Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Saturday, October 19, 2019

The religious landscape of the United States continues to change at a rapid clip. In Pew Research Center telephone surveys conducted in 2018 and 2019, 65% of American adults describe themselves as Christians when asked about their religion, down 12 percentage points over the past decade. Meanwhile, the religiously unaffiliated share of the population, consisting of people who describe their religious identity as atheist, agnostic or "nothing in particular," now stands at 26%, up from 17% in 2009.

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Do as I say not as I do is never a winning pitch. Evangelicals endorsing Trump and cheering policies that are antithetical to Christ's teachings is a big problem.

#1 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-10-19 06:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

It's enough to make you think people don't like pedophiles.

#2 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2019-10-19 06:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Decline of Christianity Continues at Rapid Pace in U.S.

Nice!

Americans don't know the first thing about Christianity... a religion from the Middle East... the same Middle East they hate with a passion.

So the mask is finally coming off the Pretend-Christians.... leaving the REAL Christians... Mexican/brown people... on the other side of The Wall.

#3 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-10-19 06:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The decline of Christianity and in increase in Evangelicalism is an interesting correlation.

#4 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-10-19 06:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Good. All organized religion sucks.
All of them. Religion is a used as "people control".
It is used to control the masses.

#5 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-10-19 07:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Gee, I guess people are recognizing that "Christianity" isn't based on the life of Jesus. Truth is sprituality is taking over Christianity and, guess what, Jesus would be with us who reject today's Christianity and join us who are Spiraturalists. Jesus would be the enemy or these right wing Christians of today, they are the antipathy of actual Christians.

#6 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-19 07:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Over the last decade, the share of Americans who say they attend religious services at least once or twice a month dropped by 7 percentage points, while the share who say they attend religious services less often (if at all) has risen by the same degree.

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I think they need to modify the question in today's digital age to include streaming religious services.

#7 | Posted by pirate at 2019-10-19 07:56 PM | Reply

Pretty much new age hippie stuff rather than anything with a real code of morals.

Curiously enough if you're going to be a good environmentalist research suggests you find religion.

#8 | Posted by Tor at 2019-10-19 08:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Curiously enough if you're going to be a good environmentalist research suggests you find religion.

#8 | POSTED BY TOR "

Nope. People lean too much on god or allah or the Flying Spaghetti Monster too heavily to make things right. They say, "God will make it right" or if tings go wrong they say, "It was allah's will". The dependence on mythological creatures makes people lazy and not want to fix things themselves.

#9 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-19 08:22 PM | Reply

--Curiously enough if you're going to be a good environmentalist research suggests you find religion.

Environmentalism *is* a religion. Don't you pray to plants and Gaia, heathen?

twitter.com

#10 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-10-19 08:28 PM | Reply

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Gee, I guess people are recognizing that "Christianity" isn't based on the life of Jesus. Truth is sprituality is taking over Christianity and, guess what, Jesus would be with us who reject today's Christianity and join us who are Spiraturalists. Jesus would be the enemy or these right wing Christians of today, they are the antipathy of actual Christians.

#6 | Posted by danni

He'd be at homeless shelters and AA meetings, and turning over tables in anger at evangelical churches.

#11 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-10-19 08:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"The dependence on mythological creatures makes people lazy and not want to fix things themselves."

Some of these are hard to figure out:

Why are there Catholic hospitals and Jewish universities and Muslim bomb-making programs for children if they're not trying to fix things themselves?

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-10-19 08:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Decline of Christianity Continues at Rapid Pace in U.S."

That's because it isn't put into practice much in principle.

In the evangelical church I grew up in, we heard much more about the wrath of the vengeful God in the Old Testament, and the Apostle Paul, who never knew Jesus in His lifetime, but seems to be more important than Christ by those who don't practice what Christ actually taught in evangelical Christianity.

#13 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-10-19 08:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Good. All organized religion sucks.
All of them. Religion is a used as "people control".
It is used to control the masses.

#5 | POSTED BY ABORTED_MONSON

There is some truth to this, but you miss the broader meta-level.

So is Environmentalism, its just as irrational and meant to control the masses.

