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Monday, October 21, 2019

Amid House Democrats' impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump's dealings with Ukraine, a near-record-high 34% of Americans cite the government, poor leadership or politicians as the most important problem currently facing the U.S. This latest reading marks an 11-percentage-point increase since September and is just one point shy of the all-time high Gallup has recorded for mentions of government, from February, after the government shutdown ended.

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... "Government," which includes negative comments about leadership and politicians ...

Dissatisfaction with "Government," while in a downward trend during the last two years of the Obama administration, seems to be in an uptrend since Pres Trump took office.

... primarily because Republicans are less likely to be satisfied. ...

Well, golly gee, who put Pres Trump in the Oval Office?

#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-10-21 01:33 PM | Reply

While both major parties are disgruntled with government in general, their ire is focused on different groups. In the same poll, presidential job approval remained flat at 39%, while approval of Congress rose seven points to 25%. Republicans still largely approve of Trump and disapprove of Congress, but Democrats nearly unanimously disapprove of Trump, and their approval of Congress has climbed from 19% to 34%.

#2 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-10-21 01:49 PM | Reply

Not surprising. The do-nothing democrats have spent all their time investigating rather than legislating on the issues they campaigned on in 2018.

#3 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-10-21 01:52 PM | Reply

Well, golly gee, who put Pres Trump in the Oval Office?

That would be the so-called "Obama Cross-over Voters".

#4 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-10-21 01:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

... The do-nothing democrats ...

Aside from the tax-cut giveaway their wealthy donors paid for, what did the Republicans accomplish during the two years they had a majority in both Houses of Congress and occupied the Oval Office?

They couldn't even pass two of their more important promised pieces of legislation - immigration reform and healthcare reform.

#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-10-21 02:17 PM | Reply

The do-nothing democrats have spent all their time investigating rather than legislating on the issues they campaigned on in 2018.

Meanwhile, in reality, the House has passed the following bills:

Health care

HR 259 " Medicaid Extenders Act of 2019
House Resolution 271 " Condemning the Trump Administration's Legal Campaign to Take Away Americans' Health Care
HR 986 " Protecting Americans with Preexisting Conditions Act of 2019
HR 987 " Strengthening Health Care and Lowering Prescription Drug Costs Act
HR 1520, the Purple Book Continuity Act (bill aimed at lowering the cost of prescription drugs)
HR 1503, the Orange Book Transparency Act of 2019 (bill aimed at lowering the cost of prescription drugs)

Civil rights

HR 1 " For the People Act of 2019
HR 5 " Equality Act
HR 7 " Paycheck Fairness Act
HR 124 " Expressing opposition to banning service in the Armed Forces by openly transgender individuals

Gun control

HR 8 " Bipartisan Background Checks Act of 2019
HR 1112 " Enhanced Background Checks Act of 2019

Environment

HR 9 " Climate Action Now Act
HR 1331 " Local Water Protection Act
S 47 " National Resources Management Act
HR 2578 " National Flood Insurance Program Extension Act of 2019

Military/foreign affairs

HR 840 " Veterans' Access to Child Care Act
HJ Res. 37 " Directing the removal of United States Armed Forces from hostilities in the Republic of Yemen that have not been authorized by Congress
SJ Res. 7 " To direct the removal of United States Armed Forces from hostilities in the Republic of Yemen that have not been authorized by Congress
HR 31 " Caesar Syria Civilian Protection Act of 2019
HJ Res. 30 " Disapproving the President's proposal to take an action relating to the application of certain sanctions with respect to the Russian Federation

Time to stop gargling Trump's balls and go read something, moron.

#6 | Posted by JOE at 2019-10-21 02:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

--HR 9 " Climate Action Now Act

Worthless horseschitt. When are they going to address the "existential threat" and pass a version of the New Green Scheme? It's an emergency! Only 10 years left! Probably 8 years left before they ever take it up.

#7 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-10-21 02:30 PM | Reply

I knew you'd cherrypick one bill and criticize it. Fact remains that McConnell's Senate is where progress, even the most modestly incremental, goes to die.

