Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Tuesday, October 15, 2019

The announcement may signal Russia is moving to fill a security vacuum left by the U.S. withdrawal and illustrates how the power balance in the region is rapidly shifting.

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Yes. Watch it unfold. Trump folks his pockets by selling America's power.

#1 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-10-15 10:39 AM | Reply

The supporters of this are on the far right and the far left. Beware.

#2 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-10-15 10:40 AM | Reply

Nice going, Trump (/snark off)

#3 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-10-15 10:41 AM | Reply

I'm not going to deny the seriousness or tragic nature of this.

But am I the only one who finds the headline here a bit... overly suggestive?

#4 | Posted by RevDarko at 2019-10-15 10:48 AM | Reply

Not bad.

Not bad at all.

#5 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-10-15 10:48 AM | Reply

The headline is accurate.

#6 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-10-15 10:50 AM | Reply

Didn't say it wasn't, Bruce. I'm just a dirty old man.

#7 | Posted by RevDarko at 2019-10-15 10:56 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

Ah! I suddenly got it. Thanks for the laugh.

#8 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-10-15 10:57 AM | Reply

Yeeeeeeaaaahhhh ol' Trumple thinskin has Putin right where he want's them. Cool the Russians got to annex another country without firing a shot. Way to stand up to them... teach them Muslims how to negotiate.

#9 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-10-15 11:05 AM | Reply

And once they start controlling oil fields does anybody think they won't suddenyl become Russian?

#10 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-15 11:08 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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Putin's Syria Gambit Delivers Again as Trump Sidelines U.S.
www.bloomberg.com

...The Turkish troops who poured into Syria to battle Kurdish fighters abandoned by the U.S. may have inadvertently handed Russian President Vladimir Putin a strategic victory in the Middle East.

Less than a week after Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan ordered the intervention, Russia underlined its dominance in the region by warning of the limits of its patience with the operation. The Kremlin's message came after President Donald Trump imposed sanctions on Turkey that left many in Congress unimpressed following his withdrawal of the last 1,000 U.S. troops from territory held by the Kurds for seven years during the Syrian war.

"We have always called on Turkey to exercise restraint and considered any military operation in Syria unacceptable," Putin's special envoy for Syria, Alexander Lavrentiev, said Tuesday in Abu Dhabi, where the Russian president was meeting with United Arab Emirates leaders. "Security along the Turkish-Syrian border must be ensured by deploying government troops."

Putin has seized on the crisis to maneuver Syrian government forces into Kurdish-held territory, a major step in his efforts to restore President Bashar al-Assad's control over all of the country after Russia's military intervention tipped the war in his favor....



#11 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-10-15 11:10 AM | Reply

Actually, this is the 'vision' of many US libertarians. No foreign involvements. Focus only on the US. Don't play policeman to the world or feel we have the right/duty to intervene willy nilly. And now we are obviously seeing the downside of this very narrow vision of US power. We get pushed aside and out adversaries fill the void.

#12 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-10-15 11:13 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"And now we are obviously seeing the downside of this very narrow vision of US power. We get pushed aside and out adversaries fill the void.

#12 | POSTED BY MODER8 AT 2019-10-15 11:13 AM "

Great. Let them "fill the void" and get bogged down and waste their resources being the world's police.

What's so special about being the world's policie, moder8?

I'm still gobsmacked by the 180 so many proggies have taken. They used to be the ones saying bring our troops home and telling the righties if they want US soldiers fighting overseas, they need to enlist or shut up.

Have you enlisted, moder8? Or do you sit safely in your La-Z-Boy and send soldiers over there to do your wishful fighting?

#13 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-15 11:19 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Just a couple of days ago I had this exchange about how Russia would benefit from this move...

W ho knew? Certainly not you, when who sharted this drivel:

It's starting to look a lot like Putin is calling in his markers, and Donny is dragging his whole crew with him - Rudy, Barr, Pence, Pompeo, hell, even Rick Perry seems to be getting dragged. Abandoning the Kurds is a tell: politically, it makes no sense for him to have done that - piss off at least half of the Republicans in the Senate who were sitting on the impeachment fence? That had to have been a deal he cut with Erdogan on behalf of his Russian boss.