Movements are nothing more than natural selection working, or in progress. The purpose of all movements is to induce shame in its individuals to conform to some standard. Religion, thus far is the best technique to accomplish great things as a society. Religions success lies in its ability to tame arrogance, and a reminder we are not "god". Not much different than Environmentalism and its view of "Mother" Earth.

Religion is also part of our evolutionary journey, it demarks in time the birth of our consciousness. Heuristically, via Lindy effect, it is also a successfully proven way to live, not the only way, but up to this date the most tried and true way.

#14 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-10-19 08:56 PM | Reply

"The dependence on mythological creatures makes people lazy and not want to fix things themselves."

You don't understand Religion. Religion is mental and physical discipline; religion nothing more than attempting to "fix" yourself, to fit in a defined social society.

Thats why its successful.

#15 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-10-19 08:59 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Like I said if you want to fight climate change it helps to find religion.

www.vice.com

#16 | Posted by Tor at 2019-10-19 09:06 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"The dependence on mythological creatures makes people lazy and not want to fix things themselves."

Lets flip this around ....

In todays secular society in what ways are people fixing themselves with ....

1. Just be yourself
2. No F$%#ks given
3. Just do it
4. The only one who can tell you 'you can't' is you
5. Run the day. Don't let it run you.

There is balkanization occurring, as we in the West, embark down the road of individual "gods" (Carnivore, Paleo, Vegan, Vegetarian, Jain, LGBT, Lefty, Righty, fitness, Environmentalism, Catholic, Islam).

The balkanization will create a society upon which we won't work in unison for the better of society, but work for our personal "gods" success. We will boycott and reject because of differences of opinion.

It won't end well.

#17 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-10-19 09:10 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

Finally ....

Historically speaking, the more "gods" a religion had, the more tolerant it was.

#18 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-10-19 09:22 PM | Reply

The Christian god has been replaced by a secular god - the State.
You no longer have to pray for what you want. You vote for it.

"From each according to his ability to each according to his needs."

#19 | Posted by Ray at 2019-10-19 09:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

So is Environmentalism, its just as irrational and meant to control the masses.

You really think a lot of really really dumb schit.

#20 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-19 09:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

"So is Environmentalism, its just as irrational and meant to control the masses.

You really think a lot of really really dumb schit.

#20 | POSTED BY JPW "

It requires more brain cells than idiotic drive bys which have become your mainstay on the DR.

#21 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-19 09:49 PM | Reply

I read some of the pre-Nicene church fathers. They didn't compromise, didn't look for acceptance, and they looked forward to martyrdom, which happened frequently. The problem with Christianity now is everyone wants a savior, but no one wants a lord.

#22 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-10-19 10:03 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The mushy middle, mostly mainline churches, ones that get away from the supremacy of Jesus and the Bible, are the ones on decline.

Tongues talkers and others who take the promises of the Bible seriously are growing.

Repent while you still can, my DR friends.

#23 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-10-19 10:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

I read some of the pre-Nicene church fathers. They didn't compromise, didn't look for acceptance, and they looked forward to martyrdom, which happened frequently. The problem with Christianity now is everyone wants a savior, but no one wants a lord.

#22 | POSTED BY DOCNJO AT 2019-10-19 10:03 PM | REPLY |

Instead of thinking for yourself you let a random guy tell you what to think based on the 358th retranslation of a book that is just a retelling and appropriation of other more ancient religions.

#24 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-10-19 10:41 PM | Reply

Mainline churches are doing a damn good job I'm walking the line between secular needs of men and the holy ways of God.

The ways of Christ have not been tried and found wanting they've been tried found difficult and abandoned.

#25 | Posted by Tor at 2019-10-19 11:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"The ways of Christ have not been tried and found wanting they've been tried found difficult and abandoned.

#25 | POSTED BY TOR "

I guess that would explain holy wars.

Never in the course of human history has a war been waged over atheistic beliefs.

I'll go the godless route. But if I had to choose one, I'd pick the Flying Spaghetti Monster. The pirate part is really cool and I look good with a colander on my head.

#26 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-19 11:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If what passes for Christianity today; the hypocritical tradition-bound TV evangelist/politician version that the Jesus of the bible would gag over is on the decline, that can only be a good thing.

The worst thing that has happened to modern Christianity is that it has come to believe that their behavior is what is important in their relationship with God, which could not be further from the truth. There is no set of rules in Christianity as their was in the OT. The Law died with the Christ.

