahh -- another self-declared victory against an anonymous person on a small blog. I'll bet you feel so special! LOL

Print it out and tack it up next to the pink "participant" ribbons that line your bedroom walls. And careful with those high fives in the mirror -- if the glass breaks you couled bleed a lot.

It must suck to have such low self esteem that you have to claim you bested someone you never even met.

Sad.

#43 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-09 09:14 PM | Reply

"Sure if morons like you ...
POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY"

Intelligent people are able to make a point without childish name calling.

Just saying....

#44 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-09 09:25 PM | Reply

It must suck to have such low self esteem that you have to claim you bested someone yout never even met.

Sad.

Yes it is sad Goatman, yet you continue to do it every day.

#45 | Posted by bruceaz at 2019-10-09 09:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Intelligent people are able to make a point without childish name calling.

Just saying....

#44 | Posted by goatman

Intelligent people are able to discuss the topic of a thread without trying to derail it into petty squabbles about who's not being nice enough to hateful morons.

#46 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-09 09:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Intelligent people are able to discuss the topic of a thread without trying to derail it into petty squabbles about who's not being nice enough to hateful morons.

#46 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY "

You mean like you did in your last post? LOL

Any idiot can peck out 'moron' or 'stupid' on a keyboard. But it takes a brain to make a point without name calling.

Can you make a point without name calling? Of course you can't. And you can't prove me wrong, can you?

Nope! You can't! LOL

The study of psychology teaches us that when someone resorts to name calling, it usually speaks to feelings of inferiority and a feeling of inadequacy of the person doing the name calling. People stoop to the process of name calling when they feel lesser and need to make themselves feel more powerful.

#47 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-09 09:34 PM | Reply

"Yes it is sad Goatman, yet you continue to do it every day.

#45 | POSTED BY BRUCEAZ "

Ahh, the "I know you are, but what am I" retort. Been shopping at Zingercity.com again, I see Bruce. That's OK. Speaksoftly doesn't care how lame a comeback is as long as it is directed against the evil goatman. LOL

#48 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-09 09:40 PM | Reply

"Some people might ask you the same question. The rest just plonk you. Therefore, you are one of the most plonked members on the site.

#32 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER "

You believe that? Um. OK. All I know that in the last two weeks every active member except two have replied to one or more posts I've made. If the plonk numbers meant anything, none would be responding.

I'm sure you can explain why. LOL

#49 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-09 09:44 PM | Reply

#48 ah yes

Mirror mirror on the wall who is the most clever of them all.

Why you are of course says the mirror.

#50 | Posted by bruceaz at 2019-10-09 09:58 PM | Reply

Jesus Christ, where does Trump even get this ----? I swear in the next 48 hours someone's gonna dig up a clip of some freak on Fox Business saying this and winking at the camera.

#51 | Posted by JOE at 2019-10-09 10:24 PM | Reply

Intelligent people are able to make a point without childish name calling.
Just saying....

#44 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2019-10-09 09:25 PM | FLAG:

not you.

#52 | Posted by cjk85 at 2019-10-09 10:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"not you.

#52 | POSTED BY CJK85 "

You are right. I do not get personal and call names.

#53 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-09 10:30 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

FWIW Turkey wasn't in Normandy either.

#54 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-10-09 11:31 PM | Reply

Ryan Browne @rabrowne75 (CNN)

A senior US official tells me that Turkey's incursion into Syria "has already had a detrimental effect" on counter ISIS operations, "they have effectively stopped...We are just watching the second largest Army in NATO attack one of our best counter-terrorism partners"

#55 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10-10 12:02 AM | Reply

A senior US official tells me that Turkey's incursion into Syria "has already had a detrimental effect" on counter ISIS operations, "they have effectively stopped...

So much for Trump beating ISIS like he claimed he would.

He's going to be remembered for allowing them to escape.

Hope righties remember this when there's an ISIS attack in the US.

#56 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-10 12:21 AM | Reply

"It must suck to have such low self esteem that you have to claim you bested someone you never even met."

Party at Goat's house. Tosser/Rigel/Whatever will bring the lamb curry.

It's funny we've all ranted or talked to each other for years now.