#109 | Posted by chuffy

Russia wanted Turkey to regain control of it's Syrian border? Your balls are going to be permanently tatooed at the rate you're going. Then again, the level of informed discourse on the DR has pretty well reached nil. You'll probably get some strokes within a few posts.
#150 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

#14 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-10-15 11:27 AM | Reply

"I'm still gobsmacked by the 180 so many proggies have taken."

Because you ignore the chain of events that led to this. We didn't recommend invading and occupying Iraq, everything that came after that is still on Bush/Cheney whether or not you are intelligent enough to understand that. None of us ever wanted to invade Syria but when ISIS, which arose out of the ashes of the Iraq invasion, our country felt an obligation to defend the people whose military and police we had completely destroyed. Should we have just left them to be slaughtered by ISIS? WE, inadvertently created ISIS, it may be fun for Libertarians today to deny responsibility but sorry, the Pottery Barn Rule still applies whether you like it or not.

#15 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-15 11:31 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Bears repeating:

I'm still gobsmacked by the 180 so many proggies have taken. They used to be the ones saying bring our troops home and telling the righties if they want US soldiers fighting overseas, they need to enlist or shut up.

Danni's inane blathering aside, Syria is not our problem, they have always been a client state of first the USSR and now Russia. Our removing 1500 troops from a country that is not an ally isn't creating a geopolitical power vacuum no matter how bad your TDS is.

#16 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-10-15 11:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I'm still gobsmacked by the 180 so many proggies have taken

I'm all for bringing our troops home. But when you involve yourself in international military affairs, there's a right and a wrong way to draw down your presence. Abruptly abandoning your allies and letting them be slaughtered, calling into question your trustworthiness worldwide, is not the right way.

But that might be too much nuance for a doddering old troll

#17 | Posted by JOE at 2019-10-15 11:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Wow I was just looking at how republicl0wnery has shifted.

The Rumsfeld memo, dated Oct. 16, 2003 and first reported by USA Today on Wednesday, offered a much starker assessment of the global war on terrorism than contained in Rumsfeld's public statements.
"It is pretty clear that the coalition can win in Afghanistan and Iraq in one way or another, but it will be a long, hard slog," he wrote.

ISIS is a by product of Iraq.

Now the clowns are talking "cut and run".

Haven't won a war in over 70 years.

#18 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-10-15 11:45 AM | Reply

the Pottery Barn Rule still applies whether you like it or not.

Why? If Iraq was a mistake, so was leaving, so was going into Syria, so was getting involved in this whole situation for no valid reason really.

Libertarians such as myself, didn't want to enter Iraq either, but Hillary sure did.

Russian and Syria go way back because of Israel. I have never understood Russian hostility towards Israel other than its allies.

Should we have just left them to be slaughtered by ISIS?

Other than Israel I really don't care, its a hell hole of tribalism the likes of which knows no bounds, just look at all the splinter groups that hate the US.

The middle east to Paraphrase the Monty Python ...

"Judean People's Front. We're the People's Front of Judea!"

"The only people we hate more than the Americans are the ------- Judean People's Front."

It hasn't changed in centuries......

What ever happened to CodePink? I recall "Democrats" loving this group when it protested Bush, disappeared under Obama,

Why haven't they made a comeback with Trump?

#19 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-10-15 11:48 AM | Reply

"But that might be too much nuance for a doddering old troll

#17 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2019-10-15 11:39 AM "

I'll bet the sheer irony of that sentence flew right over your head, didn't it? Here, let me help:

In Internet slang, a troll is a person who starts quarrels or upsets people on the Internet to distract and sow discord by posting inflammatory and digressive ...messages

Again, the proggie double standard.

Physician, heal thyself

#20 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-15 11:48 AM | Reply

I'm glad you found a way not to respond.

#21 | Posted by JOE at 2019-10-15 11:50 AM | Reply

ISIS is a by product of Iraq. - RiR

By product of Obama leaving Iraq, Obama ran on it.... there was no stopping Democrats at the time, thats why Danni's post is so hilarious.

ISIS got its power by taking oil fields for $$$.