When are they going to address the "existential threat" and pass a version of the New Green Scheme?

When has leadership or a majority of dems wven supported that bill? What sort of strawman is this?

#8 | Posted by JOE at 2019-10-21 02:33 PM | Reply

--When has leadership or a majority of dems wven supported that bill? What sort of strawman is this?

Your leading candidates--Warren and Sanders--are co-sponsors.

#9 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-10-21 02:42 PM | Reply

Agree, in that the Deep State is the problem.

#10 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-10-21 02:52 PM | Reply

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@#10 ... the Deep State ...

Appropriate cartoon...
www.realclearpolitics.com

#11 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-10-21 03:38 PM | Reply

The Derp State is the problem

#12 | Posted by hamburglar at 2019-10-21 04:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Government has been the problem for a 100 years now.

#13 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-10-21 05:01 PM | Reply

Government has been the problem for a 100 years now.
#13 | POSTED BY SNIPER

Trump has expounded that problem by about 100 times.

Interesting coincidence, no?

#14 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-10-21 05:05 PM | Reply

Not surprising. The do-nothing democrats have spent all their time investigating rather than legislating on the issues they campaigned on in 2018.

#3 | Posted by nullifidian

You mean patriots have spent their time trying to enforce the law and protect the nation from a russian asset installed to harm the entire country.

You morons investigated hillary for years over bengazi and emails. They're STILL investigating her and can't find anything. Trump has to stonewall law enforcement and install a puppet in the justice department to hide all his crimes. Hillary testified to congress under oath to congress for 11 hours. Trump couldnt do that for 11 seconds.

#15 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-21 05:48 PM | Reply

Agree, in that the Deep State is the problem.

#10 | Posted by MSgt

That's like saying cops are the reason there are so many reports of crimes. If cops would just stop picking up the phone, the catalogued crime rate would drop. Of course murders and stealing would go way up...

#16 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-21 05:50 PM | Reply

Is NulliDunce back with his "10 years" squeal?

It's all he has so he might as well milk it.

Never mind there's ample evidence AGW is already happening but science-illiterates like NulliDunce continue to ignore it.

It's as dumb as SnipeWhore's "Whattabout Dinosaurs? " idiocy.

He so stupid he thinks if AGW doesn't occur at the stroke of midnight 10 years from now it's a charade.

Saying Democrats have done nothing is a lie but NulliDunce is happy to repeat it. Straight from Faux to NulliDunce's ignorant yapper.

#17 | Posted by zarnon at 2019-10-21 06:01 PM | Reply

What this country needs its hours of crises is Virgin Hillary to restore faith in good government.

Vote Hillary 2020.

In all seriousness, I'd love to see Hillary be a three times loser.

#18 | Posted by Ray at 2019-10-21 06:11 PM | Reply

Every time I hear the phrase "deep state" I wonder what this country would look like if it didn't have a couple of million permanent employees. These are, for the most part, civil service jobs, not political appointees. Can you imagine if we had to lay off/fire all of them every four years and hire all new employees? You couldn't even complete the hiring in four years, much less get anything else done.

Is the idea that we shouldn't have career employees and the institutional memory that goes with that? Funny that most conspiracy theories (especially the right-wing ones) fall apart the minute you apply any logical thought to them. Most of them require so many participants to be in on the deal that there's no way it could be kept secret for long.

Government, especially in a representative republic is a complicated thing. This is a nation spanning a continent with 330 million people. There is no "simple" way to govern that. Right wingers just don't want to be a "country". They want us to be 50 "sovereign" states, i.e., "countries". They want to go back before the Constitution (when America was Great).

#19 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2019-10-21 06:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

--Is NulliDunce back with his "10 years" squeal?

What? Has the "10-years left" hysteria been canceled? I didn't come up with that fearmongering number. It was your team: so-called UN experts, Al Gore, Jane Fonda, Greta Thunberg, AOC, etc.