People, as people will do, put the focus on themselves and not on God. In the NT, according to Jesus and Paul, man's obligation is to "seek first the Kingdom of God"... to study the only messages they have from God, to have faith and trust in those words, and that it's God who does the changing of behavior, if any is really required, and that is a process that is never complete while we are in physical form.

In original Christianity man's job is being a disciple, a learner about God, and God's job is to handle everything else; the provisioning for this life and the next, the physical and the spiritual.

People who think they have "act like a Christian" have missed the point entirely.

#27 | Posted by Corky at 2019-10-20 12:41 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- Never in the course of human history has a war been waged over atheistic beliefs.

More complete ignorance. The greatest genocides in history were in the last century and were by committed by atheists.

#28 | Posted by Corky at 2019-10-20 12:47 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If we are to believe Capitalism and Communism are atheistic beliefs, then the Vietnam War was waged over atheistic beliefs.

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-10-20 01:41 AM | Reply

More complete ignorance. The greatest genocides in history were in the last century and were by committed by atheists.
#28 | POSTED BY CORKY

A fact taken out of context. The communists were socialists, the ideology of leftists.
To totalitarians like the communists, religion was a competing authority.

It's not that Christians were saints. During its early days, they were at war with pagans and heretics because they competed with Christian beliefs

#30 | Posted by Ray at 2019-10-20 06:20 AM | Reply

#24 | Posted by hatter5183 You know less than nothing about the origins of Christianity. In other words, your criticism is based on German rationalism of the 19th century, not history. The most common ancient text is the Bible. Even if we had none, these Church Fathers wrote so many commentaries on the texts they had at the time we could reconstruct the entire thing. The Old Testament was compiled in Babylon in the 5th century BC. The Rabbis rejected the writing that did not reflect reality. The ones that foretold their captivity, they kept. Of course they had another prophet with them, Daniel.
The New Testament was well established by the middle of the second century, despite the concerted efforts of the Gnostic and others. Why not read a few of these guys before you accept late ideals as the truth.

#31 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-10-20 06:57 AM | Reply

...The Old Testament was compiled in Babylon in the 5th century BC.
The New Testament was well established by the middle of the second century...
#31 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

I suppose these are the versions you read and follow then?

#32 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2019-10-20 07:37 AM | Reply

"If we are to believe Capitalism and Communism are atheistic beliefs, then the Vietnam War was waged over atheistic beliefs.

POSTED BY SNOOFY "

Yeah, and if my aunt had ---------, she'd be my uncle.

#33 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-20 08:39 AM | Reply

Never in the course of human history has a war been waged over atheistic beliefs.

I'll go the godless route. But if I had to choose one, I'd pick the Flying Spaghetti Monster. The pirate part is really cool and I look good with a colander on my head.

#26 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2019-10-19 11:18 PM | FLAG:

The Ffffffff!
80-120 Million killed in the 1900s in the various communist revolutions!
All thoroughly, officially atheist!
Atheism was the driving philosophy.
One of the first acts was the mandated enforcement of evolution (philosphically necessary for atheism).

#34 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-10-20 08:43 AM | Reply

#32 | Posted by TFDNihilist, I do not read ether Greek or Hebrew, but the current text is valid. Those Dead Sea Scrolls sort of put an end to that argument about textual criticism of the Old Testament. The English Bible is as good as any translation. Remember there are honest translations and not so honest translations. Example: The New World translation put out by the JWs isn't a translation at all. Some are just fads, like the Living Bible from the 70s but the differences in honest translations is actually not very significant.

#35 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-10-20 08:43 AM | Reply

When djt is their leader, then I'm not surprised that they're losing members. Remember, only about a third of folks will put up with djt. That's enough to win the electoral college but everyone hates you.

#36 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-10-20 12:01 PM | Reply

Tongues talkers and others who take the promises of the Bible seriously are growing.

Repent while you still can, my DR friends.

#23 | POSTED BY DRIVELIKEJEHU

So nutters and charlatans? Great. That's comforting.

#37 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-20 12:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#34 spreading atheism wasn't the goal of the communist revolutions.

Not the same in regards to the Crusades or Islamic incursions into Europe.