How the 2011 US Troop Withdrawal from Iraq Led to the Rise of ISIS
smallwarsjournal.com

#22 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-10-15 11:51 AM | Reply

posting inflammatory and digressive ...messages

Given that statement, if RCade banned trolls, half of the DRLeft would be banned.....

#23 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-10-15 11:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

The Russians and Syrians have been allied for years. The Kurds now have an agreement with Russia to help defend against the Turks. Once the dust settles, let them sort it. We'll have our bases in Turkey when we've had enough with Iran.

#24 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-10-15 11:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Why? If Iraq was a mistake, so was leaving, so was going into Syria, so was getting involved in this whole situation for no valid reason really."

Call Colin Powell and ask him to explain the "Pottery Barn Rule" to you.

#25 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-15 12:01 PM | Reply

"I'm glad you found a way not to respond.

#21 | POSTED BY JOE"

???

I did respond: first o the topic of the thread in post 13, then I responded to your trolling of my response.

reading is fundamental, Joe.

Have your last word. Again, a proggie initiated an attack on me, and probably I'll get blamed for it by your proggie friends since I responded.

Own your words, Joe. If you are going to call someone a troll, don't be be.

Got it?

#26 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-15 12:01 PM | Reply

^...don't be one.

#27 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-15 12:05 PM | Reply

I'm glad Liberals are starting to get what they wanted from the US. The less we have to be the world's police, the less whining we have to listen to. We can spend those resources on things that need to be spent on, which is what Liberals have been crying for for decades (except when it is a Con doing it of course, then we see Libs all of a sudden do a 180). But even with the 180, it still is a positive move for the US.

#28 | Posted by humtake at 2019-10-15 12:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"How the 2011 US Troop Withdrawal from Iraq Led to the Rise of ISIS"

HOw stupid. The invasion created ISIS or more specifically the firing of their military and police. Blaming the withdrawl requires us to remember the God Damned Facts that we should never have invaded over Yellow Cake, aluminum tubes and other lies repeated by the Bush/Cheney administration that you believed entirely. Who do you newly minted "peaceniks" think you're fooling today? Laughable! Didn't see you at the protests pre-invasion.

#29 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-15 12:07 PM | Reply

"I'm glad Liberals are starting to get what they wanted from the US. The less we have to be the world's police, the less whining we have to listen to. We can spend those resources on things that need to be spent on, which is what Liberals have been crying for for decades (except when it is a Con doing it of course, then we see Libs all of a sudden do a 180). But even with the 180, it still is a positive move for the US."

Another newly minted "peacenik" who thihnks we can't remember who he used to be. Hilarious! Didn't see you at the preinvasion protest either Hum. You guys are hilarious. And stupid to think we don't remember who you are.

#30 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-15 12:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Have your last word. Again, a proggie initiated an attack on me"

I work on a computer, actually two all day long every work day. If I am going to repeat a line every day and often multiple times a day, I save it so I don't have to repeat it. Just a tip Goat.

#31 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-15 12:13 PM | Reply

--If I am going to repeat a line every day and often multiple times a day, I save it so I don't have to repeat it"

Probably a good idea for keyboard warriors who think what they are doing on the retort is very, very important.

#32 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-10-15 12:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#16 it only bears repeating if you're into simplistic, inane blatherings of a blog troll.

#33 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-15 12:20 PM | Reply

"If I am going to repeat a line every day and often multiple times a day, I save it so I don't have to repeat it. Just a tip Goat.

#31 | POSTED BY DANNI "

Considering your deflection and avoidance of mentioning of Joe's trolling of me, I presume you approve of it, Danni -- even though I said nothing at all to him? And it seems you aren't pleased that I admonished him for it.

Pretty much just like I said would happen...

#34 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-15 12:21 PM | Reply

Given that statement, if RCade banned trolls, half of the DRLeft would be banned.....

#23 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

So you do actually believe the garbage you post?

Here I've been giving you the benefit of the doubt that you were just dim and repeated what you heard around you like a slow child.

#35 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-15 12:22 PM | Reply

"#16 it only bears repeating if you're into simplistic, inane blatherings of a blog troll.

