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Saturday, October 19, 2019

Parliament will sit on a Saturday for the first time in 37 years to vote on Boris Johnson's Brexit deal. The PM has been trying to convince MPs to support the agreement he secured with the EU, ahead of what is expected to be a knife-edge vote in the Commons.

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His former DUP allies and opposition parties plan to vote against it.

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Brexit was a bad idea but some want to pursue it against the will of the British people, now informed of the consequences. A referendum should be held, Johnson should resign his post as PM. He is going to destroy the British economy by isolating them from Europe.

#1 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-19 09:44 AM | Reply

--A referendum should be held,

Keep voting into the plebes do as they are told by their betters.

#2 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-10-19 09:56 AM | Reply

--Brexit was a bad idea but some want to pursue it against the will of the British people,

The biggest poll since the referendum itself, conducted for ITN by ComRes with 26,000 Britons, conclusively shows the public want Brexit sorted, with 54% of respondents saying we should support abiding by the referendum result and leave the EU. Even greater than the original 52:48 split ...

When don't knows' are included, leaving still has a majority, with 50% wanting to leave (30% with a deal and 20% with no deal) versus only 42% wanting to remain.

#3 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-10-19 09:59 AM | Reply

Nulli seems to believe that polls should be construed to be referendums. I've read other polls that say exactly the opposite Nulli. We are both Americans so I don't know exactly why you are so strongly invested in Brexit. I'm not, but I do see that it is probably going to seriously harm the British economy. Not my business but I just don't want to see that nation suffer. Brexit will seriously harm their economy. Mini Coopers are built there, but Mini Cooper is actually BMW. Will BMW continue to manufacture there? I seriously doubt it. Many other complications will arise, not to mention the Irish problem. Many Brits are presently living in EU nations, enjoying the sun in Spain. This will disrupt their lives. Many EU citizens are living in Britain, this will disrupt their lives. Britain has been part of the EU too long to now seperate because of right wing nationalism. And make no mistake, that is what this is about, right wing nationalists think they can turn back the clock, they may as well be wearing MAGA hats.

#4 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-19 10:10 AM | Reply

MPs back Brexit deal delay
www.bbc.com

...Boris Johnson has said he will press on "undaunted" with his Brexit strategy despite MPs backing the principle of a further delay to the process.

The PM has vowed to introduce legislation needed to implement his agreement in Parliament next week.

But he will have to ask the EU for an extension beyond 31 October after MPs backed a motion designed to rule out a no-deal exit by 322 votes to 306.

The EU said it was up to the UK to "inform it of the next steps".

The motion, which was tabled by Independent MP Sir Oliver Letwin, "withholds approval" for Boris Johnson's Brexit deal until legislation implementing it has been passed.

It was due to be followed by a vote on the main government motion - whether or not to back the deal.

The motion - amended because of the vote on Sir Oliver's amendment - was approved without MPs going into the division lobbies.

A vote on a cross-party amendment on preventing a no-deal referendum and holding a second referendum was also dropped.

The defeat is a serious setback for the PM, who has repeatedly insisted that the UK will leave at the end of the month come what may....


#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-10-19 10:46 AM | Reply

If California had a referendum to leave the United States, but then they realized the consequences which would be immense. Should they allow a do over? IMHO, that is what is happening in the UK. A bunch of nationalists convinced the population that this is what they should want but then most people realized it was a mistake and now the nationalists don't want them to change their minds.
The world is evolving, nationalism is slowly becoming an idea of the past.

#6 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-19 12:24 PM | Reply

hmmmm Brexit as seen through American rose colored glasses...

The world is evolving, nationalism is slowly becoming an idea of the past.

Americans have a tough time with 200 year old history... GB has had 1000 years of glorious history. 200 years was just yesterday to them. Every school child can recite every major naval and land battle since Roman times.They can also recite, in order, every king and queen that has ever ruled the UK.

HISTORY is a big thing to them. They are a very proud people and while they are slow to anger, they never forget an insult or a slight.

So imagine the shock when the EU mandated new school history books that removed much of UK's history.

#7 | Posted by Pegasus at 2019-10-19 04:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

hmmmm Brexit as seen through American rose colored glasses..

--A referendum should be held,

There already has been two elections. in both cases - BREXIT won by a clear majority... some wanted a third election but polls easily showed that PRO BREXIT would win yet again.

UK is leaving because it's subjects want to leave. BREXIT would stop in its tracks if HRH decided to stop it. so far, she has remain quiet.

As for the deal, it's mostly about government and business, It has very little to do directly with the people.

Everyone wants to leave the EU because of their overbearing rules and their high taxation rates setup by un-elected EU officials in Brussels...

TAXATION WITH REPRESENTATION....sound familiar?

#8 | Posted by Pegasus at 2019-10-19 04:39 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

--UK is leaving because its subjects want to leave.