We've had "10 years left" since 1989, 2006, 2008, 2018, etc. Good to hear we have more than 10 years left in 2019.

#20 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-10-21 06:45 PM | Reply

There are some good write-ups on "An Inconvenient Truth" and what it got right and what it got wrong. Not that it matters.

Now post some more graphs of November ice increasing in the Arctic as proof that global warming is a hoax.
Follow it up with an anecdote about a small boat getting caught in ice when trying to navigate part of the Northwest Passage.

I'll post full cruise line itineraries of that passage - now available - for transit from Tromso Norway to Nome Alaska.

#21 | Posted by YAV at 2019-10-21 07:08 PM | Reply

We've had "10 years left" since 1989, 2006, 2008, 2018, etc. Good to hear we have more than 10 years left in 2019.

#20 | Posted by nullifidian

Of all the things that you could make into your private crusade, it's bizarre that you've chosen anti environmentalism. It just shows how all you have to do is make gullible chumps hate liberals, then they'll attack anything liberals fight for, even if it's their own survival.

#22 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-21 07:14 PM | Reply

&nbp

@#16 ... That's like saying cops are the reason there are so many reports of crimes. ...

Somewhat along the lines you mention, a few days ago I mentioned that I was re-evaluating my opinion of what is meant by "the deep state."

Based upon the events and evidence of the past couple three weeks...

I am beginning to form the opinion that the mysterious Deep State that seems to haunt Pres Trump really is his acknowledgement of those in government who tell him things like, ~don't do that, it is not legal.~

#23 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-10-21 07:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Of all the things that you could make into your private crusade, it's bizarre that you've chosen anti environmentalism...

#22 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

That's every bit as disingenuous as those who love to conflate legal immigration with illegal immigration.

*Nothing wrong with recognizing the problems posed by a warming planet and advocating for measures to try and mitigate it.

*It's quite another to scream that armageddon is upon us and we need to turn the entire world over to a central planning team to tackle the problem.

You fall in the latter camp and the 2 camps are NOT even remotely close.

#24 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-10-21 07:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

*Nothing wrong with recognizing the problems posed by a warming planet and advocating for measures to try and mitigate it.

#24 | Posted by JeffJ

Nulli never does that. He simply whines about environmentalism as if the fact that scientists cant give an exact figure on the date of no return means scientists dont know anything and therefore we can pollute all we want.

#25 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-21 07:25 PM | Reply

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Citation please

#26 | Posted by eberly at 2019-10-21 07:32 PM | Reply

--as proof that global warming is a hoax.

I never said that. What I have said is that the problem is wildly exaggerated in order to further the Left's traditional agenda, some version of socialism. You can believe in moderate, manageable AGW without buying into catastrophic global warming. The former doesn't require the latter. But you people need to push the apocalyptic version to scare people into accepting radical policies you want with or without CGW.

#27 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-10-21 07:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"You can believe in moderate, manageable AGW without buying into catastrophic global warming."

So, what's being done to manage it?

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-10-21 07:36 PM | Reply

You mostly notice government when it's getting in your way so I can see where the dissatisfaction comes from.

I don't notice the government when I am driving down the government roads, but I sure notice the government cops.
I don't notice OSHA keeping me from injury till I'm getting a fine for not wearing a hard hat.
etc.

As a libertarian I do think the government has gotten way to big but I also understand that it is trying to meet the needs of 320 million people.

A good start would be to get rid of all the moralizing busybody laws if no one else is being harmed by your actions it shouldn't be illegal. Then once we trim that fat we can look at what else needs to be done.

#29 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2019-10-21 07:36 PM | Reply

"*It's quite another to scream that armageddon is upon us and we need to turn the entire world over to a central planning team to tackle the problem."

Who is making that argument?

Let's see where Sanders, Warren, Biden etc. advocate to "turn the entire world over to a central planning team."

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-10-21 07:41 PM | Reply

I never said that. What I have said is that the problem is wildly exaggerated in order to further the Left's traditional agenda, some version of socialism. You can believe in moderate, manageable AGW without buying into catastrophic global warming. The former doesn't require the latter. But you people need to push the apocalyptic version to scare people into accepting radical policies you want with or without CGW.

