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Tuesday, October 22, 2019

William B. Taylor, the senior U.S. diplomat in Ukraine, testified before impeachment investigators Tuesday: "First, if Ukraine succeeds in breaking free of Russian influence, it is possible for Europe to be whole, free, democratic, and at peace. In contrast, if Russia dominate Ukraine, Russia will again become an empire, oppressing its people, and threatening its neighbors and the rest of the world ... By mid-July it was becoming clear to me that the meeting President Zelenskyy wanted was conditioned on the investigations of Burisma and alleged Urkranian interference in the 2016 U.S. elections. It was also clear that this condition was driven by the irregular policy channel I had come to understand was guided by Mr. Giuliani."

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Smoking gun? More like a smoking cannon.

#1 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-10-22 03:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump's release of the hold on military assistance to the Ukraine (who'd had 14,000 killed by Russians to that point in their Eastern border area) was, in a nutshell, contingent on them:

A. Digging up dirt on Biden's son - over a corruption investigation of Burisma that ended 2 years before he joined the board of Burisma, and found no wrongdoing. This occurred prior to the election of Zelenskyy on an anti-corruption platform. He subsequently fired corrupt government officials, held new parliamentary elections and gained a majority for his reformist party, and enacted a new constitution that lifted the ban on prosecuting members of the Ukraine Parliament.

B. Getting Putin off the hook for 2016 election meddling, seeking to focus the blame on the Ukraine, who played no role whatsoever.

#2 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-10-22 04:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This testimony is incredible.

And it won't make a lick of difference to Republicans.

At this point their only defense is that Amb. Sondland said "this isn't a quid pro quo," as if loudly proclaiming "this isn't an armed robbery" while you stick a gun in a bank teller's face and demand she empty the cash register somehow gets you off the hook.

#3 | Posted by JOE at 2019-10-22 04:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 9

This testimony is incredible.

And it won't make a lick of difference to Republicans.

"So SAD!" that they continue to support our bucket of slime POTUS.

#4 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-10-22 04:24 PM | Reply

And it won't make a lick of difference to Republicans.

#3 | Posted by JOE at 2019

Any Americans hearing it will care.

#5 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-22 04:35 PM | Reply

Any Americans hearing it will care.

#5 | Posted by Zed

Republicans should care about our democracy and rule of law. Maybe they will someday.

#6 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-10-22 04:39 PM | Reply

This should be headlining the front page.

#7 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-10-22 04:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Republicans should care about our democracy and rule of law. Maybe they will someday.

#6 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

America is dead to Trump's core supporters.

I still maintain hope for the rest of us.

#8 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-22 04:58 PM | Reply

If taylor has has documents proving what he was told Trump and Pence will be removed at the same time.

#9 | Posted by Tor at 2019-10-22 05:26 PM | Reply

Stunning.
Took me a while to read though it, absorb some of what was written, and piece it together with some of the other things I've heard/read.
This is amazing testimony.

#10 | Posted by YAV at 2019-10-22 06:29 PM | Reply

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It seems a little weird that it's a photocopy imaged with a phone or tablet...

#11 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-22 06:35 PM | Reply

It seems a little weird that it's a photocopy imaged with a phone or tablet...

#11 | Posted by jpw

A reporter probably found one on a table in the hearing room and took the photos.

#12 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-10-22 06:40 PM | Reply

It seems a little weird that it's a photocopy imaged with a phone or tablet...

There are full scanned versions out there now - and pdfs.
Time (should be free):
time.com

This one's WaPo - though you may be out of free access. I have a subscription:
www.washingtonpost.com

#13 | Posted by YAV at 2019-10-22 07:53 PM | Reply

Not many trumpets here, I see

People are beginning to roll over on the great orange one. At some point the ego gets out ran by conscience.

#14 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-10-22 07:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Not many trumpets here, I see

#14 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Cause goatman got suspended. So he can't come in and try to derail the entire thread into a petty squabble about whether 6 is different from a half dozen.

