Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Friday, October 25, 2019

For more than two years, President Trump has repeatedly attacked the Russia investigation, portraying it as a hoax and illegal even months after the special counsel closed it. Now, Mr. Trump's own Justice Department has opened a criminal investigation into how it all began.

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I'm going into this one skeptically.

Given AG Barr's past actions and performance, he has all but lost my confidence that he is able to act as the lawyer of the American people. He is what Pres Trump said he wanted, another personal lawyer for citizen Donald Trump.

I really do not want to have to arrive at such a conclusion for the Attorney General of the United States, so I am nw hoping against hope that I am wrong.

#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-10-24 09:18 PM | Reply

#1

You're wrong. Barr has been promised a duchy or something.

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-24 09:51 PM | Reply

@#2 ... You're wrong. ...

It won't be the first time, and I know it won't be the last time.

#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-10-24 09:54 PM | Reply

Who is Donald Trump trying to arrest? Not too early to ask that.

#4 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-24 10:02 PM | Reply

Finally .....

#5 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-10-24 10:02 PM | Reply

Finally .....

#5 | Posted by AndreaMackris

Of course you'd support weaponizing DoJ.

That's why you accused the Dems of doing it, so it would justify you're support to have it actually done.

#6 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-24 10:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#5

Donald Trump is trying to disprove that his friend Putin attacked the United States.

It's reasonable to assume Trump got his orders from Putin himself.

#7 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-24 10:08 PM | Reply

@#5 ... Finally ..... ...

I dunno.

A similar stunt was attempted on fmr FBI Deputy Dir McCabe and it failed.

On the Mystery of the McCabe Grand Jury
www.lawfareblog.com

...Did a federal grand jury refuse to hand up an indictment of former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe?

No media organization has reported that this is what happened Thursday, but something clearly happened when the grand jury met"and that something wasn't the McCabe indictment that everyone was expecting....

Normally, when the Justice Department informs a criminal target that it is moving ahead with charges, particularly when the target is a high-profile one, the indictment follows immediately. Yet in this case, no indictment materialized. And that wasn't because the grand jury didn't meet.

According to the Post, rather, the grand jury was reconvened on Thursday"but no public charges against McCabe were filed. Now, McCabe's lawyer, Michael Bromwich, has written to U.S. Attorney Jessie Liu, whose office is handling McCabe's case, stating that the defense team has heard "rumors from reporters ... that the grand jury considering charges against Mr. McCabe had declined to vote an indictment""though the defense has "no independent knowledge of whether the reporting is accurate." Bromwich added that "based on our discussion with" government lawyers, "it is clear that no indictment has been returned."...


I remain to be convinced that the current political investigation, of which you speak "Finally," will yield a more honest outcome.

#8 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-10-24 10:20 PM | Reply

Barr's been jet setting to Italy twice and Australia once to find proof of Trump's (and the right-wing loons) conspiracy theory. He's using the resources of the DOJ to go after our own intelligence services. Trump's (FTA) fantasy is that the FBI is involved, and his word: "We can never allow these treasonous acts to happen to another president..." And the CIA? If you ask the right-wing looney-tunes or the fruitcake sitting in the WH, or Barr, they tricked the evil FBI into thinking it was Russia that meddled.

And now Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte, Italy, had to go before his parliament and explain that no, Italy had nothing to do with Trump's fever dream fantasy. I'm sure the USA is looking fabulous to them. Yay. Trump, Barr, and Hannity are destroying America from the inside out.

There's so much to this story, and nothing in the right-wing conspiracy world makes a lick of sense.

The CIA tricked the FBI into releasing emails from the DNC and Clinton, though a concerted effort with Ukraine to make Russia look bad and, though damaging Clinton's campaign, it was supposed to backfire and hurt Trump, so she'd win.

The stupid burns.

#9 | Posted by YAV at 2019-10-24 10:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I really do not want to have to arrive at such a conclusion for the Attorney General of the United States, so I am nw hoping against hope that I am wrong."

Oh please. Grow up.

#10 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-24 10:35 PM | Reply

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@#9 ... Barr's been jet setting to Italy twice and Australia once to find proof of Trump's (and the right-wing loons) conspiracy theory. He's using the resources of the DOJ to go after our own intelligence services. ...

Stated differently, he is using US taxpayer money to go jet-setting around the world to create evidence for Pres Trump political gain.

Is that a correct summary of what is occurring? If not, why not?

#11 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-10-24 10:42 PM | Reply

That is a correct summary, LampLighter.

I hate even typing that.
I can't stand what's happened to the United States.
What it's become under Trump.

#12 | Posted by YAV at 2019-10-24 10:45 PM | Reply

@#10 ... Oh please. Grow up. ...

I have grown up. You'll have to take my word on that. But let me say, I remember listening to the radio and hearing Chubby Checker's song, "Let's Twist Again" when it first appeared on the radio. btw, did you know that Chubby Checker used powder on his face so he would no appear to be as dark-skinned as he actually was?

But more to the point I think you're raising... I try to keep an open mind as long as possible before i decide upon an opinion on a topic.

In this case, while I am leaning towards an AG Barr that is really Pres Trump's personal lawyer, I have not concluded that yet.

Yeah, I'm weird like that. My friends tell me I facilitate too much. tell them that I prefer to make an informed decision...

:)

#13 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-10-24 10:50 PM | Reply

tell them that I prefer

should be

I tell them that I prefer

#14 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-10-24 10:52 PM | Reply

@#12 ... hat is a correct summary, ...

If that is the case...

Then Pres Trump using taxpayer money for his own political gain....

(currently watching some old Soupy Sales shows that I used to rush home from school to watch :) )

#15 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-10-24 10:57 PM | Reply

"You'll have to take my word on that. But let me say, I remember listening to the radio and hearing Chubby Checker's song, "Let's Twist Again" when it first appeared on the radio."

I remember it too. Had older cousins who came to visit when we lived up in Melbourne and they drove their Thunderbird convertible up to Cocoa Beach to see him perform.

#16 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-25 10:12 AM | Reply

The one gaping hole in ANY theory that the entire hacking/email issue was designed to assist Hillary Clinton is that Hillary Clinton never used the issue to attack Trump, but Trump used the issue to bludgeon Hillary Clinton!

If Obama/CIA/FBI had wanted to undermine Trump why weren't the revelations implicating Trump into a conspiracy actually publicized prior to the election? It's ludicrous to believe that all the effort to create a false narrative was only to go after Trump once he was elected, it simply makes no sense.

It's a shame that such illogic is still believed by those breathlessly waiting for some confirmation that what happened in 2016 was a plot against Trump when we have both Mueller and the Senate Intel Committee report indisputedly proving that Russia was behind the attacks and that Trump benefited from them.

#17 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-10-25 10:29 AM | Reply

There's so much to this story, and nothing in the right-wing conspiracy world makes a lick of sense.
The CIA tricked the FBI into releasing emails from the DNC and Clinton, though a concerted effort with Ukraine to make Russia look bad and, though damaging Clinton's campaign, it was supposed to backfire and hurt Trump, so she'd win.
The stupid burns.

#9 | POSTED BY YAV AT 2019-10-24 10:33 PM | REPLY

So as you told us for the two years of the Mueller investigation, if people like Brennon, Clapper, Comey, McCabe and ultimately Obama have done nothing wrong than let the investigation run it's course. What are you afraid of?

#18 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-10-25 10:39 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

That is a correct summary, LampLighter.
I hate even typing that.
I can't stand what's happened to the United States.
What it's become under Trump.
#12 | POSTED BY YAV AT 2019-10-24 10:45 PM | FLAG:

Oh sure, you think this will tear Amarica apart but a two year investigation meant to overturn an election that proved no collusion was ok with you.

#19 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-10-25 10:43 AM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 3

I trust AG Barr. JK, I'm not a Trump cultist.

#20 | Posted by hamburglar at 2019-10-25 10:44 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If Obama/CIA/FBI had wanted to undermine Trump why weren't the revelations implicating Trump into a conspiracy actually publicized prior to the election? It's ludicrous to believe that all the effort to create a false narrative was only to go after Trump once he was elected, it simply makes no sense.#17 | POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2019-10-25 10:29 AM | FLAG:

Simple, they had zero idea that Trump would win like the rest on the left. Look at the Strzok, Page texts, They were so upset that Trump won and then Strzok said there was an insurance policy (to get Trump out). Explain that one.

#21 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-10-25 10:51 AM | Reply

Oh sure, you think this will tear Amarica apart but a two year investigation meant to overturn an election that proved no collusion was ok with you.

#19 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

Really... you want to go with that one? Trump tried to collude with Ukraine to influence the NEXT election. You REALLY still think he didn't collude with Russia to influence the last one? It is what is called a "pattern of behavior". And after Republicans let him get away with it last time, he decided he might as well do it again.

Mueller SPECIFICALLY said that he didn't prove "no collusion". He just wasn't able to find enough evidence to prove it did occur (beyond a reasonable doubt). And the reason why they didn't find any evidence is that Putin was running it, and he knows how to not get caught. Because, regardless of his morals and other failings, he is actually pretty smart.

But now, you have those "stable genius" conservatives trying to run the collusion. Big surprise that they are getting caught red-handed.

Conservatives have stopped trying to say that Trump did nothing wrong. They are sticking with "but the process!" because they know that Trump's actions are indefensible except among the most grovelling of his sycophants.

#22 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-10-25 10:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Mueller SPECIFICALLY said that he didn't prove "no collusion". He just wasn't able to find enough evidence to prove it did occur (beyond a reasonable doubt). And the reason why they didn't find any evidence is that Putin was running it, and he knows how to not get caught. Because, regardless of his morals and other failings, he is actually pretty smart.#22 | POSTED BY GTBRITISHSKULL AT 2019-10-25 10:51 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

Let me guess, Mueller didn't have the time or resources to find the evidence? And now you are saying that Putin not Mueller was running the investigation? Wow, thats even totally out of outerspace for you!

#23 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-10-25 10:57 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Oh sure, you think this will tear Amarica apart but a two year investigation meant to overturn an election that proved no collusion was ok with you.

#19 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-10-2

Trump brought Mueller on himself. Just like he's brought impeachment on himself. Trumpites like to brag about what a bastard Trump is until he's brought to account. Then Donald is miraculously pure as the driven snow.

It's proven the Russians attacked us in 2020. Donald Trump is trying to do another big favor for his friend Vlad by continuing to assert otherwise with "investigations" like this one. It may well be that Donald had no choice, because it may also well be that his handler Vlad instructed him specifically to do so.

