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Sunday, October 20, 2019

Australian carrier Qantas has completed a test of the longest non-stop commercial passenger flight as part of research on how the journey could affect pilots, crew and passengers.

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Not. This. Kid.

Love that plane, but not for that long.

#1 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-10-20 01:00 AM | Reply

Ambien

#2 | Posted by hamburglar at 2019-10-20 11:19 AM | Reply

There is no way I would do that and not be in business class.

#3 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-20 11:41 AM | Reply

I'm not sure I could even do it in a pod. 6 hours on a plane is about my limit.

#4 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-10-20 12:02 PM | Reply

"I'm not sure I could even do it in a pod. 6 hours on a plane is about my limit.

#4 | POSTED BY REDIAL "

The pod AND free booze?

#5 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-20 12:05 PM | Reply

I would like to take a trip on the 787 one day, though.

#6 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-20 12:07 PM | Reply

I use a 787 Pod when I fly between Calgary and Toronto. It's pretty cushy and has free booze but I still want off. And that's only 4 hours.

Probably the most inefficient use of a plane like that... 787 has about a 15,000 km range and that route is about 3,300 km.

#7 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-10-20 12:16 PM | Reply

My main issue is the terrible internet speeds on planes. If they better wifi and a private bathroom I could do a 20 hour flight no problem.

#8 | Posted by byrdman at 2019-10-20 01:41 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

If they better wifi and a private bathroom I could do a 20 hour flight no problem.

Emirates has private suites for first class, but it's about $15K one way almost anywhere.

#9 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-10-20 01:50 PM | Reply

The pods vary from airline to airline of course, but of the four or five different airlines I've used to get to the other side, KLM had the best. Their food and wine selection is superior, too.

One would think Lufthansa would be at the top of the pod and food list, but surprisingly, I found them to be at the bottom.

United isn't bad. That's a good thing because that's with whom I have most of my FF miles.

#10 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-20 02:00 PM | Reply

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"Emirates has private suites for first class, but it's about $15K one way almost anywhere.

#9 | POSTED BY REDIAL "

I'm learning to like train travel. You can get a two person private suite, with beds, of course, and meals for very reasonably. Last year I went from San Antonio to Seattle via LA with a private room and it cost $2,200 IIRC. Yes, it took two days to get there, but the sightseeing is wonderful. Also, if you have a private room, you have access to this one lounge car which has a glass roof and tall windows. That made it great going through the Cascades.

The food was surprisingly good. The first night I had Tuscan style lamb shank in white beans with a reduced wine sauce.

#11 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-20 02:05 PM | Reply

I'm learning to like train travel.

I can get on Amtrak in Eureka which is only a 2 hour drive from here. Have been tempted to try the run to the coast and down to California... looks like it goes through Vandenburg AFB.

#12 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-10-20 02:09 PM | Reply

"I can get on Amtrak in Eureka which is only a 2 hour drive from here. Have been tempted to try the run to the coast and down to California... looks like it goes through Vandenburg AFB.

POSTED BY REDIAL"

YES! The Coastal Starlight, I think is the name of that route. The section through Vandenburg is gorgeous. It is on top of cliffs high above the coastline. It is a beautiful section of that trip. It looks like something on a postcard or jigsaw puzzle.

The part through the Cascades is breathtaking as well. It runs literally at the base of some of the volanos.

#13 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-20 02:28 PM | Reply

I've learned some lessons on saving money on Amtrak -- after I spent too much! LOL. Let me know if you want some tips.

#14 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-20 02:29 PM | Reply

The secret to long flights it to play civilization in offline mode. 9 hours feels like minutes. If you time it right you can reset your clock in one day by 'staying up' while playing. Flying to Europe or Asia is no issue for me now. My only concern would be DVT.

#15 | Posted by bored at 2019-10-20 02:40 PM | Reply

My only concern would be DVT.

Don't forget FTS:
Fart Tube Syndrome.
That's when you breathe recycled air of 200+ passengers for 9 hours.

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-10-20 02:43 PM | Reply

The secret to long flights it to play civilization in offline mode.

That's how I got through an unplanned 13 hour layover in Winnipeg last winter.

#17 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-10-20 02:45 PM | Reply

That's when you breathe recycled air of 200+ passengers for 9 hours.