#57 | Posted by dibblda at 2019-10-10 12:24 AM | Reply

The Democratic Party is incompetent, overconfident, and an embarrassment.
#40 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

That's what Snoofy calls, *Less Evil*

#58 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-10-10 12:30 AM | Reply

#56 | Posted by jpw

And to compound the idiocy of Trump's move, Turkey is the country that let ISIS fighters into Syria in the first place.

#59 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-10-10 01:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The Kurds fought for the Allies under the British flag in WW2.

First as part of the counter-offensive to the Nazi-backed Iraqi coup of 1941. Later, in Albania, Italy and Greece.

#60 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-10-10 01:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

New Fox News poll on whether Congress should impeach Trump and remove him from the presidency:

51% yes
40% no

#7 | Posted by lee_the_agent

When he's losing even the Pat Robertsons of the world (and other evangelical leaders) over his horrendous decision to abandon the Kurds, Trump's headed into the toaster.

#61 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-10-10 02:07 AM | Reply

More brilliance from the "great and unmatched wisdom" stable genius.

#62 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-10-10 08:32 AM | Reply

Turkey is the country that let ISIS fighters into Syria in the first place.

But they have a Trump Tower so it's Saul Goodman

#63 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-10-10 08:33 AM | Reply

I bet the Kurds don't even remember the Alamo.

#64 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2019-10-10 12:23 PM | Reply

All I can say is he's the worst, and I keep having to say it over and over again.

#17 | Posted by Xzapno_Mapcase

Dude, you got like, 3 comments on this entire blog...

drudge.com

#65 | Posted by boaz at 2019-10-10 12:46 PM | Reply

How do you know all of this ----?
You constantly make comments on geopolitical foreign affairs that nobody else is making.
Where are you getting your information from?

#24 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-10-09 08:11 PM | FLAG:

Crowd sourced intelligence from people on the ground and live conflict maps. You can't hide war anymore.

How do we know that far Eastern Russian troops be-badged themselves and deployed into Ukraine? They took selfies the whole time doing it. Played soccer during rest stops on the way to do it.

How do we know that French made, previously Libyan owned Milan Anti-Tank missiles proliferated into Syria and blew up most of Assad's air force on the ground early on? The people using them made videos and posted them to Liveleak and other sites.

30 minutes ago Islamic militias called the Syrian National Army, a Turk proxy force pulled from the Islamic refugees has taken the neighborhoods on both sides of Gire and are moving to complete an encirclement.

Right now on CivilMilAir they're showing something kind of Turk drone flagged TCT013 at 18,875 ft moving at 106 kts in the vicinity of Mardin crossing from Turkey into Syria just 3 minutes ago.

The Turkish Foreign Minister just threatened to put sanctions on America if we sanction Ankara, as of 1 minute ago.

#66 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-10-10 12:54 PM | Reply

That's what Snoofy calls, *Less Evil*

#58 | Posted by SheepleSchism a

Because it's literally true.

#67 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-10 01:08 PM | Reply

Did saudi arabia help us in WW2? So how come trump licks their balls?

Trump simply does whatever putin wants. Us withdrawl from syria helps putin, so that's what trump does.

He's a puppet.

#68 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-10 01:10 PM | Reply

"Did saudi arabia help us in WW2? So how come trump licks their balls?
Trump simply does whatever putin wants. Us withdrawl from syria helps putin, so that's what trump does.
He's a puppet.

#68 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY "

Same reason the last several presidents have. Oil.

You didn't know this? And you call *me* a moron? LOL

#69 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-10 01:14 PM | Reply

Same reason the last several presidents have. Oil.

You didn't know this? And you call *me* a moron? LOL

#69 | Posted by goatman

News flash - we are no longer depedent on saudi arabia for oil. We have more than they do.

What saudi arabia now has is control of the national enquirer. Which has a vault containing a lifetime of buried trump scandals.

#70 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-10 01:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"News flash - we are no longer depedent on saudi arabia for oil. We have more than they do.
#70 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY "

We still import oil since we consume more than we produce. You didn't know this? And you call *me* a moron? LOL

#71 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-10 01:46 PM | Reply

Did saudi arabia help us in WW2? So how come trump licks their balls?