#38 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-20 12:43 PM | Reply

"#34 spreading atheism wasn't the goal of the communist revolutions.
Not the same in regards to the Crusades or Islamic incursions into Europe."

Good luck convincing Jehu, lol.

He sees "through a glass, darkly"

#39 | Posted by dibblda at 2019-10-20 01:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#39 | Posted by dibblda, The Communists in Europe and Asia spent an inordinate amount of time and effort to crush religion requiring thousands of police, informants, prisons and black balling a significant portion of the population from work. When the state is the supreme authority, they don't like competition. In the infant Soviet Union one of the first things done was the murder of around 11,000 Orthodox Priests. That happened under Lenin, not Stalin. So do tell us of the lack of animosity the Communists had for all religion.

#40 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-10-20 02:04 PM | Reply

"If we are to believe Capitalism and Communism are atheistic beliefs, then the Vietnam War was waged over atheistic beliefs.
POSTED BY SNOOFY "

Yeah, and if my aunt had ---------, she'd be my uncle.
#33 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

What's your angle here, Goatman?
Are Capitalism and Communism religious beliefs, or not?

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-10-20 02:10 PM | Reply

"Are Capitalism and Communism religious beliefs, or not?

POSTED BY SNOOFY "

Never gave it much thought, to be honest. Why do you even bring it up? Looking at the definition of religion, it looks like in some contexts they are, but in other contexts they aren't. I suggest you google it yourself and make your own decision rather than ask me

#42 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-20 02:20 PM | Reply

I've always considered myself a Christian but never been a big fan of organized religion. One guy on the pulpit who has the ear of god and understands the ineffable seems bogus to me.

I try and live my life in a Christ like way and fail frequently but I don't stop trying.

Recently I've been thinking of starting a new religion based on Fred Rodgers being the second coming of Christ and we were all just too wrapped up in ourselves to notice.

Best I can tell he was the most successful man in recent history in living in a Chris like manner and if I can convince scores of followers to follow his example the world would benefit.

#43 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2019-10-20 02:33 PM | Reply

#43

People gave religion morals, not the other way around. I live by my conscience, it just so happens to reflect the things Jesus taught.

I'm agnostic and no way a Christian.

#44 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-10-20 03:52 PM | Reply

Lft,

"I live by my conscience, it just so happens to reflect the things Jesus taught."

Jesus said, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

#45 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-10-20 08:47 PM | Reply

45

I'm well aware of what was said. But that in no way has an effect on my behavior. I'm in control of that.

#46 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-10-20 09:28 PM | Reply

Lft,

You sort of prove what many believe.

Christianity had a major impact on western cultures especially America whether or not a person accepts the whole thing.

You were taught Christian values and believe in some of it's tenets.

This thread is pointing out that the influence of Christianity is on the wane.

Personally I am concerned for future generations who will be lost.

What will they learn and who will teach them anything other than secular values that blow with the prevailing winds.

#47 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-10-20 09:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"You were taught Christian values and believe in some of it's tenets."

He was?
Did you miss this?

"I live by my conscience, it just so happens to reflect the things Jesus taught."

Christianity outside of the Trinity is pretty much the same as any religion: serve the needy, do unto others, be honest.

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-10-20 10:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

What we need is a new icon.

#49 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-10-21 01:22 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

47 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2019-10-20 09:58 PM | REPLY | FLAG

People had morals way before religion was invented. You just have trouble admitting that religion doesn't have a monopoly on good behavior.

#50 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-10-21 07:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What we need is a new icon.

#49 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT AT 2019-

Rock-n-roll Jesus?

#51 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-10-21 07:14 AM | Reply

Lft,

Oh yes...this godless society we have today is going so well.

Immoral lifestyles have led to higher stds, violence, suicide, single mothers, fatherless children, depression, drug use..

I'm done with your stupidity.

#52 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-10-21 10:02 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

What will they learn and who will teach them anything other than secular values that blow with the prevailing winds.

#47 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

They'll be taught be people who actually understand this and aren't blinded by Stone Age goat herder myths.

#53 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-21 10:07 AM | Reply

Immoral lifestyles have led to higher stds, violence, suicide, single mothers, fatherless children, depression, drug use..

I'm done with your stupidity.

#52 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

People are people.

The only thing that changes is how open they are about being people.