#27 | Posted by nullifidian

The left doesn't care HOW you address climate change, they just want you morons to do SOMETHING.

That's why we offered cap and trade. So the wall street greedbags could profit off a solution. But that wasn't good enough for them. They still whine about having to do ANYTHING that hampers maximum profits.

YOU tell me a solution to climate change that doesn't involve rules. And the only thing that can enforce rules is government.

Capitalist under regulation got us where we are today. Sorry but unregulated capitalism is not going to solve it.

The fact that you're too stupid to see the potential catastrophes resulting from climate change doesn't mean they don't exist. That's a failure of your education, not science.

#31 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-21 07:48 PM | Reply

--That's a failure of your education, not science.

I've probably taken more college courses in ecology and environmental studies than any of you hysterics.

#32 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-10-21 07:53 PM | Reply

"I've probably taken more college courses in ecology and environmental studies than any of you hysterics."

Then you should be able to articulate why global warming is manageable, and how it's being managed, to prevent catastrophe.

You can't do that.

None of y'all deniers can do that.

All you can do is yell "Socialism bad!"

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-10-21 08:01 PM | Reply

I've probably taken more college courses in ecology and environmental studies than any of you hysterics.

#32 | Posted by nullifidian

From where? Trump university? Liberty University? Koch brothers community college?

There's no way anyone who has studied the issue would conclude that man isn't in danger of doing massive harm to our society from what we are doing the the environment.

#34 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-21 08:02 PM | Reply

@#32 ... I've probably taken more college courses in ecology and environmental studies than any of you hysterics. ...

Dignity does not consist in possessing honors, but in deserving them.
- Aristotle


#35 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-10-21 08:13 PM | Reply

Then you should be able to articulate why global warming is manageable, and how it's being managed, to prevent catastrophe.
All you can do is yell "Socialism bad!"
#33 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

There's no way anyone who has studied the issue would conclude that man isn't in danger of doing massive harm to our society from what we are doing the the environment.
#34 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

They don't call it the Loony Left for nothing.

If at first, second and hundredth time you don't succeed, try again harder.

#36 | Posted by Ray at 2019-10-21 08:42 PM | Reply

Ray, another one who is unable to draw the line between moderate, manageable global warming and the catastrophic variety.

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-10-21 08:47 PM | Reply

Snoofy - you can't even manage your bowel movements.

#38 | Posted by Ray at 2019-10-21 08:49 PM | Reply

They don't call it the Loony Left for nothing.

If at first, second and hundredth time you don't succeed, try again harder.

#36 | Posted by Ray a

What was the point of that post?

Can't you at least offer some climate denial propaganda? If you dont think it's a problem, let's see your proof.

If you're going to say scientists are looney, who's NOT looney? Trump? Climate deniers who get their info from the heritage foundation? Come on ray, bring it. Who do you choose to trust over scientists?

#39 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-21 08:55 PM | Reply

@#36 ... They don't call it the Loony Left for nothing. ...

Who is the "they" to which you refer?

#40 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-10-21 08:57 PM | Reply

"In all seriousness, I'd love to see Hillary be a three times loser."

Talk her into buying gold and eschewing vaccines.

#41 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-10-21 09:02 PM | Reply

"Who do you choose to trust over scientists?"

Vitamin idiots who prefer pretense over, say, cancer treatments.

#42 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-10-21 09:07 PM | Reply

"Not surprising. The do-nothing democrats have spent all their time investigating rather than legislating on the issues they campaigned on in 2018."

That is a lie, Democrats have passed many bills and sent them along to the Senate. It's MoscowMitch who pretends anything from getting done.

#43 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-22 11:58 AM | Reply

"I've probably taken more college courses in ecology and environmental studies than any of you hysterics."

As I've long suspected. You're apparently incapable of learning.

#44 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-22 12:03 PM | Reply

That would be the so-called "Obama Cross-over Voters".

