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Tuesday, October 15, 2019

The effort to pressure Ukraine for political help provoked a heated confrontation inside the White House last summer that so alarmed John R. Bolton, then the national security adviser, that he told an aide to alert White House lawyers, House investigators were told on Monday.

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OMG, I can't wait to watch the Usual Idiots of the DR Left praise Bolton...

#1 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-10-14 11:52 PM | Reply

OMG, I can't wait to watch the Usual Idiots of the DR Left praise Bolton...

Good bet donald will twitterttack him from the throne room before that happens.

#2 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-10-15 12:05 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Mr. Bolton got into a sharp exchange on July 10 with Gordon D. Sondland, the Trump donor turned ambassador to the European Union, who was working with Rudolph W. Giuliani, the president's personal lawyer, to press Ukraine to investigate Democrats, according to testimony provided to the investigators.

Mr. Bolton instructed Fiona Hill, the senior director for Russian and Eurasian affairs, to notify the chief lawyer for the National Security Council that Mr. Giuliani was working with Mick Mulvaney, the acting White House chief of staff, on a rogue operation with legal implications, Ms. Hill told the investigators, according to two people familiar with her closed-door testimony.

"I am not part of whatever drug deal Rudy and Mulvaney are cooking up," Mr. Bolton, a Yale-trained lawyer, told Ms. Hill to tell White House lawyers, according to the testimony.

It was not the first time Mr. Bolton expressed grave concerns to Ms. Hill about Mr. Giuliani. "Giuliani's a hand grenade who's going to blow everybody up," Ms. Hill quoted Mr. Bolton as saying during an earlier conversation.

Can we please stop pretending that there is any mystery left as to what all this means? Donald Trump is running critical US foreign policy through an unelected gadfly, some Soviet-born stooges, and who knows who else, ignoring every single analytical mechanism of government put in place to strategically guide him in seeking the nation's best interests unrelated to his own.

Why can't Americans agree that we've now passed a point that needn't have been passed where years of strategic planning and multilateral cooperation had forged an equilibrium that kept nasty forces in something that could be called in check? Now, due to the decision of one man, historically ignorant and callous to all the sacrifice that won the status quo, carnage and atrocity has reemerged while battles rage on as former allies become new allies of the opposition for the sake of their own survival.

Syria, Russia, Iran and ISIS all seem to be the beneficiaries of Trump's unilateral retreat but it's highly unlikely that those now living in today's battlefields won't be the only ones who end up suffering loss due to Trump's actions.

#3 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-10-15 12:06 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Donald Trump is running critical US foreign policy through an unelected gadfly, some Soviet-born stooges, and who knows who else, ignoring every single analytical mechanism of government put in place to strategically guide him in seeking the nation's best interests unrelated to his own....

#3 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

This is what happens when one branch of a supposed co-equal branch of government willingly cedes powers to another branch.

You are railing against the symptom(s) whilst ignoring the cause.

#4 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-10-15 12:10 AM | Reply

ROC,

Don't you get tired using your brain to hold Trump's ------- from falling? Sometimes things are positive or negative because they are regardless of the history of the one on the correct side of an analysis.

I don't agree with Bolton on much if anything, but his admittance that Trump was breaking the law and that Rudy was a "hand grenade" are both spot on. Patriotism often has no party.

Too bad your obsession keeps you from realizing the issue here is who's unquestionably right and who's wrong, not who's left or who's right.

#5 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-10-15 12:10 AM | Reply

Aww, Tony is tired of the beatings, I guess they will have to continue until his morale improves...

#6 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-10-15 12:13 AM | Reply

Tony,

I'll give you all sorts of political ---- if the Fighting Irish lose in Ann Arbor in a couple of weeks - which I don't think will happen.

In the meantime I will mostly lay low, not because I don't want to deconstruct your so-called "arguments' but because I don't want you to parry with a partisan sports victory.

You'd better pray for a Notre Dame victory because it's the only layer of protection you have against me eviscerating every argument you've ever made...about anything...ever.

#7 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-10-15 12:18 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

This is what happens when one branch of a supposed co-equal branch of government willingly cedes powers to another branch.

If you're going war powers here, then there's no debate. But Trump's behavior is far beyond just war powers. He is ignoring congressional oversight. He's abusing his power and denying that applicable laws and norms apply to him because the majority members of that other equal branch are from the other political party than he is, ergo everything they do or say is ignorable because politics. Doesn't matter what the law says, doesn't matter what precedence is. Doesn't matter that his own party gave greater subpoena power to the majority in the House while the opposition's president was still in the White House and in their opinion, needed to be more scrutinized.

It doesn't matter. His stance is one of open defiance and whole ignorance, actually believing that the SCOTUS hasn't already ruled that they have no sayso over congressional impeachment proceedings codified in the Nixon (not the President, but the judge) case from the 70s. Trump is making up US foreign policy on the fly, to benefit his goals and desires, not those of the US.