#68 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY "

Also, SA is a major buyer of US arms which is a boost in the economy.

#72 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-10 01:49 PM | Reply

"The United States both imports and exports petroleum (a broad term that includes crude oil and refined products such as gasoline, diesel and jet fuels, and other products; "petroleum" and "oil" are sometimes used interchangeably1) in various quantities depending on cost and demand. Overall, the United States imports more than it exports, making it a net importer of petroleum. In 2017, imports provided 19% of the country's demand for petroleum.2"

#70 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY "

#73 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-10 01:50 PM | Reply

^user name should be over article

#74 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-10 01:51 PM | Reply

We still import oil since we consume more than we produce. You didn't know this? And you call *me* a moron? LOL

#71 | Posted by goatman

So what? We're no longer saudi arabia's oil hostage like we have been in the past. Yet this president is more subservient to them than any president we've ever had because they control him like putin does.

#75 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-10 01:53 PM | Reply

"50 Americans. That was all that was moved out of the way. As they were leaving, US arms convoys were unloading heavy weapons to the Kurds.
#15 | POSTED BYSITZKRIEG"

What is your point?

#76 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-10-10 01:53 PM | Reply

"We're no longer saudi arabia's oil hostage like we have been in the past"

Well we're certainly not energy independent either, so whose oil hostage are we these days?

#77 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-10-10 01:55 PM | Reply

""News flash - we are no longer depedent on saudi arabia for oil. We have more than they do.
#70 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY "

Wrong again. Saudi Arabia's proven oil reserves are much larger than the US's. They are #2, the US is #11.

en.wikipedia.org

#78 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-10 01:57 PM | Reply

Did saudi arabia help us in WW2?

#68 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

"Saudi Aramco's origins trace to the oil shortages of World War I and the exclusion of American companies from Mesopotamia by the United Kingdom and France under the San Remo Petroleum Agreement of 1920.[17] The US administration at the time had popular support for an "Open Door policy", which Herbert Hoover, secretary of commerce, initiated in 1921. Standard Oil of California (SoCal) was among those US companies seeking new sources of oil from abroad.[18]

Through its subsidiary company, the Bahrain Petroleum Co. (BAPCO), SoCal struck oil in Bahrain in May 1932. This event heightened interest in the oil prospects of the Arabian mainland. On 29 May 1933, the Saudi Arabian government granted a concession to SoCal in preference to a rival bid from the Iraq Petroleum Co.[19] The concession allowed SoCal to explore for oil in Saudi Arabia."

Without that oil, US loses the Pacific theater and can't invade Normandy.

#79 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-10-10 02:05 PM | Reply

en.wikipedia.org

Without a joint UK-Soviet Union invasion of Iran, the eastern front falls.

#80 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-10-10 02:06 PM | Reply

"Without that oil, US loses the Pacific theater and can't invade Normandy."

This is like saying without the steel from the old Fifth Avenue El, the ---- couldn't have bombed Pearl Harbor.

#81 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-10-10 02:08 PM | Reply

Japanese aircraft where aluminum. Bauxite ore, secured from war with China. A big push behind the oil conquests was when Japan took the Dutch East Indies and 90% of the world's rubber supply with it. Synthetic rubber production required vast oil supplies, not to mention the consumption in fueling the largest fleets and mechanized land armies the world has ever seen.

#82 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-10-10 02:48 PM | Reply

Those small teams of Special Forces soldiers numbering about 200 men were there as a deterrent to the Turks doing what they are doing now. Killing with bombs, artillery, drones and other projectiles men women and children. Sort of like the small number of US Troops along the DMZ in Korea. They will not stop the NK from going south, but the entire US military apparatus will. These SF soldiers were not in constant danger as the war with ISIS was winding down. The Kurds lost over 11,000 men and women fighting our fight with ISIS and instead of the US 101st, 82nd and Ranger and Marines battalions the Kurds did the vast majority of the fighting. The SF men are gutted that Donald the Orange Turd betrayed these people and now we see the ramifications of a new war already. TRump is a traitor to our allies and to all Americans. He needs to go ASAP!