#54 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-21 10:09 AM | Reply

"What will they learn and who will teach them anything other than secular values that blow with the prevailing winds."

I raised my children with secular values and guess what, they're doing fine and not being misled by religious bigots.

#55 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-21 10:10 AM | Reply

Over 80% of Mexicans are Catholics.

This explains why illegal immigration is such a good thing after all.

#56 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-10-21 10:11 AM | Reply

Oh yes...this godless society we have today is going so well.

BILLJOHNSON

Ya, if only Republicans, who claim the mantle of the 'moral' party, actually put Christianity into practice.

For instance, drug treatment instead of filling private prisons, megachurches that offered free day care and assistance to young parents to help better their lives instead of calling them 'sinners,' making college affordable to the masses, reinstating programs that used to pay for vocational training with a stipend, and so much more.

Acting as though life doesn't end when you're born.

You know, being 'pro-life.'

#57 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-10-21 10:13 AM | Reply

"Immoral lifestyles have led to higher stds, violence, suicide, single mothers, fatherless children, depression, drug use.."

"Crime in the United States has been recorded since colonization. Crime rates have varied over time, with a sharp rise after 1963, reaching a broad peak between the 1970s and early 1990s. Since then, crime has declined significantly in the United States,[1] and current crime rates are approximately the same as those of the 1960s.[2]"

en.wikipedia.org

#58 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-21 10:15 AM | Reply

Without laws we would have no crime.

#59 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-10-21 10:21 AM | Reply

Actually we have crimes without harm to anyone just because of the War on Drugs. It's a job creation business for police, prison guards, probation officers, defense and prosecuting attorneys, etc.

#60 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-21 10:35 AM | Reply

Lft,
Oh yes...this godless society we have today is going so well.
Immoral lifestyles have led to higher stds, violence, suicide, single mothers, fatherless children, depression, drug use..
I'm done with your stupidity.

#52 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2019-10-21 10:02 AM | FLAG: | FUNNY: 1

Stupidity? At least I'm being the example I want to see in others - and I dont need religion to accomplish that.

#61 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-10-21 10:55 AM | Reply

And by the way Bill, I was a fatherless child until my dad came along and adopted me and married my immoral mother who had me out of wedlock in 1969.

Please spare us the sanctimonious -------- by trying to elevate yourself through religion.

#62 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-10-21 10:58 AM | Reply

I won't even say what I think when it comes to religion, that is a personal matter and I respect everyone's right to decide for themselves. I do not feel morally inferior to anyone though.

#63 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-21 11:06 AM | Reply

American's don't really like Christianity as much as they like the yearly Christmas greed fest. In fact if you took Jayzus out of the equation i'm sure they would be just fine with Santa Claus and nothing else.

Hell the local Home Depot has had the 20% of the store taken up Xmas decorations out since the end of September... its only a matter of time before the baby Jayzus imagery is an infant dressed red and green with a pointed hat.

#64 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-10-21 12:48 PM | Reply

Immoral lifestyles have led to higher stds, violence, suicide, single mothers, fatherless children, depression, drug use..
I'm done with your stupidity.

#52 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2019-10-21 10:02 AM | FLAG:EYE ROLL

That remark is a fekking series of cliches.
I'll bet you can't prove that with any certainty.

There is no such thing as a "single mother" or a "fatherless child".
Immorality doesn't give you STD's... bacteria and virii do.
In this country violence is perpetrated on others is... more often than not considered a moral obligation... like dying for your country... spare the rod spoil the child
There is no more depression than there has ever been... its just that in a wealthy society where the majority of your life isn't engaged survival you have time to dwell on what pisses you off.

People have always used drugs and always will... no amount of "morality" is going to change that.

#65 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-10-21 01:07 PM | Reply

And the decline will increase precipitously. To paraphrase someone wiser than I, "the will be a great falling away of the faith before the giant flush." or something like that.

#66 | Posted by Daniel at 2019-10-21 01:20 PM | Reply

"Immoral lifestyles"

It is immoral for Christians like you to act they way they do to their fellow humans. To treat Women as meat bags is immoral. To treat Men as meat bags is immoral. To cage children is clearly immoral. To want to build a wall and not want to help those on the other side is clearly immoral. To abandon our comrades on the field of battle is immoral and dishonorable.

