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Tuesday, October 22, 2019

The Associated Press is reporting that the Iraq military appears to be contradicting the Trump Administration by saying American troops do not have permission to stay in Iraq. U.S. Defense Secretary Mark Esper announced that the troops ordered to abandon the Kurds in Syria would be serving in Iraq to continue the U.S.'s fight against the Islamic State. Iraq's military says those troops are not welcome to stay in Iraq.

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This is what amateur hour looks like.

A real president would have made sure the logistics were worked out before committing to a plan of action.

Putin and Ergodan call and Fat Nixon jumps. Now ISIS has a way back into Syria.

Fat Nixon can now go golfing knowing the Celebrity Appresident has yet again served his masters.

#1 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-10-22 09:07 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I think Trump should tell the Iraqis we will bring our troops out of Iraq but don't even think about asking us to bring them back.

#2 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-22 09:19 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Your reasoning is all over the map. I guess the Pottery Barn rule doesn't apply this week.

#3 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2019-10-22 09:30 AM | Reply

"Your reasoning is all over the map. I guess the Pottery Barn rule doesn't apply this week."

It works until they tell us to leave, I'm perfectly fine with keeping there to prevent ISIS from returning. But, if they want us to leave then I think we should respect their wishes even though I think they will regret that decision.

#4 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-22 09:50 AM | Reply

I'm perfectly fine with keeping there to prevent ISIS from returning.

Does that also include immunity from prosecution? I think that was a sticking point the last time.

#5 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-10-22 10:45 PM | Reply

"Does that also include immunity from prosecution? I think that was a sticking point the last time."

Our troops should always be subject to prosecution under our laws but not under the laws of Iraq. Wouldn't be fair to ask them to serve over there otherwise.

#6 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-23 06:29 AM | Reply

#2 | Posted by danni

The problem is that the ISIS "statte" is defeated. So Iran and Russia can provide Iraq all the help it needs. Not to mention Turkey if it means slaughtering Kurds.

#7 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-10-23 08:57 AM | Reply

#6 | Posted by danni

But that was the sticking point and why we left Iraq in the first place. They insisted that American's be subject to Iraqi law.

#8 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-10-23 08:58 AM | Reply

"But that was the sticking point and why we left Iraq in the first place. They insisted that American's be subject to Iraqi law."

I supported leaving over that and I still do. We cannot ask American soldiers to subject themselves to Sharia Law.

"The problem is that the ISIS "state" is defeated. So Iran and Russia can provide Iraq all the help it needs. Not to mention Turkey if it means slaughtering Kurds."

Trump opened a big can of worms when he pulled our troops out of Northern Syria, he didn't consult with the Generals, now it is just a big disaster for the U.S. and the Kurds.

#9 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-23 12:06 PM | Reply

Of course he consulted with the Generals. Your new best friend Mattis? Trump knows what he thought about Syria inside out.

Trump is the President. That's your basic problem.

Trump made a good decision. Panning out fine.

If the Generals couldn't figure this solution out, *bad* on them.

You can consult with your Representatives in Congress and demand that they *finally* declare war in Syria.

#10 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-10-23 12:34 PM | Reply

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Obama, Clinton, Kerry and Pelosi said long ago that Assad *has to go*. They could have readily succeeded in that self-chosen goal.

Would have been great for re-election in 2012, except Obama was running the war *covertly*.

*If it was such a good idea, why was our initial involvement in Syria in 2012 covert?*

They even drew a *Red Line in the sand* which Assad promptly crossed, gassing his own civilians.

When they held power, Democrat leadership just could not manage to do the job they said they wanted to get done.

One can conclude that the Democrat leadership was content with stretching a 30 day commitment into nearly 10 years.

One can conclude that the Democrats were content with the rise of the ISIS territorial Caliphate.

Why should Trump, or any American, take advice from *leaders* who screwed things up so badly?

The left is only happy when American soldiers bleed and die in vain, to be used as political *pawns*.

#11 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-10-23 12:48 PM | Reply

The left is only happy when American soldiers bleed and die in vain, to be used as political *pawns*.

There are more troops in the Middle East today than there were when Trump took office, and you appear to be happy about it. Kind of contradicts your post.

#12 | Posted by JOE at 2019-10-23 12:53 PM | Reply

*If it was such a good idea, why was our initial involvement in Syria in 2012 covert?*
When they held power, Democrat leadership just could not manage to do the job they said they wanted to get done.
One can conclude that the Democrat leadership was content with stretching a 30 day commitment into nearly 10 years.
One can conclude that the Democrats were content with the rise of the ISIS territorial Caliphate.
Why should Trump, or any American, take advice from *leaders* who screwed things up so badly?
The left is only happy when American soldiers bleed and die in vain, to be used as political *pawns*.

#11 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

How was it covert? We announced we had troops there when we sent them. That's not exactly covert. The only covert portion was WHERE they were exactly. And that's standard.

Do the job? First you don't want a fully armed conflict in Syria then you whine about not getting the job done because we didn't invade.

Democrats were content with the rise of the ISIS territorial Caliphate? Really? Because it crumbled under Obama's strategic work with our allies especially the Kurds.