#24 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-25 10:58 AM | Reply

Whether this investigation is going anywhere or was merely launched to placate Trump and give him headlines to manipulate to his political advantage, the following remains true:

Trump was and is a national security threat to the United States. This investigation, real or not, will deter career natsec officials and fbi agents from doing their job in future situations for fear of being targeted by a megalomaniacal president. That's a bad thing.

#25 | Posted by JOE at 2019-10-25 10:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Let me guess, Mueller didn't have the time or resources to find the evidence?

#23 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-10-25 10:57 AM |

Trump stonewalled Mueller, and didn't cooperate with him.

That's in the Report.

#26 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-25 10:59 AM | Reply

Simple, they had zero idea that Trump would win like the rest on the left. Look at the Strzok, Page texts, They were so upset that Trump won and then Strzok said there was an insurance policy (to get Trump out). Explain that one.

#21 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

Then why were they investigating "to undermine Trump" when they thought he had no chance of winning?

And the "insurance policy" was the investigation and facts. Strzok was concerned by all the evidence that Trump was compromised. And, like any good American, was disturbed by the idea of a compromised person potentially being elected as President of the United States. So, their "insurance policy" was to collect facts that could be used in the CONSTITUTIONAL PROCESS to provide checks on the presidency if it turned out that he was actually compromised.

You see it as a big deep state conspiracy because that is what you want to see. And, as a conservative, you cannot imagine someone actually caring about this country and doing their job to protect it instead of shifting it one way or the other for political gain. But there is no EVIDENCE that they did anything wrong when it came to the investigation. Not that evidence (or lack thereof) has ever changed a conservative's mind.

#27 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-10-25 10:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump was and is a national security threat to the United States.

#25 | Posted by JOE at

I'd argue FISHFPAW doesn't care. Trump is a threat to a United States he has ceased to believe in. You want an explanation for Trumpism, that's a good one.

#28 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-25 11:01 AM | Reply

I could smell fear immediately after logging onto this thread.

#29 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-10-25 11:02 AM | Reply | Funny: 3 | Newsworthy 1

Trump tried to collude with Ukraine to influence the NEXT election. You REALLY still think he didn't collude with Russia to influence the last one?

Think about how Trump did Ukraine with an army of White House lawyers overseeing and advising on his behavior, and then imagine what he was willing to do when all he had was Michael Cohen.

#30 | Posted by JOE at 2019-10-25 11:03 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And now you are saying that Putin not Mueller was running the investigation? Wow, thats even totally out of outerspace for you!

#23 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

That is a stupid thing to say, even for a conservative.

Putin (or the Kremlin) was running the COLLUSION, not the investigation. THAT is why he didn't leave evidence behind. Because it was someone who was actually intelligent running the collusion, instead of idiotic Republicans who release a TRANSCRIPT of their attempts to collude with a foreign power.

And, you can't collect evidence that is not there. Putin knows his craft, and he knows how to not get him or his agents caught.

#31 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-10-25 11:03 AM | Reply

Then why were they investigating "to undermine Trump" when they thought he had no chance of winning?

#27 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-10-25 10:59

You asked a Why question. Trumpites don't like Why questions. Conspiracies work ever so much better when people don't ask Why, and when they have to make sense.

#32 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-25 11:03 AM | Reply

I could smell fear immediately after logging onto this thread.

That's your diaper. Press the red button on your tv remote and your nurse will stop in to change it.

#33 | Posted by JOE at 2019-10-25 11:03 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

I could smell fear immediately after logging onto this thread.

#29 | Posted by wisgod at 2019

Then why were they investigating "to undermine Trump" when they thought he had no chance of winning?

If you interesting people can't get to first base with this then I'm not sure why you think anyone should be afraid.

#34 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-25 11:05 AM | Reply

Trump stonewalled Mueller, and didn't cooperate with him.

This is lie.

Trump cooperated with most every request of the Mueller investigation, can you name one which he didn't "cooperate" in which there was a formal Mueller request?

I'd argue FISHFPAW doesn't care. Trump is a threat to a United States he has ceased to believe in.

You and your patrons are the threat to the country.

#35 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-10-25 11:10 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#34 | POSTED BY ZED

"Motive" is a foreign concept to conservatives. I never did get an explanation for what their fantasized motive was for the whole Benghazi thing. What did they accuse her of... lying about it being due to a video, called off the rescue, and/or refused security aid to the embassy.

How would doing ANY of those things actually HELP Hillary? How did it profit her either personally or politically? All you get is silence.

I have gotten silence on this as well, and expect it to continue.

#36 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-10-25 11:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You and your patrons are the threat to the country.

#35 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-10-25 11:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

Did Russia attack the United States in 2020?

Put up or shut up.

#37 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-25 11:14 AM | Reply

You and your patrons are the threat to the country.

#35 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-10-25 11:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

Post a comment

Did the Russians attack the United States in 2016?

2016?

You remember 2016?

Did the Russians attack us?

If you say no you're a damned liar.

And if you say yes then explain why Trump continues to carry water for Vlad on this subject?

#38 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-25 11:16 AM | Reply

Trump cooperated with most every request of the Mueller investigation, can you name one which he didn't "cooperate" in which there was a formal Mueller request?

#35 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

An interview with the Mueller investigators.

www.cnn.com

If he agreed, it would have been disastrous for him because it is a crime to lie to the FBI. And we all know how good conservatives are at not telling lies.

#39 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-10-25 11:16 AM | Reply

#35 You're mentally ill. Read this, if you're capable.
www.justsecurity.org

#40 | Posted by JOE at 2019-10-25 11:16 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#35 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-10-25 11:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

So put up or shut up. If that's not too much trouble.

#41 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-25 11:17 AM | Reply

--Did Russia attack the United States in 2020?

That would be a pretty good trick considering it's 2019.

#42 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-10-25 11:18 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

Oh sure, you think this will tear Amarica apart but a two year investigation meant to overturn an election that proved no collusion was ok with you.

#19 | Posted by fishpaw

Conspiracy theory nonsense.

There was valid reason to investigate the extensive Russian contacts throughout the Trump campaign within the context of Russian election meddling.

#43 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-25 11:19 AM | Reply

You and your patrons are the threat to the country.

#35 | Posted by AndreaMackris

Says the guy who sees and hears so therefore will speak no evil of Trump.

Blow it out your ass, toolbag.

#44 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-25 11:19 AM | Reply

Stated differently, he is using US taxpayer money to go jet-setting around the world to create evidence for Pres Trump political gain.
Is that a correct summary of what is occurring? If not, why not?
#11 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-10-24 10:42 PM |

It is not correct because there is no evidence that Barr sought to create evidence, but rather bring evidence of wrongdoing to light.
However, I do enjoy the part where you admit that bringing evidence of wrongdoing to light, so that justice is server, would be a political gain for Trump.

#45 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-10-25 11:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

That would be a pretty good trick considering it's 2019.

#42 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-10-25

A good trick would be ANDREA responding to the question asked.

But if he wants to hidebehind your skirts because you noted a typo, it's nothing more than I already know about him.

#46 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-25 11:20 AM | Reply

Go back to bed, Zed. You obviously need more sleep.

#47 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-10-25 11:22 AM | Reply

served

#48 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-10-25 11:23 AM | Reply

They were so upset that Trump won and then Strzok said there was an insurance policy (to get Trump out). Explain that one.

#21 | Posted by fishpaw

LOL still holding on to that Hannity dud?

#49 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-25 11:23 AM | Reply

It is not correct because there is no evidence that Barr sought to create evidence, but rather bring evidence of wrongdoing to light.

I've got some great water front property in Arizona for sale, avidgore. You should email me and I'll send you the details.

#50 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-25 11:24 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

This investigation, real or not, will deter career natsec officials and fbi agents from doing their job in future situations for fear of being targeted by a megalomaniacal president. That's a bad thing.

#25 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2019-10-25 10:58 AM | FLAG:

No, it will hopefully deter future overreach and from Presidents in the future from using the FBI and CIA for political gain which is what happened. Comey, Brennon, Clapper and McCabe broke the law and they thought they were above it. That is a major problem that needs to be fixed.

#51 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-10-25 11:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

But there is no EVIDENCE that they did anything wrong when it came to the investigation. Not that evidence (or lack thereof) has ever changed a conservative's mind.

#27 | POSTED BY GTBRITISHSKULL AT 2019-10-25 10:59 AM | FLAG:

So if there is no evidence why are you freaking out about this. You should be saying what you said during the 2 year Mueller investigation, "if there was no wrongdoing let the investigation go on." What are you scared of?

#52 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-10-25 11:34 AM | Reply

#51 | Posted by fishpaw at

I have to admire your fanaticism.

Will you support Donald after he locks himself in the Oval Office and refuses to leave either after Impeachment or the 2020 Election? Do you think he'll blockade the door with the Resolute Desk and arm Kellyanne with a .38 ?

Stuff of legends, stuff of legends.

#53 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-25 11:34 AM | Reply

So if there is no evidence why are you freaking out about this.

#52 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-10-25 11:34 AM | R

1) It's an effort by Donald to defend Russia and Vlad. Stated several times; perhaps you'll comment on it now.

2) Barr is as corrupt as Trump is. He and they not above manufacturing evidence.

#54 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-25 11:36 AM | Reply

That is a major problem that needs to be fixed.

#51 | Posted by fishpaw

Sure. Right after we schitcan this lawless POTUS.

#55 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-25 11:39 AM | Reply

"Motive" is a foreign concept to conservatives. I never did get an explanation for what their fantasized motive was for the whole Benghazi thing. What did they accuse her of... lying about it being due to a video, called off the rescue, and/or refused security aid to the embassy.
How would doing ANY of those things actually HELP Hillary? How did it profit her either personally or politically? All you get is silence.
I have gotten silence on this as well, and expect it to continue.

#36 | POSTED BY GTBRITISHSKULL AT 2019-10-25 11:12 AM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 1

Obama was up for re-election, he was running on that he ended Al Qaeda and that terrorist attacts on Americans were a thing of the past. Saying this was because of a video was saying it wasn't a terrorist attack helping Obama get re-elected, which kept Hillary in offce and would help her chances of being the next POTUS.

#56 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-10-25 11:44 AM | Reply

Comey, Brennon, Clapper and McCabe broke the law

What law, specifically?

#57 | Posted by JOE at 2019-10-25 11:55 AM | Reply

#56

Nothing stupid about that story.

#58 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-25 11:55 AM | Reply

"(Obama) was running on that he ended Al Qaeda and that terrorist attacts on Americans were a thing of the past."