I'd hope that his behavior could bring agreement about that simple fact and acknowledgement of its absence before in American history.

#8 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-10-15 12:21 AM | Reply

#7

Bring it on Scissorhands. But you better pack more than a couple pairs of khakis for the fight.

Schitstains aren't becoming and they stink to high heaven so you'll definitely need to change a couple times before I'm done with you.

#9 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-10-15 12:24 AM | Reply

Tony,

My hope is that congress reasserts a LOT of its powers as a result of the Trump-era.

I don't think it wlll happen though. Rule by executive and judicial-fiat is are easier for both sides to enact an agenda than actually legislating.

#10 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-10-15 12:26 AM | Reply

#9 | POSTED BY TONYROMA<

I laughed out loud. Thank you, for that.

In this highly-divided era we need to remind ourselves that real human beings exist on the varying ends of the spectrum.

PS - I laughed harder the second time I read your post.

#11 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-10-15 12:30 AM | Reply

OMG, I can't wait to watch the Usual Idiots of the DR Left praise Bolton...

#1 | Posted by Rightocenter

Maybe you could stop being such a manchild and recognize how bad it must be if Bolton objected.

But stupid games are most important, right?

#12 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-15 01:00 AM | Reply

You are railing against the symptom(s) whilst ignoring the cause.

#4 | Posted by JeffJ

You have to stop the bleeding before you repair the artery.

Impeaching Trump is a tourniquet that doesn't solve the problem but is a necessary step to do so.

#13 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-15 01:03 AM | Reply

Aww, Tony is tired of the beatings, I guess they will have to continue until his morale improves...

#6 | Posted by Rightocenter

From you and your lame drive by posts? ppffftt.

#14 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-15 01:04 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"You are railing against the symptom(s) whilst ignoring the cause."

Setting aside whether that's the case,

And ignoring that in some cases -- not necessarily this one -- we can't always treat the cause:

That's no reason not to treat the symptoms.

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-10-15 02:39 AM | Reply

It's funny when John Bolton is held up as an example of a right-winger with moral integrity.

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-10-15 02:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

OMG, I can't wait to watch the Usual Idiots of the DR Left praise Bolton...

#1 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

And the naked partisanship shines right through.

PICK YOUR SIDE! If you EVER agree with anyone from the "other side" then you are a hypocrite. Gotta support that tribalism.

YOU built that.

#17 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-10-15 09:00 AM | Reply

#1 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

And, yes... that is a logical fallacy. Intended to stifle debate instead of actually addressing the issue at hand.

Trying to SHAME any leftist who might CONSIDER agreeing with someone from the other side into not speaking up.

This toxic partisan culture in the US... people like YOU is what is driving it.

#18 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-10-15 09:04 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

The reason why the "what the left/right now loves person X" type comments are stupid is because that's not necessarily true nor is it why these sorts of stories are newsworthy.

I don't know if I'd hold Bolton up as a Repub with moral integrity.

But I do know that as a man involved in disastrous foreign policy ventures during the Bush years, it has to be really really bad or illegal Repub foreign policy moves for him to be against it.

It's always newsworthy when a member of the same "team" dissents publicly and the greater the dissension, the more newsworthy it is.

And in this case, we have a dissenter taking down a POTUS in their own party.

#19 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-15 09:06 AM | Reply

Tune in later this week to see and hear Gordon Sondland either
-perjure himself
-refuse to answer any questions, except under a grant of immunity, or
-praise Trump in a manner like that of the Toadie in "The Road Warrior" praises The Humungus

Afterward, viewers will enjoy yucks a plenty from expert political commentators Hoda Kotb, Michael Strahan and the weekend weather gal from the Fox affiliate in Erie, Pa.

Friends, we're in big trouble...

#20 | Posted by catdog at 2019-10-15 09:11 AM | Reply

OMG, I can't wait to watch the Usual Idiots of the DR Left praise Bolton...

#1 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2019-10-14 11:52 PM | REPLY

Praise him for exposing a freelance, illegal foreign policy designed to advance the political interests of The Dotard? Yes.
Praise him for being a neocon warmonger? No.

This really isn't difficult to understand.

#21 | Posted by anton at 2019-10-15 09:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

OMG, I can't wait to watch the Usual Idiots of the DR "right" RINO Bolton

#22 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-10-15 09:26 AM | Reply

#22 | POSTED BY CHIEFTUTMOSES

Oohhh... I like that one. Counter RoC's logical fallacy by positing that his ilk will likely commit another one (no true scotsman) that is common for them in this situation. And it is structured like a "whataboutism", but isn't because it isn't deflecting from the actual topic.

I can appreciate it from so many levels.

#23 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-10-15 09:39 AM | Reply

For years and years Bolton has been portrayed as pure evil.

Now that he's saying what lefties want to hear....well, all of a sudden he's to be taken seriously?

Maybe this is a case of the proverbial blind squirrel finding a nut?