#15 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-22 08:07 PM | Reply

When I read the the things that stuck out to me were:
1) Sondland stated that the meeting with the WH wasn't what was at risk if Zelenskyy didn't make the public announcement that Trump wanted (which was investigating Biden), but that everything was at risk.
2) Trump directed the OMB hold all expenditures to Ukraine until his conditions were met.
3) The Trump appointees/agents said "no quid pro quo" while simultaneously stating that if they didn't get what they wanted, Ukraine wasn't getting anything.
4) They wanted Zelenskyy in a "public box" by getting him to say publicly that Biden and the 2016 election was under investigation.
5) That Trump wanted Ukraine to get Russia off the hook for their meddling in the 2016 election. Russia. A county that invaded Ukraine and is at war with them at the time of these meetings and calls. And saying "if you don't do it, we're at a stalemate with regards to you getting a dime or support from us."

And that's not all. Those are just the highlights from reading it and mulling it over, that I got out of it.

#16 | Posted by YAV at 2019-10-22 09:16 PM | Reply

When I read it, the things that...
I'm sure there are other mistakes.

#17 | Posted by YAV at 2019-10-22 09:17 PM | Reply

Cause goatman got suspended. So he can't come in and try to derail the entire thread into a petty squabble about whether 6 is different from a half dozen.

#15 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

LOL what did goatshart get suspended for?

#18 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-22 10:33 PM | Reply

18

for making speakstupid cry.

and he's still crying about it.

#19 | Posted by eberly at 2019-10-22 11:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

very interesting read.

What happens now?

#20 | Posted by eberly at 2019-10-22 11:20 PM | Reply

18

for making speakstupid cry.

and he's still crying about it.

#19 | Posted by eberly

He had to have said something nasty. Rcade hasn't doled out a vacation in a looooooong time.

#21 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-22 11:39 PM | Reply

With Goatman it could merely be a case of accrued dumbassery finally catching up to him. About time.

#22 | Posted by Corky at 2019-10-22 11:46 PM | Reply

Impeach him and indict him.

#23 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2019-10-23 12:02 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

6 is different than half a dozen. I was talking about bakers dozen . You liar.

#24 | Posted by bruceaz at 2019-10-23 12:21 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

He had to have said something nasty. Rcade hasn't doled out a vacation in a looooooong time.

#21 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-10-22 11:39 PM

Not based upon what I've observed. Goat had several lefties aching for a perma-ban and was given a vacation instead - and yes, over the last several months moderation has been generous and with little negative effect.

Keep in mind that it takes 2 to Tango and that, while certainly culpable, Goat's wars were only with a handful of posters...posters who not coincidentally are pretty abrasive in their own right.

#25 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-10-23 12:48 AM | Reply | Funny: 3

#25 | Posted by JeffJ

Goatman's version of 'tango' is criticizing other posters and rarely if ever debating the merits of a thread topic.

Back to the thread topic: Bill Taylor is a patriot who's served our nation for 50 years, beginning in Vietnam with the 101st Airborne followed by decades of other service to America.

I expect Sondland to be recalled. During his testimony, he jumped right over his most pertinent contacts with Taylor. Others will be called as well. Barr could very well be compelled to testify, both for not referring the whistleblower complaint to the FEC, but also his own personal efforts to aid Trump's efforts to extort the Ukraine.

Barr is not Trump's lawyer, he is America's chief attorney and law enforcement official.

#26 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-10-23 01:03 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Oh Jeffj you sad sad man. Rcade bends over for this fellow. I'll give you an example, go to flagged comments. My hilarious David Bowie take that you yourself flagged FF to is gone posted after the vacation yet a goatman post prior to that is still up.

So i'm going to take this opportunity to add a couple lines.

Trollers fighting on the DR
Oh man look at those cavemen go
It's the freakiest show
Rcade beating up the wrong man.....

#27 | Posted by bruceaz at 2019-10-23 01:04 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Goatman's version of 'tango' is criticizing other posters and rarely if ever debating the merits of a thread topic.