Airliners refresh cabin air more than a lot of typical office buildings. Most use bleed air from the engines but the 787 has a dedicated compressor.

#18 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-10-20 02:56 PM | Reply

#18 -- I was just going to post that. Some airliners do it as often as every three minutes.

Something I found interesting in that google is that the air brought in from the outside has to be cooled even thought it might be -30F. The reason is the same principle that makes diesel engines work. When the air is compressed, it heats it way above the comfort zoen,.

#19 | Posted by goatman at 2019-10-20 03:01 PM | Reply

"Airliners refresh cabin air more than a lot of typical office buildings."

Well, it's like 1% the volume of air, so...

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-10-20 03:02 PM | Reply

Well, it's like 1% the volume of air, so...

Where do you get that from? Boeings typically use 50% fresh and 50% recycled air and turn over the air in the whole cabin every 5ish minutes when in flight.

Where it sucks is on the ground.

#21 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-10-20 03:10 PM | Reply

"Well, it's like 1% the volume of air, so...
Where do you get that from?"

From the volume of an office building compared to the volume of a pressurized aircraft hull.

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-10-20 03:12 PM | Reply

OK. So what does that have to do with anything?

#23 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-10-20 03:15 PM | Reply

It has to do with the fart-to-air ratio of the gaseous environment within each respective volume.
Smaller volume, higher fart concentration.

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-10-20 03:19 PM | Reply

Probably the most inefficient use of a plane like that... 787 has about a 15,000 km range and that route is about 3,300 km.

#7 | POSTED BY REDIAL AT 2019-10-20 12:16 PM | FLAG:

It's more efficient to flow shorter routes. That range only works on a full tank of gas. Put on a 30% fuel load for a safety margin and off you go. It takes something like 60,000 pounds out of the airframe. It'd be 20% more efficient than a 767 on the same trip.

#25 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-10-20 03:51 PM | Reply

It's more efficient to flow shorter routes.

It's more efficient for the plane but not the airline. They bought the 787s to serve their European routes, doesn't make a lot of sense fly them domestically. They use the short routes to certify crews on the new planes for the most part.

#26 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-10-20 04:00 PM | Reply

Smaller volume, higher fart concentration.

Not if the air exchange rate is the same or higher.

#27 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-10-20 04:02 PM | Reply

No arguments here!

Favorite office building I ever worked in, we could open the windows.

Come to think of it, my favorite aircraft ride was a Free Helicopter Ride from EWR to JFK; we had the door open to get a better view of the Statue of Liberty and the WTC.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-10-20 04:06 PM | Reply

It's more efficient for the plane but not the airline.

#26 | POSTED BY REDIAL AT 2019-10-20 04:00 PM | FLAG:

Not once you get into load factors, route volume, depot positioning, etc. The are suitable domestic 787 routes in Canada & the US.

#29 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-10-20 04:20 PM | Reply

Maybe it's all in my head, but I have gotten to the point where I select flights on Airbus over those on Boeing jets. I know that the carrier has a say in configuration, but on one occasion I found myself in the dreaded middle seat flying from Doha to London. I was pissed at first because Qatar air put my in a seat I hadn't selected, but during the flight I felt it wasn't all that bad.

Yesterday I flew on a 767 from Frankfurt into JFK, followed by a 737 in Vegas. Both flights were terrible, and my knees were rubbing against the seat in front of me. Very uncomfortable. And it was a Delta jet. I always regarded Delta as the best of the US carriers.

#30 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-10-20 04:47 PM | Reply

Sounds like you've never flown on a Spirit A320 lol.

#31 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-10-20 04:57 PM | Reply

Nope.

I did fly Allegiant once though. It wasn't bad. It was an MD80, but there was a ton of leg room.

I live in Europe now, where Ryan is big...and incredibly cheap. It costs more to check a bag than it does to purchase a seat. A non-reclining seat covered in ads.

#32 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-10-20 08:50 PM | Reply

For a cheap business seat, transatlantic check out Norwegian air. The business class is like our domestic but you do get free wine and beer. No pod, but a pretty comfortable seat. My wife and I have used them several times going out of Oakland and SFO to Europe.

#33 | Posted by Badcat at 2019-10-21 02:49 PM | Reply

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