The unwashed masses want to but the progressive corporatist, plutocrat elite wants to overturn the vote of the people. Sound familiar? The only area that voted against Brexit was London, the British political equivalent of San Francisco/NYC/Washington DC, the playgrounds of the privileged.

#9 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-10-19 04:50 PM | Reply

"The unwashed masses want to but the progressive corporatist, plutocrat elite wants to overturn the vote of the people. Sound familiar?"

What's it supposed to sound like, the Electoral College?

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-10-19 05:06 PM | Reply

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Boris Johnson has sent a request to the EU for a delay to Brexit - but without his signature. The request was accompanied by a second letter, signed by Mr Johnson, which says he believes that a delay would be a mistake. The PM was required by law to ask the EU for an extension to the 31 October deadline after losing a Commons vote.

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#11 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-10-19 07:11 PM | Reply

What does Brexit actually mean? Expelling foreigners from Great Britain. Forcing British citizens to leave countries where the are comfortable. It will reduce the freedom of British citizens to live in European nations. It will eventually cause the Irish Republic to own Northern Ireland. It has consequences that most British people will regret and, really, no upside. It is just nationalistic crasy b.s. We have the same type of people here in the U.S. They are evil, crazy, xenophobic a******s. Brexit is about white nationalism.

#12 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-19 07:37 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#12 | Posted by danni

Boris Johnson is the UK's Donald Trump, born on third base. Whatever he does won't affect his life like it will tens of millions of others.

And Russia helped him too:

Senate Finds Russian Bots, Bucks Helped Push Brexit Vote Through

Putin's doing the jig over how well he's ------- up Western democracies.

#13 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-10-19 08:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

EU open border policies not exactly working out. Who could have foreseen this?

"Merkel says German multiculturalism has failed

POTSDAM, Germany (Reuters) - Germany's attempt to create a multicultural society has "utterly failed," Chancellor Angela Merkel said on Saturday, adding fuel to a debate over immigration and Islam polarizing her conservative camp

www.reuters.com

#14 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-10-20 10:12 AM | Reply

Nulli's link does not work. When you post something like that make sure you also post a working link.

#15 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-20 10:23 AM | Reply

www.reuters.com

#16 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-10-20 10:32 AM | Reply

www.bbc.com

#17 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-10-20 10:34 AM | Reply

So imagine the shock when the EU mandated new school history books that removed much of UK's history.

Have a link for that? I'd like to read up on it. I thought education was the responsibility of the member states.

#18 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-10-20 11:59 AM | Reply

#7 | Posted by Pegasus

Based on that idiotic logic, they should hate America...LOL!

#19 | Posted by Angrydad at 2019-10-20 01:01 PM | Reply

Have a link for that? I'd like to read up on it. I thought education was the responsibility of the member states.

It is.... but the EU is (and has been) trying to change it. They have been floating the idea for several years. Many private schools already have the EU text books and follow the "approved" syllabus. State schools, not so much.

EU school books are generally accepted to be filled with EU propaganda. Complete with Danni like descriptions of what would happen if the UK left the EU.

Folks forgot that Greenland (Denmark) left in the 80's and nothing much happen to it...

www.telegraph.co.uk

#20 | Posted by Pegasus at 2019-10-20 03:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Folks forgot that Greenland (Denmark) left in the 80's and nothing much happen to it..."

Wow, this is probably the stupidest pro-Brexit argument I have ever heard!

That's because Greenland is nothing much to begin with.
"Greenland has a population of 56,700 inhabitants, 88% of which are of Inuit origin."

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-10-20 03:26 PM | Reply

Well OK they didn't leave entirely...

Greenland joined the then European Community in 1973 as a county along with Denmark, but after gaining autonomy in 1979 with the introduction of home rule within the Kingdom of Denmark, Greenland voted to leave in 1982 and left in 1985, to become an OCT. The main reason for leaving is disagreements about the Common Fisheries Policy and to regain control of Greenlandic fish resources to subsequently remain outside EU waters. Citizens of Greenland are, nonetheless, EU citizens within the meaning of EU treaties and Danish nationality law.

As for the UK hating Americans.... TRUMP announced he would push through an American Trading Deal if the EU failed to do so on theirs.

If that happens, expect SouthEast Asia, Japan and South America to jump onboard as well.

Once UK leaves, looks like Sweden, Italy and Greece would be next.

#22 | Posted by Pegasus at 2019-10-20 03:41 PM | Reply

That's because Greenland is nothing much to begin with.
"Greenland has a population of 56,700 inhabitants, 88% of which are of Inuit origin."

Thule Air Base is the US Armed Forces' northernmost installation. ... The airfield's 10,000-foot (3,000 m) runway handles more than 3,000 US and international flights per year. Finally, Thule is home to the northernmost deep water port in the world. Thule is the only Air Force Base with an assigned tugboat.

Located on the northwestern coast of Greenland, Thule Air Base is the U.S. military's northernmost base and the only installation north of the Arctic Circle. It is home to the 12th Space Warning Squadron, a cadre of Air Force officers and enlisted personnel that provide 24/7 missile warning and space surveillance using a massive AN/FPS-132 radar.

