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Alex Ward: Erdogan is the latest to take advantage of that. The troubles facing Syria - and troubles elsewhere - are in large part caused not by America's weakness, but by Trump's. President Donald Trump is bragging that his decision last week to withdraw US troops from northern Syria - leaving America's allies, the Syrian Kurds, to fend for themselves against invading Turkish forces - was a "strategically brilliant" masterstroke.

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Syria cease-fire agreement lifts threat of U.S. sanctions while letting Turkey keep buffer zone
www.washingtonpost.com

...But afterward, a Turkish official briefed by participants in the talks said the Turkish side was surprised and relieved at how easy the negotiations were. "We got everything we wanted," said the official, an adviser to the Foreign Ministry who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive diplomacy.

Irritated by White House threats over the past week, Erdogan had prepared for a confrontational meeting, but the mood softened when it became clear the U.S. officials were asking only for what the Turks regarded as token concessions. In return for a brief pause in fighting, there would be no U.S. sanctions and no requirement for a Turkish withdrawal.

The request for a temporary cease-fire seemed to be "face-saving, for the U.S. side," the official said. "It was as easy a negotiation as we've ever had," the official said....


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#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-10-19 01:06 PM | Reply

He enveys them and wants to be just like them. Starting with dismembering any reporter that pisses him off.

#2 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2019-10-19 01:58 PM | Reply

Trump loves dictators.

Of course, Birds of a feather.

#3 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2019-10-19 02:45 PM | Reply

And idiot brownshirts love Trump

#4 | Posted by hamburglar at 2019-10-19 04:13 PM | Reply

#3 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour, I guess we can say the same about FDR. Hell, he set down with two of the greatest mass murders in history, Stalin and Churchill.(Read up on the famine in India during WWII).

#5 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-10-19 10:10 PM | Reply

"Trump Loves Dictators" Another garbage headline from war loving Democrats.

Pepe Escobar summarizes:

"It's a quadruple win. The U.S. performs a face saving withdrawal, which Trump can sell as avoiding a conflict with NATO ally Turkey. Turkey has the guarantee " by the Russians " that the Syrian Army will be in control of the Turkish-Syrian border. Russia prevents a war escalation and keeps the Russia-Iran-Turkey peace process alive. And Syria will eventually regain control of the entire northeast."

Syria may be the biggest defeat for the CIA since Vietnam.
russia-insider.com

#6 | Posted by Ray at 2019-10-19 10:20 PM | Reply

The way Pat Buchanan sees it, Trump had two choices: escalate or leave.

A thousand U.S. troops and their Kurdish allies were not going to dominate indefinitely the entire northeast quadrant of a country the size of Syria against the will of the Damascus regime and army.

Had the U.S. refused to vacate Syrian lands on Turkey's demand, a fight would be inevitable, whether with Turkey, Damascus or both. And this nation would neither support nor sustain a new war with Turks or Syrians.

And whenever the Americans did leave, the Kurds, facing a far more powerful Turkey, were going to have to negotiate the best deal they could with Syria's Bashar Assad.

Nor was President Recep Erdogan of Turkey going to allow Syrian Kurds to roost indefinitely just across his southern border, cheek by jowl with the Turkish Kurds of the PKK that Erdogan regards as a terrorist threat to the unity and survival of his country.

It was Russia that stepped in to broker the deal whereby the Kurds stood down and let the Syrian army take over their positions and defend Syria's border regions against the Turks.

russia-insider.com

#7 | Posted by Ray at 2019-10-19 10:41 PM | Reply

You post two links from the Russia insider and expect to be taken seriously?

#8 | Posted by bored at 2019-10-20 12:14 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You post two links from the Russia insider and expect to be taken seriously?
#8 | POSTED BY BORED

If you notice, I do cite the authors names, both of which I am familiar.

When I want truth, the last place I go to is politically correct sources. I go to sources outside the politically correct sinkhole.