What a bald-faced lie. What moronic outlet told you that?

#59 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-10-25 12:00 PM | Reply

1) It's an effort by Donald to defend Russia and Vlad. Stated several times; perhaps you'll comment on it now.#54 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2019-10-25 11:36 AM | FLAG:

I'll comment, How is he defending Russia? Barr is looking into the origins of the invesigation, the dossier, etc. The Mueller investigation was to prove there was collusion, it did not find there was collusion. You say that Trump is guilty because Mueller couldn't prove he didn't collude. Well Hillary needs to prove she didn't collude to have the dossier produced that started the investigation.

#60 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-10-25 12:01 PM | Reply

"(Obama) was running on that he ended Al Qaeda and that terrorist attacts on Americans were a thing of the past."
What a bald-faced lie. What moronic outlet told you that?

#59 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2019-10-25 12:00 PM | FLAG:

His campaign stump dummy

#61 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-10-25 12:03 PM | Reply

FISHPAW. Before I go on with this did Russia attack the USA in 2016?

#62 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-25 12:05 PM | Reply

Yes? No?

#63 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-25 12:07 PM | Reply

You don't know?

#64 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-25 12:09 PM | Reply

Don't wish to commit yourself?

#65 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-25 12:10 PM | Reply

It really is crazy to debate with people such as yourself who obviously seek to define reality only in a way pleasing to Donald Trump.

#66 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-25 12:12 PM | Reply

FISHPAW. Before I go on with this did Russia attack the USA in 2016?

#62 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2019-10-25 12:05 PM | FLAG:

They meddled in the election to disrupt democracy. The Mueller report did not find that Trump colluded with them. There is also no hard evidence that Russia hacked the DNC either if that's where you are going. The DNC would not turn over servers to the CIA to be investigated, they used their own investigators to come to the conclusion that Russia hacked them.

#67 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-10-25 12:14 PM | Reply

Progress.

Why doesn't Trump share your opinion about the Russian attack?

#68 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-25 12:16 PM | Reply

2) Barr is as corrupt as Trump is. He and they not above manufacturing evidence.

#54 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2019-10-25 11:36 AM | FLAG:

And this is the bottem line why crazy Zed thinks this shouldn't be investigated.

#69 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-10-25 12:18 PM | Reply

Are you looking your answers up?

#70 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-25 12:18 PM | Reply

That Trump is corrupt is the root of my antipathy towards him.

#71 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-25 12:21 PM | Reply

Why does Trump defend the Russians in regards to 2016?

#72 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-25 12:21 PM | Reply

The Mueller investigation was to prove there was collusion, it did not find there was collusion.

You're either brainwashed beyond repair or are viciously dishonest.

Then again, there's always the option that your gears just aren't turning as much as a normal person's do.

#73 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-25 12:25 PM | Reply

What are you scared of?

#52 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

Yeah... don't know what there WOULD BE to be scared of from the emotional mob party of "Lock Her Up". /sarcasm

I am not scared. I just think it is sad. And it is more of conservatives wasting our time and slandering people to deflect from the crimes of their President.

What do you think the over/under is on how many people will be indicted/get jail time from this. Because I am putting it at a very hard ZERO.

It is pretty clear. Trump has a bad day/week/month due to it being shown that he engaged in a quid pro quo to get a foreign government to target Trump's political opponent, so his lackey Barr and the minions in the DoJ have to release some sort of news to try to cosset his gullible base and distract from the fact that Trump is about to be impeached.

#74 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-10-25 12:26 PM | Reply

The New York Bar has told Barr to recuse himself from the Ukraine investigation or face discipline/disbarment.

#75 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-10-25 12:28 PM | Reply

FISHPAW. That the simple question I ask is kryptonite to you and ANDREA should suggest something to you.

#76 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-25 12:28 PM | Reply

I've got some great water front property in Arizona for sale, avidgore. You should email me and I'll send you the details. - #50 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-25 11:24 AM
Lake Havasu is nice during parts of the year, and completely inappropriate during other parts. Pass.
www.zillow.com

*It's fun watching you foolishly blow the *oceanfront property* joke*

#77 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-10-25 12:30 PM | Reply

The Mueller investigation was to prove there was collusion, it did not find there was collusion. You say that Trump is guilty because Mueller couldn't prove he didn't collude. Well Hillary needs to prove she didn't collude to have the dossier produced that started the investigation.

#60 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

The Mueller investigation was there to investigate links between the Trump campaign and Russia. And to see whether any laws had been broken through those links. Since "collusion" is not a crime, proving collusion was in NO WAY in Mueller's mandate. Though, investigating illegal coordination or donation was.

And I never claimed that Trump is guilty because he couldn't prove he didn't (nice strawman). Trump CLEARLY colluded with Russia. He asked them on national television to find her emails for him. Then, six hours later, Russia tried to hack Hillary's server. BTW... that IS mentioned in the Mueller report. But, that does not rise to the level of "illegal" so it is up to the voters (or Congress in the case of an impeachment) to judge whether there will be any consequences.

Which Trump seems to be very worried about, since he tried to collude with ANOTHER foreign power to target one of his political opponents and influence the NEXT election.

And he then, again, tried to collude with China on national television to influence our election after that.

#78 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-10-25 12:40 PM | Reply

Now THIS, is a REAL witch-hunt, and hoax.

Barr needs to live out the rest of his days in federal prison.

Trump-Barr/Prison 2020

#79 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-10-25 12:45 PM | Reply

Looks like the inept vulgarian's tiny hands are grasping at straws. Trump sure is petty when he gets stressed.

#80 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-10-25 12:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

*It's fun watching you foolishly blow the *oceanfront property* joke*

#77 | Posted by Avigdore

As fun as watching you take the time to dig for a body of water in AZ just to be a hyperliteralist and try to justify being stupidly condescending while ignoring the obvious rhetorical nature of my post to point out what a dumb rube you are?

#81 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-25 12:51 PM | Reply

*It's fun watching you foolishly blow the *oceanfront property* joke*

#77 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

Yeah... next you know he will be talking about building a border wall in Colorado. How stupid would THAT be?

#82 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-10-25 12:59 PM | Reply

Using the DOJ as a campaign ad is misappropriation of tax payer funded government.

#83 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-10-25 01:14 PM | Reply

Lots of Gorilla Panic both on this thread and in DC: This is a natural step for any DOJ investigation and is initially recommended by the investigator in charge to the Department, not the other way around as many MSM articles are seeming to suggest. In this case, US Attorney Durham has found enough wrongdoing to formally request the ability to issue criminal subpoenas, which has to be approved by his superiors, in this case probably Deputy USA Jeffery Rosen (unless AG Barr insists on personal approval).

It's funny how the Left looooved Durham when he was investigating CIA torture but now that he is looking into senior Obama Administration officials, now so much.

#84 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-10-25 01:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You and your patrons are the threat to the country.

#35 | Posted by AndreaMackris

We are not getting Impeached.

Trumpy is getting impeached. Ha ha!!

I do hope you and your cohorts in crime enjoy your leader's (and I use that term lightly) impeachment. We have put a lot of effort into this gift for you. I know it is what you and Humpy have always wanted and dreamed for in life. And you have worked so hard for it!

It's really just too bad you couldn't have impeached that black guy. You just couldn't ruin his legacy the way though wanted. Oh well, no Waterloo for you!!

#85 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-10-25 01:30 PM | Reply

The Mueller investigation only looked to the links between Trump and Russia and everything that the Special Prosecutor found directly in pursuit of that fact finding. It did not extend to indirect matters such as the origins of the investigation by US intelligence services (not part of the Trump campaign efforts) or wrongdoing by any other campaign (e.g. Jill Stein who we now know was a Russian asset). So, Durham has different angles he can look at. I want to see all the truths.

The original Rosenstein referral: www.justice.gov

#86 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2019-10-25 01:32 PM | Reply

Looks like JoePW has been adopted. I see you've got his debate skills, loser.

#87 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-10-25 01:36 PM | Reply

"This is a natural step for any DOJ investigation and is initially recommended by the investigator in charge to the Department,"

I istened to a former DOJ investigator this morning saying the exact opposite of what you said and that investigations like this are actually veiled threats against the investigators; if they investigate anything done by the administration or the campaign they are being let know that they, will in turn, be subject their lives being turned inside out by people in the DOJ loyal to Barr before the country. This is exactly he type of thing done in authoritarian countries, they are training our investigators to look the other way when it involves anything to do with the administration.

#88 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-25 01:55 PM | Reply

FISHPAW. That the simple question I ask is kryptonite to you and ANDREA should suggest something to you.

#76 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2019-10-25 12:28 PM | FLAG:

I answered your question, what do you want now? Go away you little uninformed pissant.

#89 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-10-25 01:58 PM | Reply

I answered your question

#89 | Posted by fishpaw a

No, you didn't.

Why does Trump defend the Russians, FISHPAW?

#90 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-25 02:03 PM | Reply

In fact, FISHPAW, why does Donald Trump seem to be on the side of the Russians?

#91 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-25 02:04 PM | Reply

Why is Trump so intent on letting the Russians off the hook for 2016, FISHPAW?

#92 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-25 02:06 PM | Reply

Why let him off the hook after he has caused 10,000 Ukrainians to be killed in the last 5 years.

#93 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-25 02:08 PM | Reply

Trump CLEARLY colluded with Russia. He asked them on national television to find her emails for him. Then, six hours later, Russia tried to hack Hillary's server. BTW... that IS mentioned in the Mueller report. But, that does not rise to the level of "illegal" so it is up to the voters (or Congress in the case of an impeachment) to judge whether there will be any consequences.
#78 | POSTED BY GTBRITISHSKULL AT 2019-10-25 12:40 PM | FLAG:

Here is where the dummies really stand out and show how desperate they are when they say "Trump asked Russia on public Television to find Hillary's emails." And then you say after he said that "Russia tried to hack her server." Wait, you have been saying all along that they indeed did hack it. Go away, you have been schooled for the last two years and this investigation is going to show you got schooled on this big time.

#94 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-10-25 02:08 PM | Reply

Of course you'd support weaponizing DoJ....

#6 | POSTED BY JPW

It's interesting that you've predetermined that is what is going on here.

Durham is a serious dude. Based on his history he doesn't care who he takes down. He follows wherever the evidence leads him and lets the chips fall where they may.

#95 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-10-25 02:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I do like how the NYT editorializes in their supposed news reporting of this that it's likely to be viewed as political revenge.

You can always count on the Times to carry water for the Democratic Party.