That is just false. Certainly he gets out there but, at worst, he matches the rhetoric of his lefty haters and I don't recall him actually calling for the banning of anybody on this site - correctly pointing out that certain others are more deserving is NOT the same thing as calling for a ban.

#28 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-10-23 01:07 AM | Reply | Funny: 4 | Newsworthy 1

Keep in mind that it takes 2 to Tango

Sure.

But that was his favorite game and he was almost always at the core of a collapsed or hijacked thread.

#29 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-23 01:08 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"What happens now?"

Well...Trump gets impeached, and no Republican Senator or DR Republican can find a single reason to vote for removal.

Haven't you seen the trailer?

#30 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-10-23 01:12 AM | Reply

#27 | POSTED BY BRUCEAZ

I absolutely agree that, for the most part, "moderation" has been not only fair but pretty lax over the last several months.

Look, I understand the opposition to Goat. I ALSO understand that he brings a lot to this site in many positive ways.

This has NOTHING to do with his suspension. Rcade has been very forgiving over the past year. That's not at all what this is about.

#31 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-10-23 01:15 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#28 | Posted by JeffJ

No, it isn't false. For example, one night before I logged in (I have him plonked,) I counted 36 Goatman posts out of 100 on the Comments Page. 36% of all posts that showed up. Anyway, nearly all of them were calling someone else a liar or other semantics nonsense and nothing about the topic of any of the threads he posted in. It's a shame because he's an intelligent guy, but that's his MO.

#32 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-10-23 01:17 AM | Reply

But that was his favorite game and he was almost always at the core of a collapsed or hijacked thread.

#29 | POSTED BY JPW

At the absolute worst he is a slightly watered-down version of Snoofy - a Snoofy who is still above the likes of Sniper, Monson, etc.

Yet, for some reason, Goat must be permanently driven from this site...

#33 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-10-23 01:22 AM | Reply

Well...Trump gets impeached, and no Republican Senator or DR Republican can find a single reason to vote for removal.

Haven't you seen the trailer?

#30 | Posted by Danforth

Isn't that the sad truth?

Well, they'll have to answer for their decisions next year. Several GOP senators are quite a bit underwater in their states - Ernst, Collins, Gardner, McSally, and others. And this could very well be McConnell's last term. His approval in Kentucky is only 34%. Kentuckians may come to the conclusion that he doesn't give a crap about them, and he has a formidable Dem opponent

#34 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-10-23 01:25 AM | Reply

He doesn't need to be driven from the site, just a little self moderation. I actually like the guy and it's all fun for awhile but 24/7 isn't fun for anyone and it gets to the point I don't think he's even having fun.

This site has yet to solve the world's problems.

#35 | Posted by bruceaz at 2019-10-23 01:29 AM | Reply

he matches the rhetoric of his lefty haters

He's disliked because he goes out of his way to act like a jerk who only comes here to argue nonsensical semantics about others, rarely the topic of a thread. Anyway, no need to make yet another thread about him.

#36 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-10-23 01:31 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Damn it. I hate to say it, but I really enjoy GOAT's presence on the DR.

I was truly excited when he came back. Yes, he has his quirks, especially focusing on the perceived hypocrisy of many posters here, typically that of Lefty's. But I enjoy his opinion nonetheless and will now miss his input once again.

I understand the vacation justification, but still not excited to see him go.

To the thread's topic, JEFFJ, you've got some splaining to do. Do you actually still perceive a lack of quid pro quo? If so, check out the latest thread I posted.

It's. Not. Looking. Good. For. Trump.

#37 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-10-23 01:40 AM | Reply

This site has yet to solve the world's problems.
#35 | POSTED BY BRUCEAZ

Damn, I had so much hope.

#38 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-10-23 01:41 AM | Reply

We'll get there

#39 | Posted by bruceaz at 2019-10-23 01:45 AM | Reply

We'll get there

#39 | Posted by bruceaz

www.youtube.com

:-)

#40 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-10-23 01:53 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Oh lord

#41 | Posted by bruceaz at 2019-10-23 01:57 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"It was a dark and stormy night ..." Was that how that thread the other day started? Any way.