#83 | Posted by tknees at 2019-10-10 05:34 PM | Reply

Wrong again. Saudi Arabia's proven oil reserves are much larger than the US's. They are #2, the US is #11.

en.wikipedia.org

#78 | Posted by goatman

Goat playing semantics and technicalities as always. And wrong as usual.

www.aogr.com
OSLO, NORWAY"The United States now holds the world's largest recoverable oil reserve base"more than Saudi Arabia or Russia"thanks to the development of unconventional resource plays.

www.usatoday.com
Why the U.S. is less dependent than ever on Saudi oil

www.cnbc.com
The US holds more oil reserves than Saudi Arabia and Russia, the first time it has surpassed those held by the world's biggest exporting nations, according to a new study.

#84 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-10 05:48 PM | Reply

"News from Syria is sickening," House Republican conference chair Liz Cheney tweeted on Wednesday. "Turkish troops preparing to invade Syria from the north, Russian-backed forces from the south, ISIS fighters attacking Raqqa. Impossible to understand why @realDonaldTrump is leaving America's allies to be slaughtered and enabling the return of ISIS."

No liz, it's not impossible to understand. You just have to finally admit trump has been putin's puppet all along and then all of a sudden all his crazy actions make perfect sense.

#85 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-10 05:53 PM | Reply

"Goat playing semantics and technicalities as always. And wrong as usual.
www.aogr.com
OSLO, NORWAY"The United States now holds the world's largest recoverable oil reserve base"more than Saudi Arabia or Russia"thanks to the development of unconventional resource plays.
www.usatoday.com
Why the U.S. is less dependent than ever on Saudi oil
www.cnbc.com
The US holds more oil reserves than Saudi Arabia and Russia, the first time it has surpassed those held by the world's biggest exporting nations, according to a new study.

#84 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY "

Your first link is from 2016. I presume the others are dated as well.

Also, you should look at your data closer before posting and gloating. Pay attention and learn what the 1P column is. It is "proven" oil reserves. That means beyond the shadow of doubt recoverable oil. The US is far from #1 on that list. The other columns, 2P 2PC, are less likely cerainty. 2PCX actually counts "undiscovered oil" LOL. Yes, those damned semantics! I know you don't like words that don't support your view so go ahead and shriek "SEMANTICS" and run in circles as you always do when confronted with an inconvenient truth.

#86 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-10 05:58 PM | Reply

"They will not stop the NK from going south, but the entire US military apparatus will."

^
This is why I asked Sitzkrieg what his point is.

#87 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-10-10 06:04 PM | Reply

"#85 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY "

Something else you don't understand (what else is new?) is that not all oil is equal. Shale oil, the product that has pushed American production up is not easy to extract and refine. It is much easier and cheaper to refine Saudi and North Sea oil. This is true of proven US reserves like tar sands.

If all our domestic proven reserves were equal, of course we wouldn't import. Duh. But they aren't. It's like prefering to import good french wine or drink inferior domestic wine. Sure, we have enough domestic wine for everyone. Some it good, and some is rotgut. There isn't' enouugh good wine to go around, so we decide to import.

Again, feel free to shriek "SEMANTICS!" I prefer to stick with reality than pull my hair out trying to prove an unproveable point. Don't get me wrong, it's fun watching you, but I thought there might be a sliver of a chance you are interested in facts for a change.

#88 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-10 06:05 PM | Reply

"If all our domestic proven reserves were equal, of course we wouldn't import."

Absolutely not.
We import because "American oil" isn't owned by America, but by RDS, BP, XOM, etc.

It's not our oil.
There is no "our oil."

#89 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-10-10 06:08 PM | Reply

"It's not our oil.
There is no "our oil."

#89 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

"Our oil" often refers to its source, in this case the US. It also refers to who owns it. The US government owns all mining and recovery rights to oil on American soil to the end of the Continental shelf. They lease the rights to drill for and recover it to oil companies.

There are a very few exceptions as small landowners who had mineral rights included on the sale of their land, but they are few, and of those most aren't likely to have oil. I believe mineral rights for private land owners are a thing of the past and anyone who has them does due to grandfathering.

You didn't know these things, or are you trolling?

