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Sunday, October 13, 2019

Gordon Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the European Union and a key witness in the House Democrats' impeachment inquiry, is ready to testify to Congress this week that a text message he sent to fellow diplomats defending President Trump against wrongdoing in his Ukraine dealings was actually relayed to him by Trump himself, according to The Washington Post.

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My oh my.

#1 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-10-13 01:44 PM | Reply

Could this be the reason why Pres Trump tried to prevent Amb Sondland's testimony before Congress?

#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-10-13 07:43 PM | Reply

From way back on Oct 11...

Trump's Stonewalling on Impeachment Shows Cracks With Testimony
www.bloomberg.com

...On Oct. 17, the committees will hear from a witness Republican lawmakers expect will be friendly to the president: Gordon Sondland, the ambassador to the European Union who donated more than $1 million to Trump's inauguration....

#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-10-13 07:46 PM | Reply

This thread has been remarkably quiet...

Must be the a deep state sleeper cell who gave the money to get the position to be able to turn on him when it counted most.

Obama has to be at the root of this all. I mean the guy got his birth advertised in Honolulu newspapers while a newborn in Kenya to cover his soon to be Islamic roots. Only somebody capable or orchestrating that could form such a clever and nefarious deepstate.

#4 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-13 09:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

@#4 ... deep state ...

Usually when "deep state" is mentioned, I post this obligtory cartoon...

www.realclearpolitics.com

But because of the events and evidence of these past couple of weeks, I am beginning to form an entirely different opinion of what Pres Trump means when he refers the the "deep state."

#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-10-13 09:37 PM | Reply

This thread has been remarkably quiet...

I'm sure Jimmy Dore will do a video on the topic soon, along with many YouTube comments about how Jimmy Dore is, like, so awesome.

#6 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-10-13 10:04 PM | Reply

I'm sure Jimmy Dore will do a video on the topic soon, along with many YouTube comments about how Jimmy Dore is, like, so awesome.

#6 | POSTED BYREDIAL

I'm sure Dore will get to it.

And the whole point of posting the YouTube comments was to show those clueless and ignorant DR posters what's going on with social media and the media in general.

The traffic that podcasts like Joe Rogan or Jimmy Dore pull is undeniable -- they're literally are stealing viewers from traditional MSM platforms as millions of people become cable cord cutters.

#7 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-10-13 10:30 PM | Reply

@#6 ... Jimmy Dore ...

Because of the repetition here, I viewed some of the videos in question.

They were, ummmm, interesting.

Like most youtube personalities, the videos seemed to me to be more the product of an attention whore than a thinking analyst.

I view the time I spent watching those videos as time invested, with little return.

Others may have a differing opinion and are free, imo, to waste their time watching them.

#8 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-10-13 10:32 PM | Reply

"Others may have a differing opinion and are free, imo, to waste their time watching them.
#8 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER "

I honestly doesn't think anyone does except Pinche.

#9 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-13 10:35 PM | Reply

And the whole point of posting the YouTube comments was to show those clueless and ignorant DR posters what's going on with social media and the media in general.

I'm just a DR noob, but my feeling is that most posters here have at least a small clue about how the internet and social media works.

#10 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-10-13 10:45 PM | Reply

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@#7 ... The traffic that podcasts like Joe Rogan or Jimmy Dore pull is undeniable ...

But you do not comment upon whether that is the problem or the solution.

#11 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-10-13 10:45 PM | Reply

my feeling is that most posters here have at least a small clue about how the internet and social media works.

#10 | POSTED BY REDIAL

Maybe, but the few that loudly dismissed those podcasts clearly were ignorant to what's going on.

The average age of a CNN viewer is something like 68 ...

One can only guess the average age of the DR poster -- but the mindset of those DR posters loudly whining about YouTube channels clearly shows they're stuck in the year 2006.

#12 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-10-13 10:56 PM | Reply

But you do not comment upon whether that is the problem or the solution.

#11 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

They're the solution.

Free speech -- especially speech free from corporate media power.

People are cutting the cord, and these YouTube channels are a godsend.

#13 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-10-13 11:00 PM | Reply

"People are cutting the cord..."
#13 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF "

It sounds like "cutting the cord" has replaced "second gilded age" in Pinchaloaf's vernacular.

#14 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-13 11:06 PM | Reply

And the whole point of posting the YouTube comments was to show those clueless and ignorant DR posters what's going on with social media and the media in general.

Yawn.

You thought you were finally one of the cool, edgy kids.

Because you really thought you knew something others didn't.

Sorry, champ. You were/are wrong.

#15 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-13 11:10 PM | Reply

One can only guess the average age of the DR poster -- but the mindset of those DR posters loudly whining about YouTube channels clearly shows they're stuck in the year 2006.

#12 | Posted by PinchALoaf

Nice strawman.

#16 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-13 11:11 PM | Reply

In fact, given your comments here and the....ummmmmm....enthusiasm with which you've latched on the Jimmy the Douche it seems that you are the one who finally only just figured out what's going on and you want to be the cool kid.

I've known about Joe Rogan for years (he's done several good segments on science topics).

Alex Jones made his name in that format.