#96 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-10-25 02:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Why let him off the hook after he has caused 10,000 Ukrainians to be killed in the last 5 years.

#93 | POSTED BY DANNI

That's quite a feat given he's only been president for less than 3 years.

#97 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-10-25 02:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

It's interesting that you've predetermined that is what is going on here.

#95 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-1

If the Mob weren't involved here maybe we wouldn't.

#98 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-25 02:13 PM | Reply

Go away, you have been schooled for the last two years and this investigation is going to show you got schooled on this big time.

#94 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-10-25 02:08 PM | Reply | Fla

Weird.

#99 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-25 02:15 PM | Reply

Why does Trump defend the Russians, FISHPAW?

#90 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2019-10-25 02:03 PM | FLAG:

You mean like forcing more sanctions on them than Obama? Or promoting oil drilling and fracking so the price of oil drops which kills Russia's economy? What should he have done, whispered in Putin's ear like Obama and said "cut it out."? Oh wait, the Russian interference happened under Obama, WTF? Maybe you should be bitching at him!

#100 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-10-25 02:17 PM | Reply

The DOJ is obviously run by a bunch of corrupt criminals.

Hell bent on preserving and protecting our constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic.

We can't be having that!!

Investigate the Investigators! Let see how deep the rabbit hole goes.

Investigate all you want. Destroy the DOJ from the inside. Tearing apart our democratic institutions seems to be a major part of Humpy's Big Plan.

But, it will not prevent Humpy from getting impeached.

That die is cast.

#101 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-10-25 02:18 PM | Reply

94 | Posted by fishpaw

I bet you will enjoy Humpy's impeachment most of all!!

#102 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-10-25 02:19 PM | Reply

You mean like

#100 | Posted by fishpaw

You know exactly what I mean.

Why does Trump take the side of Putin and Russia in regards to 2016, and in regards to so many other things?

#103 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-25 02:19 PM | Reply

If the Mob weren't involved here maybe we wouldn't.

#98 | Posted by Zed

It was Barzini all along!

#104 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-10-25 02:20 PM | Reply

Go away, you have been schooled for the last two years and this investigation is going to show you got schooled on this big time.
#94 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-10-25 02:08 PM | Reply | Fla
Weird.

#99 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2019-10-25 02:15 PM | FLAG:

Nothing weird about it, you have been wrong over and over and this investigation is going to hopefully make you crawl back in your hole but maybe you will learn something.

#105 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-10-25 02:21 PM | Reply

It was Barzini all along!

#104 | Posted by nullifidian at

Must have been. Trump? He's a pimp.

#106 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-25 02:21 PM | Reply

"That's quite a feat given he's only been president for less than 3 years."

But he has talked about eliminating sanctions on Russia since the campaign. Then he held up aid Ukraine desperately needed to buy weapons to defend themselves and asked for a "favor" before he released it. Then he tried to shift the blame for the Russians meddling in our elections to Ukraine. Then recently he pussed out troops out of Northern Syria, left our bases so fast that weapons, ammunition, etc. was left behind and then the Russians moved into our bases, the Kurds were running for their lives and he calls it a victory. So much winning!

#107 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-25 02:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#105 | Posted by fishpaw a

You're not as sure as you put on, are you?

#108 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-25 02:23 PM | Reply

I istened to a former DOJ investigator this morning saying the exact opposite of what you said

Sorry, that person was wrong.

#109 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-10-25 02:24 PM | Reply

Can FISHPAW see a reason Russia might have wanted to attack our 2016 elections? Trump says he can't.

#110 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-25 02:25 PM | Reply

You know exactly what I mean.
Why does Trump take the side of Putin and Russia in regards to 2016, and in regards to so many other things?

#103 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2019-10-25 02:19 PM | FLAG:

How does he take Putin and Russia's sides in regard to 2016? You nuts have been saying Trump had Putin get him elected and in return Trump would let Putin run this country and Putin would let Trump build a hotel in Moscow. So unless Trump agrees this is true he is taking the side of Putin. You have to be insane to believe this but the left keeps on keeping on.

#111 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-10-25 02:28 PM | Reply

"Trump asked Russia on public Television to find Hillary's emails." And then you say after he said that "Russia tried to hack her server." Wait, you have been saying all along that they indeed did hack it.

#94 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

You do not know what you are talking about. There is no evidence that ANYONE ever hacked Hillary's email server. The fact that you think that is the case shows that you are immersed in the faux news conservative propaganda echo chamber. Please show me where I EVER said that it was hacked.

Russia hacked the DNC server. (And I believe also John Podesta?)

Go away, you have been schooled for the last two years and this investigation is going to show you got schooled on this big time.

Lol. You are putting your ignorance on full display and then claiming that I am going to be "schooled". Bring it on. I eagerly await the day I actually hear something intelligent from you.

#112 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-10-25 02:28 PM | Reply

How does he take Putin and Russia's sides in regard to 2016?

#111 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-10-

Trump says that they didn't do it and has not stopped working to prove that.

#113 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-25 02:29 PM | Reply

How does he take Putin and Russia's sides in regard to 2016?
#111 | Posted by fishpaw

Trump said he believes putin who says he didn't meddle in the election instead of US intelligence who says he did.

The fact that you didn't know that only proves what a bubble of disinformation you live in.

#114 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-25 02:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Hey, this investigation was supposed to come exclusively from "sources close to _____" and the man of Steele. Now is not the time for transparency.

#115 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2019-10-25 02:31 PM | Reply

Can FISHPAW see a reason Russia might have wanted to attack our 2016 elections? Trump says he can't.

#110 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2019-10-25 02:25 PM | FLAG:

Here is a question Mr foreign policy, if Hillary was elected what would have been different in regards to our relations with Russia? And if you say she would be tougher on them be specific.

#116 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-10-25 02:31 PM | Reply

How does he take Putin and Russia's sides in regard to 2016?

#111 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

Russia hacked the DNC and meddled in the election. Our intelligence services agree that is what happened. Russia claims it did not. Trump says he "believes Putin" over the US intelligence services.

www.bbc.com

How could you not know this? Are you really that far into chugging the Republican koolaid that you don't have a grasp of the basic facts of what happened?

#117 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-10-25 02:32 PM | Reply

How does he take Putin and Russia's sides in regard to 2016?
#111 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-10-
Trump says that they didn't do it and has not stopped working to prove that.

#113 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2019-10-25 02:29 PM | FLAG:

Ding, ding, ding and we have a winner! That's why we have this investigation.

#118 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-10-25 02:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

be specific.

#116 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-10-25 02:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

After you.

Why does Donald Trump behave like such a Russian, FISHPAW?

#119 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-25 02:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Nothing weird about it, you have been wrong over and over and this investigation is going to hopefully make you crawl back in your hole but maybe you will learn something.

#105 | Posted by fishpaw

Tell me your theory on how rex tillerson ended up as secretary of state if it wasn't putin's choice.

Exxon had a $500 billion dollar deal with putin that got stalled because of the russian sanctions. Then trump gets elected and chooses the head of exxon to run our foreign policy. A guy trump had never met and had no proper experience. Then he and trump immediately begin trying to lift sanctions on russia and would have succeeded if congress hadn't passed the sanctions themselves with a veto proof majority.

So let's hear your theory of how trump picked rex for one of the most important jobs in the country.

#120 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-25 02:34 PM | Reply

"With you all paths lead to Putin"

Has been the truest thing yet said about Trump.

#121 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-25 02:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Here is a question Mr foreign policy, if Hillary was elected what would have been different in regards to our relations with Russia? And if you say she would be tougher on them be specific.

#116 | Posted by fishpaw

Trump has been trying to lift sanctions on russia since the beginning dum dum. You're saying hillary would have done the same?

#122 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-25 02:35 PM | Reply

Ding, ding, ding and we have a winner! That's why we have this investigation.

#118 | Posted by fishpaw at 20

And the VERY RECENT bi-partisan Congressional conclusion it WAS the Russians? What do we do with that?

#123 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-25 02:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Russia hacked the DNC and meddled in the election. Our intelligence services agree that is what happened.#117 | POSTED BY GTBRITISHSKULL AT 2019-10-25 02:32 PM | FLAG:

That's a lie, the DNC's own IT company assumed that, they wouldn't hand over the evidence to a neutral party. Why is that?

#124 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-10-25 02:37 PM | Reply

Ding, ding, ding and we have a winner! That's why we have this investigation.

#118 | Posted by fishpaw

No we have this investigation because if moscow donnie can create a conspiracy theory on how it WASNT russia who attacked our elections, then he can lift sanctions on his boss putin. Everything with trump is about helping putin.

#125 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-25 02:37 PM | Reply

That's a lie

#124 | Posted by fishpaw at 2

No it's not.

The Russians attacked each of our fifty states in 2016.

#126 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-25 02:38 PM | Reply

Here is a question Mr foreign policy, if Hillary was elected what would have been different in regards to our relations with Russia? And if you say she would be tougher on them be specific.

#116 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

Lol... Fishy got "schooled" and is now trying to change the subject to some weird hypothetical.

She would have probably increased sanctions instead of trying to decrease them. She would have worked with our allies to get them to also sanction Russia, instead of pushing our allies away. Our relationship with Russia would have been more rocky because she would have taken a harder line with them, very unlike the pansy approach of conservatives in the White House.

I can pretty much guarantee you she would not have nominated a secretary of state who had a history of making illegal deals with Russia.

#127 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-10-25 02:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

FISHPAW, I owe you a debt. You've come closer than anyone to showing me how a Trumpist thinks.

#128 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-25 02:41 PM | Reply

That's a lie, the DNC's own IT company assumed that, they wouldn't hand over the evidence to a neutral party. Why is that?

#124 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

What neutral party? The FBI who was leaking details about the investigation into Hillary Clinton's emails directly to the Trump campaign (Giuliani)?

Right.

#129 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-10-25 02:43 PM | Reply

"Sorry, that person was wrong."

I believe him, he worked in the field for a long time and he was extremely angry about this investigation. It is not normal, the DOJ is not normal right now, the AG is a coverup artist.

#130 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-25 02:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

FISHPAW, I owe you a debt. You've come closer than anyone to showing me how a Trumpist thinks.

#128 | Posted by Zed

Revealing that trumpist thinking relies on complete ignorance of actual facts and recent history. They really think the mueller report shows that there was nothing going on between trump and putin.