#90 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-10 06:17 PM | Reply

Do you know who else didn't help us at Normandy, or ANY other US war or police action EVER? ANYBODY named TRUMP! No Trump has EVER served in the US military but we know that during Vietnam Dolt45 actively avoided service under fraudulent pretenses, so he needs to shut his chocolate cakehole over who helped the US in war. The Kurds fought like banshees against ISIS and suffered thousands of times more losses than we did. That we would abandon them to be slaughtered by Turkey and Russia in order to placate Erdogan and Putin is very telling. I'm wondering if Erdogan threatened Drumpf Towers, a conflict of interest that Combover Quisling has freely admitted to on TV.

#91 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2019-10-10 06:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"The US government owns all mining and recovery rights to oil on American soil to the end of the Continental shelf. They lease the rights to drill for and recover it to oil companies."

They also let them take the oil, at which point it's not our oil any more.

#92 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-10-10 06:24 PM | Reply

"The US government owns all mining and recovery rights to oil on American soil to the end of the Continental shelf. "

Good for us!
But we don't go down to the gas station and fill up with a tank of rights.

#93 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-10-10 06:27 PM | Reply

More education for you, speaksoftly:

"Recoverable reserves fluctuate with the price of oil and gas, unlike oil or gas resources that can be technically recovered at any price."

www.investopedia.com

So in other words, the US may have comparable reserves as certain other countries, but it is still a lot cheaper to go with the import as my example upthread stated. It's cheaper (BTU/$$$ wise) to import high quality North Sea or Saudi oil or refined products than it is to recover and refine from a more difficult source like shale. So we import. It's cheaper.

I hope this helps explain things your simple tables and charts don't get into.

#94 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-10 06:27 PM | Reply

"They also let them take the oil, at which point it's not our oil any more.

#92 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-10-10 06:24 PM "

"Buy" is a better and more appropriate word than "take" in your sentence. And yes, once they buy it, it is no longer the USA's (our) oil.

My rig drilled the first 4,400 feet of the infamous Macondo well that blew out with the Deepwater Horizon on top of it. (why the Marianas didn't finish that hole is a long story, but obviously I'm glad we didn't) I understand that that play was the most expensive one in the history of Gulf drilling. Though I'm retired, I think I am still bound by an NDA. But trust me, it was a LOT of money. I was shocked. My point is that the US doesn't do too badly by selling "our" oil.

#95 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-10 06:35 PM | Reply

"My point is that the US doesn't do too badly by selling "our" oil."

My point is that your statement "If all our domestic proven reserves were equal, of course we wouldn't import" is completely asinine.

Especially coming from an oil worker, who knows how we choose to develop and exploit oil resources in America.

#96 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-10-10 06:41 PM | Reply

"My point is that your statement "If all our domestic proven reserves were equal, of course we wouldn't import" is completely asinine.
#96 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

No, it's not. If all our oil were easily obtainable and refined, the oil companies wouldn't export it -- they'd sell it here. But it's not, so we buy north sea and SA oil which is more easily and cheaply refined.

#97 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-10 06:52 PM | Reply

Actually the Kurds did help us during WWII, via their service with the British:

By 1942, the Iraq Levies consisted of a Headquarters, a Depot, Specialist Assyrian companies, 40 service companies and the 1st Parachute Company, which consisted of 75% Assyrian and 25% Kurd. The new Iraq Levies Disciplinary Code was based largely on the Indian Army Act.

By 1943 the Iraq Levies strength stood at 166 British officers controlling 44 companies; 22 Assyrian, five Mixed Assyrian/Yizidi, ten Kurdish, four Marsh Arabs, and three Baluchi. Eleven Assyrian companies served in Palestine and another four served in Cyprus. The Parachute Company was attached to the Royal Marine Commando and were active in Albania, Italy and Greece. In 1943/1944 the Iraq Levies were renamed the Royal Air Force Levies.

OCU

#98 | Posted by OCUser at 2019-10-10 06:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I hope this helps explain things your simple tables and charts don't get into.

#94 | Posted by goatman

How many posts are you going to write to ignore the larger picture that we dont have to be saudi arabia's bitch anymore because we're not nearly as dependant on them for oil?