Thule's position on the globe and its radar's 240 degrees of coverage " which projects over the Arctic Ocean and Russia's northern coast " make it an ideal location to track intercontinental ballistic missiles and satellites in low-Earth orbit, including polar orbit satellites.

On a given day, the 12th SWS will record the trajectories of hundreds of satellites, including dozens of "high interest objects" that the CSpOC deems worthy of additional attention based on its country of origin, payload or mission.

It also keeps a constant watch for activities that may indicate the United States is under threat of nuclear attack via ICBMs or submarine-launched nuclear missiles.

That's because Greenland is nothing much to begin with.

That depends on your point of view,.... eh Comrade?

As for an argument about BREXIT... there is none.... come the 31st... Britain will be gone... Trading deal or not...

GONE... as in Ciao baby, CHA CHA CHA....

#23 | Posted by Pegasus at 2019-10-20 04:35 PM | Reply

"So imagine the shock when the EU mandated new school history books that removed much of UK's history."

I seriously doubt you can supply a link.

"Once UK leaves, looks like Sweden, Italy and Greece would be next."

Yeah right, that's not even close to true. Greece, with its economy still in turmoil is going to want to bring home Greeks who have successfully found work in other EU nations? Not likely. Italy either. Sweden is economically stronger but do they want to bring home all their citizens happily living in warmer climes? Unlikely.

#24 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-20 05:16 PM | Reply

It's called GREXIT. BOTH the EU and the GREEK government were (and some say...still are) discussing GREECE's exit from the EU... to wit...

The top-secret plan had been filed away in 2012, the previous time Greece had teetered on the edge of default. It was code-named "Croatia's Accession to the European Union" to disguise that it was a doomsday scenario for the country farther south. Any hint it even existed would have sent Greece deeper into crisis, spooked financial markets, and shaken confidence in the euro itself. Then in early June 2015 a fresh round of default negotiations seemed to be at an impasse. Not till negotiations ended on July 13, 2015, did the EU and Greece agree to a third bailout. In the meantime, the EU's preparations for catastrophe continued, as detailed in this excerpt adapted from Viktoria Dendrinou and Eleni Varvitsioti's book, The Last Bluff.

www.spectator.co.uk

It's called SWEXIT that is... Sweden's demand for exit from the EU. Latest news is that all parties have dropped wording for an exit fo this year. It's on hold for this year... but various parties have been demanding it for 24 years...

My take is that they are holding how to see how much EU funding they will get next year. Meanwhile there is an increasing conservative pro-Sweden undercurrent growing in strength every year. I think this "hold" is the last gasp of the liberal government attempting to stay in the EU.

For the first time since joining the European Union in 1995, all Swedish political parties have now declared being in favour of staying in the EU.

At a recent party meeting in Norrkoping, ahead of the May European Parliament elections, the Swedish Left Party decided, by 41 to 30, to officially put its campaign for Sweden to exit the EU on hold.
But the European Union's problems are far from over. Economic growth is slowing. The population continues to age. And EU critics are gaining more political power.

Even as Brexit has provided some breathing space, populism is a bigger challenge today than it was in 2016. Populists are in charge in Italy, the third-largest economy in the eurozone, and populist parties in Sweden, Spain, Germany, Austria and Estonia have made breakthroughs.

"I think you can make a convincing case for why the challenges to the EU have gained momentum," said Matthew Goodwin, co-author of National Populism: The Revolt Against Liberal Democracy.

#25 | Posted by Pegasus at 2019-10-20 06:54 PM | Reply

Pegasus, what is your opinion on the track record of nationalism in Europe?

Has it worked out to your liking in the past?

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-10-20 07:02 PM | Reply

let's consider, EU or nationalism for Europe. Really? Is it a question? Just dumb. And the acceptance of refugees from the ME is a completely different question.

#27 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-20 07:39 PM | Reply

I think Pegasus should answer.

What's so great about the rise of nationalism in Europe?

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-10-20 10:46 PM | Reply

#28 - Perhaps Pegasus would like to refresh his memory concerning the motivation behind the EU:

www.parliament.uk

From the article:

"During a speech in Zurich in 1946, Winston Churchill spoke of the need to form a European Family' or a United States of Europe' to ensure peace and prosperity for Europe."

How ironic that Boris Johnson, who greatly admires Churchill and who would love to be compared to him, should be instrumental in seeking to take the UK out of the EU.

#29 | Posted by Foreigner at 2019-10-20 11:49 PM | Reply

Pegasus, what is your opinion on the track record of nationalism in Europe?
Has it worked out to your liking in the past?

#26 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-10-20 07:02 PM | REPLY

It's great for business. We were collecting loan interest until 2006. Poor old Keynes thought WW1 could only last a year with his view of economics. The UK government proved him very, very wrong on that point.

#30 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-10-21 09:01 AM | Reply

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