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Wednesday, October 23, 2019

President Donald Trump's latest defense against the impeachment inquiry is that while congressionally approved military aid may have been withheld to pressure Ukrainian leaders to investigate Joe Biden and his son, withholding that money was not wrong, because Ukraine didn't know it was happening. However, not only is that defense thin, it also not supported by sworn testimony or recent reporting.

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Trump's new defense is basically that it is ok to shoot someone as long as they don't see you coming.

#1 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2019-10-23 03:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Ukraine officials didn't appear to understand why the aid was being held up

Even this dubious line of reasoning is directly contradicted by Bill Taylor's opening statement.

#2 | Posted by JOE at 2019-10-23 03:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#1

That's Trump's mindset about everything; ask the students of Trump U that didn't see his con coming, or the women he grabbed, or the brown kids in cages, or the tenants of his family slums.

Or just about anyone who ever did bidness with him.

#3 | Posted by Corky at 2019-10-23 03:23 PM | Reply


But... but... but... if there is no there there ... why are the Republicans going to such lengths to disrupt the acquisition of evidence?


#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-10-23 03:25 PM | Reply

... Now Trump is claiming that it's ok since Ukraine officials didn't appear to understand why the aid was being held up. ...

Ukrainian leader felt Trump pressure before taking office
www.apnews.com

...More than two months before the phone call that launched the impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump, Ukraine's newly elected leader was already worried about pressure from the U.S. president to investigate his Democratic rival Joe Biden.

Volodymyr Zelenskiy gathered a small group of advisers on May 7 in Kyiv for a meeting that was supposed to be about his nation's energy needs. Instead, the group spent most of the three-hour discussion talking about how to navigate the insistence from Trump and his personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, for a probe and how to avoid becoming entangled in the American elections, according to three people familiar with the details of the meeting.

They spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because of the diplomatic sensitivity of the issue, which has roiled U.S.-Ukrainian relations.

The meeting came before Zelenskiy was inaugurated but about two weeks after Trump called to offer his congratulations on the night of the Ukrainian leader's April 21 election.

The full details of what the two leaders discussed in that Easter Sunday phone call have never been publicly disclosed, and it is not clear whether Trump explicitly asked for an investigation of the Bidens.

The three people's recollections differ on whether Zelenskiy specifically cited that first call with Trump as the source of his unease. But their accounts all show the Ukrainian president-elect was wary of Trump's push for an investigation into the former vice president and his son Hunter's business dealings.

Either way, the newly elected leader of a country wedged between Russia and the U.S.-aligned NATO democracies knew early on that vital military support might depend on whether he was willing to choose a side in an American political tussle. A former comedian who won office on promises to clean up corruption, Zelenskiy's first major foreign policy test came not from his enemy Russia, but rather from the country's most important ally, the United States....



#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-10-23 03:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

No doubt his parrots will repeat this garbage anyways.

Because they're sycophantic, drooling brain dead idiots.

Seriously, there is ZERO rationale for supporting that schitheap beyond partisan hackery, stupidity or greed.

#6 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-23 04:35 PM | Reply

The Ukrainians were told right away. His defense is a lie.

#7 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-10-23 08:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

So embezzlement isnt a crime if no one knows about it?

#8 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-10-23 10:35 PM | Reply

So, remember when Barr went to see Murdock a few weeks ago? Turns out it may have been related to the fact that Rudy's two friends who got arrested "were headed to Vienna to help with a planned interview the next day: Shokin, they said, was scheduled to do an interview from the Austrian capital with Sean Hannity. "

www.cnn.com

Things that make you say, Hmmmmm:

emptywheel @emptywheel

To clarify, the timeline from 10/9 looks something like this:

Lunch: Rudy and Ukrainian grifters lunch across from DOJ

6:22: Grifters arrested as they prepare to flee to Vienna

That evening: Bill Barr meets with SDNY

Later that evening: Barr meets with Murdoch

twitter.com

#9 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10-24 12:58 AM | Reply

One thing Wheeler gets wrong is that she seems to think Hannity was in Vienna or on his way there, but the interview was to be conducted by satellite:

Vicky Ward @VickyPJWard

And as for that Vienna trip"According to sources, Parnas and Fruman claimed they were headed there to help with a planned interview the next day: Ukraine's former prosecutor general Viktor Shokin, they said, was scheduled to do a satellite interview with Sean Hannity.
twitter.com

One thing I think Wheeler gets right though is the possibility that "maybe Billy Barr was warning Murdoch that SDNY had TWELVE phones under some kind of surveillance, and Hannity probably got picked up on some of them?"

#10 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10-24 01:07 AM | Reply

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Oh, and those 12 phones that were under surveillance and the 50 bank accounts that have been subpoenaed could be why Rudy is now looking for a defense attorney.

#11 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-10-24 01:13 AM | Reply

Fat Nixon is just flinging schitt at the wall to see what will stick.

He's got Gaetz breaking House rules and laws in a desperate attempt to save himself.

I had to laugh that America's dumbest congresscritter - Louie Gohmert - was not leading the charge, but there he was right in the middle of the brain trust.

#12 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-10-24 07:00 AM | Reply

It has been documented that Ukraine did know the aid was being held up by Trump and why he was doing it. His defense is just a pile of crap as usual.

#13 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-24 07:03 AM | Reply

"I had to laugh that America's dumbest congresscritter - Louie Gohmert - was not leading the charge, but there he was right in the middle of the brain trust."

Those Congressmen should face criminal charges. If they don't then all the rules of Congress are just suggestions and even national security could be compromised as it was when they did their stunt.

#14 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-24 08:12 AM | Reply

Because they're sycophantic, drooling brain dead idiots.
#6 | Posted by jpw

No, it's mostly because they're very smart paid trolls. There's a big difference.

#15 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2019-10-24 09:43 AM | Reply

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