It's shame what happened to Goatman.

"Bless his heart."

#42 | Posted by et_al at 2019-10-23 03:33 AM | Reply

Today I learned that the money to Ukraine was finally released by the WH 2 days after the Whistleblower's information was released. It sure looks like the WH was forced to finally release the money because they were caught red-handed.

Today we learned that the Republicans that were present in this hearing brought up conspiracy theories about 2016, Hillary's emails, and then, almost every Republican left for the rest of the day. The Republicans have chosen not to participate, not to ask relevant questions, and then to go out and deride Taylor (WH statement "radical unelected bureaucrat") and Nunes' ridiculous characterization of what was said (which flies in the face of Taylor's written opening statement).

Other things:
The reason these hearings are being held in the basement is because that's where the SCIF is.
The GOP has equal opportunity to ask questions, 1:1 with the Democrats.

#43 | Posted by YAV at 2019-10-23 07:44 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Jeff should take over for Conaway when she becomes the next temporary Chief of Staff

#44 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-10-23 08:13 AM | Reply

Goat left a series of logical fallacies that were irresistible to folks who come here to argue. He is a meth dealer on the steps of the 12 step program

#45 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-10-23 08:34 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

He also preyed on the goodwill of others. People engaged in good faith and then got upset when they found they were taken for a ride.

#46 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-10-23 08:48 AM | Reply

Speaking of distractions and hijacking threads - enough about goat.

To me what Trump and Pence are doing here is no doubt criminal. I would love some of the so-called Constutionalists (at least when it comes to the second amendment) here try to defend his actions. Trump has always been a dirty bastard. This time the evidence seems to have finally caught up with him.

#47 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-10-23 08:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Definitely, IMHO, quid pro quo.

#48 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-23 09:00 AM | Reply

Also, IMHO, when someone like Trump repeats "no quid quo pro" over and over, then gets his underlings to repeat it too, chances are he knows there was quid pro quo.
I'm getting to the point that I just don't even like the words "quid pro quo," and I'm tired of hearing it.

#49 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-23 09:02 AM | Reply

"I counted 36 Goatman posts out of 100 on the Comments Page. 36% of all posts that showed up. Anyway, nearly all of them were calling someone else a liar or other semantics nonsense and nothing about the topic of any of the threads he posted in. It's a shame because he's an intelligent guy, but that's his MO."

and did you bother to count the other posts from the 4-5 others who were coming after him over and over.

Can you say for certain the other posters (we know who they are) weren't being equally childish and off-topic with personal insults towards him??

of course not.

You're pointing out the 36 posts, fair enough...but it would appear you advocate a system here where someone attacks him with a falsehood (go read those posts directed towards him and who they are from and how untrue they are) and rather than defend himself...just take it.

#50 | Posted by eberly at 2019-10-23 09:09 AM | Reply

-He is a meth dealer on the steps of the 12 step program

and you were his customer.

#51 | Posted by eberly at 2019-10-23 09:10 AM | Reply

Yet, for some reason, Goat must be permanently driven from this site...

#33 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

I haven't personally called for that. I only pushed for sheeple but he seems to have stopped posting as much, at least under that name.

His behavior was hardly subtle or infrequent. There's no reason for him to be banned if he took his own advice and plonked frequent offenders and didn't constantly have to have the last word.

#52 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-23 09:15 AM | Reply

Today we learned that the Republicans that were present in this hearing brought up conspiracy theories about 2016, Hillary's emails, and then, almost every Republican left for the rest of the day. The Republicans have chosen not to participate, not to ask relevant questions, and then to go out and deride Taylor (WH statement "radical unelected bureaucrat") and Nunes' ridiculous characterization of what was said (which flies in the face of Taylor's written opening statement).

Of course they did.

They left to sacrifice a Virgin on the Altar of Lord Reagan to appease him and ask his blessing in saving their prophet, Donald J Trump. Surely he must be pleased with them for following his commandment to never speak I'll of a Republican, even when he's deserving of it and it's their Constitutional duty.