#33 | POSTED BY JPW "

Do you have a valid on-topic rebuttal, or just the logical fallacy of ad hominem?

#36 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-15 12:24 PM | Reply

GOAT-TROLL can't stop his trolling, can he? LOL

#37 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-10-15 12:29 PM | Reply

Out to make manure out of every single thread....

#38 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-10-15 12:29 PM | Reply

I'm still gobsmacked by the 180 so many proggies have taken.

#13 | Posted by goatman at

You're gob-smacked none of us wanted out friends the Kurds betrayed and harmed?

I think Trump was, too. The only good thing to come of this is how he's getting his ass burned now.

#39 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-15 12:36 PM | Reply

We can spend those resources on things that need to be spent on

#28 | Posted by humtake at 2019

Can we do this without humiliating the country in the process? Of is humiliation another under-appreciated aspect of Trump's genius?

#40 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-15 12:38 PM | Reply

I'm glad Liberals are starting to get what they wanted from the US. The less we have to be the world's police, the less whining we have to listen to. We can spend those resources on things that need to be spent on, which is what Liberals have been crying for for decades (except when it is a Con doing it of course, then we see Libs all of a sudden do a 180). But even with the 180, it still is a positive move for the US.

#28 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE AT 2019-10-15 12:06 PM | REPLY |

When has a con ever spent money on things that NEED to be spent on? The cons cut spending on all of those things so they could give tax breaks to corporations and buy more toys for the military that they don't want or need. Assisted living for Grandma? Heck no we need to park more tanks in the Nevada desert. Food stamps? Not when we can spend $120 million lobbing 75 ineffective cruise missiles to make cool smudge marks on a desert runway. but housing and raises for the troops? nah. not from cons.

#41 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-10-15 12:39 PM | Reply

Can we do this without humiliating the country in the process? Or is humiliation another under-appreciated aspect of Trump's genius?

#42 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-15 12:39 PM | Reply

Is it reflexive support, or do Trumpites really believe that Donald did anything in Syria other than created a pile of ---- and then decide to step in it?

I mean, really? Is there any combination of events and outcomes that will let you admit he's just done a bad job?

#43 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-15 12:41 PM | Reply

Interesting, Liberals want us to save the Kurds by sending in troops and now their arch enemy Russia is going in to save them. So I would assume that Russia is now a darling of the left?

#44 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-10-15 12:44 PM | Reply

Interesting, Liberals want us to save the Kurds by sending in troops and now their arch enemy Russia is going in to save them. So I would assume that Russia is now a darling of the left?

#44 | Posted by fishpaw

No, you're just an idiot.

As usual.

#45 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-15 12:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

So I would assume that Russia is now a darling of the left?

#44 | Posted by fishpaw

Is there any combination of events and outcomes that will let you admit Trump's just done a bad job?

#46 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-15 12:55 PM | Reply

#44 | Posted by fishpaw

I'm just curious: What part of national humiliation don't you understand?

#47 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-15 12:57 PM | Reply

Someone compared what Trump is doing to the Kurds to the Bay of Pigs, but it is obviously much worse.

#48 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-15 12:58 PM | Reply

At what point do Trumpites feel simple embarrassment? Or are they really beyond shame, as some have alleged?

#49 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-15 12:59 PM | Reply

"No, you're just an idiot.
As usual.
#45 | POSTED BY JPW "

You look at jpw's user page and almost all posts are drive by insults and nothing to do with the topic. Two of them that stood out when I looked are these:

From you and your lame drive by posts? ppffftt.
POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-10-15 01:04 AM

And

It's really a shame how low you've sunk.
POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-10-15 01:07 AM

i.pinimg.com

#50 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-15 01:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"But that might be too much nuance for a doddering old troll
#17 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2019-10-15 11:39 AM "
I'll bet the sheer irony of that sentence flew right over your head, didn't it? Here, let me help:
In Internet slang, a troll is a person who starts quarrels or upsets people on the Internet to distract and sow discord by posting inflammatory and digressive ...messages

Again, the proggie double standard.
Physician, heal thyself

#20 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Good job, GOAT TROLL, you are batting 1.000! Don't forget the other words I taught you!

