This story doesn't pass the smell test. Three days without formula and the baby is still alive? Breast milk? OK. how did she suddenly start lactating? How does one accidentally drive across the border avoiding an animal? Big ---- animal, I guess. Detained in Pennsylvania, 2,000 miles away when the occurance happened near Vancouver (that's north of Seattle) Theree are actually border roads not secured with agents, or at least a gate if it's not manned?

"Yes there are large animals like that in the area. Deer, Moose, Bears, etc. I personally wouldn't turn down a road to avoid them but I'm not British either."

Yes, I know there are huge animals like that there. I was being facetious and talkng about miles long animals.

I mean, you dodge a moose -- takes you a few feet off course and because of that you unknowingly cross the border? C'mon. Don't tell me the border isn't marked (even though it's a remote road) because there is no way they would be detained for three days and sent to Pennsylvania for accidentally crossing an unmarked border, no matrter how ------ up you think Trump is. Even for Trump, this is incredulous.

And wouldn't 3 month baby without its formula for 3 days die? It's not like a woman can start breast feeding on command. Lactation stops pretty quickly after there is no suckling. And if she was lactating all along and breast milk kept the baby alive, what's the unnecessary and melodramatic reference to "no formula"? And on those lines, why did the officials feed the parents, but not give the baby any food? You blindly accept all this? What happened to critical thinking?

And being taken from northwest Washington state to Pennsylvania? You don't question that? Not necessarily question whether it happened, but if it did, why?

Um, OK. It looks like you are cool with these "plot holes" because of what you say in the first sentence of your post. Trump.

Maybe these weird things all did happen, but if they did, there is more to the story than being told.

And as far as denial? It's the official policy of these agencies to neither confirm nor deny these reports. So their lack of denial -- aside from being a logical fallacy 'proving' a fact -- is irrelevant. That's especially true if there is more to the story as I think there is.

""This story doesn't pass the smell test"
I am surprised these cretins can smell anything with their head so far up Trumps ass all the time
#4 | POSTED BY CHIEFTUTMOSES "

As always from you: Mindless ad hominem and no rebuttal.

Thanks for your input!

""This story doesn't pass the smell test"
What does that even mean?
Are you denying the events described took place?

#8 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

Reading and reading comprehension are fundamental, snoofy. If you didn't understand my first two posts, wou wouldn't understand them if I repeated them.

"Someone tell rcade the headline character limiter is broken.

#9 | POSTED BY REDIAL"

LOL I was thinking the same thing when I first saw the headline. It's nice to be king.

""You blindly accept all this?"
Do you deny all this, Goatman?

#10 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

Reading is fundamental, snoofy.

Or did you read and comprehend my post and are now engaging in snoofygames (tm)?

I see the usual suspects are jerking their knees because Trump, but are not addressing some questionable points of the story.

TDS takes its toll

"Because your point is stupid. That's why. Shut up any time now.

#20 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER "

Don't keep us in suspense. Tell the class why it's stupid. Tell us why they were sent to Pennsylvania. Tell us how the baby lived without its formula for three days? Tell us why the agents fed the parents but not the baby? Tell us how dodging a large animal can cause an accidental border rossing?

Yeah, it's easier to say, "your point is stupid" than to think critically, isn't it?

"Some of the usual suspects are pretending not to understand what a smell test is.
#21 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH "

Forget it, 'Notch. It's snoofytown.

It's a sad affair. I suspect we won't see any more proggies on this thread -- especially snoofy, brucebanner, big chief moses, galaxie pete, or yav. Bless their hearts.

"I said my piece. But you come back and keep up the stupid routine. Bless your heart.

#33 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER "

Your piece? Actually there were two. Post 1, you knee-jerkingly blamed the Trump administratin. Post 20 was ad hominem saying my post was stupid and telling me to shut up.

Gee, thanks Bruce for you insightfulness. Next time try something more substantive.

"What are the parts you don't accept, Goatman?

#30 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

I've stated them. Twice.

Reading is fundamental, snoofygames (tm)

"Canada wouldn't deny a baby formula.

#35 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

Good. You'll be fed when you take up 'Notch's challenge.

"Vancouver which is nowhere near the border. White Rock or Langley maybe but there ain't no back roads in them parts.