#131 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-25 02:52 PM | Reply

"Barr Targets Trump's Enemies With Sham Investigation of Mueller's Russia Probe"

truthout.org

#132 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-25 02:54 PM | Reply

Finally .....
#5 | Posted by AndreaMackris

Of course you'd support weaponizing DoJ.
That's why you accused the Dems of doing it, so it would justify you're support to have it actually done.
#6 | Posted by jpw

This would actually result in de-weaponizing the DoJ.

Dems weaponized it.

Russian collusion was a weaponized hoax. Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court fraud. Massive unmasking of American citizens to spy via the NSA database. Mueller Special Counsel. Illegally edited Flynn FBI interview notes.

The Democrats and Never Trumpers committed a substantial number of transgressions based on false premises. The heavy handed use of the police state was an insurance policy against Trump winning the Presidency, which would inevitably lead to Trump uncovering massive government corruption, on both sides of the aisle.

Never Trumpers and Democrats alike want to block these investigations.

We can only hope Barr and Durham will really rein in their deep police state. Seems like asking for a bit much.

#133 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-10-25 03:03 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#130

Of course you believe him, and your shared bias' has nothing to do with his misguided opinion or your agreement with it. Even CNN admits that this was expected:

"(CNN)Attorney General William Barr's probe into the intelligence and origins of the 2016 Trump-Russia investigation is now a criminal investigation, according to a person familiar with the matter.

The so-called investigation of the investigators is led by John Durham, a Connecticut-based federal prosecutor, who so far has conducted some interviews but also has run into some obstacles from witnesses who have declined voluntary interviews, CNN reported last week.

The move to make it a criminal inquiry was always anticipated, and it allows Durham to use subpoenas to compel testimony and comes as President Donald Trump faces an onslaught of negative headlines stemming from the House impeachment inquiry into his dealings with Ukraine. It's not clear what, if any, part of the Trump-Russia investigation is a target of Durham's criminal probe."

The New York Times was first to report on the new stage of the investigation."

Investigation into origins of Trump-Russia probe is now a criminal investigation

#134 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-10-25 03:04 PM | Reply

Interesting that this investigation has "has run into some obstacles from witnesses who have declined voluntary interviews" but none of the Hyperpartisans of the DR Left are running in circles screaming "traitors" or "obstruction".

#135 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-10-25 03:08 PM | Reply

Never Trumpers and Democrats alike want to block these investigations.

We can only hope Barr and Durham will really rein in their deep police state. Seems like asking for a bit much.

#133 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

Patriots of any kind want to block the president from using the justice department as his own attack dog to go after his enemies and create conspiracy theory investigations.

Every time you post that russiagate was a hoax you're reminding us how stupid you are. As if we needed a reminder. Thanks for that.

#136 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-25 03:16 PM | Reply

Interesting that this investigation has "has run into some obstacles from witnesses who have declined voluntary interviews" but none of the Hyperpartisans of the DR Left are running in circles screaming "traitors" or "obstruction".

#135 | Posted by Rightocenter

Why is that interesting? Why would any intelligent person risk getting roped into trump's conspiracy creation crimes? It's already been proven that barr is a trump puppet willing to do anything to please him including commit or hide crimes for him. There is no legitimacy to this investigation.

#137 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-25 03:18 PM | Reply

-Why would any intelligent person risk getting roped into trump's conspiracy creation crimes?

You were crying just yesterday because Mike Pompeo wouldn't cooperate with a local reporter on questions about this investigation.

Now you're offering him a defense for it?

#138 | Posted by eberly at 2019-10-25 03:21 PM | Reply

"Patriots of any kind want to block the president from using the justice department as his own attack dog to go after his enemies and create conspiracy theory investigations."

Let's think about that. Who does that? Putin, Ergodan, Duerte, Xi, you know Trump's buddies.

#139 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-25 03:23 PM | Reply

Patriots of any kind want to block the president from using the justice department as his own attack dog to go after his enemies and create conspiracy theory investigations.

#136 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

So, you should favor Barr and Durham's investigation.

Aren't you interested in how Mueller et al. came up so *empty*?

#140 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-10-25 03:26 PM | Reply

Aren't you interested in how Mueller et al. came up so *empty*?

#140 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

I'm interested in if you really think that saying that over and over will make it true.

Tell me your theory on how trump just happened to pick putin's favorite oil exec to run our foreign policy at a time when that exec's company and putin had a massive oil deal ruined by US sanctions.

#141 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-25 03:29 PM | Reply

Mueller knew when he started as Special Counsel in May of 2017 that he had *nothing*.

He certainly knew by November of 2018 that he had *nothing*.

The Mueller Special Counsel interfered with our 2018 midterm elections far more than the *Russians* influenced 2016.

You guyzzzz are frauds.

#142 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-10-25 03:30 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Aren't you interested in how Mueller et al. came up so *empty*?

No.

I'm interested in how so many people are stupid enough to believe what you typed.

Clearly there's an education problem in this country.

#143 | Posted by JOE at 2019-10-25 03:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'm interested in how so many people are stupid enough to believe what you typed.
Clearly there's an education problem in this country.

#143 | Posted by JOE

Whatever you say, LeBron.

#144 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-10-25 03:37 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

"So, you should favor Barr and Durham's investigation."

Barr has refused to enforce subpoenas for Congressional Committees and suppressed as testimony of people with direct knowledge of the contact with the Russians, he has operated more like Trump's personal attorney than as most Attorny Generals have done before him.

#145 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-25 03:37 PM | Reply

Aren't you interested in how Mueller et al. came up so *empty*?

#140 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

I'm interested in if you really think that saying that over and over will make it true.
Tell me your theory on how trump just happened to pick putin's favorite oil exec to run our foreign policy at a time when that exec's company and putin had a massive oil deal ruined by US sanctions.

#141 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

Gosh, Speak. What did Mueller say about Tillerson?

*empty*

#146 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-10-25 03:38 PM | Reply

Mueller knew when he started as Special Counsel in May of 2017 that he had *nothing*.

#142 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

Keep saying it. That'll make it come true. "I believe in fairies! I believe in fairies!"

#147 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-25 03:40 PM | Reply

Gosh, Speak. What did Mueller say about Tillerson?

*empty*

#146 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

Nothing. He wasn't allowed to investigate that. I'm asking for your theory. Just one plausible theory on how trump just happened to pick putin's favorite american oil exec with whom he had a massive deal put on hold by the sanctions as our head of foreign policy.

Dodge away now.

#148 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-25 03:41 PM | Reply

Barr has operated more like Trump's personal attorney than as most Attorney Generals have done before him.
#145 | Posted by danni

Danni, so much of what you guyzzz write here requires you to pretend not to know things that other people know that you know.

Case in point: Eric Holder in April 2013 saying he is Obama's wingman, calling Obama his *boy*:

"Attorney General Eric Holder brushed off a question Thursday about when he might leave the administration. Instead, the top lawman professed his allegiance to President Barack Obama.

I'm still enjoying what I'm doing, there's still work to be done. *I'm still the President's wing-man, so I'm there with my boy*. So we'll see,' Holder said in an interview on the Tom Joyner radio show."

#149 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-10-25 03:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Attorney General Eric Holder brushed off a question Thursday about when he might leave the administration. Instead, the top lawman professed his allegiance to President Barack Obama.

I'm still enjoying what I'm doing, there's still work to be done. *I'm still the President's wing-man, so I'm there with my boy*. So we'll see,' Holder said in an interview on the Tom Joyner radio show."

#149 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

Yeah saying you're someone's wingman is far more incriminating than helping them bury whistleblower reports... if you're a partisan moron.

#150 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-25 03:49 PM | Reply

Gosh, Speak. What did Mueller say about Tillerson?
*empty*
#146 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

Nothing. He wasn't allowed to investigate that. I'm asking for your theory.

#148 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

You just proved my theory.

*empty*

#151 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-10-25 03:49 PM | Reply

Yeah saying you're someone's wingman is far more incriminating than helping them bury whistleblower reports... if you're a partisan moron.

#150 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

Obama arrested whistleblowers.

Holder did more than misspeak.

You guys are *funniest when you lie*.

Thanks for the Friday laughs.

#152 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-10-25 03:50 PM | Reply

Anybody going to discuss the merits of the Barr Durham investigation?

Just a conspiracy?

Best of luck.

#153 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-10-25 03:51 PM | Reply

Why let him off the hook after he has caused 10,000 Ukrainians to be killed in the last 5 years.
#93 | POSTED BY DANNI

That's quite a feat given he's only been president for less than 3 years.
#97 | Posted by JeffJ

Understandably, Danni would like to reassign blame for the last few years of Obama's foreign policy.

#154 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-10-25 03:54 PM | Reply

"Case in point: Eric Holder in April 2013 saying he is Obama's wingman, calling Obama his *boy*:"

When he was subpoenaed he testified before Congress.

"Obama arrested whistleblowers."

You don't think Barr is going to try to do the same thing? That's what this investigation is all about.

#155 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-25 03:54 PM | Reply

Perhaps they can investigate what "..." in the original transcript of the Phone call between Trump and the Ukrainian President. It's in there in several places and the length of the phone call doesn't seem to go along wih the shortness in the fake transcript.

#156 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-25 03:57 PM | Reply

#150

That's funny coming from one of the most hyperpartisan morons on the DR Left.

Eric Holder was held in contempt of Congress, was censured for launching politically motivated investigations against critics of the Obama Administration and openly admitted that he was Obama's de facto personal attorney, and your response is "Meh."

But Barr being accused of similar conduct and your response is "TRAITOR!!!!"

Shreekshypocrisy indeed.

#157 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-10-25 03:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Danni, you just wrote that you've never seen an AG work like that.

But you know Holder worked like that.

I knew you know.

I know you knew.

I know why you lie.

#158 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-10-25 04:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

*Merits*, anyone?

#159 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-10-25 04:01 PM | Reply

When he was subpoenaed he testified before Congress.

Until Holder refused (like Barr), claiming it was a witchhunt (like Barr), was held in Contempt of Congress (like Barr) and was reviled by hyperpartisans (like Barr.)

#160 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-10-25 04:02 PM | Reply

I don't know why anybody would go out of their way to defend Holder. He was a POS ever since he penned the Holder Memo that provided legal justification for not prosecuting Bankers involved in causing the recession.

#161 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2019-10-25 04:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Not before then, Hag?

Good call, though.

#162 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-10-25 04:05 PM | Reply

Trump doesn't hold Putin responsible. What's next? He's responsible for Fusion GPS? You idiots couldn't build a case that would pass airport security

#163 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-10-25 04:09 PM | Reply

You idiots couldn't build a case that would pass airport security
#163 | POSTED BY WISGOD

Did you have to take off your blue gloves to type that?