But more to the point. Both writers concur that the Russians are brokering peace in Syria. To you armchair warriors, that's heresy,

Do you really want to keep pushing US foreign aggression despite growing world resistance and the outrageous financial costs?

#9 | Posted by Ray at 2019-10-20 06:34 AM | Reply

We actually lost nothing. The Syrians have been Russian clients for 60 years. The Kurds are relatively safe, at least from the Turks. The ISIS prisoners are behind wire. Looks like a win, or at least a draw.

#10 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-10-20 06:37 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

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We actually lost nothing.
#10 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

There is another way to look at. The US lost its moral authority on the world stage by invading Syria. Staying in for the sake of pride only exacerbates our loss of prestige. There is an old saying about knowing when to cut your losses.

#11 | Posted by Ray at 2019-10-20 06:57 AM | Reply

#11 | Posted by Ray, Moral authority does not exist. The authority of power does. We did not win WWII because we were more humane or had a morally superior possession. We won because of raw power. Wars are won due to power, not ideals.

#12 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-10-20 08:52 AM | Reply

Moral authority does not exist. The authority of power does.

The term "moral authority" implies a willingness of others to follow. On those grounds, even the Europeans are starting to go their own ways because their interests don't align with US interests. Bush Sr. had no problem getting a coalition to attack Iraq. Pompeo tried to form a coalition to attack Iran. He couldn't do it.

Rule by brute force wins in the short run, but not in the long run. On those grounds, the US is a declining power. The Russians have weapons for which the US has no defense. They are leading the US in the arms race by at least twenty years. China too, is gaining on US military power.

#13 | Posted by Ray at 2019-10-20 09:10 AM | Reply

#13 | Posted by Ray, Your ignorance of the military power of the United States is appalling. The Russians are so broke they can't field their new tank. The Chinese do not have the ability to project power, and likely never will. The corruption in both is so endemic they are ham strung. BTW, the Chinese are discharging 20% of their Army. They are investing in a Navy and Air Force, but both are about 30 years behind us.

#14 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-10-20 09:46 AM | Reply

"As Pat Buchanon sees it?"

Does anyone give a crap about how Pat Buchanon sees anything?

#15 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-20 10:07 AM | Reply

"There is another way to look at. The US lost its moral authority on the world stage by invading Iraq."

FTFY

#16 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-20 10:09 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#16 | Posted by danni F**k it F**k you is not an argument. Putting Saddam in an unmarked grave was worth a lot. Putting the strongest military in the ME in the trash was worth more.

#17 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-10-20 10:47 AM | Reply

#14 | POSTED BY DOCNJO
our ignorance of the military power of the United States is appalling.

If you don't want to wallow in your own ignorance, you don't want to get your information from American sources.

When Putin gave a speech about Russia's hypersonic missiles that can reach the US from anywhere in the world, that was a game changer. The US has no defense against them.

Do your own research or continue to dream on.

#18 | Posted by Ray at 2019-10-20 11:00 AM | Reply

Danni

I think by now we understand each other.

The US lost its moral authority on the world stage by invading Iraq."

Wasn't it your buddy Obama who sent troops into Syria? Oh I forgot. He's a Democrat. That doesn't count.
Wasn't it virgin Hillary who destroyed Libya and crowed about it like a rooster? Oh of course. Virgins are pure. They don't count either.

#19 | Posted by Ray at 2019-10-20 11:06 AM | Reply

Wasn't it your buddy Obama who sent troops into Syria? Oh I forgot. He's a Democrat. That doesn't count. No, the US entered direct military combat against Syria in 2017. Do you need us to explain how Obama was also not president on 9/11/2001, or are you going to blame him for that, too? "The U.S. missile strike on Shayrat Airbase on 7 April 2017 was the first time the U.S. became a deliberate, direct combatant against the Syrian government[141] and marked the start of a series of deliberate direct military actions by U.S. forces against the Syrian government and its allies in May"June 2017 and February 2018."