Remember:
I expect all of these terms to be used in your trolling lexicon henceforth, as all good conservatrolls do when they learn something new. Preferably, you use it on someone who didn't introduce you to them.

#51 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-10-15 01:09 PM | Reply

GOAT-TROLL: You look at jpw's user page and almost all posts are drive by insults and nothing to do with the topic. Two of them that stood out when I looked are these:

The Forever Offended Troll
When controversial topics are discussed online, they're bound to offend someone. That's normal.

But then there are the types of trolls who can take a piece of content " often times it's a joke, a parody or something sarcastic " and turn on the digital waterworks.

They're experts at taking humorous pieces of content and turning them into an argument by playing the victim. People really do get upset by some of the strangest things said and done online.

#52 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-10-15 01:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

a troll is a person who starts quarrels or upsets people on the Internet to distract and sow discord by posting inflammatory and digressive ...messages

#20 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Jesus christ I've never seen a more accurate and concise description of what you spend all your time doing every day.

But when your party is the cult of a con man, what else can you do except run interference for them all day?

#53 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-15 01:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Some folks posting here need to get a sense of humor.

#54 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-15 01:35 PM | Reply

"Jesus christ I've never seen a more accurate and concise description of what you spend all your time doing every day.
But when your party is the cult of a con man, what else can you do except run interference for them all day?

#53 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY "

LOL THe queen of name trolling name calling is calline me out? Goo funnny,

Stick with your TDS cult ravings. You're hypocrisy just doesn't cut it.

Thanks for roving again what I said yesterday about you being unable to respond to anything without a mindless TDS cult inspired Trump deflection, no matter how far from the subject Trump is.

You're a foregone conclusion every time. How does it feel?

Have your last word, troll

#55 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-15 01:39 PM | Reply

LOL THe queen of name trolling name calling is calline me out? Goo funnny,

Stick with your TDS cult ravings. You're hypocrisy just doesn't cut it.

Thanks for roving again what I said yesterday about you being unable to respond to anything without a mindless TDS cult inspired Trump deflection, no matter how far from the subject Trump is.

You're a foregone conclusion every time. How does it feel?

Have your last word, troll

#55 | Posted by goatman

Every whine about TDS, every whine about name calling, it's all just you desperately dodging and hiding from what your party has become - the cult of a con man who is controlled by putin. That's what you support. That's what you spend all your time protecting.

Then you have the gall to try and say you're nonpartisan as if we're all as dumb as you.

#56 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-15 01:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So we leave and the Russians take over. As I remember, Syria is a Russian client state and has been for the last 50 years. As far as the causes of the civil war there, ask Hillery and Obama who supplied the "moderates" with guns, ammo and trucks. Actually small potatoes compared to the infusion of cash from our old friend Saudi Arabia.

#57 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-10-15 01:47 PM | Reply

Some folks posting here need to get a sense of humor. #54 | Posted by danni

Irony alert..

#58 | Posted by boaz at 2019-10-15 01:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Awww goatshart is nipping at my heels so jobs can play the victim card?

How sad.

#59 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-15 01:59 PM | Reply

"#52 | POSTED BY CHUFFY"

I'm sure JPW appreciates his knight in shining armor coming to his rescue.

#60 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-15 02:04 PM | Reply

"#51 | POSTED BY CHUFFY AT 2019-10-15 01:09 PM |"

Again, a proggie initiates trolling even though I haven't said a word to him. Yet will his fellow proggies say a word to him about it? Of course not Will they completely wig out if I respond? Of course they will.

Have you last word stalker. I don't want to be responsible for proggie heads exploding which will undoubtedly happen if I continue to respond to your trolls.

#61 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-15 02:09 PM | Reply

"Awww goatshart is nipping at my heels so jobs can play the victim card?
How sad.

#59 | POSTED BY JPW "

The guy who loves to tell the world he has me plonked once again "accidentally" sees one of my posts and responds. As big of a brain as JPW thinks he is, one would think he could figure out how to make this plonking thing work. LOL It ain't exactly rocket science.