#17 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-13 11:16 PM | Reply

In fact, given your comments here and the....ummmmmm....enthusiasm with which you've latched on the Jimmy the Douche it seems thatyouare the one who finally only just figured out what's going on and you want to be the cool kid.

I've known about Joe Rogan for years (he's done several good segments on science topics).

#17 | POSTED BYJPW

I posted the Rogan/Bernie interview, and there'll be more Rogan threads to come.

Your reaction to Dore is funny too me because people used to say the same negative things about Bill Maher -- but Maher is now as limp as a corporate bought cup of soggy ramen noodles, and vanilla centrists (like you -- no offense) are now allover Maher like white on rice.

I have greater enthusiasm for Thomas Frank's work.

Frank is someone I knew of, but also forgot about during the run-up to the 2016 primary and general election -- which is why I was still focused on voting for Hillary and Democrats when I should've understood that the DNC's machinations against Bernie was the Democrats showing their true colors.

#18 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-10-13 11:40 PM | Reply

@#13 ... Free speech -- especially speech free from corporate media power. ...

Your comments seem to equate free speech with those whose purpose seems to be the accumulations of "likes."

While I am not against free speech, I do have an issue when your comments equate online popularity with, well anything resembling reality.

Have you looked at the more popular youtube stars? Really, you are basing your entire argument upon popularity on youtube.

Please, you really need to spend more time on youtube.

#19 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-10-14 01:12 AM | Reply

Sondland still a huge Trumper... don't count on him being too helpful.

Jimmy Dore's nowhere near the level of Joe Rogan.. Rogan uses humor and smarts where Dore comes off as pushy and overreaching.
Bill Maher's been disappointing lately IMO

#20 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2019-10-14 01:16 AM | Reply

That's odd. I just saw Schiff himself admit there was no quid pro quo.

#21 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-10-14 02:04 AM | Reply

and vanilla centrists (like you -- no offense)

Yeah, you're definitely the kid wearing pump basketball shoes two years after the fad ended.

And it's not offensive to me to be a centrist because that's reality.

And reality is that I'm much more pragmatic and willing to be critical of my own views than loony fringe dwellers who don't let things like cost or plausibility color their perceptions.

Which is why Trump is going to win again. Because people like you are now loudly trying to wrest control of the narrative.

#22 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-14 07:58 AM | Reply

Bill Maher's been disappointing lately IMO

I haven't watched Maher in months but he never struck me as that far left.

I guess his being pragmatic about beating Trump is rubbing the ideologues the wrong way?

#23 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-14 08:00 AM | Reply

Rogan uses humor and smarts where Dore comes off as pushy and overreaching.

He struck me as a poor imitation of Howard Stern. Even with his little group of lackies that interrupt to say stupid stuff.

#24 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-14 08:04 AM | Reply

the mindset of those DR posters loudly whining about YouTube channels clearly shows they're stuck in the year 2006.
#12 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF

And anyone who still bothers reading the bot filled youtube comments section must still be stuck in 2014

#25 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2019-10-14 09:10 AM | Reply

Good thread once it went off topic.

On topic, tomorrow's the big day, right? Let's see what happens. Sounds like he's going to try and split the baby.

It's a million $$$ in on Trump (already) versus what could happen to him if he lies or misleads.

#26 | Posted by YAV at 2019-10-14 09:33 AM | Reply

Sondland's on Thursday, not Tuesday. My mistake.

#27 | Posted by YAV at 2019-10-14 09:37 AM | Reply

I clicked on the thread wondering whether the title was a typo of Scotland, lol.

#28 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-10-14 09:43 AM | Reply

#28 | POSTED BY GONOLES92

Isn't that where he directed the military to use an airport near one of his properties (as opposed to much cheaper options) so that he could prevent the property from going under? I haven't seen any accusations of "quid pro quo", just straight up corruption. But with morality (or lack of it) of this conservative administration, I guess it is not a stretch.

Conservatives have so much corruption in this government, it is becoming a little taxing to try to keep all of it straight.

#29 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-10-14 09:58 AM | Reply

Isn't that where he directed the military to use an airport near one of his properties

Yup, allegedly.

#30 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-10-14 10:05 AM | Reply

And reality is that I'm much more pragmatic and willing to be critical of my own views than loony fringe dwellers who don't let things like cost or plausibility color their perceptions.

Which is why Trump is going to win again. Because people like you are now loudly trying to wrest control of the narrative.

#22 | POSTED BY JPW

You don't challenge yourself at all.

We're the richest country ever -- yet we can't afford universal healthcare when poorer nation's can do it?

What got Trump elected was him successfully using the combination of Populism and Nationalism.

Trump's populism was only made possible because Democrats abandoned economically squeezed working and middle-class voters -- and Trump swooped in and convinced these same voters to vote for him.

Trump's appeal to nationalism is obvious.

Thomas Frank points out that the Democrats could win, and win easily, if Democrats advocated REAL populism backed up by policy ideas aimed at improving the lives of working and middle-class Americans.

As I've pointed out numerous times -- if you don't believe America is in it's SECOND Gilded Age with wealth inequality rampaging across the face of America, then all this flies over your head.