Wasn't it virgin Hillary who destroyed Libya and crowed about it like a rooster? Oh of course. Virgins are pure. They don't count either. Only if you get your news from Sean Hannity.
Libya is, like most of the ME, complicated. Ever read a book that doesn't have pictures in it?

#20 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-10-20 11:41 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" Only if you get your news from Sean Hannity.
Libya is, like most of the ME, complicated. Ever read a book that doesn't have pictures in it?

POSTED BY CHUFFY"

Well that certainly was a well reasoned and insightful rebuttal to his points.

#21 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-20 11:44 AM | Reply

wow, Dems care more about the Kurds than about human trafficking and drug smuggling across our borders

#22 | Posted by Maverick at 2019-10-20 11:50 AM | Reply

#18 | Posted by Ray Hell, we don't have a effective countermeasure to conventional ballistic missiles, despite all the fan fare about "Starwars". Nuclear weapons are precluded by MAD. They are deterrence, nothing more than a guarantee of a catastrophic response for a first use. You might note that our boomers out under the ocean somewhere have enough warheads to leave Russia depopulated by about half in 20 minutes. They don't have an effective counter measure ether. BTW, the average age of their missiles is over 30 years old. Some still use liquid fuel. Something we got rid of 40 years ago. Mutually Assured Destruction has made the use of Nucs unthinkable. Face the facts, Russia is more image than content. A shrinking population, a stagnate economy, and a level corruption that makes Tammany Hall look like alter boys. South Korea has a bigger and more robust economy. Their army is made up of conscripts and drunks using equipment older than any of their soldiers. They are still using T72s, a 50 year old tank. I have actually seen and drank Russian soldiers, I wasn't very impressed. All they wanted was to end the time they had to be in the army and for me to buy another round. As Cesar said, "Gold is the muscle of war".

#23 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-10-20 11:56 AM | Reply

"When Putin gave a speech about Russia's hypersonic missiles that can reach the US from anywhere in the world, that was a game changer."

And what was it when their prototype exploded upon testing?

#24 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-10-20 12:13 PM | Reply

@#6 & @#7

Those articles look more like after-the-fact rationalization attempts for Pres Trump's bad decision.

Pres Trump mentioned none of that as a justification for his decision.

#25 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-10-20 12:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#23 | POSTED BY DOCNJO
#24 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

You two give too much credence to American propaganda.

If you are into reading, I suggest:
The (Real) Revolution in Military Affairs
by Andrei Martyanov

That's my last word in this topic.

#26 | Posted by Ray at 2019-10-20 12:24 PM | Reply

Yet it is the leftie dems who herald Nicols Maduro, Castor, Et al -- pot/kettle.

#27 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-10-20 01:14 PM | Reply

Castor=Castro above

#28 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-10-20 01:15 PM | Reply

#25 Look at the other articles on the Russia insider site. Jew hate everywhere.

Ray should be ashamed of himself.

#29 | Posted by bored at 2019-10-20 01:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#23 Doc is right here. It shows how deluded Ray is.

There is no defense against mobile ICBMs.

Heck, there isn't much defense against IEDs.

#30 | Posted by bored at 2019-10-20 01:34 PM | Reply

"Ray should be ashamed of himself."

Have you seen his website?
The man clearly has no shame.
It's pride, all the way down.

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-10-20 01:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#26 | Posted by Ray I am so sure that a propagandist for Pravda has an objective view of reality.

#32 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-10-20 01:50 PM | Reply

Both "sides" here have kind of missed the sea change that's occurred since Vietnam,
which coincides with the abandonment of the gold standard by all the nations of the world,
which coincides with "Since 1975, practically all the gains in household income have gone to the top 20% of households":

Force projection in the 21st century isn't about military power.

It's about financial might.

"Apple's market cap makes it larger than the GDP of each of 183 out of the 199 countries for which the World Bank has GDP data"

Fighting wars is for poor people. That's why Russia does it.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-10-20 01:59 PM | Reply

That's why Mexico fights their cartels. They're both poor.