#164 | Posted by JOE at 2019-10-25 04:11 PM | Reply

Danni thinks the speak the same language. Derp.

#165 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-10-25 04:11 PM | Reply

"That's quite a feat given he's only been president for less than 3 years."

As I said before, he wanted to

#166 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-25 04:13 PM | Reply

Hm.
What language was that?

#167 | Posted by YAV at 2019-10-25 04:13 PM | Reply

Wow JoePW! You'll never be called master of debates. Master of something done in private is more likely

#168 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-10-25 04:14 PM | Reply

You just proved my theory.

*empty*

#151 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

No you just dodged it again. As you'll dodge it each time I ask it because you know the answer and what it reveals about your cult leader.

Why did trump pick rex tillerson as his secretary of state? You haven't been given any talking points about it yet?

#169 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-25 04:14 PM | Reply

Comey handler James Baker reportedly has 'flipped' and is singing.

Posobiec of OAN breaking the report.

So many *merits* to talk about, so much deflection instead.

So it goes.

#170 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-10-25 04:15 PM | Reply

Hm, pig Latin, stupid. Hm?

#171 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-10-25 04:16 PM | Reply

Trump doesn't hold Putin responsible. What's next? He's responsible for Fusion GPS? You idiots couldn't build a case that would pass airport security

#163 | Posted by wisgod

Perhaps you'd like to address it since all dix will do is dodge.

Exxon had a $500 billion dollar deal with putin that got stalled because of the russian sanctions. Then trump gets elected and chooses the head of exxon to run our foreign policy. A guy trump had never met and had no proper experience. Then he and trump immediately begin trying to lift sanctions on russia and would have succeeded if congress hadn't passed the sanctions themselves with a veto proof majority.

Lets hear YOUR theory on how rex tillerson ended up as trump's secretary of state?

#172 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-25 04:16 PM | Reply

Because he wasn't involved in Uranium?

#173 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-10-25 04:18 PM | Reply

As I said before he wanted to eliminate the sanctions since he was campaigning and still does. He and Putin seem to be sort of friendly even as Ukrainians are dying every day. Russsians just teamed up with Turkey on the Syrian border even though Turkey is a NATO ally though I doubt anyone seriously believes they would come to the aid of most other NATO members.

#174 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-25 04:20 PM | Reply

Lets hear YOUR theory on how rex tillerson ended up as trump's secretary of state?

#172 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2019-10-25 04:16 PM

Start your own thread on that subject Shreek if you want your Deflection addressed.

#175 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-10-25 04:21 PM | Reply

You turds are so forgetful of the past. But full of drama and emotions after what Hussein Obama did for Russia and Iran. Smart people would shut up

#176 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-10-25 04:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Yav, are you stupid? You can't figure it out but resort to a childish post because you couldn't wrap your waterhead around it?

#177 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-10-25 04:31 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Start your own thread on that subject Shreek if you want your Deflection addressed.

#175 | Posted by Rightocenter

It's not a deflection. It's a devastating response to anyone who pretends it's a debunked conspiracy theory that trump is working for putin. It makes trumpers run for the hills. And you wont dare touch it either.

#178 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-25 04:33 PM | Reply

For some reason, certain folks want to make this a Rex Tillerson thread.

LOL

#179 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-10-25 04:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

It's interesting that you've predetermined that is what is going on here.

Not all of us need to hit the wall to figure out we're going to crash.

#180 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-25 04:43 PM | Reply

Wow JoePW! You'll never be called master of debates. Master of something done in private is more likely

#168 | POSTED BY WISGOD

Jesus Christ what a dumb, juvenile waste of space.

#181 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-25 04:44 PM | Reply

Hi WisGod!

Stupid?
Aw. Bless your little heart.

I'm not the one in such a hurry to be clever that I'm stepping on my d**k with my posts, creating an opportunity for a bit of levity, only to find out "someone" (that's you, by the way) is a little bit too much of a delicate snowflake to chuckle at their own malformed post.

#182 | Posted by YAV at 2019-10-25 04:45 PM | Reply

It's a devastating response to anyone who pretends it's a debunked conspiracy theory that trump is working for putin.

Which...wait for it...has nothing to do with this thread.

#183 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-10-25 04:54 PM | Reply

Whatever makes you feel superior, Yav. God bless you. It had more polish than JPW can muster but he's a one trick pony when nobody even addresses her.

#184 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-10-25 04:59 PM | Reply

Which...wait for it...has nothing to do with this thread.
#183 | Posted by Rightocenter

Gotta find some deflection that sticks. The whistleblower has 4th hand hearsay. 50 Republican Senators are signed on to the resolution against the Hearsay Impeachment Schiff is running. The Turkey/Kurd thing burned out in a week when Trump's play resulted in a safe Kurdish enclave. Trump v. Vance is going to wind up in the Supreme Court, along with the House subpoena for the Mueller grand jury docs. Baker has flipped on Comey and 'the small group' he once enabled. Page secretly edited the FBI's Flynn interview notes to create a felony from thin air.

So SpeakSoftly spins the wheel and comes up with:

Rex Tillerson.

ROFLMAO

#185 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-10-25 05:02 PM | Reply

I trust AG Barr. JK, I'm not a Trump cultist.

POSTED BY HAMBURGLAR AT 2019-10-25 10:44 AM | REPLY | FLAGGED NEWSWORTHY BY FISHPAW

This is how stupid Fishpaw is.

#186 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-10-25 05:06 PM | Reply

Lets hear YOUR theory on how rex tillerson ended up as trump's secretary of state? - #172 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-25 04:16 PM
How about we don't bite on your obvious and weak deflection?

#187 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-10-25 05:18 PM | Reply

"I think spying did occur."

Attorney General William Barr in Senate testimony April, 2019

Talk amongst yourselves.

#188 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-10-25 05:31 PM | Reply

How in the hell did a discussion of Rex Tillerson make it onto this thread?

#189 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-10-25 05:36 PM | Reply

"You'll have to take my word on that. But let me say, I remember listening to the radio and hearing Chubby Checker's song, "Let's Twist Again" when it first appeared on the radio."
I remember it too. Had older cousins who came to visit when we lived up in Melbourne and they drove their Thunderbird convertible up to Cocoa Beach to see him perform.

#16 | Posted by danni

So surely you remember my current favorite:

Aloha Friday

Another great week of harrassing folks carrying Dem piss buckets is in the books.

You didn't *discuss the merits* of anything this week; don't bother yourself this weekend!

www.youtube.com

#190 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-10-25 05:47 PM | Reply

DoJ Opens Criminal Investigation of its own Russia Inquiry

such a misleading headline. anyway, there is going to be a lot of Dem bloodshed before this is over

#191 | Posted by Maverick at 2019-10-25 05:53 PM | Reply

there is going to be a lot of Dem bloodshed before this is over
#191 | POSTED BY MAVERICK

Hand wringing, "impeachment" leaks and gorilla dust ...

James Baker is now cooperating with Barr-Durham....

Hopefully they go for the "kill shot", whatever Clapper meant by that.

#192 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-10-25 05:59 PM | Reply

For some reason, certain folks want to make this a Rex Tillerson thread.

LOL

#179 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

For some reason, morons still think that trump isn't working for putin. Every time those morons say that, I'm going to ask them how rex tillerson ended up as secretary of state. So get ready to hide from that question on a regular basis.

#193 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-25 06:02 PM | Reply

dems still in their dreamland, wake up nothing there.............again and again and again

#194 | Posted by Maverick at 2019-10-25 06:02 PM | Reply

DoJ Opens Criminal Investigation of its own Russia Inquiry

such a misleading headline. anyway, there is going to be a lot of Dem bloodshed before this is over

#191 | Posted by Maverick

Yeah just like your predictions of how devastating trumps investigation into hillary's email servers would be. How'd that turn out?

(you probably didn't hear it on fox news, but the investigation was concluded with no evidence of wrongdoing)

#195 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-25 06:03 PM | Reply

How about we don't bite on your obvious and weak deflection?

#187 | Posted by Avigdore

It's not a deflection, it's a fact that destroys the argument that trump doesn't work for putin.
If it's so weak, lets hear your theory.

#196 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-25 06:04 PM | Reply

But I trust Schiff. What a bunch of children that should be eating at a separate table

#197 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-10-25 06:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

dems still in their dreamland, wake up nothing there.............again and again and again

#194 | Posted by Maverick

Yeah nothing there...so what did 20 russians get indicted for?

What is that russian troll farm in st petersberg for?

Why is trump's former campaign manager in jail?

And why was rex tillerson chosen as secretary of state?

And when did obstruction of justice stop being a crime?

#198 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-25 06:06 PM | Reply

Speaks is typical of Democrats. Deflect like a mud flap.

#199 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-10-25 06:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Hopefully they go for the "kill shot", whatever Clapper meant by that.

#192 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS AT 2019-10-25 05:59 PM

Clapper hopes to God there is a kill shot because he is in big trouble. alot of Blackberrys have been collected and I'm sure he is implicated in many ways

#200 | Posted by Maverick at 2019-10-25 06:10 PM | Reply

That's over you numbskull! Ukraine is the current reason for your breakdown. Maybe after that, it will be some island in the Great Lakes.

#201 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-10-25 06:11 PM | Reply

speak

really......Russian indictments!!! your smarter than that. I'm not going to even try to explain that one, holy ----

troll farm, read above

"former" key word/ he broke the law, nothing to do with Russia collusion. you know that...or you should

nothing
nothing
nothing

#202 | Posted by Maverick at 2019-10-25 06:14 PM | Reply

Every time those morons say that, I'm going to ask them how rex tillerson ended up as secretary of state. So get ready to hide from that question on a regular basis.

#193 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2019-10-25 06:02 PM

Start a thread on that topic and I am sure that people will be thrilled to set you straight.

#203 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-10-25 06:16 PM | Reply

And when did obstruction of justice stop being a crime?

It never did, I agree with you on this.

Now address the obstruction of justice that witnesses in the Durham probe have been engaging in, which would actually be topical for this thread.

#204 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-10-25 06:17 PM | Reply

So what did 20 russians get indicted for?

Nothing related to Trump....

What is that russian troll farm in st petersberg for?

Nothing related to Trump

And when did obstruction of justice stop being a crime?

It still is, if you got evidence bring to a court of law.

The Left is doing more to undermine the country than some troll farm in StPete.

Let me know if you got anything of substance that Trump actually did that you can bring to a courtroom and use words like "obstruction" in the legal sense.