Screwed up? Obama essentially defeated ISIS without a full invasion or significant loss of US Soldiers in Iraq and Syria.

The Left is only happy when American soldiers bleed and die in vain? If they wanted that, they would have invaded and then set ISIS free. Instead, Trump set thousands of ISIS members free by leaving Syria...where US soldiers weren't in any danger.

You're too stupid to be here. Go home.

#13 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-10-23 01:05 PM | Reply

How was it covert?

#13 | Posted by Sycophant

Benghazi

#14 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-10-23 01:16 PM | Reply

First you don't want a fully armed conflict in Syria then you whine about not getting the job done because we didn't invade.

#13 | Posted by Sycophant

You must not *know about me*.

I didn't want to be there, but I supported the President taking decisive action when his Red Line got crossed. Me and Corky.

Obama should have demanded Congress declare war.

Its not too late for you to call your Representatives and do the same.

#15 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-10-23 01:19 PM | Reply

ISIS crumbled under Obama's strategic work with our allies especially the Kurds.

#13 | Posted by Sycophant

Tragically, you are lying.

#16 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-10-23 01:20 PM | Reply

Trump has turned the US into an international joke. Well done Republicans. You built that. Now even Iraq and Syria is kicking our asses out of there. Remember that distant time, long ago, when other nations actually respected and feared the US. Bring back Obama!

#17 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-10-23 02:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I remember when Obama wanted to keep our troops in Iraq after the date Bush had negotiated for the pullout and Iraq told him to buzz.
Do you remember that time, moder8?

Why do you want our troops in the Middle East? Do you think a foreign country should be able to decide who is and who isn't allowed to be in their country?

#18 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2019-10-23 02:48 PM | Reply

I believe America's military movements should not be dictated to by any 3rd World totalitarian regime in the world.

#19 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-10-23 02:53 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Then why would you want Obama back?
Iraq told him to buzz, and he did.
Syria told him to buzz, and he did.

#20 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2019-10-23 02:59 PM | Reply

No. You are wrong. But you already know that if you bother to accurately review history. Obama made numerous NEEDED adjustments. Trump turned tail and fled when Putin, Erdogan and Assad told him to.

#21 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-10-23 03:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Syria told him to buzz, and he did.

You of all people should know that the way you "buzz" has immediate and long-term implications for peace, stability and life in the region. The immediacy of Trump's withdrawal was intentional, and created a crisis and power vaccuum that allowed the same foreign powers who benefit from virtually everything he does to benefit again.

#22 | Posted by JOE at 2019-10-23 03:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I believe America's military movements should not be dictated to by any 3rd World totalitarian regime in the world.
#19 | Posted by moder8

*poseur*

#23 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-10-23 03:45 PM | Reply

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Obama wanted to stay after the negotiated withdrawal date, Iraq told him to pound salt.
That's not a needed adjustment, that's him being told what to do by a 3rd world regime.

#24 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2019-10-23 04:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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I'm not trying to be a dick, but I was addressing moder8's posts, so that wasn't the context.

I think the withdrawal was a horrible idea, and I didn't want to be there in the first place.
Don't get me wrong, I wasn't against missions there, I was against a footprint.
Leaving like that sends a horrible message to allies, and clearly can't be liked by the pentagon/troops.
I've long ago given up on peace and stability in the region, but the needless gas tossing trump did by the unplanned withdrawal was ridiculous.

#25 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2019-10-23 04:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

GREAT... THEN BRING THEM HOME... THIS WAR HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR 10 YEARS... ENUFF WOULD PREFER THEY SPEND MY TAX MONEY ON SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE...

ENUFF HAS BEEN SPENT OF THE MIDDLE EAST...

YA do know that eden was located there 10,000 years ago.... now look at it...

they paved paradise and put up a parking lot....

#26 | Posted by Pegasus at 2019-10-23 06:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Fat Nixon's never-ending cluxterfxxk is getting bigger, and soon may no longer be unwound! Look for more allies in the region to cease ties with the USA!

#27 | Posted by john47 at 2019-10-24 09:29 AM | Reply

"No. You are wrong. But you already know that if you bother to accurately review history. Obama made numerous NEEDED adjustments. Trump turned tail and fled when Putin, Erdogan and Assad told him to."

That's an interesting statement.

Turkey has been one of the strongest belligerents against the Assad regime, and funds many of the rebel groups fighting against Assad in Syria. Putin is allied with Assad, and in all honesty, has served as a stabilizing force in the region. If not for the Russian/Syrian coalition, ISIS would still control everything on the southern bank of the Euphrates.

Your comment suggests that Assad, Putin, and Erdogan are somehow in cahoots. I would view that as being highly unlikely.

#28 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-10-24 10:16 PM | Reply

"I've long ago given up on peace and stability in the region"

It was US involvement that lit the fuse on this mess. The Obama administration was determined to try and destabilize Assad, probably as a means of undermining Russian influence in the region, and in doing so unleashed the beast that was to morph into ISIS.

We need to learn that, as bad as some dictators may be...the alternative is likely far worse. As we saw in Libya, Iraq, and Egypt.

And Assad isn't/wasn't near the monster that some of the others were. Although you couldn't blame him if we turned him into one.

#29 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-10-24 10:21 PM | Reply

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