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Monday, October 14, 2019

Syrian government troops began moving toward towns near the Turkish border Sunday night under a deal struck with Syrian Kurds, following a chaotic day that saw the unraveling of the U.S. mission in northeastern Syria.

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Well, Trump is succeeding in getting the US out of Syria... and cementing Russia's presence which now threatens a wider war against Turkey by the newly combined Syrian/Russian/Kurds forces.

Winning?

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-10-13 04:30 PM | Reply

The announcement by the Syrian Democratic Forces Sunday night that they had reached an agreement with the Iranian and Russian-backed government of President Bashar al-Assad further undermined the prospect of any continued U.S. presence. The deal means that forces loyal to Assad will return to towns and cities that have been under Kurdish control for seven years.

"An agreement has been reached with the Syrian government " whose duty it is to protect the country's borders and preserve Syrian sovereignty " for the Syrian Army to enter and deploy along the Syrian-Turkish border to help the SDF stop this aggression" by Turkey, the Syrian Democratic Forces said in a statement.

The official Syrian news agency SANA said Syrian troops were already moving north to deploy along the border with Turkey.

So much for Syrian regime change.

#2 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-10-13 04:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Winning?

#1 | POSTED BY TONYROMA "

Every troop that is removed from that god-forsaken part of the world is a win for the US. Maybe not for the people who have been sponging off of the US for decades, but for the US troops and their friends and families, it's a win.

It's funny how the proggies used to condemn American soldiers being sent to their deaths for someone or something (usually oil) else. Now they gladly want to send Americans to die over there.

I remember how they used to tell Bush supporters, "You have no right to want to send American soldiers over there unless you are willing to go". My, how you guys have flip flopped. Or have you and your ilk already enlisted, Tony?

#3 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-13 04:35 PM | Reply

It's a humiliation and a defeat no matter how you slice it.

#4 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-13 06:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

@#3 ... It's funny how the proggies used to condemn American soldiers being sent to their deaths for someone or something (usually oil) else. Now they gladly want to send Americans to die over there. ...

I'm not seeing what you seem to be seeing.

From what I've been seeing, the left side seems to be quite concerned about longer-term effects and ramifications of the US abandoning an ally.

As much as Pres Trump seems to be trying to frame his decision differently, that longer-term aspect seems to stay important to those on the left.

In this area, I cannot say I am in disagreement with the left.

#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-10-13 07:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

As much as Pres Trump seems to be trying to frame his decision differently, that longer-term aspect seems to stay important to those on the left.

The use of America's military should never be viewed solely in a "left/right" dynamic. All of our citizens are represented in the services and our physical well being inside the 50 states is also at issue so what occurs involves everyone, even those unaware of what's going on.

As has been recounted for decades, the sacrifices of American soldiers should never be minimized, and abdicating our light touch presence in Syria was one of them imo. For those who've sacrificed their lives and health, and for those who toiled in Syria to make sure that ISIS could not use the territory as a base to launch terror attacks the world over, Trump's unadvised decision disrespects all that's come before it.

In my eyes, that shows respect for our soldiers, not a cavalier willingness to use them as pawns towards an unachievable or dishonest ends. And I'm sure they didn't want to cut and run from our former allies that did the brunt of the fighting and dying on behalf of our stated goals only to see a compromised president turn his back on them after being strong-armed by a tyrant who likely used Trump's own business as incentive to get the US to withdraw.

Our soldiers and military deserve far better than a CIC as compromised as this one where no one can be certain of his exact motivations for doing anything when his own business intersects in opposition to this nation's expressed and longstanding policy which he abruptly negated.

#6 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-10-13 08:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

@#6 ... The use of America's military should never be viewed solely in a "left/right" dynamic. ...

Our soldiers and military deserve far better than a CIC as compromised as this one where no one can be certain of his exact motivations for doing anything when his own business intersects in opposition to this nation's expressed and longstanding policy which he abruptly negated.

Agreement.

... no one can be certain of his exact motivations for doing anything when his own business intersects in opposition to this nation's expressed and longstanding policy ...

I would make one slight change, though. If I may...

...no one can be certain of his exact motivations for doing anything when his own business and/or personal political interests intersect in opposition to sworn oaths and this nation's expressed and longstanding policy...

That works better for me, and seems to be more appropriate in light of the current expanding pool of evidence.


#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-10-13 09:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

#7

I agree.

#8 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-10-13 09:20 PM | Reply

We have to start asking who the president is working for, exactly. It's not hyperbole to suspect that Trump may literally be compromised either by greed or blackmail, serving either as a knowing or unwitting asset of a hostile foreign power. Because nothing about this decision to betray the Kurds is on behalf of any American constituency.

The troops are angry and ashamed. Both Republicans and Democrats are furious. The Israeli government, including the far right, is apoplectic. So who, exactly, is Trump doing this for? And what is the payoff?

Americans deserve to know, and quickly. Before this "president" can do any further damage.