#24 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-10-15 10:13 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"well, all of a sudden he's to be taken seriously?"

Only if he has receipts.

"Maybe this is a case of the proverbial blind squirrel finding a nut?"

Or it could be a case of: the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Time will tell.

#25 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10-15 10:17 AM | Reply

Personally, I'd rather take the word of career people beneath Bolton, who have less of a personal ax to grind. At this point, Bolton could just be CYA. That's why I said receipts are necessary.

#26 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10-15 10:23 AM | Reply

"OMG, I can't wait to watch the Usual Idiots of the DR Left praise Bolton..."

OMG, I can't wait for some idiot here to pretend that those of us who didn't support John Bolten as National Security Advisor need to also ignore his opinions about the lunatic in Chief's dealings with Ukraine. Even if I disagree with people like Bolton I still listen to what they say and in this case he's right.

#27 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-15 10:28 AM | Reply

"Now that he's saying what lefties want to hear....well, all of a sudden he's to be taken seriously?"

We can't know if we should take him seriously but we do know better than just to ignore him. Or would you rather we believe, without question, the man who appointed him National Security Advisor? The one person we know is a liar and who we should not listen to, is Donald Trump. That is really the only thing, in this crazy time, that we know for sure.

#28 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-15 10:30 AM | Reply

Looks like Jeff is jumping on the hyper-partisanship bandwagon. Though, I will give him the benefit of the doubt...

Please explain why you think that John Bolton should have no credibility to liberals on this subject. What about his past actions or biases would make liberals think that, on this subject, he is being either untruthful or his interpretation of events is so biased as to be useless as a datapoint?

And then explain why YOU think he is not credible. I assume that you DON'T think he is credible on this subject for some reason. Because otherwise you would be arguing that liberals SHOULD NOT believe him even though YOU do think he is being truthful and his conclusions are not overly biased. Which would seem to indicate that you are just spreading FUD?

So, what about John Bolton's past actions or biases make YOU think that, on this subject, he is being either untruthful or his interpretation of events is so biased as to be useless as a datapoint?

#29 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-10-15 10:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

For years and years Bolton has been portrayed as pure evil.

Now that he's saying what lefties want to hear....well, all of a sudden he's to be taken seriously?

Can we please stop using this lame ass argument?

It's beyond stupid and intellectually shallow.

#30 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-15 11:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

When you've reached the point where John "Bomb Bomb" Bolton thinks you've violated ethical standards, you've really gone beyond the norm for corruption.

#31 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-10-15 11:32 AM | Reply

OMG, I can't wait to watch the Usual Idiots of the DR Left praise Bolton...

#1 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Ok, I'll bite and praise Bolton.
Good job by him on joining in on committing a crime. He's at least as smart as my 10 year old nephew who told his friend he wouldn't shoplift with him. I still wouldn't support my nephew for serving in the White House.

Is that what you wanted to hear?

#32 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2019-10-15 02:58 PM | Reply

"Now that he's saying what lefties want to hear....well, all of a sudden he's to be taken seriously?"

What do you mean, "all of a sudden?"
Bolton is one of warmongering architects of the disaster that is Iraq.
Something liberals opposed before the invasion even happened.

Your revisionist history sucks, and it exists only to troll liberals so you can feel better about supporting Republicans, and the worst part is, you don't even realize that's what you're doing.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-10-15 04:50 PM | Reply

FakeLawyer needs to pick a side.

American or Russian?

#34 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-10-15 08:44 PM | Reply

OMG, I can't wait to watch the Usual Idiots of the DR Left praise Bolton...

This is such a stupid "argument."

Unless someone said, "John Bolton is wrong about everything," what's to stop them from acknowledging the gravity of a POS like Bolton being alarmed by something that even he wouldn't touch?

#35 | Posted by JOE at 2019-10-16 11:26 AM | Reply

Can we please stop pretending that there is any mystery left as to what all this means? Donald Trump is running critical US foreign policy through an unelected gadfly, some Soviet-born stooges, and who knows who else, ignoring every single analytical mechanism of government put in place to strategically guide him in seeking the nation's best interests unrelated to his own.
Why can't Americans agree that we've now passed a point that needn't have been passed where years of strategic planning and multilateral cooperation had forged an equilibrium that kept nasty forces in something that could be called in check? Now, due to the decision of one man, historically ignorant and callous to all the sacrifice that won the status quo, carnage and atrocity has reemerged while battles rage on as former allies become new allies of the opposition for the sake of their own survival.
Syria, Russia, Iran and ISIS all seem to be the beneficiaries of Trump's unilateral retreat but it's highly unlikely that those now living in today's battlefields won't be the only ones who end up suffering loss due to Trump's actions.

#3 | POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2019-10-15 12:06 AM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 1

Translation: Tony watches the Adam Schiff channel 24/7.

#36 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-10-16 03:29 PM | Reply

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