#53 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-23 09:22 AM | Reply

... By mid-July it was becoming clear to me that the meeting President Zelenskyy wanted was conditioned on the investigations of Burisma and alleged Urkranian interference in the 2016 U.S. elections. It was also clear that this condition was driven by the irregular policy channel I had come to understand was guided by Mr. Giuliani." ...

Ironic that Amb Taylor was appointed to his position by Pres Trump.

Ambassador William B. Taylor returns to Ukraine to lead US mission (June 2018)
www.kyivpost.com

...William B. Taylor, who served as U.S. ambassador to Ukraine from May 2006 to May 2009, has returned as charg d'affaires, the U.S. Embassy in Ukraine announced today.

"He will lead our team during this period of historic elections and transition," the U.S. Embassy statement said. "Ambassador Taylor brings a wealth of diplomatic experience to our team during this important moment in U.S.-Ukraine relations. He served as U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine from 2006 to 2009 and has also served as the State Department's special coordinator for Middle East Transitions, the U.S. representative to the Mideast Quartet, and in other diplomatic roles. Most recently, he was executive vice president at the U.S. Institute of Peace."...


#54 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-10-23 09:53 AM | Reply

Impeach him and indict him.
#23 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce

Goatman?

#55 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2019-10-23 10:20 AM | Reply

Today we learned that the Republicans that were present in this hearing brought up conspiracy theories about 2016, Hillary's emails, and then, almost every Republican left for the rest of the day.

#43 | POSTED BY YAV

How do you know this? Do you have a link?

I tried looking it up, but did not find anything that confirmed this. I am curious how long they were in the hearing.

#56 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-10-23 11:14 AM | Reply

That's from an interview I watched this morning on television - Eric Swalwell was giving a detailed reporting of the proceeding, responding to questions from Claire McCaskill, carefully avoiding any testimony and focused only on the dynamics of the meeting. It was on Morning Joe.

starts about 19:40 into it:
www.youtube.com

Hope that's useful.

#57 | Posted by YAV at 2019-10-23 11:27 AM | Reply

I believe he said "by the end of the day the Democrats outnumbered the Republicans 10:1" - or something close to that - but he didn't say after lunch or any other qualifier (that I recall).

#58 | Posted by YAV at 2019-10-23 11:44 AM | Reply

for making speakstupid cry.

and he's still crying about it.

#19 | Posted by eberly

Haha yeah I'm crying from ear to ear.

#59 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-23 12:50 PM | Reply

This testimony is incredible.

#3 | Posted by JOE

Testimony so effective it can't be made in public.

Joke's on *you*.

#60 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-10-23 01:49 PM | Reply

Yet, for some reason, Goat must be permanently driven from this site...

#33 | Posted by JeffJ

Goatie exposed the DR as a Wrap Up Smear.

Self-reinforcing comments based not on facts but on *the milieu* of stories Retorters repeat to themselves endlessly, ad infinitum.

Bad for Democrat *business* to have someone concisely point out facts.

#61 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-10-23 01:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Bad for Democrat *business* to have someone concisely point out facts.

#61 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

Point out facts about what? He was almost never discussing the topic of the thread. It was just endless whining about who's being mean to him and who lied and how long ago and blahblahblah.

He didn't get banned because he was such a powerful debater for the republican perspective that we just couldnt handle it. He got banned because he sucks.

I would hope anyone from either party would get banned if every thread they participated in turned into betty bickering with themselves as the star attraction.

#62 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-23 02:16 PM | Reply

*wrong*

#63 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-10-23 02:30 PM | Reply

Pompeo Cornered as Ukraine Envoy's Testimony Forces Hard Choice
www.bloomberg.com

...The acting U.S. envoy to Ukraine said he was told President Donald Trump wanted Ukraine's president "in a public box" in order to get him to investigate Joe Biden's son in exchange for military aid.

Instead, it was Secretary of State Michael Pompeo who got boxed in.