#205 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-10-25 06:17 PM | Reply

He prefers to ----- up this thread. Typical

#206 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-10-25 06:19 PM | Reply

Speaks is typical of Democrats. Deflect like a mud flap.

#199 | Posted by wisgod

You'll call any evidence that you're wrong a "deflection". All you're saying is you can't refute it.

#207 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-25 06:25 PM | Reply

"former" key word/ he broke the law, nothing to do with Russia collusion. you know that...or you should

#202 | Posted by Maverick

Have you ever asked yourself for one second how it was that manafort ended up as trump's UNPAID campaign manager in the first place?

No. Just like you wont try and come up with a non-corrupt explanation for how rex tillerson ended up as his secretary of state.

#208 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-25 06:26 PM | Reply

It still is, if you got evidence bring to a court of law.

#205 | Posted by AndreaMackris

Can't you read the mueller report? The president CANT be brought to a court of law. The white house is the only thing keeping him out of jail.

#209 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-25 06:27 PM | Reply

"Tillerson"

*drink*

#210 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-10-25 06:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Can't you read the mueller report? The president CANT be brought to a court of law. The white house is the only thing keeping him out of jail.
#209 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

That is not what it said .... you need to brush up on the issues, this was never a concern according to Mueller himself.

Robert Mueller Says It's Up to Congress to Indict a President
www.newyorker.com

Serve it up .... it would be perfectly acceptable for them to do so ... yet you are eating NothingBurgers.

#211 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-10-25 06:36 PM | Reply

LOL. Barack Obama is going to love this interview his former DIA James Clapper just gave to CNN about the Durham probe: "It's frankly disconcerting to be investigated for having done... what we were told to do by the president of the United States."
twitter.com

Obama has to be wondering WTH is going on.....

#212 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-10-25 06:36 PM | Reply

yet you are eating NothingBurgers.
#211 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

With Tillerson sauce on the side.

#213 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-10-25 06:37 PM | Reply

That is not what it said .... you need to brush up on the issues, this was never a concern according to Mueller himself.

#211 | Posted by AndreaMackris

Maybe you should tell mueller that.

www.nbcnews.com

Mueller clarifies comments on whether he could indict Trump
The special counsel's report said he never came to a determination about whether the president should be charged because of DOJ rules.
The former FBI director had said in his report he never reached a decision on whether Trump could or should be charged with obstruction because of the OLC guidance.

#214 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-25 06:48 PM | Reply

"Tillerson"

*drink*

#210 | Posted by Rightocenter

If you drink every time you face a fact you can't refute, you're gonna die before the end of the impeachment.

#215 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-25 06:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Christ. What was this thread about again? I must have missed Rex somehow....

#216 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-10-25 07:05 PM | Reply

Speaks, the game just changed and a federal judge is viewing Mueller's lack of indictment as empowering the House in their impeachment endeavors. And she just obliterated both the DOJ and White House for their whack views on law and impeachment:

U.S. judge orders Mueller grand jury materials released to House Judiciary Committee in impeachment inquiry

Howell said the the DOJ's interpretation of the law was "wrong."

"In carrying out the weighty constitutional duty of determining whether impeachment of the President is warranted, Congress need not redo the nearly two years of effort spent on the Special Counsel's investigation, nor risk being misled by witnesses, who may have provided information to the grand jury and the Special Counsel that varies from what they tell HJC," she said.

In court, the House argued that its Mueller-related investigation was part of an impeachment inquiry. That claim came before Speaker Nancy Pelosi publicly sanctioned the current impeachment push that's focused on the President's recent dealings with Ukraine.

"The White House's stated policy of non-cooperation with the impeachment inquiry weighs heavily in favor of disclosure," she said alluding to the blanket ban the White House Counsel's office recently imposed on administration officials participating with the impeachment probe.

She cited the White House Counsel's letter to argue that claims of accommodation made by DOJ in the case "smack of farce."

"The reality is that DOJ and the White House have been openly stonewalling the House's efforts to get information by subpoena and by agreement, and the White House has flatly stated that the Administration will not cooperate with congressional requests for information," she said.

She also noted that some of the Justice Department's previous arguments doubting the legitimacy of the impeachment inquiry were now moot with Pelosi's public embrace of it.

Howell said that the House's impeachment inquiry clearly fits within the category of "judicial proceedings" within the grand jury secrecy law's list of reasons that grand jury materials may be disclosed.

The Justice Department had argued that the House's impeachment inquiry did not in fact satisfy as a "judicial proceeding" " a claim Howell said Friday "raises constitutional concerns. "

Howell, quoting Mueller's report, noted that DOJ policy barring indictments of sitting President "prompted the Special Counsel to abstain from mak[ing] a traditional prosecutorial judgment' or otherwise draw[ing] ultimate conclusions about the President's conduct.'"

"This leaves the House as the only federal body that can act on allegations of presidential misconduct," she said. "Yet, under DOJ's reading of Rule 6(e), the Executive Branch would be empowered to wall off any evidence of presidential misconduct from the House by placing that evidence before a grand jury."

Howell also dismantled arguments by the Justice Department and the top Judiciary Committee Republican claiming that the impeachment inquiry was illegitimate because it was not opened with a resolution approved by the full house House.

"Even were this statement accurate, which it is not, the manner in which the House has chosen to conduct impeachment inquiries encompasses more than past Presidents and no sound legal or constitutional reason has been presented to distinguish the House's exercise of impeachment authority for a President from the exercise of such authority more generally," Howell said, noting that several impeachment inquiries for judges have been launched without a House vote.

"Even in cases of presidential impeachment, a House resolution has never, in fact, been required to begin an impeachment inquiry," she said.

Barr better hurry, his time is almost up because Trump's time is almost up.

#217 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-10-25 07:10 PM | Reply

--Can't you read the mueller report?

It takes almost as long to read as a Tony Gasbag post. No thanks.

#218 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-10-25 07:13 PM | Reply

Christ. What was this thread about again? I must have missed Rex somehow....

#216 | Posted by wisgod

It's about trump trying to pretend russia didn't support him or meddle in the election and the whole thing was a deep state setup.

It's filled with morons claiming that the entire russiagate thing was just a hoax conspiracy theory.

Rex tillerson's appointment is something that can't be explained if it was just a hoax conspiracy theory, but it's something that makes perfect sense if trump is putin's puppet.

You all caught up now?

#219 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-25 07:13 PM | Reply

It takes almost as long to read as a Tony Gasbag post. No thanks.

#218 | Posted by nullifidian

yeah why read it and be informed when you can remain ignorant and pretend to know what you're talking about?

#220 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-25 07:14 PM | Reply

#219 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

He's especially angry an vitriolic now considering his wife divorced him, took what little he had, and he's admittedly living in a crappy house in a neighborhood surrounded by blacks and Hmongs. Well deserved Karma!!

#221 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-10-25 07:40 PM | Reply

The poetic justice here is that the very DOJ memo that the idiot chorus refuses to admit made it impossible for Mueller to seek any indictments against Trump in his investigation has become the predicate for this ruling that rightly confers that Congress (the House initially) is the only body with the constitutional right to investigate and prosecute the President for impeachment. Ergo, the White House and DOJ cannot claim that the House has no right to do so, or must satisfy their definition of an impeachment inquiry, nor that the White House can decide if or when they want to participate when subpoenaed.

As it appears to read, the White House can no longer ignore subpoenas and document requests without danger of being charged with obstruction. Every defense they floated was torpedoed down by this judge.

#222 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-10-25 07:42 PM | Reply

Every defense they floated was torpedoed down by *this judge*.
#222 | Posted by tonyroma (my asterisks)

Two words is all *this judgement* is worth:

Supreme Court

Best of luck.

#223 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-10-25 07:44 PM | Reply

come up with a non-corrupt explanation for how rex tillerson ended up as his secretary of state.

#208 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

Two words for you, also:

Senate confirmation.

Start a thread.

#224 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-10-25 07:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

PS #221

His idea of hell. Well deserved!

#225 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-10-25 07:52 PM | Reply

Two words for you, also:

Senate confirmation.

Start a thread.

#224 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

Senate didn't choose him. Why did trump choose him, out of everyone in the world? They'd never met. He had no relevant experience. He just HAPPENED to pick the guy who had a half trillion dollar deal with putin to run our foreign policy? Your moronic cult will believe anything.

#226 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-25 07:53 PM | Reply

Look at AmericanUnity thinking he knows about me. Is this typical of the Left? You're making a great case for being the -------- that you've become. Bravo, you cowards. Make it personal you like this douche

#227 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-10-25 07:55 PM | Reply

Look at AmericanUnity thinking he knows about me. Is this typical of the Left? You're making a great case for being the -------- that you've become. Bravo, you cowards. Make it personal you like this douche

#228 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-10-25 07:55 PM | Reply

Surrounded by Blacks and Hmongs wasnt racist, right you ------- coward? You deserve a kick for that ----, old man

#229 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-10-25 08:00 PM | Reply

Tillerson? Trump chose him because of Tillerson's history of business deals with Rosneft and that Tillerson looked like a SOS. In any case, what deal did Tillerson make after he was appointed? None? The point is moot.

#230 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-10-25 08:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Surrounded by Blacks and Hmongs wasnt racist, right you ------- coward? You deserve a kick for that ----, old man

Good bet it was a Clint reference...

#231 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-10-25 08:08 PM | Reply

Good bet I won't forget that.

#232 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-10-25 08:11 PM | Reply

AU has a creepy way of getting personal info.

#233 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-10-25 08:13 PM | Reply

Good bet it was a Clint reference...

#231 | Posted by REDIAL

Ya. Like I typed above his (WISGOD'S) idea of hell. I don't mind any ethnicity. It was him who was complaining he's living in a schittheap among blacks and Hmongs.

He's always been a "GET OFF MY LAWN!!" azshole but without a shred Walt Kowalski's integrity.

#234 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-10-25 08:14 PM | Reply

There will be repercussions. You poked the wrong person -------. Dream about me

#235 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-10-25 08:15 PM | Reply

AU has a creepy way of getting personal info.

#233 | Posted by lee_the_agent

WISGOD shared that here on the Nooner one day.

#236 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-10-25 08:16 PM | Reply

I've got something to share....

#237 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-10-25 08:17 PM | Reply

--AU has a creepy way of getting personal info.

He could be a Chinese asset.

#238 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-10-25 08:20 PM | Reply

Or he could just read what dummies post and remember it.

#239 | Posted by YAV at 2019-10-25 08:20 PM | Reply

Because it was on topic? Go screw yourself.

