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The Hill | Oct 11, 2019

The Intercept's Ryan Grim gives most detailed timeline of Hunter Biden's 'soft corruption'.

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"Soft" corruption is still corruption.

#1 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-10-14 12:44 PM | Reply

No its not, it is only corruption if more than one child of someone in the Executive Branch makes obscene profits off of family connections, and they don't have a (D) after their father's name!

-TonyAroma

#2 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-10-14 12:49 PM | Reply

In general, corruption is a form of dishonesty or criminal activity undertaken by a person or organization entrusted with a position of authority, often to acquire illicit benefit, or, abuse of entrusted power for one's private gain. Corruption may include many activities including bribery and embezzlement, though it may also involve practices that are legal in many countries.[1] Political corruption occurs when an office-holder or other governmental employee acts in an official capacity for personal gain.

en.m.wikipedia.org

Please inform us oh wise Pinch-ocenter exactly what acts committed by Hunter Biden rise to the defined terms of corruption?

What illicit benefit did Hunter Biden bestow upon Burisma that amounts to a corrupt act? What power did Hunter Biden abuse? Who did Hunter Biden bribe or extort?

Hunter Biden's name was obviously part of the reason he was asked to join the board and his business partner's presence and asking was certainly a part of it too. But unseemly does not equal corrupt.

Except for those unwilling to use language as it's defined.

#3 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-10-14 12:57 PM | Reply

#3

Leveraging Daddy's position as Vice President of the US to get a $50K per month seat on a foreign companies Board of Directors in an industry you know nothing about isn't corruption?

1. Person of Authority- VP Joe Biden
2. Illicit gain/private gain- Son getting $600k/yr seat on a board in an industry he knows nothing about because of 1, above.

Oh, that's right, Daddy is a Democrat, so it doesn't count.

"What about Trump's kids? And they are Republicans!"

-TonyAroma

#4 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-10-14 01:09 PM | Reply

#4

Hunter was asked to join the board, he didn't solicit for the position, nor did he demand a specific salary according to all that's been written. The former Ukrainian prosecutor has stated that what a private company pays any employee is their business and violates no Ukraine laws. Why persist in making something illegal that isn't?

Because you have no conscious but to defend the indefensible by obfuscation and outright lies.

ROC you are never qualified to speak for me because you are an imbecile who intentionally distorts simple English sentences.

It does count as unseemly that Hunter received his position because of who he is, but it isn't corrupt unless you tie HIS PARTICIPATION to a corrupt act. And on that all you have is your we-we in your hand and little else.

Enjoy yourself.

#5 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-10-14 01:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"Hunter was asked to join the board, he didn't solicit for the position, nor did he demand a specific salary according to all that's been written."

Yeah, and you are absolutely certain that had nothing to do with the fact that his Daddy was VP of the United States of America and was all about his superb qualifications to sit on the Board of Directors of a Ukrainian Energy company.

"Because you have no conscious but to defend the indefensible by obfuscation and outright lies."

Point out, in the my sentence above, what is untrue.

Unseemly indeed.

#6 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-10-14 01:48 PM | Reply

Yeah, and you are absolutely certain that had nothing to do with the fact that his Daddy was VP of the United States of America and was all about his superb qualifications to sit on the Board of Directors of a Ukrainian Energy company.

LOL so you've been presenting insinuation as fact?

#7 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-14 02:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

When the Leader of your Party is Donald Trump, your room to talk about SUSPECTED corruption in other politician's children is.... tiny. Much like your brain, obviously, and much like your dick, presumably.

#8 | Posted by Corky at 2019-10-14 02:01 PM | Reply

I've stayed out of Tony's little argument regarding the actual definition of "corruption". He's right in that it's really cronyism...and not necessarily corruption.

But tell us.....what is the point of putting someone on the board who is obviously unqualified? Just for ----- and giggles? What did this company hope to gain?

There was a point....and it was hopefully to get something out of it. I don't know what that is and I'm sure someone is trying to find out. I don't really care.

But that company wanted something......something other than an excuse to just throw that money out the window.