You think focusing on a specific category disproves an entire argument when the larger picture is undeniable.

But that's not surprising for someone who whines about LIES all day, whiles spending every day defending the world's most famous liar.

#99 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-10 07:40 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"How many posts are you going to write to ignore the larger picture that we dont have to be saudi arabia's bitch anymore because we're not nearly as dependant on them for oil?
You think focusing on a specific category disproves an entire argument when the larger picture is undeniable.
But that's not surprising for someone who whines about LIES all day, whiles spending every day defending the world's most famous liar.

POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY "

You've lied 5 times on this thread. Five times I've corrected you with links to reputable sites. If you don't appreciate my benevolence and taking the time to educate you, fine. Just go troll someone else and quit nipping at my heels, stalker.

You really do need a life. Badly.

#100 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-10 07:43 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"If all our oil were easily obtainable and refined, the oil companies wouldn't export it -- they'd sell it here."

Again, pure nonsense.

They would sell it to whoever's buying... just like they do right now!

#101 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-10-10 09:06 PM | Reply

"Again, pure nonsense.
#101 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

You're entitled to your opinion.

#102 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-10 09:08 PM | Reply

You haven't even offered a theoretical explanation for why we would stop importing oil, Goatman.

You might as well be arguing there's a teapot orbiting Pluto, and if anyone disagrees, well, that's just like your opinion, man!

#103 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-10-10 09:14 PM | Reply

"You haven't even offered a theoretical explanation for why we would stop importing oil, Goatman."

I didn't realize I was obliged to.

"You might as well be arguing there's a teapot orbiting Pluto, and if anyone disagrees, well, that's just like your opinion, man!"

I'm not arguing anything. I'm answering your questions. And I've grown weary of the endless string of snoofygames (tm) questions, so run along now.

As I said, you are entitled to your opinion. But you are entitled to me taking your snoofygames (tm) bait.

#104 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-10 09:17 PM | Reply

"You haven't even offered a theoretical explanation for why we would stop importing oil, Goatman."

I didn't realize I was obliged to."

Opinions are better when they are informed opinions.

#105 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-10-10 10:53 PM | Reply

"Opinions are better when they are informed opinions.

#105 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

Mine is informed. That doesn't mean I'm obliged to engage in a snoofygames (tm) line of endless and stupid questions.

#106 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-10 10:57 PM | Reply

How many posts are you going to write to ignore the larger picture that we dont have to be saudi arabia's bitch anymore because we're not nearly as dependant on them for oil?

#99 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2019-10-10 07:40 PM | FLAG: NOI KIDDING

Actually keeping us in war in the M.E. is what keeps us plugged into their oil teat. Its our circular firing squad. Most if not all of our Arab oil goes to the military, and not domestic use. The imports for domestic use supplies comes from Canada and Mexico and thanks to NAFTA it keeps the prices in check.

Basiclly we are the Big Oil's bitch because they are using us for their own personal hit squad to deal with recalcitrant nations sitting large oil reserves. Money is dumped into our military not to protect us but to protect Big Oil... and thats a fact. Look at where the bulk of our military is deployed.

Its funny how Trumplethinskin was so hot to put tarrifs on Chinese made goods because they are ripping us off there should be HUGE Tarrifs put on Saudi oil becuase its so expensive to protgect their interests. Already they were trying to get us into a war with Iran. They would love that. Caaaaa-ching. The more we try to extract ourselves the more they fund our enemies to keep us there.

#107 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-10-11 01:53 AM | Reply

"Trump noted several contributing factors, including that the Kurds, an Iranian ethnic group, did not help the United States during World War II"including the invasion of Normandy Beach."

Private Bone Spurs talking about people who didn't help us out in our wars is sort of laughable, don't you think?

#108 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-11 07:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Mine is informed."

I don't believe it is.
Where did you get your information?

#109 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-10-11 01:55 PM | Reply

Mine is informed."
I don't believe it is.

#109 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-10- "
For the third time, you are entitled to your opinion.

#110 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-11 02:40 PM | Reply

Where did you get your information that oil companies wouldn't export oil they extract from America, if only there were more of it to be extracted from America?

#111 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-10-11 02:45 PM | Reply

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