#36 | POSTED BY REDIAL"

I think they meant Vancouver BC, not WA. Vancouver BC is on the border with WA.

"Canada might not even imprison them for not having the required electronic authoritarian. They'd probably just put them on the next flight to UK, not send them to an immigrant detention facility when they have not expressed a desire to imigrate.

#41 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

Might. Probably. According to Snoofy.

Canada won't accept them. Did you miss that part?

"There's no indication of the baby's age."

Wrong.

"It could be breasteeding, on formula, on soft food, or any combination."

Says the guy who in post 49 accused 'Notch of being hypothetical. Consistency, snoofy. Exercise it.

"The claim is his formula was taken; they could have been ..."

Again, see your own post 49 about hypotheticals.

"...Goatmam ...
#52 | POSTED BY SNOOFY"

Using a feminine honorific as a pejorative as if women are inferior.

Tsk, tsk, tsk How progressive of you.

"They weren't until Trump started his "Zero Tolerance" border policy.
#52 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

Not bad. You went at least a dozen posts without the Trump deflection.

""The Connor's baby was only 3 months old!"
Was?
You mean... we killed it already!
#MAGA

#55 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

The deflections get even lamer.

BTW, babies age. They don't remain 3 months just because their parents are criminals.

"What does it mean that this part of the story doesn't pass the smell test?
#58 | POSTED BY SNOOFY"

I've stated twice.
Ive told you twice I've stated that twice.

It looks like snoofygames (tm) is all you have left.

Bye, now!

Better luck next time.

"Not really. The city is about 10 km north of the border with many other places in between.

POSTED BY REDIAL "

I know. They probably say Vancouver because no one has heard of the places in between. When I was in the Navy, I told people I was from Dallas because no one had heard of Plano which is 30 km away.

"I don't see where you've stated the implications of you thinking it's fishy.

#63 | POSTED BY SNOOFY"

Sounds like you'll never know then. Ask another reader to assist you if you really want to know.

"Hey Snoofy!
Any parts of the story seem fishy at all to you yet?
LOL

#67 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH"

"Fishy, fishy, fishy"

Snoofytown is gone for the night. It's a pattern I've noticed with him. When he gets his ass kicked soundly (good job, btw, 'N) he suddenly evaporates lie a drop of water on a hot cast iron skillet. He may be back in the wee hours, but if not, tomorrow then. But not on this thread!

But he is lurking this thread. I can guarantee that.

""The couple have detailed the "scariest experience of our entire lives" in a sworn statement that was provided to BBC News by their lawyer." (BBC link)
#11 | POSTED BY YAV "

OOOOOHHH. They said it was the scariest experience of their lives. Poor things. And their lawyer said so. And BBC reported it.

Yav fell for it. Too bad for the criminals involved, the US border authorities and Canadian authorities who won't take them back didn't fall it, too.

"Sorry about the typo. [goatmam]
#62 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

Twice you made that "typo" and no others at all in this whole thread. In fact you rarely make them on any other threads at all.

Jesus Christ, snoofy. The mental breakdown that compels you to engage in your games is bad enough, but your assumption that the world is so stupid they believe your lies is a sign of extreme mental issues.

You pondered a couple of days ago if you wanted to stay here. You should leave for your own mental health. This place makes you play trolling games, lie, twist people's words, take things out of context, put words into other peoples mouths and more. And you believe yourself! This place is ------- your head up, snoofy. Leave for your own good.

"Maybe he'll figure out what hit him, and pretend this thread never existed? The other ----- seem to be keeping safe distance.
#76 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH "

Looks like I was wrong. He's baaaack!

""Any parts of the story seem fishy at all to you yet?"
I'm more concerned about the parts that seem like cruel and unusual punishment.
I expect people to act fishy.
I hold the government to a higher standard.

#75 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

What did the government do to these people that was cruel and unusual?

"1. It's a phone.
2. It's a typo.
3. It'll probably happen again from time to time, so go ahead get it all out now and get Hans to archive your rebuttal so we don't have to do this every time.

#80 | POSTED BY SNOOFY"

And your phone only has typos when it's spelling goatman. And until today, it never did.

Right.

As I said, snoofy. We aren't that stupid and when you have to convince yourself we are, you have issues. Big ones.