Sodom and Gormorrah were destroyed for far less than building walls. (according to your holy texts)

#67 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-10-21 01:32 PM | Reply

Want to know why Christianity is declining? Tell me which denomination has it right. Prove it to millenials who have heard all of the opposing denominations each claim to have the one truth.

#68 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-10-21 02:49 PM | Reply

Environmental Lead is directly related to violent crime. When lead was added to gas and common in paint there was a lag as it entered the environment. Then violent crime rose too. It rose fastest where lead exposure rates were highest. When they banned lead paint and leaded gasoline there was again a lag before environmental levels started to fall and then violent crime rates fell too. Places that had aggressive lead remediation saw bigger drops in violent crime. Places where lead remediation was not done still have higher violent crime rates. Globally places that had lower or no lead use had lower or almost no violent crime changes.

www.cleveland.com

#69 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-10-21 03:25 PM | Reply

Religion provides a way to impose morality on people who don't have their own internal moral compass.

I don't need a 2000 year old book to know that stealing, murder, and telling lies is immoral

#70 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-10-21 03:29 PM | Reply

As has been pointed out a gazillion times, there is a difference between religion and spirituality. IMO, these are very spiritual times.

IMO one of the main reasons contributing to the decline of religion in America has been the political leaders by many Christian leaders to align the Church with the GOP. People call '--------' when they see it.

#71 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-10-21 03:32 PM | Reply

"I don't need a 2000 year old book to know that stealing, murder, and telling lies is immoral"

For sure, but there's nothing wrong with turning those ideas into a book... and then killing people who have a different book that says the same thing... am I doing this right?

#72 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-10-21 03:36 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Politics Now Nation's Fastest Growing Religion

U.S.--A study released by Pew Research Center Thursday morning revealed a new fastest-growing religion in the country: politics.

Unlike many religions that only meet once or twice a week, adherents to the religion of politics worship every day, doing their devotionals in front of Fox News, CNN, or their carefully cultivated Twitter feeds. There is a major sectarian dispute among politics' followers, as to whether the one true god is a donkey or an elephant, but otherwise, their methods of practicing their faith are remarkably similar.

Political worshipers come in all forms, from casual believers who faithfully vote each election but don't regularly attend rallies or argue about politics online to crazed people who mail bombs to people they disagree with. But most political believers reject these violent zealots as radicalized extremists, insisting that politics is a "religion of peace."

#73 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-10-21 05:26 PM | Reply

Do tell Hatter if lying is advantageous to you and you can get away with it what makes it wrong?

#74 | Posted by Tor at 2019-10-21 09:07 PM | Reply

Do tell Hatter if lying is advantageous to you and you can get away with it what makes it wrong?

#74 | POSTED BY TOR AT 2019-10-21 09:07 PM | REPLY

It is wrong because it is wrong. Its like asking why water is wet. It's not because a book told me its wet. Its because it is water. Lying is wrong not because of any code imposed by an external force. It is wrong because it is a lie.

#75 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-10-22 08:22 AM | Reply

Lying is wrong not because of any code imposed by an external force. It is wrong because it is a lie.

#75 | POSTED BY HATTER5183

Is it wrong to lie and tell our children a jolly fat man will climb down our chimneys and leave them presents if they behave?

Is it wrong to tell our children a fairy will pay them for their extra teeth?

Is it wrong to tell our children rabbits lay colored egged in Easter just for good little children to find?

If is so wrong then why do we do it?

Sometimes we do the wrong things but for the right reasons.

Honestly it was tough raising children in a culture that embraces lies. Where winning means everything. But sometimes we do the strangest things to make our little ones happy. If just for a brief moment. So that they at least have happy memories to draw on in dark times that we know are coming. When they get older tho and if they still believe the lies then that is a problem. Isn't it? Look around you. Everyone seems to be having trouble determining what is real is what is not.

Stop the lying.
Stop the insanity.
Time to grow up America.

Sorry Virginia. There is no Santa Claus.

No one is coming to save us. We need to wake up and save ourselves.

#76 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-10-22 11:29 AM | Reply

"We need to wake up and save ourselves."

I love it when Donner writes like this.

#77 | Posted by Tor at 2019-10-22 04:07 PM | Reply

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