After the White House disparaged the testimony Tuesday by Ambassador William Taylor as the work of "radical unelected bureaucrats," Pompeo must choose between backing a career diplomat and fellow West Point graduate he installed in the job just five months ago or sticking with the president at the risk of alienating the foreign service officers he leads.

In a detailed 15-page opening statement to lawmakers in the House impeachment inquiry, Taylor said he saw a clear "quid pro quo" in Trump's decision to withhold military aid to Ukraine as leverage to extract political favors. He also recounted how it was Pompeo who personally asked him to serve as acting ambassador after the previous envoy, Marie Yovanovitch was recalled to Washington a few months early after running afoul of Trump and his personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani....

As Pompeo weighs Tuesday's developments, Taylor is still the charge d'affaires at the U.S. embassy in Kyiv, the outpost's highest-ranking diplomat. Sending him back to Ukraine to keep doing his job would be seen as an implicit rebuke of Trump and risk Pompeo's potential bid for a Senate seat next year, but not doing so would further damage the secretary's standing with the State Department rank-and-file he needs to carry out the president's foreign policy agenda.

Pompeo has already passed up repeated opportunities to speak up for Yovanovitch, whom Trump denigrated in a July 25 phone call with Zelenskiy, or other current and former staff who have testified to the impeachment inquiry committee -- and later been insulted by Trump or his advisers....



So, what do you think Sec Pompeo will do? Back his personnel, or kiss up to Pres Trump?


#64 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-10-23 02:52 PM | Reply

#64 - no brainer. He's all in. Trump wins, everyone else is making that bus ride bumpy with their bodies.

#65 | Posted by YAV at 2019-10-23 03:03 PM | Reply

Hearsay Impeachment

LOL

#66 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-10-23 03:07 PM | Reply

Say, do you guyzzz think the whistleblower is going to testify soonabout why his complaint doesn't match the transcript of the Perfect Phone Call?

Saving up ?

#67 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-10-23 03:09 PM | Reply

Hearsay is admissible in immigration court.

LOL, suck it immigrants!

#68 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-10-23 03:13 PM | Reply

Can we please have these hearings be public? Or, at the very least can we have full transcripts provided?

#69 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-10-23 03:16 PM | Reply

@#69 ... the very least can we have full transcripts provided? ...

The committees have said that they intend to publish the transcripts (redacted for national security issues) once the testimonies are over.



#70 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-10-23 03:22 PM | Reply

The committees have said that they intend to publish the transcripts (redacted for national security issues) once the testimonies are over.

#70 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

That's good to hear.

#71 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-10-23 03:24 PM | Reply

Can we please have these hearings be public?

This is analogous to a grand jury proceeding. When are those ever public? Is there a precedential or constitutional basis for your demand?

Or, at the very least can we have full transcripts provided?

The irony is not lost on me that many of the people who argued Mueller's grand jury materials should remain under seal/redacted are now demanding full transcripts of these proceedings.

#72 | Posted by JOE at 2019-10-23 03:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

So... the House will vote *again* soon?

I'll watch you hold your breath.

LOL

#73 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-10-23 03:29 PM | Reply

That's good to hear.

#71 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

They don't want the individual's answers to be public. Based upon what I am reading about Taylor's testimony, we should expect Sondland to be called back to testify because there are discrepancies between the two testimonies (Sondland might have been lying).

If you make the testimonies public, then people can conspire to coordinate their lies to make their testimonies consistent, therefore making it less likely for the lies to be discovered.

#74 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-10-23 03:57 PM | Reply

*they don't want the individual's answers to be public until they finish investigating.

#75 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-10-23 03:59 PM | Reply

Can we please have these hearings be public? Or, at the very least can we have full transcripts provided?

#69 | Posted by JeffJ

That isn't how it's done. These aren't 'hearings.' They're initial investigatory proceedings, like a grand jury. It should be noted that the Benghazi 'hearings' were primarily held behind closed doors.

The initial step of secure testimony from witnesses is being done in a secure facility because in many cases it includes information about diplomatic exchanges and other potentially classified communications.