And whatever that was......Joe Biden knew it.

#9 | Posted by eberly at 2019-10-14 02:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#7

Reread that sentence as many times as you need to understand that I am exaggerating Tony's position that there is really no corruption or corrupt motives, just that it is kind of "unseemly."

#10 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-10-14 03:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#8

Translation: I got nothing except for my fantasies about your penis size.

#11 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-10-14 03:11 PM | Reply

Please inform us oh wise Pinch-ocenter exactly what acts committed by Hunter Biden rise to the defined terms of corruption?

#3 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

Politics is the art of the possible.

Hunter Biden getting mountains of cash for sitting on his ass on boards from Ukraine to China is every bit as bad as Trump's douchebag kids cashing in from President Donnie Tiny Hands and his corruption inside the WH.

It ALL looks terrible -- and splitting hairs in trying to explain it all away is what ...

1. turns off voters in general.

2. pushes those working and middle-class voters who do vote into voting for the fake populist Donald Trump.

3. and has Neoliberal Democrats instead refusing to advocate real policies that would actually improve the lives of working and middle-class Americans, which would also win elections for Democrats.

Liberal author Thomas Frank calls this situation a betrayal, which it is, by Democrats like Bill and Hillary Clinton, Obama, Dem Establishment types like Biden., etc.

This is what Neoliberalism looks like, and this is what's been going on for a long time now, especially so since Bill Clinton became president.

#12 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-10-14 03:24 PM | Reply

It's way too early in the election season to turn the current three person race into a Sanders and Warren race so Biden has to be protected. At all costs. If Biden drops out (I think he probably should under the circumstances) then the msm can't ignore Sanders the way they've been doing so far. The Clinton/Warren wing of the Democratic party can not, and will not allow that to happen.

#13 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2019-10-14 03:32 PM | Reply

If it is legal then it is smart.

#14 | Posted by bored at 2019-10-14 03:37 PM | Reply

Point out, in the my sentence above, what is untrue.

Did I say that my comment was related to "your sentence above"?

For an attorney you make a hell of a lot of wrong assumptions.

Leveraging Daddy's position as Vice President of the US to get a $50K per month seat on a foreign companies Board of Directors in an industry you know nothing about isn't corruption?

Oh, that's right, Daddy is a Democrat, so it doesn't count.

-TonyAroma

ROC

"Daddy" got the prosecutor fired who CLEARED Burisma of wrongdoing and brought on another prosecutor that reopened an investigation into the company which resulted in fines and reprimands.

So you tell us, numbnuts, how did Hunter HELP Burisma as it regards his father? Only idiots ignore the reality of what actually happened to lie and invent scenarios and speculations of things that didn't.

It is a lie that I said that Hunter's actions "didn't count." Never. Said. It.
It is a lie that Biden's board seat or pay were "corrupt" because they have never fit the definition which Ebs agreed with above. It is cronyism:

Bringing aboard a son of the U.S. vice president was part of a broad effort by Burisma to burnish its credentials that had started before the 2014 uprising. The company tapped Alan Apter, an investment banker who has worked in the United States and Europe, as its board chairman, and the former president of Poland as a board member. Burisma had brought in a new executive team and hired established international firms to audit its reserves and financial results.

The addition of prominent Americans and Europeans to the company's board in the weeks after Kiev's dramatic change in government sent a message internally in Ukraine that Zlochevsky had access to powerful people in the West, according to Bullough, who wrote about Zlochevsky in "Moneyland," his book on tax havens and shell companies.

www.washingtonpost.com

It is not "corrupt" to take a position that helps a company's/owner's own PR. It's done everyday.

Learn the underlying facts and stop ignoring what has been established as the chronology of events (everything Burisma was being investigated for PRECEDED the seating of the new board, including Hunter Biden - there hasn't been a single allegation of wrongdoing leveled against Burisma since Hunter joined the board). Then perhaps you wouldn't have to stand there holding yourself looking like the uninformed fool and liar your comments show you to be.

#15 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-10-14 04:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- I got nothing except for my fantasies about your penis size.