#240 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-10-25 08:26 PM | Reply

I'm getting a real kick out of WISGOD's flaming nonsense.

I'll never forget how he mocked my sister's death from cancer after someone asked where I'd been, how he hoped she suffered, etc etc etc. Followed nonstop with the most idiotic and vile bullschitt ... for years.

"Repercussions?" He's getting back from life what he's dealt out. It's called "karma." *SMILE*

#241 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-10-25 08:26 PM | Reply

Get a load of the guy with the dead sister talking about karma.

#242 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-10-25 08:34 PM | Reply

Why did trump choose him, out of everyone in the world? They'd never met. He had no relevant experience. He just HAPPENED to pick the guy who had a half trillion dollar deal with putin to run our foreign policy? Your moronic cult will believe anything.

#226 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

Blow Schiff's whistle, why don't you?

The story might last 15 minutes to buy some cover.

#243 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-10-25 08:36 PM | Reply

Tillerson? Trump chose him because of Tillerson's history of business deals with Rosneft and that Tillerson looked like a SOS. In any case, what deal did Tillerson make after he was appointed? None? The point is moot.

#230 | Posted by lee_the_agent

Try again.
Trump tried to remove the sanction and got blocked by congress. He's being trying to remove them ever since.
In fact that's why he's sending bill barr all over the world to dig up a conspiracy theory behind russiagate, so he can let russia off the hook and lift sactions on his puppetmaster putin before he gets impeached.

And Why was business deals with russia the most important qualification for trump's secretary of state? You're kind of making my point for me.

#244 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-25 08:41 PM | Reply

Blow Schiff's whistle, why don't you?

The story might last 15 minutes to buy some cover.

#243 | Posted by DixvilleNotch a

When faced with evidence you can't deny you switch to childish taunts. How revealing.

#245 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-25 08:42 PM | Reply

Jeez, start a new Tillerson thread instead of deflecting this one.

I know it terrifies you to talk about the Durham investigation (which, no matter how hard Tony wishes, isn't going away) but take your mancrush elsewhere.

#246 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-10-25 08:44 PM | Reply

the Durham investigation?

You mean the Barr investigation. William "soon to be disbarred" Barr.

#247 | Posted by YAV at 2019-10-25 08:46 PM | Reply

When faced with evidence you can't deny you switch to childish taunts. How revealing.

#245 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

More revealing is that this is what passes for evidence in your mind:

Why was business deals with russia the most important qualification for trump's secretary of state? You're kind of making my point for me.
#244 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

You, sir or ma'am, are an idiot.

#248 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-10-25 08:48 PM | Reply

Call it what you want, it is only going to get worse for some people now that they have to cooperate.

Oddsmakers are putting Barr getting disbarred just slightly less likely than he and Holder getting arrested for Contempt of Congress.

#249 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-10-25 08:49 PM | Reply

Why was business deals with russia the most important qualification for trump's secretary of state?

Why did Hillary hit the RESET button?

Why did Bill collect $500,000 for the "foundation" before the uranium deal?

Why did Hillary and the DNC hire a firm with Russian ties to make a "Dossier"?

I mean if "making deals" is all you have .... I really don't see the issue, besides, Trump kicked his butt to the curb pretty wuickly what about that? .....

Unlike Obama, that ran what is looking to be a corrupt administration, from Comey, Clapper, Biden and Hillary.

Its not looking good for the "russian agent" screaming snowflakes.

#250 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-10-25 08:57 PM | Reply

#250

Trump's fall must indeed be imminent.

#251 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-25 09:07 PM | Reply

What we have here on the Right must be akin to the thought processes and emotions Custer experienced about ten minutes before parting with his scalp.

#252 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-25 09:10 PM | Reply

#251

Keep polishing those handcuffs...

#253 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-10-25 09:11 PM | Reply

#253

I'm sure Trump's unique genius will save him from the nurse ring savages.

#254 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-25 09:15 PM | Reply

Murdering savages....

#255 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-25 09:16 PM | Reply

But, really....Hysteria is overwhelming the Right. I'm looking forward to how they react to John Bolton.

#256 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-25 09:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Why was business deals with russia the most important qualification for trump's secretary of state? You're kind of making my point for me.
#244 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

You, sir or ma'am, are an idiot.

#248 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

So you post another point you cant refute and call another name. Where's your buddy goatman to tell you what namecalling reveals about the namecaller?

So let's hear it- How did rex end up getting the most important foreign policy job in the country?

#257 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-25 09:20 PM | Reply

I mean if "making deals" is all you have .... I really don't see the issue, besides, Trump kicked his butt to the curb pretty wuickly what about that? .....

Unlike Obama, that ran what is looking to be a corrupt administration, from Comey, Clapper, Biden and Hillary.

Its not looking good for the "russian agent" screaming snowflakes.

#250 | Posted by AndreaMackris

"WHATABOUT THIS TOTALLY INCOMPARABLE COMPARISON?!"

You don't see the issue with choosing the head of exxon to be in charge of foreign policy is, at a time when exxon had a half trillion dollar deal with putin blocked by sactions?

Says a lot about you.

Trump only removed him after he saw he couldn't do any good because congress passed sanctions that trump and rex couldnt lift on their own. They need congress to remove them, which is why bill barr is out there trying to put together a conspiracy theory he can sell to repubs to get putin off the hook for election meddling. If he can do that, then he can lift his daddy putin's sanctions.

#258 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-25 09:24 PM | Reply

#258

START. A. NEW. THREAD.

I will be happy to open a new ------- for you on that thread, not here.

#259 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-10-25 09:26 PM | Reply

Haha - Judge orders all the redactions in the Mueller report gone, all the Grand Jury materials handed over to the legitimate and constitutionally authorized House investigative committees, and cites Trump, the WH, and DOJ's orders to "not comply with the illegal investigation" as one of the reasons that release is mandatory.

Looks like Trump, the WH, and the DOJ are all obstructing a legal, constitutionally authorized investigation.

I can't wait to read tRump's tweet feed this weekend :)

#260 | Posted by YAV at 2019-10-25 09:30 PM | Reply

You don't see the issue with choosing the head of exxon to be in charge of foreign policy is, at a time when exxon had a half trillion dollar deal with putin blocked by sactions?

No ....

Says a lot about you.

Go on ...

Trump only removed him after he saw he couldn't do any good because congress passed sanctions that trump and rex couldnt lift on their own.

Well if he was a Russian "agent" you'd think Tillerson would stick around

And do what Obama did ship; it without congress knowing?

Obama Administration Sidestepped Sanctions to Give Iran Access to Dollars
www.rollcall.com

I mean come on ..... you think those Nazi's couldn't figure out what the holier than thou Obama did?

Say alot about you....

Keep swinging

#261 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-10-25 09:34 PM | Reply

#260 | POSTED BY YAV

This is known for hours now Yav .. keep up...

#262 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-10-25 09:35 PM | Reply

More details are coming out, Mackris. That must really burn you to call that out.

Iran? How many hours ago was that?

#263 | Posted by YAV at 2019-10-25 09:40 PM | Reply

As was stated on a cable news program earlier tonight, during the 2016 election cycle, there were TWO FBI investigations under way, one looking into Hillary's email issues, and one looking into the possible links between the Trump campaign and Russia. Now which one do think actually had an impact on the election? Well considering that the public did not know anything about the Trump/Russia investigation until well after the election, that one could not have had any impact whatsoever. No, it was the Hillary email investigation that was known and hyped by Trump and the media, on both sides, that probably turned the tide. But now, Trump wants to ferret out the traitors, which he's implied on more than one occasion may go all the way up to the Obama White House, if not into the Oval Office itself, who tried to torpedo his presidential election. Now if there really had been a conspiracy to undermine Trump's election, they didn't do a very good job, now did they. After all, if there were people who really wanted to hurt Trump's chances of being elected they would have at least leaked the news that THERE WAS AN INVESTIGATION UNDERWAY. But of course, we never heard anything like that because there were no leaks.

This DOJ effort has one purpose and one purpose only, Trump wants to scare the hell out of anyone who might want to oppose him. If he avoids being impeached and/or convicted in the Senate, what's to stop him from opening a DOJ investigation into the impeachment process? And if he wins reelection, he would have four years to root-out the 'traitors' behind the impeachment effort.

OCU

#264 | Posted by OCUser at 2019-10-25 09:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#264 - so worth saying again.

#265 | Posted by YAV at 2019-10-25 10:05 PM | Reply

That is not what it said .... you need to brush up on the issues, this was never a concern according to Mueller himself.

There's a two page explanation of the Constitutional and policy hurdles to charging, indicting or even issuing a sealed indictment against a sitting POTUS.

You sure you read the right document?

#266 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-25 10:19 PM | Reply

I'm waiting to hear that AG Barr has flown off to Hawaii to follow-up on Trump's and Sheriff Joe Arpio's 'investigators' who heretofore have not yet uncovered Obama's fake birth certificate. After all, if Trump really wants to go back to the very beginning of when this conspiracy against him was launched, I would assume that he would want to start with that false birth announcement that Obama's parents phoned-in from Kenya to the Honolulu Star Bulletin, so as the assure themselves that their son would someday be in a position where he could attempt to undermine the future election of one Donald J. Trump, who at that moment was attending the New York Military Academy.

OCU

#267 | Posted by OCUser at 2019-10-26 01:21 AM | Reply

START. A. NEW. THREAD.

I will be happy to open a new ------- for you on that thread, not here.

#259 | Posted by Rightocenter

No you wont. A WHY DID TRUMP HIRE TILLERSON thread would get as many trump supporters as a PETA meeting.

#268 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-26 01:37 PM | Reply

Well if he was a Russian "agent" you'd think Tillerson would stick around

#261 | Posted by AndreaMackris

Tillerson wasn't a russian agent. Tillerson was a capitalist brought in to prioritize lifting sanctions on russia because he had a profit motive to do so. Once congress passed sanctions that tillerson couldnt lift, there was no longer any point for him to be there.

#269 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-26 01:40 PM | Reply

Iran agreed to and obeyed the terms of the Iran nuclear deal, that was agreed to induce them to do so. Then stupid TRump came along and canceled the deal, sold out the Kurds and now no one believes any commitment by the U.S. means anything. Trump has destroyed American credibility more than any President in my lifetime which is actually quite a long time.

#270 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-26 01:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Unlike Obama, that ran what is looking to be a corrupt administration, from Comey, Clapper, Biden and Hillary."

When you don't have a point make s**t up. It totally works for righties because they eat up the lies from the right 24/7.

#271 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-26 01:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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