#62 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-15 02:15 PM | Reply

???
I did respond: first o the topic of the thread in post 13, then I responded to your trolling of my response.

In your response to my #17, you (as always) ignored the substantive retort and chose to respond solely to my reference to you as a troll. Because when you have no valid response on the merits of an argument, you latch onto whatever nonsubstantive escape hatch you can find and pretend that's the only thing that person was talking about.

Predictable, tiresome troll.

#63 | Posted by JOE at 2019-10-15 02:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Stick with your TDS cult ravings.

Per my previous posts on the topic of conservatrolls appropriating terms, TDS is one of my favorites (I also like keyboard commandos/cheeto-eating basement dwellers as other examples - you'll see those come out eventually).

Back in the early-to-mid-oughts, we liberals who spent time on blogs like this one, coined the phrase "Clinton Derangement Syndrome" to describe the frothy Fox "news" acolytes, Drudge readers and the dittohead community. CDS entered the lexicon, and during the 2008 election, it was updated to ODS...the good ol' days of ACORN and pal-ing around with terrorists. Social media became a thing, and not-liberals, having little or no imagination, appropriated the phrase - as usual, ineffectively, as it requires a complete lack of cognitive dissonance to believe that anyone who legitimately criticizes their orange icon is equal to the legions of wingnuts who literally made s**t up about Obama and Clinton for decades.

Congratulations, you've appropriated 2 terms that liberals have used to describe the blind followers of the orange menace in one sentence! TDS and cult.

Bravo!

#64 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-10-15 02:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Predictable, tiresome troll.

#63 | POSTED BY JOE "

As I said, if you are going to accuse someone of trolling don't be one.

I guess you don't get it.

#65 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-15 02:32 PM | Reply

I think we can all acknowledge that saying "Have you last word stalker" at the end of another self pitying post whining about 'progies', is Goatshart's way of having the 'last word'.

It is why he sucked his way, on hands and knees, back to the site he was 'permanently' banned from.

Here he comes.

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#66 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2019-10-15 02:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Back in the early-to-mid-oughts, we liberals who spent time on blogs like this one, coined the phrase "Clinton Derangement Syndrome" to describe the frothy Fox "news" acolytes, Drudge readers and the dittohead community. CDS entered the lexicon, and during the 2008 election, it was updated to ODS.

POSTED BY CHUFFY"

First of all, I was hearing [...] Derangement Syndrome back in the BBS days of the mid '80s. So quit patting yourself and other liberals on the back for coining it. It was around 20 years before you started using it.

But that aside -- good. It seems you actually do understand the tedium of derangement syndromes and can appreciate the banality TDS sufferers afflict on blogs.

As you said, "Bravo!"

#67 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-15 02:37 PM | Reply

"I think we can all acknowledge that saying "Have you last word stalker" at the end of another self pitying post whining about 'progies', is Goatshart's way of having the 'last word'.
It is why he sucked his way, on hands and knees, back to the site he was 'permanently' banned from.
Here he comes.
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#66 | POSTED BY OLDWHISKEYSOUR "

And yet another proggie I haven't said a word to all day comes in and initiates an attack on me. This troll is special because he is one of the biggest whiners about my posts. He even starts threads about it,

Yet here his is picking a fight thuough I've said nothing to him.

Do as you say, not as you do -- right OWS?

BTW, being able to predict that I would respond to your hypocrisy does not take that big of a brain. So get over yourself,

#68 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-15 02:47 PM | Reply

It looks like Krauthammer coined Bush Derangement Syndrome before CDS and ODS, so there is additional appropriation there by liberals!

I'm not "patting myself on the back" (that seems like something you like to claim about others in your trolling), and actually, just learned some more about the etymology of the term.

The substance of my comment stands, of course. I eagerly await your next logical fallacy.

#69 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-10-15 02:49 PM | Reply

#68
Bwahahaha. So predictable. So full of himself. So small.

Hope all of your sucking was satisfying, Beggar.

#70 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2019-10-15 02:53 PM | Reply

""I think we can all acknowledge that saying "Have you last word stalker" at the end of another self pitying post whining about 'progies', is Goatshart's way of having the 'last word'."