"This, above all: To thinke own self be true"

Hamlet Act I Scene III

^thine

"What did the government do to these people that was cruel and unusual?

#81 | POSTED BY GOATMAN "

Still waiting. What did they do that was so cruel and unusual?

Send them to Pennsylvania? OK, I'll give you that, especially if it was Pittsburgh. But that's my opinion. I don't think a court of law would find that cruel and unusual.

"You're an idiot.

#84 | POSTED BY YAV AT 2019-10-15 11:02 PM "

The person who swallowed this obviously fabricated tale hook, line, and sinker is calling me an idiot for using critical thinking and questioning it,.

LOL

The study of psychology teaches us that when someone resorts to name calling, it usually speaks to feelings of inferiority and a feeling of inadequacy of the person doing the name calling. People stoop to the process of name calling when they feel lesser and need to make themselves feel more powerful.<

"1. I'm not lying.
#86 | POSTED BY SNOOFY"

If you had a history of not doing it, that might be believable. Hell, you spent the last two days trying to convince me I said something I didn't. You constantly twist words. You constantly take things out of context.

Obviously I can't know if you are lying or not with 100% certainty. But given the highly unlikelyhood that your phone would only have typos with one word, goatman and do it twice in one post and never before today, and you have been caught many times lying, you have become the boy who cried wolf, snoofy. As you like to say, "You built that".

Now tell the class why you think these poor, poor people were treated cruelly and unusually.

"Taking away baby formula works for me.
Dirty blankets and cold cells for a baby also works for me.
Not simply deporting them expeditiously also works for me, barring some other criminal matter that's being investigated.

#89 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

These people were caught sneaking into the country illegally and they knew it having been denied visas. The Canadians acknowledge they are criminals since they woldn't let them into their country.

But you believe their story about baby formula and dirty blankets?

LOL

I don't know if you are just plain stupid and gullible beyond any reasonable standard, or if you are trolling.

I have no desire to engage such gullibility or trolling -- whichever one you are gulty of.

G'night, snoofy.

"Looks like I spoke too soon about at least 2 of them not being able to find the truth in this thread.
#91 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH "

No, but Yav did make an appearance to call me an idiot The same yav that believed this story in spite of its obvious holes calls me an idiot for questioning it.

So just one more and your prediction will be true.

"Do you disbeliebe it enough to swear under oath their sworn under oath statement is false?
Because if not this is boring.
#96 | POSTED BY SNOOFY"

Of course not. That would be illegal since I don't know for sure.

But I would bet $20,000 they are lying about the baby formula thingy.

"Looks like I spoke too soon about at least 2 of them not being able to find the truth in this thread.
#91 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH "

You win! Clownshack showed up,

Granted, he wasn't one of the originals, but he is supporting the losing team, so I think that goes as a point in your column.

"Yav did make an appearance to call me an idiot
Well, when he's right, he's right.
Well said Yav.

#99 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

Question, big guy:

Yav was clearly shown to be wrong. He supported the criminals and blamed America. I said I believed the Connor's story was fabricated. I said it didn't sound plausible and listed my reasons why. 'Notch proved the Connors lied. Yav jerked his knee and called me an idiot for questioning the holes in the story.

So why do you throw your lot with yav? I used critical thinking to come to my conclusion. Yav used his hate of America to come to his. (see post 11) In fairness to yav, even though he didn't say so, he was indirectly blaming Trump. Still inexcusable, of course.

Rhetorical question, of course. Like all hyperpartisans, you put party over truth. And you and Yav are both democrats. That's shameful. Of course you have a long history of that, so it's expected. That makes it even more shameful. But it will be another thing to sport my case when I accuse you of being party over truth in the future.

BTW, 'Notche pegged you in his post 102

"Dumb and dumber reunited!
RCade has really let this place go to shht.
You two fat fffks should get a life.

#104 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

Says the guy who sides with the proven losing team.

I presume you are just lashing out as a petulant child would do.

As far as needing a life? I think the person who puts party friends over truth and honesty is the one who needs the life, big guy..

"RCade has really let this place go to shht.
#104 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

You mean by allowing hyperpartisans like you who ignore the truth to populate the place? Maybe. But you guys are funny. It's what keep a lot of us coming back.