Republican members of each of the three committees focused on the inquiry have been present throughout.

The next steps, including further public testimony, debate on the articles of impeachment, if any, and an actual impeachment trial held in the Republican-led Senate, are all public.

Before anyone brings up Clinton; before his impeachment proceedings began, Starr had already done the investigating and provided a lengthy report that was made public. There were no national security issues involved, so no need to have closed door testimony.

#76 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-10-23 04:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Hearsay Impeachment

LOL

#66 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

You're scared s***tless. LOL.

#77 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-23 04:03 PM | Reply

Can we please have these hearings be public? Or, at the very least can we have full transcripts provided?

#69 | Posted by JeffJ

The hearings will be public. Trump will have a chance to defend himself.

This is the INVESTIGATION phase. You know - the phase where you keep stuff secret so crooks can't corroborate their lies?

The whole LYNCHING complaint pretends that this is the whole process and trump will never be able to defend himself. A LIE.

#78 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-23 04:04 PM | Reply

The reason I'm asking for transcripts to be released is due to all of the selective leaking being done by Schiff and some of his colleagues.

Joe, AU and GTBrit all cite legitimate reasons for keeping these hearings private for now and I'd agree were it not for all of the leaking.

#79 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-10-23 04:05 PM | Reply

I'd agree were it not for all of the leaking.

#79 | Posted by JeffJ

Those are only the claims of butthurt Republicans.

Did you read how that smarmy (R) congressman, Matt Gaetz, led a gaggle of his right wing cronies in storming the secure hearing room during the deposition of Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense Laura Cooper ? Expect censures.

Rep. Bradley Byrne yelled in committee Chair Adam Schiff's face, but Schiff didn't engage.

"It was closest thing I've seen around here to mass civil unrest as a member of Congress," according to a source in the room.

Cooper left the room while the Republicans refused to leave.


AND:

Trump supported and had advance knowledge of today's lawless and dangerous House GOP storming of the hearing room, Bloomberg is reporting.

The lawlessness is getting worse.t.co

#80 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-10-23 04:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Joe, AU and GTBrit all cite legitimate reasons for keeping these hearings private for now and I'd agree were it not for all of the leaking.

#79 | Posted by JeffJ

Like what? Like Bill Taylor's publicly released opening statement? That's a release not a leak. And it contains everything you need to know to see that trump's whole gang is a bunch of crooks.

If there were anything going on behind those doors that was actually GOOD for trump, these repubs would be screaming it from the rooftops. But there isn't. All they can do is whine that hearings are behind closed doors in the basement so they MUST be corrupt and unfair!

#81 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-23 05:38 PM | Reply

It is too bad the Sergeant at Arms was not there for the uprising or he could have built some street cred with his mace.

#82 | Posted by grumpy_too at 2019-10-23 07:03 PM | Reply

"Look, I understand the opposition to Goat. I ALSO understand that he brings a lot to this site in many positive ways." - #31 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-10-23 01:15 AM

A good friend from the right side of the aisle told me that, while on permanent suspension, goat emailed him to say he was glad to be rid of the Drudge, that his permanent suspension was a good thing for him.

Our host's reversal of that suspension was not a general amnesty, as witnessed by the fact that others on permanent suspension haven't had their posting privileges restored.

It is unlikely our host simply picked a name out of a hat and miraculously chose goat to restore his posting priviledges. As such, one can easily deduce that all the while claiming his permanent suspension was a good thing, he was begging our host for a return.

So, while it is easy to understand goat deluding himself, I cannot for the life of me understand someone else buying into that same lie.

See also: La Fontaine's Le Renard et les Raisins ("Better, I think, than an embittered whine.").

#83 | Posted by Hans at 2019-10-24 06:47 PM | Reply

#83 | POSTED BY HANS

Quick answer: I had zero involvement in the reinstatement.

I was certainly happy about it, and quite honestly, surprised.

Like you, he's a friend.

#84 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-10-24 09:05 PM | Reply

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