Actually, OWS (and the following has been exxplained before) I do the "have the last word" thing because you proggies come in and pick a fight (as you did with your post) then whine about me when I respond to it and subsequent posts.

So it's best to let y'all have the last word to go with our first word so your snowflake heads don't explode and blame me.

#71 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-15 02:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And yet another proggie I haven't said a word to all day comes in and initiates an attack on me.

This is a tribute to your trolling, you got another strike on your troll bait! Good job! Are you keeping score?

#72 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-10-15 02:54 PM | Reply

Poor widdwe not-liberal victim...

Conservatives used to decry the culture of victimhood. Now they take delight in their oppression. Victimhood, after all, confers certain privileges: sympathy, special treatment, and moral license. As Charlie Sykes observed in his 1992 book A Nation of Victims, victims not only exculpate themselves from blame, but they also get to project guilt onto others. Back then, victims were minorities, women, the poor, the unemployed, and the disabled. The definition of "victim" now includes rich and powerful white men who feel sorry for themselves. In today's America, all you have to do to be a victim is to act like one.

#73 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-10-15 02:58 PM | Reply

Aaaaand another thread successfully hijacked, trolled and destroyed by GOATSHART.

#74 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-10-15 03:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Bwahahaha. So predictable. So full of himself. So small.
Hope all of your sucking was satisfying, Beggar.

#70 | POSTED BY OLDWHISKEYSOUR "

So you don't even try to justify your hypocrisy.

Smart move. LOL

Bye, now. Have your last word as I allowed your sycophants. You had the first one, now have the last one. I don't want to be responsible for the xploding heads because I responded to your trolls.

#75 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-15 03:05 PM | Reply

#22 | Posted by AndreaMackris

Felt the need to go up to this post. There are of course many subtleties and twists on this BUT you can thank Bush for it as he laid everything in place prior to leaving office. Thanks to Bush's agreements Obama had 2 choices - stay and expose US troops to Iraqi law and courts or pull out. A political deal could not be made to avoid that so he pulled out and in itself that was the only REAL decision he could make to protect our troops. But remember - this was Bush's deal and not Obama's.

And in all honesty Bush laid the ground work very effectively for ISIS in Iraq. The Bush treatment of the Baathist Sunni army laid the foundation and then the Shiite Iraqi policing of the Sunnis ensured their participation in ISIS. These were not religious extremists but down trodden people.

And if you go even further back "WMDs" and Al Qaeda and the invasion of Iraq to begin with.

#76 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-10-15 03:19 PM | Reply

This whole Syria conflict essentially comes down to a Proxy war (even though there was direct action by the US, Turkey, Russia and Iran. Despite what the head in the sand isolationists think we still live in a big world and have interests outside the US. If they were serious about isolationism they would be on board for the New Green Deal but they are opposed to that as well. In other words they are talking point tools and they are only serious when it is convenient. Turkey's alliance is shifting from NATO to Russia as well.

We had our butts handed to us in this proxy war thanks to Trump. He did just what his handlers would want and let them take over Syria. Now there is a whole Iran to Syria corridor in the Northern ME controlled by Iran and Russia. HUGE wins for both.

#77 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-10-15 03:25 PM | Reply

Interesting, Liberals want us to save the Kurds by sending in troops and now their arch enemy Russia is going in to save them. So I would assume that Russia is now a darling of the left?

#44 | Posted by fishpaw
No, you're just an idiot.
As usual.

#45 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-10-15 12:53 PM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 1

So now you are a war hawk. Nice to know you want our soldiers sent in to be killed and that you want us to increase the military budget instead of feeding the poor, starving children of this country. How dare you!

#78 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-10-15 03:27 PM | Reply

#75 | Posted by goatman

Dude you haven't posted a thing about the topic of the thread since your first post #13. Every post since then has been petty bickering and whining about other posters.

"a troll is a person who starts quarrels or upsets people on the Internet to distract and sow discord by posting inflammatory and digressive ...messages"

#79 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-15 03:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

We had our butts handed to us in this proxy war thanks to Trump.

#77 | Posted by GalaxiePete

Obama lost the war, Pete.

Call your Congressman if you want more war.