"108 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

Fact: Yav was wrong
Fact: You supported yav and not the people who were right.

Either of those facts, in dispute, big guy?

Of course not.

My point upthread about you stands unless there was another reason aside from partisanship that you sided with the loser. Maybe GDS? OK, I'll buy that. But either way, you did not support the truth. Own it.

"No, he's absolutely correct, you're an idiot.
#111 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

The study of psychology teaches us that when someone resorts to name calling, it usually speaks to feelings of inferiority and a feeling of inadequacy of the person doing the name calling. People stoop to the process of name calling when they feel lesser and need to make themselves feel more powerful.

"No, he's absolutely correct, you're an idiot.
#111 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK"

Do you think he was right in the assessment of this situation, or do you think 'Notch and I were?

Why do I think clownshack's partisan brain is twisting itself into knots right now? LOL

What do you think the Connors should have gotten, a night at a Red Roof Inn?
I'm curious as to just how generous you think we should be with folks who enter illegally.

#116 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

"----, no. The Hilton in Snoofytown. I would even comp it. But i'd probably count the towels after they left."

Snoofy, mayor of snoofytown

Clownie -- where'd you go, buddy? You and snoofy licking each others.... um, wounds?

This whole thread should have taken a different course after the facts and link in my #22 came out.

One must ask one's self -- why didn't it?

Because Trump and self-loathing America haters.

"Because you and Goat went on a rip roaring troll feast.
#132 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

Actually that was snoofytown with his continual stupid questions whose answers are in the thread. Then you came along to support the losing side with your own trolls. 'Notch and I simply responded to them and in 'Notch's case, also provide certifiable facts that you trolls ignored.

""What do you think the Connors should have gotten, a night at a Red Roof Inn?"

I'm curious as to just how generous you think we should be with folks who enter illegally.

#135 | POSTED BY SNOOFY ""

Snoofytown here to play snoofygames again.

Why don't you answer the questions for once, troll, and stop the game playing?

Forget it, Jake. It's snoofytown.

"wtf goat? i have 2 kids and neither had a drop of formula and both are still alive.

#142 | POSTED BY CJK85 "

My point exactly. This woman is whining about not getting any baby formula, but her baby, like yours, survived. So the baby formula grievance was a red herring in her story.

" i don't give a flip is she's lying or telling the truth.

#146 | POSTED BY CJK85 "

I do. Facts are an integral part to this story as they are any story.

"Has the government explicity denied withholding formula?"
#148 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

What does that matter, unless you are playing games and want to engage in a logical fallacy. Of course that is where you are going with this, snoofytown.

"Remember, this is the same government that withheld soap and toothbrushes, on the grounds they are unnecessary"

Yea, so many people die without toothbrushes. Probably most of the kids you are referring to probably never had one in their life anyway. And if they did, why didn't they bring it like everyone else does when they make a long trip"

"ORAL HEALTH CARE IN POOR COUNTRIES"

"Facts matter.

#150 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

Yep. And non-denial is not proof of anything.

But you know that, snoofygames (tm)

Believing the story of someone caught in many lies while illegally entering the country is proof of something though: Gullibility.

I'm going with Occam's razor here. The baby obviously did not need formula because he didn't die. Therefore the complaint of not receiving any is a red herring.

"It's not just their story.
It's a story we've heard over and over again.

#154 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

But the thread is about this story, not others you have heard before. Outcomes of prior events is not proof it happened in a current one. Bandwagon logical fallacy.

I'm impressed. Snoofytown, the spinmeister has more spin in him than I thought possible -- even for him. I'll bet he's in big demand at the State Fairs' Midways.

"I haven't said anything false about Trump's Zero Tolerance policy."

Actually you have, but i won't argue the point because its moot. This story is about some people knowingly entering the country illegally and getting caught. Trump had nothing to do with it. Nor does he have anything to do with the fact that they were denied visas beforre. Nor is it Trump's or ICE's fault that the Canadians won't take them.

The peripheral stuff? Who cares? But it's like them cashing in on stories they heard about detention facilities on the southern border and thought they could exploit that angle. Only thing is the that the place they got sent to in Pennsylvania has consistently had vvery high ratings. I doubt if they suddenly dropped their standards for thes folks.