David Atkins

#9 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-10-14 06:56 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#3 ... It's funny how the proggies used to condemn American soldiers being sent to their deaths for someone or something (usually oil) else. Now they gladly want to send Americans to die over there. ...

I'm not seeing what you seem to be seeing.

From what I've been seeing, the left side seems to be quite concerned about longer-term effects and ramifications of the US abandoning an ally.

Of course not. You're smart with well thought out positions.

Whoever posted that bit of stupid is, well, stupid.

#10 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-14 08:19 AM | Reply

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"It's funny how the proggies used to condemn American soldiers being sent to their deaths for someone or something (usually oil) else."

To Goatman, this is a game, to the rest of us it is a disaster put forth by a leader with allegiance to forein powers and it is nothing to laugh about nor to use terms like "proggies." Get serious fool, this conflict is life and death for people involved.

#11 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-14 08:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Anyone wonder if the NATO mutual defense clause will soon be invoked, to protect a NATO ally that the US allowed to attack a US ally, resulting in the US ally taking up arms with a US enemy against a NATO ally?

Meanwhile in Moscow, Putin and his team have had all their wildest dreams become reality.

And in Washington, Der Dotard thinks he has the 2020 Nobel War Prize sewn up...

#12 | Posted by catdog at 2019-10-14 08:51 AM | Reply

NATO should be meeting right now throwing Turkey out of the alliance. I'm kind of glad we didn't let them have the F35.

#13 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-14 08:54 AM | Reply

Donald didn't see the possibilities for the Kurds because he doesn't understand our relationships with other countries which is just one of the reasons he should not be our President.

#14 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-14 09:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Henry Kissinger once quipped that "it may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal."

#15 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-10-14 09:32 AM | Reply

"Well, Trump is succeeding in getting the US out of Syria... and cementing Russia's presence which now threatens a wider war against Turkey by the newly combined Syrian/Russian/Kurds forces.

Winning?"

For Putin, yes:

Matthew Miller @matthewamiller

Just re-reading the IC assessment of Russian interference in the 2016 election for no reason.

Pro-Kremlin proxy Vladimir Zhirinovskiy, leader of the nationalist Liberal Democratic Party of Russia, proclaimed just before the election that if President-elect Trump won, Russia would "drink champagne" in anticipation of being able to advance its positions on Syria and Ukraine.
www.dni.gov

twitter.com

#16 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10-14 09:41 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Trump's Syria Fiasco Is Part of Putin's To-Do List

Trump tried to keep his talks with Putin at Helsinki last year secret from his staff and the world, but Russia's president held up the checklist for the cameras. Syria was on it.

twitter.com

#17 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10-14 09:44 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

No regime change. No "No Fly Zone". No permanent, illegal occupation.

You neocons are having a bad week.

#18 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-10-14 10:11 AM | Reply

"NATO should be meeting right now throwing Turkey out of the alliance"

If NATO wanted to throw out belligerent, militaristic, war-crime enabling mass murderers, we should have been kicked out long ago.

#19 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-10-14 10:22 AM | Reply

When did Republicans become such a bunch of -------?

Or are they just beholden with the ----- (grabber) in Chief?

Trump is a joke...I don't understand how Republicans...or anyone else for that matter...can support him?

I'm a relatively conservative dude. I'd vote for literally anyone else running for president right now, if it meant getting rid of Trump. Let him write his memoirs...do the speaking circuit...grab some -----...whatever.

#20 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-10-14 01:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I wonder if Trump will order troops back into action against the SDF, now that Syria is moving North to reclaim their northern territories?

I guess it probably depends on how much Erdogan is paying him.

Maybe Assad should simply try to outbid the Turks.

#21 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-10-14 01:36 PM | Reply

Republicans had 16 solid conservatives to choose from. They chose the effeminate Manhattan con-man game show host.

#22 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-10-14 01:42 PM | Reply

#21

That would go against his 'great and unmatched wisdom'. He can't do that.

On second thought, he'll just deny ever saying that.

#23 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-10-14 01:46 PM | Reply

Putin, Assad, and Iran's Rouhani are popping champagne - non-alcoholic in Rouhani's case - over Trump handing them what they could only have dreamed of before Trump pulled U.S. forces out of Syria and handed it over to them.

#24 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-10-14 01:51 PM | Reply

If somebody showed up and illegally occupied your country, you'd celebrate too when they left.

#25 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-10-14 03:27 PM | Reply

#25 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Myself and others have already told you to read about the Ottomans & the Kurds.

Why do you continue to beat a dead horse by insinuating the Kurds are 'occupying' northeastern Syria?

#26 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-10-14 10:59 PM | Reply

#26 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY AT 2019-10-14 10:59 PM | FLAG:

Raqqa isn't NE Syria. Kurd territory before and after the civil war are two very different things. Stop pretending they're not.

#27 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-10-15 07:28 AM | Reply

#27 | Posted by sitzkrieg

You want to totally erase the fact ISIS controlled Raqqa, ISIS 'capital city' before the Kurds came in and recaptured it when no one else could or would.

#28 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-10-15 10:50 AM | Reply

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