#4 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

God you've become such a joke.

And not even a funny one.

#45 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-22 04:11 PM | Reply

I've probably taken more college courses in ecology and environmental studies than any of you hysterics.

#32 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Yeah right. You always talk a big game about your education and knowledge but bring jack dick to the table in your comments.

#46 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-22 04:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

LOL @ Ray "Dow1400" Goldbug calling somebody else loony

#47 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-22 04:42 PM | Reply

#6 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2019-10-21 02:19 PM | FLAG: Bills great titles, but it is the content/ [rules, regulations, im[posed on us] that one must worry about. Many bills are passed [some evene good intentions], but end up a disasters for We The People.

#48 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-10-22 05:06 PM | Reply

"They don't call it the Loony Left for nothing."

Judging by the loony reactions, that statement must have hit a nerve.

#49 | Posted by Ray at 2019-10-22 05:30 PM | Reply

Government is not the problem. Republican Control of government is.

When the republicans running the government view the government as a bad thing they can make it bad. Then they tell the rubes how bad "the government" is. Then the rubes blame "the government" instead of the republicans running it. Just like they convince everyone that since none of the multitude of bills the House has passed have been taken up by the republican senate, it is somehow the house democrats' fault that McConnell hasn't addressed any of them.

#50 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-10-23 12:41 PM | Reply

#6 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2019-10-21 02:19 PM | FLAG: Bills great titles, but it is the content/ [rules, regulations, im[posed on us] that one must worry about. Many bills are passed [some evene good intentions], but end up a disasters for We The People.

#48 | POSTED BY MSGT

Agreed. If only we could get Republicans to stop introducing and passing those disasters.

Oh hey, did the Tax Cut pay for itself yet?

#51 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-10-23 01:19 PM | Reply

#51 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2019-10-23 01:19 PM | FLAG: Has for us as we have more money to invest because we know better than the govt when it comes to utilizing our income.

Conversely, I am sure that your ilk believe that the govt can do better with your hard earned dollars than you can for yourself. libbies/progs love a govt taking care of them ass they consider themselves incapable.

#52 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-10-23 01:25 PM | Reply

Speaking of good sounding Bill 'titles'. Affordable Care Act sounded good, did it not? Unfortunately many cannot 'afford' the deductible, and it still left many without coverage.

Facts First: It's true that some Obamacare plans have deductibles over $7,000 for a single person and many family policies have even higher deductibles. ... Family bronze plans have an average deductible of just under $12,200 and an average out-of-pocket maximum of nearly $14,000.Apr 2, 2019
Fact Check: Are Obamacare's deductibles more than $7,000 ...
www.cnn.com 2019 politics fact-check-obamacare-deduct...

#53 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-10-23 01:30 PM | Reply

#53

I love when vets try and tell me how bad the private health care landscape is for me.

My Deductible is the same as my out of pocket max. $6750 for me $13500 for the family. I met mine in January the rest of the family has only used 1500 so my 8k a month med plus MRI plus 2 neuro trips plus 4 primary care trips plus 1 neuro-ophthalmologist trip have all been covered.

After subsidy my total cost to date for the family is $9500 (includes Nov. premium which I already paid).

Prior to ACA I could not get coverage at any price, I lost 2 jobs because of the cost I added to their health plans (of course they couldn't say that was the reason but when you get let go right around the time they are negotiating insurance for the up coming year after maxing out every review prior to that well it doesn't take a genius especially the second time it happens)

So is insurance still expensive, yeah but is it an irrational number better than before.

#54 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2019-10-23 01:50 PM | Reply

#54 | POSTED BY TAOWARRIOR AT 2019-10-23 01:50 PM | REPLY |

It's amazing how insurance companies used to be able to get people fired by saying fire him or I'll charge all your employees double next year without any consequences. It happened to me when my kidneys failed. I was unhireable until Obamacare. I am up for a raise in mid december and should break six figures. I have relevant in demand skills but without obamacare that didn't matter

#55 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-10-23 04:10 PM | Reply

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