If Trump wins a second term, it'll be because "centrist" Democrats like you will have put him there by pushing those same economically squeezed working and middle-class voters to vote for Trump.

#31 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-10-14 10:38 AM | Reply

And anyone who still bothers reading the bot filled youtube comments section must still be stuck in 2014

#25 | POSTED BY JOHNNY_HOTSAUCE

The reason you're wrong about this is that millions of people are cutting the cord, and have been doing so for years.

And as I've pointed out by posting you-tube comments, people like to do that and even go back and look, just like posting on an anonymous message board (like this one).

We agree on allot of things -- but you're completely missing this and missing what's going on.

#32 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-10-14 10:50 AM | Reply

You don't challenge yourself at all.

We're the richest country ever -- yet we can't afford universal healthcare when poorer nation's can do it?

LOL sure thing.

The more accurate way to phrase the above would be We're the richest country ever -- yet we can't afford universal healthcare and free tuition and free housing and the Green New Deal and UBI and and and when poorer nation's can do it?

Personally, if it was only UHC (or some improvement of ACA to reduce medical costs, not just slow down cost increases), I wouldn't argue one bit because that's a monkey on everybody's back that solving would make the broadest, largest difference.

But you can't sell me on all the free or cheap stuff being proposed at the same time.

but you're completely missing this and missing what's going on.

#32 | Posted by PinchALoaf

No, we're not dumbass. You're just so late to the party you're still in that phase of "whooaaaaa that's so new" type thinking.

What you've finally stumbled upon isn't nearly as profound as you seem to think it is.

#33 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-14 12:45 PM | Reply

The more accurate way to phrase the above would be "We're the richest country ever -- yet we can't afford universal healthcare and free tuition and free housing and the Green New Deal and UBI and and and when poorer nation's can do it?"

#33 | POSTED BY JPW

Wrong

Just the increase in the DoD Budget alone, $200 billion for unneeded military hardware, would pay for free college -- which also saves downstream healthcare costs because healthcare discipline's like 'Population Health Management' show that a college education is the biggest determinant to reducing long-term healthcare costs.

Yang's UBI Freedom Divened?

Hell yes -- we just doled out $2 trillion dollars of free taxpayer money to millionaires, billionaires, and corporations already making record profits.

Housing? New Green Deal?

Sure, there's plenty of money.

In 2008 when Wall Street crooks were bailed out for their criminal activity that resulted in crashing the world's economy, we gave these douchebags $12 trillion at the drop of a hat ...

The U.S. had lent, spent or guaranteed $12.8 trillion to rescue the economy
youtu.be
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According to a team at Bloomberg News, at one point last year the U.S. had lent, spent or guaranteed as much as $12.8 trillion to rescue the economy.

The Bloomberg reporters have been following that money. Alison Stewart spoke with one, Bob Ivry, to talk about the true cost to the taxpayer of the Wall Street bailout.

Most of this is UN-accounted for and the private Federal Reserve won't tell.


See what I mean?

There's plenty of money -- and anyone telling you otherwise is wrong and probably a hack and a douchebag.

You need to challenge what you're being told.

#34 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-10-14 01:07 PM | Reply

Here's Schiff walking back his bogus allegation that the perfect phone call included a quid pro quo:

pjmedia.com

#35 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-10-14 10:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

You need to challenge what you're being told.
#34 | Posted by PinchALoaf

Um, wrong site, buddy.

#36 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-10-15 11:37 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Anyone with one functioning brain cell who actually read the text message in question knew it was a regurgitation of WH talking points as opposed to a good faith refutation of his colleagues' concerns about dangling military aid/meetings for election aid.

But that didn't stop intellectually dishonest rightwing trolls from hanging their hats on it as though it proved Trump's intentions in Ukraine were clean and genuine.

#37 | Posted by JOE at 2019-10-15 11:49 AM | Reply

But that didn't stop intellectually dishonest rightwing trolls from hanging their hats on it as though it proved Trump's intentions in Ukraine were clean and genuine.

#37 | Posted by JOE

That's because the mouthbreathers don't think, they just look for the nearest thing to use as an excuse to not criticize their dear leader and continue to obviously BS narrative that it's all just politics and a "coup".

#38 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-15 12:57 PM | Reply

You both are so right. Absolutely.
It was actually guffaw funny because the text messages went from conversational and informal to formal, rigid, rote recitation of Presidential CYA.

#39 | Posted by YAV at 2019-10-15 04:12 PM | Reply

That's odd. I just saw Schiff himself admit there was no quid pro quo.

#21 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

No you didn't.

You heard him say that there does not need to be a PQP

Not there is wasn't one. There OBVIOUSLY was one. The transcripts prove it. Maybe you should read them. The whistle blowers also showed you. You don't believe them. The proof is right there. Too bad you apparently can't or won't read.

Enjoy Trumps impeachment. He earned it.

Too bad we can't impeach his idiot followers like you!! You definitely are earning it, too.

#40 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-10-15 04:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#40 - I'm so glad you correct BS like that, Donnerboy.

#41 | Posted by YAV at 2019-10-15 04:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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