#11 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

You'll get over it one day... well, there's always hope.

#16 | Posted by Corky at 2019-10-14 04:44 PM | Reply

#15

The lady doth protest too much, methinks...

#17 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-10-14 04:44 PM | Reply

just that it is kind of "unseemly."

#10 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

You folks have some amazing gall.

After the corruption of this President??

Yeah. What about Biden ? How dare his son make money!! It is just amazing you trumpeters have the nerve. After what Trump has put this Country thru.

If Hunter is "corrupt" what in the hell do you call Trumps crimes? Executive Privilege?? Trump thinks he is above the law. He is now. The constitution is designed to weed out infestations like Trump. Time to see if it still works.

The appearance of corruption is not corruption. Corruption is corruption.

(See the Trumpino Crime Family for details)

#18 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-10-14 05:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#18

LOL, see #17.

#19 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-10-14 05:07 PM | Reply

The lady doth protest too much, methinks...

ROC

Thou doesn't think. If thou did, thou would keep thine trap shut instead of repeatedly sticking thine own hypocritical feet into it time and time again.

ROC: Giving the Black Knight a run for thine money, stump after bloody stump.

Don't worry, we're all laughing at you not with you. LOL!

#20 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-10-14 05:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#20

When all is lost, declare victory and run away!

-TonyAroma

#21 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-10-14 05:16 PM | Reply

Nobody's running oh Black Knight.

Seems you can't get anything right today.....

#22 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-10-14 05:19 PM | Reply

The funny thing, Tony, is that you have posted numerous threads over the past several years calling the Trump kids corrupt, but when it is your #Team, it is now "unseemly".

The fact that you are so vehemently defending this when you have decried people who have an (R) after their name doing the same thing is, shall we say, also "unseemly."

#23 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-10-14 05:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The funny thing, Tony, is that you have posted numerous threads over the past several years calling the Trump kids corrupt, but when it is your #Team, it is now "unseemly".

You need to back up your faulty memory with some examples ROC. For the most part I don't comment on the Trump kids, I stick to Trump himself since he's the POTUS and they're not.

Do I feel aspects of their business reach the threshold of corruption? Certainly, as GTB established on another thread. Hunter Biden's activities are not in anyway corrupt to the degree the Trump kids' business connections appear to be because there is no illicit link to anything criminal or fraudulent. You can't call something corrupt without connecting corruption (as defined) to whatever you claim is.

I've never called for investigations nor anything as it relates to Congress looking into the Trump kids' businesses. I don't have a team as it regards corruption, I have a definition that I stick to regardless of who is being talked about.

It's called consistency, not partisanship.

#24 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-10-14 05:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

For example, the Trump kids have been banned by New York state from ever running a charitable foundation in that state again because of the actual fraudulent way the Trump Foundation was run under their leadership.

This is corruption in my eyes too because the law already established that it was. So pointing out that the participants are corrupt in this case is a matter of fact, not conjecture.

#25 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-10-14 05:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

China gave him $1.5 billion to buy a dual-use company that also makes stabilizers for beam weapons, and ship it to China.

#26 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-10-14 07:14 PM | Reply

#26 You got evidence of that?

www.politifact.com

How large was the value of the Bank of China deal?

A Wall Street Journal article about the firm published in July 2014 reported that the firm was "aiming to raise about $1.5 billion." This means that, a full six months after Hunter Biden left China, the $1.5 billion figure was aspirational, not confirmed. This undermines Trump's version of events, which is that Biden quickly pocketed $1.5 billion after a meeting while the elder Biden was vice president.

Mesires said that, in any case, the $1.5 billion amount was never reached. The investment fund raised about $4.2 million "from various sources," Mesires said, without citing further detail. That would be a fraction of what Trump said.

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Stop listening to what Fat Nixon blathers about. It will help you in the long run as he is a liar.

#27 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-10-15 08:16 AM | Reply

Thread where TR is arrested for assault and blog battery on RoCotton.

Good stuff!

#28 | Posted by Corky at 2019-10-16 02:33 AM | Reply

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