Poor people can be exploited.
That's how Capitalism creates wealth.
That's why 4 in 5 households get left behind in America: So they can work for the other 1 in 5.

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-10-20 02:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#34 | Posted by snoofy, Let's see, the opposite of exploit is unemployed. As far as I know no one put a gun to your head and told you where to work. If you don't like your job, you can go somewhere else to work, or you can live on the street with about half a million other Californians, get your welfare check at a PO box and crap in the gutter.

#35 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-10-20 02:25 PM | Reply

"Let's see, the opposite of exploit is unemployed."

Let's say it is.
Why carry the exploiter's water for free, like you are right now, on the DR?

"As far as I know no one put a gun to your head and told you where to work."

It's not rape unless he has a gun, is that how this works?
Coercion didn't exist until human invented guns, is that how this works?

You're right. No one put a gun to my head and told me where to work. But the fact remains that in our society, able-bodied individuals of working are are expected to work, and will have a hard time getting by if they don't.

"If you don't like your job, you can go somewhere else to work."

Now you moved the goalposts. What if I don't like working, can I just go somewhere where I don't have to work? Not really.

"or you can live on the street with about half a million other Californians, get your welfare check at a PO box and crap in the gutter."

You'd like that. You'd like it more if there were no welfare checks. You think that would clean up the streets.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-10-20 02:33 PM | Reply

"When Putin gave a speech about Russia's hypersonic missiles that can reach the US from anywhere in the world, that was a game changer. The US has no defense against them."-Ray"

Oh yes, ex KGB agents and dictators never lie about anything. You are so gullible.

#37 | Posted by tknees at 2019-10-20 02:43 PM | Reply

#29 | POSTED BY BORED
#31 | POSTED BY SNOOFY
#32 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

Ray should be ashamed of himself.

Quite the contrary.

When I post here, I feel like I'm peeing on a snake pit.

#38 | Posted by Ray at 2019-10-20 03:03 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"When Putin gave a speech about Russia's hypersonic missiles that can reach the US from anywhere in the world, that was a game changer. The US has no defense against them."-Ray"
Oh yes, ex KGB agents and dictators never lie about anything. You are so gullible.

#37 | POSTED BY TKNEES AT 2019-10-20 02:43 PM | REPLY

The RS-28 is pretty well documented at this point. 11,000 mile range, mach 20 top speed.

#39 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-10-20 03:04 PM | Reply

Janes has documented the Avangard hypersonic glide vehicle for it, it goes mach 27. Nobody has any defense against that.

The US Army is deploying LRHW, also a hypersonic weapons. The Russians and Chinese can not defend against it.

#40 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-10-20 03:07 PM | Reply

"When I post here, I feel like I'm peeing on a snake pit."

Like I said:
It's pride, all the way down, Ray.

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-10-20 03:10 PM | Reply

When I post here, I feel like I'm peeing on a snake pit.
#38 | Posted by Ray

yet you always end up peeing on your own shoes

#42 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-10-20 03:13 PM | Reply

#38 | Posted by Ray, As one who has actually seen a real snake pit, don't worry about the snakes you see, worry about the ones you don't see.

#43 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-10-20 05:49 PM | Reply

"That's why 4 in 5 households get left behind in America: So they can work for the other 1 in 5."

What do you mean by left behind?

3.1 out of 5 households reside in the global 1%. 5 out of 5 are at median household income when compared to peers worldwide...with the possible exception of those who are unemployed and without any income. Which would be very unusual if they were in a "household".

#44 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-10-20 05:55 PM | Reply

And if your argument is that employers exploit workers...I'm not sure how you can explain the huge paychecks that go to top talent. I think the Bus family would have preferred to pay Lebron James something less than $154 million a year if they could have.

#45 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-10-20 05:58 PM | Reply

The way Pat Buchanan sees it, Trump had two choices: escalate or leave.

#7 | POSTED BY RAY AT 2019-10-19 10:41 PM | REPLY | FLAG

And Pat Buchanan matters, why?

#46 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-10-20 09:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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