#80 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-10-15 04:12 PM | Reply

Remember when these very same know-it-alls were swearing GW Bush was going to be the "Abraham Lincoln of the Middle East"

They even directly credited him with "inspiring" the "Arab Spring"

They were eager to blow the taxpayer dollars away on "democracy building" and never missed an opportunity to glad and and back-slap on how great it was going

Look at them now.
Laying prostrate for Dear Leader, again
One might believe they never had such "convictions", but everyone not in the cult knows better
It's just a sad sad affair

#81 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-10-15 06:37 PM | Reply

"Dude you haven't posted a thing about the topic of the thread since your first post #13. Every post since then has been petty bickering and whining about other posters.
#79 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY "

I responded to other posters who initiated unprovoked attacks me. I did not initiate a single one.

Joe in post 20
Danni in post 34
JPW in post 36
chuffy in post 51
and yourself in post 53.

But somehow you missed that part. Must the GDS that afflicts you and your cult.

#82 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-15 06:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Look at them now.
Laying prostrate for Dear Leader, again
One might believe they never had such "convictions", but everyone not in the cult knows better
It's just a sad sad affair

#81 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses

This belongs on the NBA Sells Out to Repressive Chinese Communist Regime thread.

#83 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-10-15 07:13 PM | Reply

Whoops. Somehow, there is no thread on the NBA hypocrites groveling to the Chicoms.

I even checked the Back Page.

What a god awful, sad affair.

Bless your hearts.

#84 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-10-15 07:18 PM | Reply

But somehow you missed that part. Must the GDS that afflicts you and your cult.

#82 | Posted by goatman

Yet somehow threads that you dont show up in manage to stay on topic without devolving into petty squabbles about goatman. You're the one who makes every thread about you.

#85 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-15 07:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Yet somehow threads that you dont show up in manage to stay on topic without devolving into petty squabbles about goatman. You're the one who makes every thread about you.

#85 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

He must be lonely.

Poor guy needs to get out more.

#86 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-15 11:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Poor guy needs to get out more.

POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-10-15 11:11 PM "

Pretty funny coming from the guy who spends 18 hours a day calling anonymous bloggers names.

#87 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-16 01:05 AM | Reply

How the 2011 US Troop Withdrawal from Iraq Led to the Rise of ISIS
smallwarsjournal.com

#22 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS AT 2019-10-15 11:51 AM | FLAG:

ISIS was inevitable the moment the former Baath party members were effectively banned from employment.

#88 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-10-16 09:05 AM | Reply

Nursa Front was saudi backed. They split from ISIL, then lost and had most of their forces absorbed by ISIS.

#89 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-10-16 09:05 AM | Reply

How the 2011 US Troop Withdrawal from Iraq Led to the Rise of ISIS
smallwarsjournal.com

#22 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS AT 2019-10-15 11:51 AM | FLAG:

How to blame bush's decisions on a black guy.

#90 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-16 02:23 PM | Reply

ISIS wasn't formed from Ba'ath party members, generally speaking. Most Ba'athists were Pan-Arab Socialists, and religious moderates. There were some former military officers who wound up in ISIS, but largely they came from Ninawa and Anbar. They were the evangelicals of that country, having been kept in line by Saddam. With him gone, they had nothing to reign them in.

During the Arab Spring, Hillary and Obama believed that they could use the factions to destabilize the Assad government. It's outside of my lane, but I think even that was more about curbing Russian influence than offering the region a chance at democracy. It turned out our "moderate rebels" were not so moderate, and while being willing to take US money and training, hade a very different end goal, namely creating a society that lived exactly how the prophet Mohammed had lived...down to the slaves, the wars, the conquests, the beheadings, and all of the other trimmings and trappings of traditional Islam.

And even that may have been acceptable, but for the fact that ISIS decided that Iraq was an easier mark. So the US went from supporting that group now known as ISIS, to targeting them.

#91 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-10-16 03:19 PM | Reply

The IS leadership's tribal roots is in Samarra. The early generals were former Baath members. They've been fighting since 2004. The only thing that changed was the group names over time as they got more marketing people to join.

#92 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-10-17 09:16 AM | Reply

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