"It's also about what happened next.
It's also about what happens next.
You moved the goalposts... narrowed them by moving them closer together.
#167 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

What happened next is purely speculative. I understand some people are bullible enough to believe the lies that these proven liars and criminals told, in spite of evidence to the contrary, but I prefer to stick with verified facts, not speculatin on what a liar said.

Fact is, the Pennsylvania facility has consistently had excellent standards and ratings.Fact is...

Never mind. You aren't interested in them, so I'm not going to bother typing the. Besides, they've already been stated.

Believe the liars disregard the facts if you wish. I will never be able to change your illogical and frequently dishonest mindset.

"But even if it were, so what?

#169 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

I've already answered that. But here it is again: I prefer facts, not speculation.

But you knew that, snoofytown.

Forget it, 'Notch. It's Snoofytown.

" ...dirty blankets, cold cells, alleged withholding of formula...

POSTED BY SNOOFY"

Objection, your honor. Speculation.

Sustained.

"What happened next is they were detained, and sent to PA. Speculation?

#175 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-10-16 04:59 PM "

It's mentioned at least once upthread.

It's really difficult to have a debate wtih someone who keeps asking for stuff that's on the thread already.

But you know that, snoofygames. Asking redundant and irrelevant questions is a huge part of your M.O.

"They were tortured not detained. #Impeach

#176 | POSTED BY PATRON "

Citation needed

"You're not debating anyone, Goatman.

#183 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

That's the truth! lol

"Snoopy and ----- got it

#182 | POSTED BY PATRON "

I hope it's not contagious.

"Why werent they just sent home as they obviously wished to be?

#178 | POSTED BY JUSTAGIRL_IDAHO"

I presume because they were committing a crime. You can't just say, "Just kidding" when caught and expect to be let go about our merry way.

"Where the hell is the common sense in this affair? "

That's what I'd like to know. The folks are obviously lying and gullible people like snoofy believe it.

A couple that is denied entry into the US, isn't allowed into Canada "accidentally" crosses the border? Right. As you ask, AU, wheres the common sense.

They are carrying 16,000 dollars. Sure, who doesn't when they are taking a leisurely drive along the border? Where is the common sense..

The couple lies about the facilities as the one in Pennsylvania has always received top marks for their facilities. Where is the common sense, indeed.

They say that their baby was denied formula for three days, but the adults were fed? People believe this? Again, as you ask AU, where is the common sense?

"The UK are our closest allies. "

And? This means we have to coddle their criminals and just a blind eye to their lawbreaking? Why?

And of course Americanunity predictibly blames Trump for these people breaking the law. It gets old, dude. Come up with a new song and dance, and ne that makes sense.

"www.king5.com

#193 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH "

Poor quality video. I guess that's why we can't see the giant animal they allegedly had to dodge and accidentally landed them in the US.

"+/- 1/4 ounce of weed
#195 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH "

That's the really stupid part. Why the weed? They had $16,000. Why didn't they just leave their stash behind and spend $100 for the same amount of weed in WA? I'm sure it's easy to find there.

Wonder if the feds kept their money? Isn't it illegal to transport that much cash across the border without declaring it?

And I wonder how they got into Canada? It couldn't have been legally if Canada refused them entry coming back.

And why any of this? Were they drug smugglers? Human traffickers? Really like the Mariners? What was their motive?

This is such a strange story. But it's Trump's fault, dontcha know?

"They didn't know anyone in the U.S.

#200 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY"

Wrong.

Read the story and comments, especially 'Notch's.

AU, this one isn't Trump's fault.

"Sure, they came all the way to Canada to sneak across the border and do what? With whom?"

Good questions. I asked them too. But there was a nefarious reason, obviously. The US denied them visas earlier. So they tried to sneak into the US. Then the Canadians refused to let the cross back over.

""Impaired driving is illegal."

Sounds speculative."

It's not speculation. It really is illegal to drive impaired.

"Impaired driving with children in the car is child endangerment."

Sounds like you're saying we put the child in harm's way by letting it stay with dangerous parents.

#206 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

How weird. It sounds to like he said, "Impaired driving with children in the car is child endangerment."

Snofygames (tm): Whats a body to do?